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A46640 Verus Patroclus, or, The weapons of Quakerism, the weakness of Quakerism being a discourse, wherein the choicest arguments for their chief tenets are enervat, and their best defences annihilat : several abominations, not heretofore so directly discovered, unmasked : with a digression explicative of the doctrine anent the necessity of the spirits operation, and an appendix, vindicating, Rom. 9. from the depravations of an Arminian / by William Jamison. Jameson, William, fl. 1689-1720. 1689 (1689) Wing J445; ESTC R2476 154,054 299

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their Fathers transgressions only To whom the Lord asserteth that they had sin enough themselves for which they might be punished doth not at all say that no sin can be imputed to another this meaning we say beside that it is evident from the Context must of necessity be admitted otherwise there shall be a flat contradiction between this and many other texts As for example the second Command This text Mr. Broun pag 119. cleared and everted what the Quakers had said from this place therefore he in his Vindication pag 55. not being in case to force the tex● to speak for him again saith the words are plain The Son shall not die for the Fathers iniquity And therefore they must stand to the overthrow of his Adversaries Doctrine Such a Comb●t●nt as this is not fit for a second essay CHAP. IV. Of GOD. IN this Chapter I shall prove the Quakers guilty of three things each of which is enough to Unchristian the maintainer thereof 1. That they deny the holy Trinity with Arrius and Sabellius 2 That their Doctrine maketh God the Author of in 3. That they hold the Soul of Man to be God. First we shall evince that this Sect really denyeth the Trinity of persons in the God-head and is as abominable if not more as the old Arrians Sabellians Macedonians or the latter Arrians as the Socinians And in the first place we shall give you the words of George Fox a Quaker of great note in his ●rimer to Europe pag 37. What is the Trinity in Unity and whether all these words be ●ot of mens Wisdom and Teaching Ans. To every particular Query word that is queried of you here and what was their first ground and root and ●o the light bring it out and the fi●st ●uthor of ●hem and whether or no all this body hath not gotten up since the Apostacy in the transgression where mens wisdom teacheth words and the words the Holy Ghost teacheth is foolishness to them Whether or not this is so Answer me yea or no What are the three Persons in the Trinity How are the three Persons subsistences of the Diety How is the Trinity not the number numbering but the number numbered How is the opinion of the Trinity not only a Church Tradition but a Doctrine expressed in the Scriptures How is the word Hypostasis which you acknowledge any singular Substance used Metaleptically or by taking one thing for another for a person Heb 1.2 Since ye say a person is a singular ●ational and compleat Substance and differing from another by an incommunicable property Answer me this and all the Terms and Words and Queries and things before mentioned What be the Wisdom that hath taught them and Ground and Root they are come from And whether or not they have all come up amongst Christians since the days of the Apostles And learned of the Heathens that knew not G●d that transgressed the life that had nothing but their own Wisdom to teach them who was taught by their own Wisdom and whether that is not pleasing to a carnal man that knows not the things of God How are the Words Persons Trinity 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which ye grant are not found in so many Syllables in the Scriptures yet agree thereto And George Keith in his Quak No Popery pag 47.104 Sayeth that To speak of Persons in the God-head is an uncertain unscriptural Notion and a barbarous heathnish Terme The Doctrine and Principles of the Priests in Scotland pag 19 20. It is a lie that the Scripture doth declare of the three persons or of the Trinity Add to all this that in all thei● Treatises there i● nothing found concerning the Holy Trinity except enough of this kind of Doctrine of which we have given the Reader a taste I will in the second place shew that thi● Doctrine is all one if not worse with the Doctrine of the execrable Arrians For their Doctrine was That the Son is separated or divided from the Eternal and Ineffable Substance of God the Father In opposition● o which The Council of Nice sayes chap· I. in their Symbol That the Son is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i. e. of the same individual Substance with the Father Rufin lib. 1. Now it is to be observed whoever hitherto contradicted the Doctrine of this Nicen Symbol were accounted by all Christians Arrians And upon this ground abominated by the whole