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A89845	A publike discovery, of the open blindness of Babels builders, and their confused language, who have been building without, till they deny faith, knowledge and the Gospel light within, the law of the new covenant, and matter of the new creature. Plainly laid open in an answer to a book intituled A publike discovery of a secret deceipt, subscribed John Deacon, in behalf of some who pretend a call to the ministry. Wherein their first queries their replyes; their answers to my queries, and their last queries is answered, and their whole work laid open, and the end thereof with queries sent back, by them to be answered, that their boasting spirit may be farther revealed, & its blindness. Here is also some of their confusions taken out of the heap, and set by themselves to be seen, how they will stand in the eye of truth, where but the least measure of God is known. / By an enemy to deceit, but a friend to the creation, called James Naylor.	Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1656 (1656)	Wing N305; Thomason E870_2; ESTC R204793	29,385	50

God 1 Thes 1. 1. Such onely are out of Babylon who are gathered out of the world by the spiritual light of Christ and there hath it been ever since his Passion and he hath never been without though but in a small number which he hath saved which the world hated and scornfully miscalled and into prisons and corners have they been driven all this time of the man of Sin and his Papal Priesthood but now he is come who is spreading his truth and multiplying his seed as a cloud to the Egyptians wherefore the Heathen rage exceedingly But it seems by thy Quere that thou ownest the Church all along since the Apostles to have been in the multitude of the Popish Priests rather then in the Martyrs seeing thou speakest so scornfully of a small number to be the Church of Christ who are so contemptible which the Church ever was and so it is at this day Luk. 12. 32. Mat. 7. 14. Mat. 20. 16. Reply answered In this you say you believe I speak truth and that I tell you here nothing but what you knew before and yet you murmure at it and cast your lyes upon it saying that we grant our selves to be none of Christs Church which who reads my answer may read what you have there to ground that lye on so though I speak what you know is truth and confess too yet it must not pass without lying and reproach but you shew your nature and for that you would go under the name of what they was that suffered I say the name will not cover you when you are as far from their nature as the sufferer from the persecuter and your Priests are Lords over us now as your fathers the Bishops was over them and whatever the dispensation is the persecuter is ever in the error though the sufferer bear the reproach and sufferings also and so it is now though the persecuter hath changed his name and form yet the same malice and work you are in Quer. 11. Whether you own the Resurrection of the body after death If not of what doth and shall Christs Kingdom consist for he can be no King without his Subjects Answ I say yea the Resurrection I own according to the Scriptures Reply answered In this you are not satisfied with a Scripture answer much less would you with mine and so puts it off with laying a slander on some namelesse man Quer. 12. Whether you acknowledge the Trinity of the Persons in the Godhead the Father the Son and the holy Ghost oue substance but three in subsistence or manner of beings Answ For the word Trinity thou mayst send it to Rome from whence it came but God the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost and that these three are one I know and acknowledge according to the Scriptures 1 Joh. 5. 7. Reply answered Your Reply to this is O subtile Deceiver c. And what is the fault because I will not own your word Trinity though I own the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost yet if I do not decline the Scripture phrase and take up the Romish I am a Deceiver and Etymologer and my pen stinks c. Well be it so such a Deceiver I shall be to own the Scripture and the sound words therein against all your Popish inventions And when you have thus railed against me because I will not own it then you accuse me for bringing it from Rome So that its a thing impossible to escape your tongues who are bent for mischief every way but it matters not seeing the reproach of the wicked is not onely safe but great riches Much more such smoak foames out at the pits mouth but not worth heeding such a Reply you may return to any