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B20526	The font-guard routed, or, A brief answer to a book written by Thomas Hall superscribed with this title, The font guarded with 20 arguments therein endeavouring to prove the lawfulness of infant baptism wherein his arguments are examined and being weighed in the ballance of the sanctuary are found too light : the most considerble of Mr. Baxters arguments for infant-baptism being produced by Tho. Hall are here answered likewise / written by Tho. Collier ; to which is added A word of reply to Tho. Halls word to Collier and another to John Feriby's [ap]pendix called The pulpit-guard relieved ; with An answer to Richard Sanders's pretended Balm to heal religious wounds, in answer to The pulpit-guard routed : with an humble representation of some few proposals to the honorable committee appointed by the Parliament for propagation of the Gospel.	Collier, Thomas, fl. 1691.	1652 (1652)	Wing C5285; ESTC R5188	90,512	112

and errours the rest of them Inventions falslely charged by him 1. That Infant-Baptism came from the Pope and the Devil The truth of this assertion I refer the Reader to what I have said before and there you will see the Pope very probably that brought it in Higinus in the second Century 150 years after Christ 2. That Christ hath abolished the Law that is as to Believers as a dispensation in the hands of Moses see 2 Cor. 3. 11. 13. And the pure Gospel is the only Rule What son of Belial dare to deny this for the Law is brought forth in Gospel and as given forth by Christ is the pure Gospel Rule therefore though the substance of the old Command yet is called new because given forth upon the new and true account 1 Ioh. 2. 7. 8. 3. A Socinian his Tenet is that all gifted persons may preach without Ordination This is according to the truth of Scripture 1 Cor. 4. 31. 34. Where all that have gifts may prophesie none exempted except women 4. He is a Familist approving of dreams c. Answ That is false I do not approve them yet neither do I altogether deny but God may manifest himself in that way if he please not that it is my experience neither would I limit God Against Vniversities Arts Sciences not in themselves upon the humane account but as they are set up in the room of the Spirit of Christ so the wisdom of the world is foolishness with God 5. He is an Antiscripturist denying the truth of Scripture c. Answ Another most abominable falshood who will be the lyar anon Thomas Hall but you prove it learnedly 1. Because I approve of such who will not permit you to draw any consequences from Scripture because you have so much abused them with your consequences 2. Because minding some of your consequences I conclude that they are as true as Scripture if the people would but believe it You infer then that these consequences must be true or the Scripture is false I say and I supposed that you had had wit enough to understand that I spake in your language or in your sence that you account these consequences as true as Scripture if the people would believe you 3. He saith that in his general Epistle to the Saints chap. 10. p. 28. the Scripure is not sufficient to teach the knowledge of God I Query of any one who knows the Lord whether the Scripture without the Spirit of Christ doth or can teach any one true and saving knowledge and that some make too much of it that is such as Thomas Hall who think it able without the Spirit of Christ to teach the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and if you could have told all you might have seen and said that I say there likewise that many make too little of it and that the substance of my Discourse there is to hold forth the truth and authority of the Scripture in the light of the Spirit that so souls by the teaching of the Spirit of Christ may come to a right understanding of them and that indeed its your selves that truly teach people to deny Scripture I own the truth of it and say that whoever denieth it must deny God Christ and all Religion and the truth is that your self it is that disowns it and reproacheth it too further then it stands with your own will 6. You say He is an Arian and Anti-Trinitarian denyes the Father Son and Holy Ghost are three distinct persons c. Answ I deny not the Trinity Father Son and Spirit but I deny any person in the Godhead at all that is a word or title given only to man and the Scripture you mention Heb. 1. 3. I am not altogether so ignorant of it as you would have me it is substance and not Person and this you know and abuse it not ignorantly but wilfully The same word Heb. 11. 