Church Cane pejus et angue as they speak Next I assert that whosoever denyed that the Son was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Patri that is of the same individual Substance with the Father were by all the Orthodox counted Arrians So that in that unhappy Council of Ariminum when the Arrian Bishops had deceived some of the simpler sort through their Sophistry and made them through their own simplici●y and ignorance of the Greek-tongue to grant that the Son was not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Patri they were judged to involve them in the profession of Arrianism which is clear from Ruf. Hist. Eccl. Lib. 1 Cap. 2● The Argument wherewith they endeavour to prove that the Son was not Consubstantial with the Father was that the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is not found in Scripture which appears from this last cited Author They used also this Argument at a Convention at Carthage in the time of Hunnericus with such impudent clamours that they deafned their hearers Christianus Matthias in his Theat Hist. pag 744. So the Reader may se● here that the Quakers have learned both their Doctrine and Proofs thereof from the Arrians They ought therefore to have the Name seing they have the thing I will here subjoin the words of a late Arrian in a Pamphlet of his called Antith Christ et Antichristi which the Reader may find inserted and refuted in the 7 Tom. of Zinchius his Works which Words are his 20 Antith to be found in Za●ch Col. 872. 2. Tim. 1. Hold fast the Form of sound Words which thou hast learned of me The Apostle enjoined this to Timothy and a●● t●e Ministers of the Church to the end that they may flee strange Words and Phrases in speaking concerning God and the Mysteries of Faith that they may be content with these which he himself used in delivering the Doctrine of Religion these words Trinity Essence three persons ●n one e●●●nce altho they be neither used by Christ nor Paul but invented by the Councils and Fathers yet say the Orthodox they are necessarily to be keeped in the Church therefore let them confess as the matter is that they are not the disciples of Christ and the Apostles seing so rashly they strive against their precepts and the divine similitude wherewith the Prophets and Apostles did holily expresse the Mystery of the knowledge of God and Christ being laid aside they study new Forms and in teaching the Church they have the same oftentimes in their Mouth not without vile Ignominy bo●h to the doctrine and Church of Christ.
Behold now reader the identity of the doctrine of Quakers with that of Arrians from whom they have learned it But some perhaps may object saying that this identity is only in words to whom I answer Either the things impor●ed by these words and phrases and given by Christians Generally as the meaning thereof and contained in Scripture or not now if the first be true then to stir up strife about these words proves only the raisers thereof ridiculous But 2. Supposing that the thing● themselves which Christians understand by these words or phrases are holden forth in Scripture then to deny that we may use them is founded on this Hypothesis viz. that in Explication of Scriptures or disputs about the meaning the●eof it is impious and unlawful to use any words or phrases except they be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or in the same Letters and syllables in Scripture tho we be never so sure that as to the sense and meaning thereof they be found in the Scrip●ures but this Hypothesis if true overthroweth all Scripture consequences interpretation of Scripture blasts the hope of ever getting Hereticks refuted which none will deny except ●n Arrian or the like Hereticks and while these deny it they only oppose their own practice to their own opinion seeing they themselves as other d●sputant● endeavour to draw Consequen●es from Scripture and paraphrase upon it to make it peak for themselves Now that this absurd and blasphemous consequence sticks fast to this their Hypothesis appears from no few places of Scripture and among others Math. 22.31 32. For if our Saviour had stuck to the meer Letters and Syllabl●s of Exod. 3.6 I am the God of Abraham c. without deduction of a consequence from them and so an exposition of them he should never from these words have evinced against the Sa●ducees the Resurrection of the dead But I need not stay longer to evince this for certain it is and already proved not only from the Quakers obstinate denyall of a free and positive Con●ession of their Faith anent this matter but also from their useing of the same weapons with which the Arrians attempted the subversion of this trulie Catholick Doctrine as also sufficiently by the express words of Fox and these of the Principles of the Priests but this Arrian Self Contradicting shift they are forced ●o us● being