Answer which is nought but bitterness and cursing and reviling so that you forget to speak to the Answer Quer. 13. Whether Jesus the Son of Mary incarnated in the flesh God-man in one person who died at Jerusalem upon the Cross rose from the death to life the third day and ascended on high into the highest heavens and sitteth on the right hand of God be the true Messiah as that you own and say is within you Answ Jesus the Son of God and Eternal Word which came down from God became flesh born of the Virgin God and Man who died at Jerusalem rose again ascended and sitteth at the right hand of the Father the true Messias which Christ we own to be within us which no carnal minde which denies his light can comprehend and Christ in you except ye be reprobates 1 Cor. 10. 4. Reply answered This you say is in some sort satisfactory but yet you say you have no faith to believe Christ within us I say I know you have not for did you believe Christ within there could not issue out all this mud and confusion uncondemned but though you cannot believe yet you can sl●nder that we are deluded but I look on it as the fruits of your unbeliefe and so pass it as not worth heeding being but a slander unproved Quer. 14. Whether the soul of man be mortal or immortal if mortal for what then did Christ Jesus suffer to purchase eternal glory and what profiteth holiness in life if immortal where then shall it abide after death since you say there is no heaven nor hell but in a mans conscience Answ The first part of this Quere I answer the soule is immortal but the latter part being made up of a lye I return it back into thy Fathers Bottle from whence it came till thou hast prov'd that ever I said there is no heaven nor hell but in a mans conscience Reply answered In this reply you call me Secret Deceipt and Lyar because I tell you of a lye you cast upon me in your Quere to wit that I say there is no heaven nor hell but in a mans conscience and because I will not bear it in silence but layes it open to be a lye therefore I am called Secret Deceipt for laying open your Secret Deceipt and now another must bear it who is not hear to answer for himselfe and so to excuse the lye you have discovered the backbiter who is shut out of the kingdom with the lyar And now Rich. Hubberthorn is named but you dare not say he ever said it least he should be neerer then you are aware to disprove you but least you should faile now you slander all our fraternity as you call it therewith which in truth is as much as to say no body for I am one but you clear me saying you cannot prove it against me so not all our fraternity so take the lye back til● you find a Father for it for with us it rests not Also take the other with it which sayes that it is usual with me to speak that in one breath which I will deny with another which when you prove I shall receive the lye till then let it rest upon the Founder For your scoffing

We teach to turn peoples mindes to the light and word which is the one thing needful to be minded 2 Pet. 1. 19. 2 Cor. 4. 1. 10 8. And the Apostle preacht that word to the people which was in their hearts Rom. 10. 6 7 8. And their preaching was to open the blinde eyes and to turn from darkness to light and so from the power of Satan unto God the Father of the light Acts 26. 18. And the Scripture serveth for declaring and testifying that th●s Christ is he that is the light of the world and lighteneth every one that commeth into the world and the Saviour of all that believe John 12. 46. John 1. 9. 1 Tim. 4. 10. Reply answered As you made up your last with lyes so you begin this saying that I grant that all external things are useless none excepted when I speak not a word to that purpose but witness the word and the light thereof to be the one thing needful nor doth confessing this make useless any thing that God made onely it makes the hirelings and false Prophets useless as to teaching who have not the word and light in them Another lye is that I say the light in every man is not sufficient to lead out of all the ways of the dark world And a third is that I grant the Scriptures to be useless A fourth is that we cry that down in others that we preach up in our selves And a fifth is that I once denied preaching So these five feet being struck off the Reply falls to naught and my Answer stands as it was at the first onely some rambling words nothing to the purpose which I forbear to mention lest I should be as vainly imployed in repeating as you in raising them 5. Quer. And if that the external means be useless to what end were those most sacred gifts bestowed upon men Eph. 4. 