1. is rendred substance 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 faith is the substance of things hoped for not the Person that would be nonsense you must produce some Scripture where that Prosopon which signifieth Person is attributed to God or that Hypostasis is attributed to man before you can have any colour to call God three Persons or one either for he is a Spirit and will be worshipped in Spirit and Truth 7. He is an Anti-Sabbatarian he is all for a Spiritual Sabbath Answ Because I write of a spiritual Sabbath doth it therefore follow that I am an Anti-Sabbatarian have you ever seen any thing written by me against the Sabbath have you not cause to blush at your weakness or wickedness because I discover the spiritual Sabbath therfore you say I am against the Sabbath 8. An Independent as to man and creatures in the things of God but only on Jesus Christ and is this such a dangerous thing to be off from every thing save Jesus Christ 9. Arigid Separatist Answ Never too rigid in separating from Babylons false ways and worships which is no other then the Synagogue of Satan a Cage of every unclean and hatefull Bird I say it again for all your anger I must be faithfull I may not pittie or spare you for that will ruine you 10. A Perfectist see his Generall Epist to the Saints ch 15. p. 52. Answ No other then is the duty of every Saint to be that is pressing after perfection I there declare that perfection is not attainable in this life till the body of flesh is dissolved nor till the Resurrection neither I say no more of this but refer the Reader to the Epistle it self where you may see how the Hall hath stored up lyes to reproach the innocent 11. He is an enemy to all Learning he oft calls it the language of the beast c. Answ Keep it in its place and do as much good as you can with it but let it once get in the room of the Spirit then it puffs up with pride then it s but the language of the Beast of the fleshly man the smoak of the bottomless pit of mans wisdom and that which must be destroyed That the Spirit and Scriptures are sufficient for the Ministers calling c. At this you seem to rage extreamly as if this were such a dangerous Heresie that deserves no less then a stake a faggot and a fire could Tho Hall have his will let the Understanding judge I am sure I have heard one of your brethren more famous then ever your self in the eyes of the people assert this that the Scripture was sufficient for the Ministers calling c. who left out the Spirit of Christ but it seems your abilities depend upon your good old books Popish Fathers c. 12. He is against Magistrates Answ No such thing only my desire is that Magistrates should not rule where its alone Christs Prerogative I desire to give to Caesar that which is his and to God that which is his 13. Against Ministry Ans

THE Font-Guard Routed OR A brief ANSWER to a Book written by Thomas Hall superscribed with this Title The Font Guarded with 20. Arguments Therein endeavouring to prove the lawfulness of Infant-Baptism WHEREIN His Arguments are examined and being weighed in the ballance of the Sanctuary are found too light The most considerable of Mr. Baxters Arguments for Infant-Baptism being produced by Tho. Hall are here answered likewise To which is added A Word of Reply to Tho. Halls Word to Collier And another to John Feriby's Appendix called The Pulpit-Guard Relieved With an Answer to Richard Sanders's pretended Balm to heal Religious wounds in answer to the Pulpit-Guard Routed With an humble Representation of some few Proposals to the Honorable Committee appointed by the Parliament for Propagation of the Gospel Written by Tho. Collier If ye love me keep my commandments Joh. 14. 15. If ye continue in my word then are ye my Disciples indeed Joh. 8. 31. LONDON Printed for the Author and are to be sold by Giles Calvert at the Black Spread Eagle neer the West-end of Pauls 1652. Some few Proposals to the Honorable Committee for Propagation of the Gospel Honoured Sirs GOD having been pleased to bring us forth in such an Age of the world wherein we have seen through mercy not only his work of power in dethroning of unrighteous men but likewise in a measure the arising of the Son of Righteousness with healing in his wings and I trust to take to himself his great Kingdom and to reign The business committed to you by and next to the Supreme Authority of the Nation being of very great concernment and indeed that which relates to him who is the most Supreme He who is Lord of Lords and King of Kings Notwithstanding I find there have been many Proposals unto your Honours it might be altogether needless for such a one as I to propose any thing unto your Wisdoms yet not doubting your willingness to hear what the weakest may propound in this great business though by it nothing be added to you I providentially and occasionally coming to this City could not with good conscience depart from hence without presenting something unto your Honours as to the thing in hand If in it to you or any others I do appear a fool let me be excused I have performed in this my duty both to my Lord and you My desire is that the former presidents of miscarriages in changing times may be a warning unto us viz. The plucking up of one Form and planting of another by the Magisterial power Every plant that the Heavenly Father hath not planted must be plucked up My desire is not to be tedious but in a word out of tenderness to the honour of the Lord Jesus and the Authority of the Nation that there may be given to GOD those things that are his and to Caesar those things that are his have I humbly presented these following Proposals unto your Honours 1. Whether or no Jesus Christ be not the alone Spiritual King in and over all Cases of Conscience relating to Worship Psal 2. Rev. 15. 