conscious to themselves as the Arrians before ●hem that their Doctrine cannot be proof against the firm and demonstrative deductions which the Orthodox bring from Scripture with which as so many Battering-Rams they with ease overthrow this Antirripitarian Impietie Therefore the other Branch of the Dilemma viz. That the sense of these words i. e. That which all Christians understand as the Me●ning thereof according to the Quakers is not in Scripture And indeed this is the Truth And so the Quakers are Arrians the evicting of which is the intent of this present discourse But yet farther that this is Truth viz. That the Quakers are Arrians if not worse and deny that fundamental Doctrine of the persons of the ●oly Trinity and that the Son of God and the Holy Ghost also are of the same substance with the Father and distinct persons from him is most evident from their perpetual hellish raisings at the Doctrine of the Holy Trinitie calling it an Abominable and stinking Doctrine as these that heard them told me and when they were reproved their reply was thou knowest not the Truth Again they demonstrate to the world that they are the Frye of Arrius while they reject the Common Translation and Exposition of Heb. 1. ● Admitted by all except the Arrians and their Brethren For if the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ought not to be rendred Person or Subsistence as all the Lexicographers and in particular Scapula Pasor Scrivelius upon the word and all the Interpreters both ancient as Pareus in locum sheweth and modern Dutch Divines and English Translation render it but Substance for certainly thus it must be rendred ●f the word Person or Subsistence be rejected then it shall irresisti●ly follow that the Father and the Son are divided in substance which was the Doctrine of Arrius both in Ma●ter and Term● hence it is clear●r than day-light that these men are his Disciples yea it is to be observed that if the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in this place ought to be rendered Subsistentia or Persona then if a man believe the Scriptures and that words are the true Symbols of things it is not possible that he be in Judgment an Arrian A● contrariwise if a Man believe that the word ought to ●e rendered Substance presupposing the Truth of the Scriptures and that words are the true Idea's of things he cannot but be an Arrian Hence that for named Arrian Antithesi 4 ta apud Zanchium pag 854 of his forecited book sayes He● 1. Christ is the splendor of the Glorie of God and figure of His Substance Christ is the invisible God Himself says the Church of Rome For this Arrian still calleth all the oppose●s of Arrianism members of the Church of Rome as the Quakers do now But it may be here objected that several very Orthodox Writers have in this place translated ●he Greek Word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 by that of Substantia to which I answer that all the Orthodox both Ancient and Modern while they thus spake did take the word Substantia in the sense that both they and we do the word Persona or Subsistentia This our Ass●rtion may be most evident to any though but a little acquainted with the ancient and Modern Orthodox i. e. the opposers of Arrians and Socinians writers For Augustin who in several places and in particular lib. 5. and 7. De Trinitate ascribeth to God three Substances or three Subsistences indifferently yet notwithstanding elswhere carefully distinguisheth them and in particular de fide ad Petrum Diaconum ●ap 1. where he sayeth for if as the substance of the Father and the Son is one so also they were 〈◊〉 one person then there should be nothing a● all which truly could be called a Trinitie Hence we se● that this word Substantia did bea● a twofold Signification in the first of which it may be well put into the re●t as Equivalent with or the Synonymum of the word Persona without the least shadow of prejudice to our Doctrine it were easie to shew the like ou● o● Hilarius and others of the Antients I shall content my self to set down the words of Photius Patriarch of Constantinople in his Bibliotheca Col. 299. Giving his Judgment concerning a book of Pierius an ancient Pastor saying as touching the Father and the Son he believeth piously except that he sayeth that they are two Substances and as many Natures howbeit not so as he adhereth to Arrius for as may be gathered from what goes before and followeth he useth the word Substantia for or in the same signification with the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉
〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or persona See the same Author Col. 783 De Libris Ephremi Pariarchae Theopolitani where he confirmeth at large this our assertion Now observe serious Reader of how great a consequence in the Judgement of those who are in this great point most Orthodox the right or wrong use of these words about which we now treat was esteemed and also that they took them in the same sense for which we now plead But I forbear to add more out of the an●ients For Calvin Inst. lib. 1. cap. 13. Sect. 2. affirmeth this our proposition of all the Ancient Orthodox without exception and Socinus ingenuously confesseth it Of the Modern writers I affirm the same as is clear from Calvin ibid. and Tremellius in His version of the Text out of the Syriak Pome●ranus on the place and others It is clear then th●● we have both name and thing in Scripture and indeed this Text doth so clearly hold forth this trulie Catholick Doctrine that George Keith is forced to discover that which he by all means endeavoureth to palliat For Truth Defended p. 76.79 He sayeth that this Text is to be understood speaking of Christ as Man only Now I am sure if he could make out this he should do a piece of non such service unto the Arrians and Socinians for this is one of the Texts that they with greatest Care endeavour to pervert and wrest and the Orthodox to vindicate inferring alwayes from it the Divinity of Christ but this he shall never be able to make out for there is nothing more clear than that the whole Context and Scope of the Apostle doth evince that this place speaketh of Christ as God and again who d●re say except the Arrians and Socinians with George Keith that Christ as Man can be called the Brightness of the Fathers Glory or the express Image or Character of the Father Man indeed was made according to the Image of God but certain it is that no Creature in Scripture is called the Image of the Father hence when Christ Col 1.15 Is called the Image of the invisible God Divines take the the word GOD for the person of the Father neither at all can it be otherwise understood for Christ is there called the first born of every Creature and he by whom all things were Created and Consist Hence Christ must be called the Image of the invisible God according to his God-head and by ● good Consequence by God must be understood the Person of the Father as a distinct Subs●st●nc● from that of the Son. From all which I conclude that so firm is the Truth of our Doctrine that the very things that seem to infringe and weaken it resolve only into a fair Occasion of and making way for its clearer Evidence and stronger Corroboration Add to all this that the primitive Church carefully retained these Words and Phrases as either being in Scripture in Terminis or bottomed thereon and as being the true Symbols of these Divine Things whereby the Church might most fitly express her mind and repel the Sophistry of Hereticks both before but esp●cially after the rise of the Arrian Heresie H●nce Iustin Martyr hath a book intituled 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and describes a Person of the Holy ●rinit● 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. And Damas●●●e Orth. fide and others follow him in this Description These and the like Phrases are generally found in the works of the Fathers as Irenaeus Tertullian and others before the rise of Arrianism but especially after it as Augustin Athanasius Hilarius Cyrillus Alexandrinus Eusebius Rufinus Sozomenes and many others divers of which as Augustin Athanasius hath books with Titles expresly concerning the Holy Trinity But as I sa●d before after the rise of the Arrian and Sabellian Heresies the Church with greater Care and Acuracy distinguished the words Substance and Subsistence as he that pleases may see in Ruf. l. i. Cap. 29 and in the History of Sozomenes writing of the Council of Alexandria Notable also to th●● purpose and never to be forgotten are the words of Athanasius who in his Symbol thus speaketh Whosoever will be saved before all thing● it is necessary that he hold the Catholick Faith which Faith except every man keep wholly and inviolat without doubt he shall eternally p●rish this truly is the right Catho●ick Faith that we worship one God in Trinity and the Trinity in Vnity without confounding the Persons neither separating the Substance c. From which Time to this day the Church hath Religiously Observed these Words and Phrases whereby She might express the Truth and distinguish her self from that Porphyrian sect of the Arrians as C●●stantin the great called ●hem and other Here●ick● By this Time. I am confident that he that will not close his Eyes may perceive that the Doctrine of Quakers is all one with that of Arrians Macedonians Sabellians which is the purpose of this Discourse But yet ex abundanti I will transcrib a Passage or two further The first of which is in Truth Def. This compleat Arrian and self contradicter having said pag 75. That It is only the ●●scriptural Terms of Trinity and Persons which he denyeth and not the Mystery pag 77. He giveth himself the lie and palpably bewrayeth his Arrianism in these words And if Io