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A36251	Reflexions on a pamphlet entitled, Remarks on the occasional paper, numb. VIII relating to the controversy betwixt Dr. Hody and Mr. Dodwell and on another entitl'd A defence of the vindication of the depriv'd bishops, some time since seiz'd and suppress'd by the Government, and now reprinted : with an answer to a third call'd historical collections concerning church affairs.	Dodwell, Henry, 1641-1711.; Hody, Humphrey, 1659-1707.	1698 (1698)	Wing D1816; ESTC R9160	29,610	34

Church that Bishops may be depriv'd by the Lay-power for Political Crimes or not we are not obliged to know 'T is enough for us that we know that this at least was the Doctrine of the Church and we know it from it's constant and uniform Practice throughout all Ages That when once they are depriv'd tho' never so unjustly and we cannot avoid it it is lawful for peace-sake to own the Possessor Dr Hody may publish if he please his Vindication of the Authority of the Civil Power for the sake and satisfaction of those who concur'd in the Deprivation of the Bishops But we of the lower Form who were not at all concern'd in the matter we want no such Treatise to justifie our Practice Our Practice is sufficiently justified by what he has already written I will read it if it comes out as a matter of Speculation If it can have any influence on my Practice it will be only to vindicate those by whom the Bishops were depriv'd against the Ragingness of such as discharge their Choler in so liberal a manner against them which always turns back on themselves I ought not here to omit that that Book which I mentioned above called Historical Collections c. was design'd as a part of an Answer to The Case of Sees Vacant It s business is to shew that the Catholicks of the fourth Age who refused to Communicate with Felix Bishop of Rome who was put into the place of Liberius and with Gregory and George of Alexandria who were substituted in the place of St. Athanasius and with Meletius of Antioch who succeeded Eustathius did not refuse to acknowledge them on the account of Heresie but because their Predecessors had been Unjustly and Vncanonically thrust out And how is this prov'd Why they tell us that the Catholicks of that Age did not look upon the Eusebians as Hereticks but continued to Communicate with them till after the Deprivation of St Athanasius c. and therefore when after that they refused to Communicate with them it must be upon the account of the Uncanonical Deprivations and Successions I shall not wander after the foul-mouth'd and raving Collector in his long wild Maze of Impertinencies but shall give a full Answer to the whole in half as many Words as he has trifled away Pages The Eusebians of that Age who are commonly called Semi-arians were by some of the Orthodox accounted more tollerable by others downright Arians and Hereticks though they sometimes pretended to imbrace the Nicene Faith Sometimes the same Catholicks entertained a favourable Opinion of them at other times according as their Heresie shewed it self more visibly in their Practice they declined their Communion This was generally the case after the Persecution and Expulsion of St Athanasius 1. Athanasius himself calls the Eusebians his Persecutors every where Arians and Hereticks So does the Synodical Epistle of the Bishops of Egypt Lybia and Pentapolis and that of the Council of Sardica not to mention the Writers of the following Ages The Collector was aware that the Eusebians have every where the Title of Arians and therefore he tells you that the Arianism of the Eusebians was generally interpreted to amount to no more than their receiving a false succession of Bishops On this the main hinge of his whole Book turns The Margent will shew him to have been extreamly careless in his Reading and that they were therefore call'd Arians because they were believed to have embraced the Heresie and Opinions of Arius Athanasius in one place has these words The Eusebians seeing their Heresie going down wrote to Rome and to the Emperors Constantine and Constans against Athanasius but the Legates which were sent by Athanasius confuted their Lies and they were rejected with shame by the Emperours Thus he makes them to be Hereticks even before he was deposed 2. Gregory who was put into his place when he was first expell'd is well known to have been a notorious Heretick So he himself witnesses of him as does also St. Hilary The Council of Sardica declares him no Bishop and forbids the Catholicks to give him that Title and to have any manner of Communication with him and that partly for his other enormous Crimes but principally because he and his Party promoted the Arian Heresie against the right Faith And this is the Reason they give for their restoring Athanasius and the rest that were ejected by the Eusebians Athanasius observes that that Council were so far from calling him a Bishop that they did not think he was worthy the name of a Christian. 3. George of Laodicea who was constituted his Successor upon his second Expulsion had been formerly degraded from his Orders as an Arian by Alexander Bishop of Alexandria and had afterwards been deposed from his Bishoprick of Laodicea and again d●graded by the Sardican Council as an Arian for dividing the Father from the Son in the Holy Trinity and adulterating the Word of Truth and is every where branded as an Arch-Heretick Lucifer Calaritanus tells us that the Catholicks were so cruelly persecuted by the Emperor Constantius for what reason was it because they refused to own a Bishop who was put into the place of another Uncanonically depriv'd No 't was because they would not comply with George's Blasphemy And P. Iulius tells us concerning the former Persecution that it was brought upon the Orthodox for no other reason but because they would not Communicate with Gregory and his ARIANS Ruffinus tells us that the Reason why the Catholicks chose rather to suffer banishment than to subscribe to Athanasius's Deprivation was because they believed that through him the Catholick Faith was struck at 4. That Meletius of Antioch and P. Felix of Rome who were put into the places of Eustathius and Liberius were by some accounted Hereticks Dr Hody has already shewn And this was the Reason why they were by some rejected The Collector spends two or three pages to prove against the Dr that Liberius being depriv'd did not give up his Right and submit to Felix as Bishop of Rome Where for God's sake does the Doctor say he did On the contrary this makes directly for the Doctor 's Cause that though there was no Cession yet they that knew Felix to be Orthodox very freely recognized him But why was Liberius himself after he had subscribed to Athanasius's Condemnation looked upon by the Catholicks with so ill an eye Was it not for this because he had complied with a wrong Succession So the Collector says But 't is full as false as any thing is true The subscribing to Athanesius's Condemnation was look'd upon by many to be a Revolting to the Arian Heresie and besides it is certain that the Arians themselves boasted that Liberius had subscribed to their Doctrine So S●zo●en expresly tells us And St. Ierom himself affirms that he actually did so And this