3 4. Act. 3. 22 23. Mat. 28. 18. 2. Whether he hath surrendred up any part of this Authority to any Civil Magistrate under the Gospel Jam. 4. 11 12. Rom. 14. 4. 3. Whether because the Jewish Magistracie according to the command of God took cognisance of such things they with all the rest of their Ordinances being typical in their anointing power and rule c. it being all swallowed up into Christ the substance he being the alone King of his people be any ground for Magistrates now to do the like 4. Whether to do the like be not to deny Christ to be come in the flesh and to deny his Kingly Authority 5. Whether the work of the Magistrate as a Magistrate do not primely relate to the bodies of men and things of this world that so they may be for the praise of them that do well and for the punishment of evil doers Rom. 13. 6. Whether it be not the work whereunto God hath called them to protect all that live peaceably and civilly in obedience to the Civil Law of the Nation and to encourage and protect the Servants of the Lord alike in the Preaching and professing the Gospel though differing in their apprehensions leaving the judgment of Cases of Conscience unto Christ as before 7. VVhether a State-maintenance for the Ministery of Christ be agreeable to any Rule in the Gospel 8. VVhether it hath not been and is a way to make men rather State-Ministers then Christs Ministers 9. VVhether this hath not proved dishonorable to Iesus Christ and the Truth having drawn so many into the worldly Ministery for love of gain 10. VVhether it be not the duty of the Magistrate to permit the Jews whose Conversion is promised and we pretend to expect it to live peaceably amongst us FINIS The Epistle to the Reader Reader I Having so suddenly and almost unexpectedly brought forth this Treatise to publique view Plainness and brevity thou mayst find in it though but little of that excellencie which mans wisdom teacheth yet something of the truth of Jesus mayst thou find there in the plain evidence of the Spirit and power of truth And whereas thou seest many differences in the world about the worship of God it behoves thee so much the more to querie after it for it is the duty of those who have an interest in Christ to do his will If ye love me saith Christ keep my commandments Joh. 14. 15. and that is the way to attain an increase in the knowledge of the will of God viz. a doing of what we know Joh. 7 17. I have here presented to thy view several Replies unto several Men and Things First to the Font-guarded wherein you have gathered up all the Arguments of former Writers especially Mr. Baxters and drawn into 20 Arguments To all which I have given a brief Reply and although brief yet I question not but with such plainness and clearness as that he that runs may read and in it through mercy thou mayst come to see the clear difference between Moses and Christ the Covenant of the Law and the Covenant of the Gospel the ordinances ministry and worships of the one and of the other and because God hath made me publike in the profession of his truth I judge my self bound in conscience and duty to Jesus Christ to vindicate that truth I profess every command and truth of Jesus being to a lover of the truth more precious then that of gold and although hither unto I have and may still expect to pass through many reproaches for the sake of Christ through good and bad report yet I weigh it not none of these things trouble me it was the portion of Christ himself and if they called the master of the house Beelzebub what will they not do to the servant I trust that notwithstanding the rudeness and rage of those

of God but from their receiving their prophesie immediatly from God discovering things to come Whereas you say They were not called Prophets in the old Testament from the matter of their prophesie but for the manner of receiving it 1. I answer it was from both matter and manner too 2. If what you say be truth see a clear difference those 1 Cor. 14. are called Prophets not so much from the manner as the matter He that prophesieth speaketh to edification exhortation and consolation as if he should say if you would know a Prophet it is such a one as speaks to edification c. and whosoever speaks not to edification c. is no Prophet for the Apostle doth not only direct them in the manner of prophesie but in the matter too it s a word to edification and truly you either miserably contradict your selves or else do of purpose to keep souls in the dark for Thomas Hall whom you pretend to vindicate applyeth that Scripture 1 Cor. 14. 