Alexander ●ir definition of a Person be received that it is an Intelligent Beeing subsisting incommunicably or distinctly one from another I do not see for my part but that three Persons at this ●ate shall infer 〈◊〉 Intelligent Beeings subsisting incommunicably and consequently three Gods. Behold Reader the the Arrian dashing against the same stumbling-stone upon which Arrians and Socinians have alwayes broken their necks For upon this very Account that it seemed to them to infer three Gods the Arrians and Sabellians of old and the Socinians at this day always malign and endeavour what they can to render odious that most necessary Doctrine of the Holy Trinity With this passage of George Keith well agreeth what Hubberthorn in his Reply to Sherlock impiously belloweh forth pag 19. That there is no Scripture for the Catholick Faith and Trinity and three Persons Before I passe this Matter I cannot but take Notice of the strange dealing of George Keith attempting to make Augustin a Patroniser of his Arrian Doctrine For in Truths Def Cap 5. The Quaker h●th these Words And indeed Augustin in his 5 and 7 Books of the Trinity not only sayeth the Words three Persons are improper but disputeth against them as I suppose Io. Alexander for all his School Logick and Philosophy shall hardly be able t● answer his Argument the substance of which 〈◊〉 my best remembrance is this The word Person either it signifieth somewhat absolute and simple or relative to say the first is absurd otherways ther● shall be three absolute Beeings or Essence's in God which is absurd If somewhat Relative which is referred or relative to another as Father is relativ● to a
Son and therefore a Father is Father of a●nother and no man is his own Father the● to say the Father is a person is to say the Fathe● is the Person of some other and so of the rest which is absurd to the which Argument not as mine but really Augustin's I leave Joh. Alexander to answer Thus George Keith Ans. It seemeth that the Intent of the Quaker is to fasten a false Contradiction on Augustin for none ever used the word Person in Application to the Holy Trinity more frequently than Augustin hath done as is obvious to any that hath but a little acquaintance with his Works And de Trinit Lib. 5. Cap 8. He asserteth that the Latine Fathers yea and these of greatest Authority among them still used the word Person as the most fit that could be imagined for the expressing of this Holy Mystery To whom he assenteth both in this place and else where in the same Books Cited by George Keith We may hence see what the drift of the Quaker is even to render both the Persons and Doctrine of the choicest Champions of Christ odious and contemptable by making them speak self-contradictions and that in these very points anent which if the Body of the Christian World be not grosly deceived they were of all men most Orthodox 2. This same Father de Doctrina Christi Lib 1. Cap 5. Alledgeth that the word Causa cannot sufficiently enough agree to God. And Cap 6. That the word Deus is not fit enough whereby God can be expressed Sure I am that in both these Books mentioned by the Quaker he saith nothing whereby we may conclude that he is more disliking the word Person than the word Causa or Deus But shall I think that George Keith judgeth that according to the mind of Augustin God is not the Creator or first cause of all things And that we sin in expressing him by the Name of God I do not think that the Quaker will assent to this and yet no more Reason hath he to say that according to Augustin it is dangerous to say that there are three Persons in the Trinity For the main Reason why he thinketh that there is some inconsistency in the word Person for the full expressing of that inexpressible Mystery he giveth de Trinit Lib 7. Cap 4 In these words When they enquire of us what Three or how these Three shall be called we set our selves to find some special or general Name neither can we find it because the supereminency of the Dei●y exceeds the strength of our Eloquence and God is more truely Comprehended by the Mind than expressed by the Tongue and more truly existeth than comprehended in the Mind This I say is the Reason why Augustin thinketh the word Person not sufficient enough for the Declaration of this incomprehensible Mystery But the same is the Reason why de Doctrina Christ. Lib 1. Cap 5. He thinketh that the word Cause cannot agree to God Hence it is apparent That an Atheist might as well and with as good ground alledge that Augustin in the forecited places did patronize his Atheism and publish to the world that God is not the Supream cause of all things or that there is not a God. 3. I have with care perused these Books of Augustin but could not at all find this Argument which George Keith fathereth upon him I Answer therefore the Argument not as Augustin's but as a sinnowless