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An apology for Congregational divines against the charge of ... : under which head are published amicable letters between the author and a conformist / by a Presbyterian : also a speech delivered at Turners-Hall, April 29 : where Mr. Keith, a reformed Quaker ... required Mr. Penn, Mr. Elwood ... to appear ... by Trepidantium Malleus ...
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Trepidantium Malleus.
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it is there said Q. Quid putas de istis qui nolunt adorare Jesum Christum A. Non sunt Christiani Franciscus Druid that blasphemer and his Followers condemned all Adoration and call their Brethren Idolaters and I think their Charge is true on their common Principle To say Christ is indeed a Dependant and Subordinate God and therefore a Relative and Subordinate Worship is due to him That the Father is the Supream Cause first Efficient and last End but Christ is the middle or second Cause of Salvation and intermediate End of Religion What signifies all this when it is no civil Worship given to him as the People did to David c. but they call it themselves Divine not so much as God is the Popish Shifts for worshipping of Saints not so much as Christ No wonder there is so great a distance between Socinians and Christians pardon the Expression I know what I say and after no mean Men when such charging one another is among them Esay says Who shall declare his Generation 53. Isai 8. Who indeed As some Men expect the great God should give us his Vassals an Account of his Will so your proud Reasons demand an account of himself which you must not know which you are not capable of knowing Was it not a good Providence the Anti-trinitarian Address made to the Parliament four years since troubled them with this their Controversie and Charge So it is a great Question whether the Holy Ghost be the power of God or as Beedle and others say a Created Angel If it be the Vertue of God it is Idolatry to give a Created Angel this Honour If a created Angel he is rob'd by others of his honour due to him being not regarded as it would be to Christ if he were thus overlookt That the Person of Father Son and Holy Ghost subsist in the Divine Nature I thinâ— is the best way of considering and speaking of the Trinity The great Objection is 17 John 3 This is life eternal to know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent Compare this and 1 Cor. 9 6. I only and Barnabas c. and then read John 5.7 This is the true God then as only excluded not Barnabas that follows but takes him in so here the only true God and Jesus Christ the true God They that say the Scripture says plainly there is but one God the Father of all forget the next word and ne Lord. Now if one God excludes Christ from being God one Lord excludes the Father from being Lord. 1 Tim. 3.6 Where it is said of Christ He only hath immortallity excludes not the Father from having Immortallity The essential Properties are common to all the Three but not Personal I like the old Anthem well mentioned by Dr. South Quid fit Gign quid processus Me nescive sum professus The Master of the Sentence and the School Men after him have said much about it but to little purpose I worder our Socinians are not ashamed to tell us That the Jews Turks and they worship one God Well matcht God is Lord of the understanding as well as of the Will and as our Wills must yield to his Law tho a veluctancy against them so our understandings to his Declarations tho a veluctancy against them Three to be One O contradiction in Terms cry our Socinians I lately asked one of them What is that he sees in the Glass Is it the same thing with his Face or another If the same thing then Three may be One. For we are sure we sometimes thus see three distinctfaces and if another as we conclude what is it material or immaterial Not material surely for what becomes of it when we turn away Corruptio unius If immaterial how do we see it with our Eyes may not we cry O horrible contradiction of Terms see with natural Eyes immaterial c. Isindore â—ave the fairest stroak I can remember of any about what that is we see in the Glass but far from being â—â—â—isfactory I am of their mind who tell us it is not safe to express the distinction of uncreated Persons by terms of Art The word Father when taken personally is only of the first Person in the Trinity when essentially of all in opposition to Creatures or image c. so is Christ the everlasting Father Are not Gods works of Creation and Providence unfordable How much more the Discoveries of himself I know some Quakers are not Socinians they own Christ Divinity but Sabellians I now none of them Trinitarians POSTSCRIPT SInce this Book was sent to the Press I saw Crispianism Vnmask'd done by a famous thorow Calvinist Conformist which pleaseth me not a little He is a man famous for Learning Piety and Moderation If any therefore value noâ— Mr. William's Book because of some Baxtterianisms in it let him peruse this where he proves That Crisp tho he pretended to be the greatest admirer of Faith yet would not allow it its due in Justification Thht Crisp was one that made the word of God of non-effect It is saith he no breach of Charity to say He was one of the Mockers and Scoffers of the last times foretold by the Apostle p. 59. Obj. I have neglected the Day of Visitation are brought in a Mockery If they weep if they 〈◊〉 lustily No dutys move God 〈…〉 car Sins on Christ who said 〈◊〉 did What misrepresentation is 〈◊〉 of us some think when God afflicts if they do mend God will mend These Graces as they call them says he on the General Tenders of the Gospel Conclude Christ is yours it is as good a Security as God can make you Sincerity is no Quallification that may be found in an enemy of Christ p. â—et elsewhere Sincerity is denied to be in Saints That God is never angry with believers for committing Sin or neglect of Duty This wise serious meak man could not in true Zeal but compare This Christ Exalter to the Christ Exalter 4 Mat. That exalted Christ to the Pinnacle of the temple to be precipitated and destroyed p. 64. This is saith he A Diabolical Sn. tanical Exaltation of Christ to throw down all Christianity He taâ—es notice of the D 's rude Expressions and Style too render Sacred things cont emptible and his nautious Repetition of the same things in the very same Words over and over four or five Sermons saith he contain all the forty two He doubts not but his prophane way of talking of Duties which says he the man affected hath cool'd the Zeal of a great number to Prayer and other Duties He looks on his other Sermons as a kind of Recantation p. 28 He proves the D. to be full of contradictoions c. FINIS