32. The spirits of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets viz. to the probation and examination of the Presbyterie and he hath no other Scripture to prove the Presbyterian examination and probation but that yet afterwards both with him and you that prophesie is extraordinary and yet you confess that Presbyterie was an ordinary office what contradictions are these and what will you not say for your own ends You seem much to harp upon one thing and that of little consequence to the thing in hand That the extraordinary way of Revelation did denominate their sayings to be prophesies and not their foretelling things to come I say that not only that but the matter of the prophesie as well as the manner as a blind man might see or understand for if any prophesie and the matter of the prophesie proved not true he was no true Prophet therefore that the people might know a true Prophet under the Law they were to look at the matter of the prophesie not the manner of receiving it Isa 23. 26. How long shall this be in the heart of the Prophets to prophesie lies ver 28. The Prophet that hath a dream let him tell a dream and he that hath my word let him speak my word faithfully c. So that it was the faithful and true speaking of the word from whence they had the denomination of Prophet and this in substance you confess page 101. contradicting what you say p. 100. It was the extraordinary way of Revelation here it s the manifestation of their prophesie because they manifested to others by divine inspiration things past present and to come So that now you confess its the manifestation by revelation of truth that made them Prophets not the ordinary way of speaking to edification c. mentioned 1 Cor. 14. 3. As to all you say to Rev. 19 10. page 103. I may truly retort your own words I am afraid the devil hath taught you to play the Sophister for when the Text saith The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesie you say immediatly and extraordinarily inspired Doth the Text say so or is it your own invention I leave to the Reader to judge And as for your distinction from Chap. 1. ver 2. The word of God and the Testimony of Jesus it s one and the same in substance or at most the Testimony of Jesus is but an explanation of the word of God He was banished for the word of God even for the Testimony of Jesus so the Greek word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 must of necessity sometimes be understood As Col. 2. 2. the Apostle manifesting his earnest desire for the Saints that they might come to the Knowledge of God and of the Father c. which must be rendred even of the Father a word rather to explain the former then distinguish c. So that John doth not so distinguish as if he had been more excellent then the rest of the Apostles in the testimony of Jesus c. but for that it was he was banished and the truth is that the Testimony of Jesus though not so eminent as the Apostles yet if by the same spirit according to the rule of truth and according to the measure received it is the spirit of prophesie As for what you say to that Scripture 1 Cor. 14. 37. Every spiritual man is a Prophet All the Saints are spiritual Therefore all Prophets What you with so much contempt say to this doth but discover of what spirit you are and you might know that when I say the Saints are not all Prophets page 21. I intended that they had not all the same gift of prophesie to speak to the edifying of the Church and upon that account they are not all Prophets Yet secondly they are all Prophets upon a common account and are able to speak something of God and Christ as occasion is offered this God promised and hath made good that he would pour out of his Spirit upon all flesh c. So that the truth holds clear That every spiritual man is a Prophet and that according to the measure of the gift so he may and ought to speak though all are not Prophets viz. able to speak in the Church to edification exhortation and consolation yet all are Prophets and may speak occasionally to edification though not in the Church Some of the grounds you pretend to answer As that these Prophets were such as needed direction from the Apostles c. therefore not extraordinary You pretend to answer this first Because there were extraordinary tongues and the Apostle directs them and why not direct extraordinary Prophets too Answ 1. If by ordinary and extraordinary you mean the one common to all the other more then ordinary so not common to all that I alwayes have granted and shall as in the case of prophesying So of tongues All have the Spirit of Christ that is ordinary to all If any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his Rom. 8. 9. yet all have not the gift of prophesie to speak in the Church as before So in those tongues there was that speech of the things of God that was ordinary to all and that of tongues which was proper to but some as Prophesie yet not so extraordinary as to be either 1. infallible therefore needed direction or 2. passing for the Apostle spake with tongues more then they all And secondly that this of tongues was not such an extraordinary business as you pretend is clear and that first from the Apostles disswading them from it as you may see at large in the Chapter and that from the unprofitableness of it both to the Church and to the world too ver 2 3. and 23 24. 2. He saith ver 5. Greater is he that prophesieth then he that speaketh with tongues and the reason is rendred because he that prophesieth edifieth the Church c. You say there is yet one reason more page 87. Praying