10 11 12. And how the end and intent for which they were given became void Answ 5. The end of those gifts was for perfecting the Saints and bringing all into one faith unto a perfect man which they that teach that none can be perfect by those gifts while they live do set up a faith in people contrary to the end of those gifts and by setting up external things in stead of these spiritual gifts have you lost the gifts and have made them void and so are become enemies to the end and intent of them in others who have them and believe the end of them And thus the end and intent for which they were given are become void to you Eph. 4. 10 11 12. Reply answered This also is made up of great swelling words and challenges and charges which are false as you charge them upon me as that I said in my Answer that thou John Deacon had set up external things and so made void the end of the spiritual gifts and this you make into three or four lyes to father upon me when my words are They that teach that none can be perfect do so but did not mention thee John Deacon nor intend it for I never looked upon thee as one of those Teachers thou never had that wit though malice enough to make a cover for one who dare not be seen lest his works be brought to light So these boults turn back upon the makers with the rest in the former and the Secret Deceipt is seen you tell on But the word perfecting the Saints sticks much on your stomack and so I am charged to produce a President of one person in all the Scripture that ever was perfect by any means and your penalty is else yeild my selfe a lyar but why a lyar because I say the end of those gifts was for perfecting the Saints and must not Paul be a lyar with you also who said so before me Eph. 4. 10 11 12. And can you believe if I produce a President in Scripture however since I am charged therewith and you ignorant of it I shall set you where you may find more then one Job 1. 8. Prov. 11. 5. Psal 37. 37. 1 Cor. 2. 6. Phil. 3. 15. Colos 1. 28. 4. 12. Jam. 3. 2. Gen. 6. 9. Luk. 6. 40. Heb. 10. 14. 1. Thes 5. 2. Search these Scriptures over before you conclude me a lvar so shall I not be alone herein But now what Reply to my Answer further then a lyer to wit that I do wrest the Scripture and your meaning which I quote as it is without the least meaning or wresting at all Quer. 6. If natural light be sufficient without the help of the means what then is become of the work of grace Eph. 2. 5. 8. Rom. 11. 6. and of the growth of faith Luk. 17. 5. Mark 9. 24. The practical use of Ordinances 1 Cor. 11. 2. 23. 24. As Baptism Matth. 8. 19. The Lords Supper Reading 1 Tim. 4. 13. Preaching Matth. 28. 20. and several other places Prayer 1 Thes 5. 17. Rom. 12. 12. Communion of Saints in publique Assemblies Heb. 10. 25. Answ 6. The light of Christ is the gift of the grace of God which brings salvation which teaches to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live soberly righteously and godly in this present world Tit. 2. 11. 12. And with this light is the work of grace seen but thou that callest this natural light or wouldest make people believe it is not sufficient must needs be ignorant of that spirit whereby that work of grace and growth of faith prayer and communion of Saints Supper and Ordinances is known for without faith in the light of Christ these are not known nor accepted though dark natural imaginations may make an imitation from them in the Letter 1 Cor. 2. 14. And thus are the works of grace become to all that deny the light and spirit of Christ within and take up a tradition from the letter without sensual having not the spirit Jude 19. Reply answered The Reply to this Answer is O deceitful Sophister and so because you cannot enter upon my Answer yet to your old trade of lying your way is open that I deny the work of grace faith the growth of faith by the use of Ordinances most if not all and that I wave the Question when as I tell you what is become of the work of grace to all that deny the light and what the gift of grace is which is more rather then less then was asked me Quer. 7. Whether the Bible be the written word of God yea or no if not what means the Apostle 1 Cor. 14. 36. 37. 38. Gal. 1. 10. 11. 1 Thes 2. 13. Answ 7. That is the word which the Bible declares of which is invisible and eternal which they that received i● of God and had it in their hearts did speak or write it down which writing they called a declaration Luke 1. 1. 1 John 1. 3. But doth no where say the Bible is the word but God and Christ is the word Jeh 1.

