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A66115 Remarks of an university-man upon a late book, falsly called A vindication of the primitive fathers, against the imputations of Gilbert Lord Bishop of Sarum, written by Mr. Hill of Killmington Willes, John, 1646 or 7-1700. 1695 (1695) Wing W2302; ESTC R11250 29,989 42

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