was the Reason why after he was restored and Felix rejected some would not acknowledge him but continued to adhere to Felix whom they knew to be truly Orthodox When Hosius of Corduba was pushed on through the violence of the times to Communicate with the Hereticks Valens and Ursacius what was the Reason that he never could be brought to subscribe to Athanasius's Condemnation Was it not because he accounted even Heresie it self a less fault than to comply with a wrong Succession No such matter If Hosius still stood firm in that Point it was because to subscribe to Athanasius's Condemnation was to own his belief of those Crimes for which he was depos'd which he could not do being in his Conscience so extreamly satisfied that he was not guilty He could not find in his heart to be guilty of so great a Lie and of so great Injustice to the injur'd Athanasius And so we are told by Athanasius himself that the Reason why the Catholick Bishops chose rather to suffer so cruel a Persecution than to set their Hands to his Deprivation was because they saw plainly that the Crimes with which he was charg'd were only the Forgeries of his Enemies Thus Flavianus and Elias the Patriarchs of Antioch and Ierusalem though● they own'd Timotheus as Patriarch of C P. yet they never could be perswaded to subscribe to the Deprivation of his Predecessor Macedonius because that would have been to own a belief of the Crimes that were laid to his charge and of the Iustice of his Enemies Proceedings I shall here inform the Collector that it appears by the Testimony of St. Hilary himself who suffered in the Cause of Athanasius that the Catholick Bishops offered to subscribe to his Deprivation if his Adversaries would but subscribe to the Doctrine of the Council of Nice And the same is likewise attested by Sulpitius Severus If his Adversaries would have done this the Catholicks would then have been convinced that the Crimes which they laid to his charge were not forged against him for the advance of the Arian Heresie but might possibly be true This they could not perswade themselves as long as they plainly saw that his Deposers were Enemies to the Orthodox Faith The Schism of the Meletians and the Paulinists of Antioch which the Collector so tediously insists on that was likewise founded in Heresie and makes not a whit for their Cause The Paulinists accounted Meletius and his Successors Arians or disown'd at least the validity of their Orders The Meletians on the other side accounted Paulinus a Sabellian and he was not put upon them by any Sovereign Coercive Power which the Collector cannot be made to take notice of but by Lucifer Calaritanus who had no Authority over them Dr Hody had asked what Authority he had to Constitute a Bishop of Antioch The Collector here takes him up and shews him in a Digression of several Pages if any thing may be call'd a Digression in that Book that where Heresie is concern'd a Catholick Bishop has Authority any where Very pertinently done As if the Dr could be ignorant of what every Body so well knows But how could Lucifer's Authority oblige those that accounted Meletius Orthodox to reject him for another What power irresistible had he to put a new Bishop upon them That which chiefly continued that unhappy Division was the Opinion which Lucifer had instill'd into his Party that the Orders of the other side were null as being Arian To conclude I have already challenged Mr Dodwel and the whole Party and in this I am only a Second to the Dr to produce me any ONE single Instance of a Bishop disown'd by the generality of the Catholick Church for this Reason because put into the place of another deposed by the Civil Power The generality is the only thing that can be of any Authority But I 'll now for a Trial of skill be so bold as to give one challenge more Instead of the generality in the fourth Age I challenge the Collector who takes himself to be so much a Master of the Story of that Age to shew me any one single Person throughout all that Age that actually stood out on that account There is not to be found and I am not afraid to affirm it so much as one single Person among all the Catholicks of that Age who actually refused to own any Bishop that was put in by an irresistible Power but it was for one of these Reasons either because he accounted him a Heretick or because he look'd upon his Orders to be null and invalid as being deriv'd either immediately or mediately from one whom he accounted a Heretick or because the Bishop communicated with Hereticks or lastly because he was for some other Crime Excommunicated The Donatists themselves can afford the Collector no Example For the Reason why they disown'd the Catholick Bishops who were back'd by the Imperial Power was because they accounted their Orders and their Baptism invalid as being deriv'd from such whom they believed to have been Traditors This Rule being observ'd you have a full and a clear Answer to all that Long and Verbose Collection More Labour and more Words to less purpose in my Life I never saw But it 's usual with Men of that size for the cleanlier conveyance of their Tricks and Shuffles to stare their Readers with Confidence in the Face and to overwhelm them with a long run of Words With this I leave the Matter the Collector and all together For the sake of some Reverend and Worthy Persons who are unhappily engaged in the present Division for whom I must avow I have all along had and shall always have a very great and distinguishing Respect I shall here lay down an Example that relates to our own Country which to Men of good Tempers may be of good use When Wlketulus the worthy Abbot of Croyland in the time of Will the Conquerour was unjustly depriv'd of his Abbey Ingulphus the Historian being nominated to it without any scruple accepted of it tho' he own'd his Predecessor to have been wrongfully dispossessed Wlketulus being a very pious and good Man and skilful in the Affairs of the Monastery Ingulphus invites him to come and live with him placed him always in his own Stall and honoured him as his Father and Copartner in the Government Thus the good old Abbot lived lovingly and contentedly with his Successor to his death and was very useful to the Monastery I have only a word or two more to add and that is to put you in mind that when-ever you meet with any thing that may be published as an Answer to The Case of Sees Vacant the Dr desires you would be pleased to Read both together If you think he is at leisure or of an inclination to Answer every little thing and especially of their Vnderworkmen that shall be published against him you will find your self mistaken The Phaenomena of History