Christ sprinkle Infants turn the Scriptures into rhimes to sing Worship and pray in the Idols Temple br●ng a book and from a verse raile Points and Reasons and Uses live upon Tythes or set Wages sue their heares for money And all the rest of your Worship is also questioned by the Apostles practise to which you are contrary and do you think words will prove it and answer it So did your Fathers the Bishops and the Pope and them and you we deny and all your proofe that stands in words while you uphold another practise Whereof I say again and yet no lye that none of Christs Ministers worshipped so So your boast of a curb be to your selves till you prove your practi●e Quer. 14. Are you wiser then the Jews was or stricter in yo●r profession or more able to search the Scriptures or are you f●●●er in your wisdome and prudence for that work any of you who deny the light of Christ And was not they ignorant of the voices of the Prophets though they was read every Sabb●th day and ●o fulfilled in condemning him and are not you in the same work as to the word of Christ though you have them every first day beating in your Synagogues and haling before Rulers and think that you do God the best service when you are greatest opposers and so fulfilling the measure of wickedness as they did and how can you escape their end Mark 13. 9. Act. 13. 27. Mat. 24. 9. Joh. 16. 2 3. And are not they who are in envy in Cains way out of Christ Hath God any respect to their Sacrifice yea or no 1. Answer and Reply This you answer with You care not and so go on to a peece of railing your old practise And you say Christ hath opened your eyes with your eye-salve of Grace But what eye or where is that Grace seeing you say faith and knowledge is not within So you say you have accomplished an Answer to our Queres which when viewed is no more but a piece of vain babling railing and lying which you would have us take for an Answer but the Queres yet stand a witness against you and all your Generation and are still unanswered And if you read them over again you may see you have scarcely spoken to any one particular Now to the rabble of the confused Queres take an Answer thus Quere I. WHether your quaking and trembling be not the effects and tokens of those curses 1 Sam 14. 15. Deut. 28. 65. Psal 69. 23. And whether the Lord hath not given you eyes that you should not se● c. Answ For Answer to this Quere I say no. But the curses therein belong to such who deny knowledge and faith within as you do So take it back and apply it at home Yet trembling and quaking we own else should we deny the Saints conditions Que. 2. Whether there ought not to be a special distinction made betwixt the dictates of the Spirit of God and the spirit of man c. Answ 2. I say yea But they who have no faith and knowledge in them cannot make it All that proceeds from such is the Dictates of their own spirit if not worse and for a pretence use the name of Christ But who have the●r light faith and knowledge from Christ within lay nothing on Christ but what i● his own Quere 3 4. and Answer To your third and fourth Quere which are about the call to the Ministery wherein you would thrust in your Presbytery under the pretence of ordaining Elders and chusing Apostles I say those whom ever Christ called into his Ministery were called by his Spirit out of the world out of its glory and worships which yours are none of as all your manner of worship makes it manifest So shelter not your selves in the world and the false worships thereof with their Scriptures who were called out of the world and never worshipped in your manner call nor maintenante And for Timothy's gift your hands are poluted and have not that gift as is manifest by your fruits you are of those who lay on hands to beat in the Synagogues such never had the gift of the holy Ghost Quere 5. and Answer For your fifth Quere which is about the light of Christ being insufficient You ●●y if it be sufficient is not this a leading to perfection I say yea it is and will lead all to perfection that follow it which is the light of life Joh. 8. 12. Yet is no means needless which God appoints to direct to that light neither doth their message make the light insufficient Yet doth not this make way for your blind guides and your false worship whose message is to oppose this light and prove it insufficient though formerly in your Book you say you do not and so prove your selves lyars Quer. 6. And if Christ preached the Kingdom of God within unbeleevers as you say he did what then is the difference between the faithful and the faithless c. Answ Were you not blind you might see you have answered the Quere you ask to wit the one believes the other believes not And therein doth the difference consist and the latter of these you are who cannot believe the light is sufficient which is one in all though some will not believe and follow it and so though the Kingdom of God be preached within unbelievers Luk. 17. ●● Yet saith Christ of such ye will not come to me that you may have life So the Gospel of the Kingdom preached doth not profit not being mixed with faith Heb. 4. 2. Quer. 7. And whether is not your spirit a lying one which saith the Scriptures are not the words of God but of men c. Answ I do not say the Scriptures are not the words of God but of men So the lying spirit is your own Yet I say in the Bible there are words of men yea and of the divel also which God never commanded and this is truth without equivocation Quer. 8. Whether it be any better then Hypocrisie to prate of and call for Scripture and yet deny the Prerogative of Scripture c. Answ Prove that I have denied the Prerogative of Scripture or else thy Question is no better then a lye And whereas you say if the commands are the words of God why are not other Scriptures the same I say if it be the Bible you call the Scripture my answer is because there be many words declared of which God never commanded them that spoke them yet the Daclaration I own to be true And whereas you ask how it is that some of us say the word of God cannot be contained in Ink and Paper I say because the word of God fills Heaven and Earth and contains all things but cannot be contrined in any place Quer. 9. And since you say that Christ onely is the word of God I Quere whether he be meet to be a teacher of others nay hath he not need himselfe