as well say The words are plain Therefore A Man Converted is the very Body that hung on the Cross If you say our senses tell us it is the same Body in substance as before So our senses tell us the same of the Bread If you say the asserting of this would be Monstrous Not one jot more then yours as I could easily prove Gen. 41.26 The Seven Ears and Kine are Seven Years We say looking on a Picture against the Wall This is my Father Brother Husband Wise Some of you confess your Doctrine here cannot be prov'd from Scripture tho some attempt to do it and that we have taken the more favourable sense of the words had not your Church chosen the contrary I say again Do any of these I write of assert such a Monstrous Doctrine as is Transubstantiation Or do they pray in an unknown Tongue Your Priests here in England were more ignorant then some Coblers among us It is well known one of them reading the Questions to the Sponsors for the Child in Baptism Anno abrenunciabis Diabolum cum omnibus suis operibus Wondred how the Devil should get in his Christning Book he blotted out the word Diabolum and put in Christum So the Question was Dost thou Renounce Christ with all his Works Another Baptis'd a Child in Nomine Patria Filia Spiritu sanctu which one construed I baptize with the Fathers Countrey the Daughter and the he she Spirit And it was question'd whether this should go for a good Baptism but the Old Numpsimus is better then the New Sumpsimus Pray Gentlemen How was the Creed said formerly Creco in Deum Parem orientem crixus fixus Ponki Pilaki remissurum peccaturum In the English Popish Homilies of Old the People were told How Old Father Adams Bones did ake in his Old Age and he sent his Son to Paradise for some of the Gum from the Tree of Life the Angel gave him some They told how the Devil was whipt by St. Francis about the Church till he did Roar for Pissing in the Holy Pot. How St. Kentigern's Mother conceiv'd as the Virgin Mary and a Thousand such trifles your Priests understood as much Divinity as one of your Justices who presented a Man for Frying of Bacon as contrary to Law which was Firing a Beacon Dalton of Sher. Before I go any further I see a necessity to Answer one Objection now on Foot against me Oh! This is he that hath talkt of an Impossibility of a Legerdemain trick of teaching a Child Nine Year old very lately The chief things in the Greek Grammar and to read exactly construe parse and say without Book the Ten first Verses of the Gospel of John in Greek and all in three Days I affirm and affirm again and again that it is true and he was examined before Mr. Woodhouse Mr Gillard Mr. Keith and Mr. Bolton who know there was no Trick in the thing as knows well Mr. Larner the Father of the Child I am ready for another Proof if it be doubted or denied I have heard of one that in an Afternoon taught one to read all that Chapter wonder at it who will I do not but think it feasable tho I never tried it I hear I am in some Cabals call'd Lyar and I know not what have pity on your selves Sirs if you have none on me come forth and face me you that smite me in the Dark And now I close this with a few Words to those Congregational Divines whom I plead for You see Brethren That I have once more put my Hand into a Nest of Wasps for your sakes tho' I am not of your mind about Church Discipline I own Presbytery and the Divine Right of it How as my Opinion not as an Article of Faith and therefore will never plead for it as such only I disown that little Creature called the Lay-Elder and think if it be no Creature of God's making it is a woful one of Man's making Not that I think the thing so novel as some do or no older then Calvin for I am well assured Ambrose that ancient Father says That it was a Church-Officer of Old but that the Pride or Negligence of Ministers cast him out How far he might be out here I will not say I am sure he was in his Exposition on the 8th of Romans where he says Olim viri mulieres docebant baptizabant I paay you Sirs advise your Brethren not to be easily imposed on by unqualified Men. One wrote me He desired to serve God in the Ministry and should be glad if he could do him any good They were his Words When I advised him to keep to his Trade he told me he was my Convert When he had no help from me he marries a rich Wife took up much plate from the Goldsmith and ran away Mr. H. of B. was a notorious Example He was bowed and cringed to as if a Bishop how he lived undesired for his Covetousness Oppression and died unlamented of all is too well known as well as his Preaching other Mens Sermons Such Men shall talk much of the Spirit and what God hath revealed to those Babes and his from the Wise and by such Cants the People take them to be Oracles Just as Van Helmont would have the World believe he had his new Discoveries in Philosophy Physick and Divinity as inspired by God Then he Cants and then tells of a Dream of a great Tree laden with Fruit His Causes and Beginning of Natural Things 4 Chap. 32. Well after all we are told what a Horse is and it is put into the Contents of the Chapter that we may the more note it That the Horse is the Son of his Fourfooted Parents created by the vertue of a Word into a living Horselike Soul We have a common Saying in some Places That to hear some things would make a Horse to break his Halter And because that Man hath so many Followers in this City I shall say the more of him and see whether he hath not ripled some places of Scripture for his wild Notions as our giddy Antinomians have for theirs In his Two Hundred Queries about the Revolution of Human Souls See how this Man after Prayers to God to discover Mysteries to him most vilely and foolishly plays with Scripture John 12.35 Are there not twelve Hours of the Day saith he tweve several times to be born in the World for Man Ephesians 16. Redeem the time not twenty or thirty Years only but hundreds they bad misspent before in other Bodies Here is your Man your Expositer for you What is the Old Man the Body of Sin but that which they had had bundred of Years As weak is the Talk of this Heretick about the Ending of the Torments of the Damned Pride will put Men on strange Delusions as if Inspirations Raphiel he says was promised him in a Dream The things I defend you in Brethren are of great Weight and Importance