Argument of George Keith drawn from a simily of natural things which hath little or no proportion to that which is Infinit Hence I say that it can have little or no weight But again the Argument is false and Ridiculous on this Account that the Quakers make every Father the Person of his Son which I am sure is absurd enough For as a Father is the Father of another and yet a distinct Person from another so God the Father is the Father of God the Son and yet a distinct Person from God the Son. Hence the similie ●rought not by Augustin but by the Quaker for the overth●ow of the Truth tendeth to the Illustration and clearing thereof From all this Lea●n how disingenuous Dealers these men are that can find no better Means for the defence and propagation of their Doctrine than to deceive the Simple by borrowing the Names of the Antient Wort●ies whereby to cover their blasphemous Doctrine Thus their best refuge is to broach Lies in Hypocrisies 2. I shall prove that according to the Quakers Doctrine God is the Author of sin which I thus Evince God is the Author of every Substance but according to the Quakers Doctrine Sin is a Substance The Minor I prove Grace is a Substance which is their Common Doctrine therefore sin is a Substance also The consequence Rob Barclay Vind pag 49. denyeth which I thus prove the Antecedent viz. that Grace is a Substance they endeavour to prove by these Reasons First because it is in and by this inward and substantial Seed in their hearts as it cometh to receive nourishment and to have a Birth and Geniture in them they come to have these Spiritual Senses raised by which they are made capable of Tasting Smelling Seeing and Handling the things of God. Thus reasoned Robert Barclay In his Apology pag 95. This is also the Doctrine of George Keith in his Immed Rev. That this Light or Seed or Grace is a Substance because it may feel hear c. Robert Barclays second Reason is because it subsists in the hearts of wicked men even while they are in their wickedness Now if Sin may hear feel and perceive as well as Grace and Light and if it may feel or perceive the things of Satan as really as Grace feels or perceiveth the things of God and if sin may be in the. heart of a real godly person then sin is a Substance according to the Quakers Otherwise these Reasons are reasonlesse But the former is true therefore the la●ter The Consequence of the Major is most firm For sin in the heart of one that is truly godly is the same way to be considered as Grace and Light in the heart of the ungodly in this point For I judge this be the Reason why the Quakers Judge that this is the Reason that the Beeing of Grace in the Heart of a wicked Man while in his wickedness proveth it to be a substance viz. Because it can be where its contrary is and strive and wrestle with it which is as evident concerning sin in the heart of a godly man as is clear from Rom. 7. Gal. 5 17 and also from Experience which I believe our Adversaries themselves would hardly deny seing they grant that all Persons that have real Grace are not at all times after Conversion free of sin and wrestling with it Hence the Charge that they most maliciously lay to the Reformed Churches viz. that they make God the Author of Sin is justly returned upon themselves seing God is the Author
assert that the Scriptures 〈◊〉 the Principal Rule of Faith and Manners yet wh● can say that this is through default of the Scriptures seeing our Adversaries cannot deny but that they speak both Sense and Truth and that when there is a real Contradiction between two disputing cocerning any Doctrine or Sense and meaning of any text of Scripture this Text speaks for the one and against the other tho the one of the parties either through Ignorance cannot or through prejudice will nor see it and that the sense thereof may be brought forth to the light so that there shall follow a mutual Agreement between the two dissenting parties and consequently that the Scriptures of their own Nature are apt for the removal of differences about things contained in them We have heard their retortion let us now hear their direct answer which is that their fruits declare them to have the Spirit of God Thus it s answered in their Quakerism confirmed to the Students of Aberdeen For which forsooth they bring Scripture proof from Matth. 7.15 16. where fruits are made the Test for trying whether one be a true or false Prophet But what fruits these thorny prickling Plants have brought and do daily bring forth the world is not ignorant If to deny the Holy Trinitie the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ the resurrection of the Body and to assert the Souls of men yea and devils to to be God Almighty of which abominations we shall ere we end this Treatise undeniably prove the Quakers to be guilty and in a word to vomit out their Malice so as to endeavour the overthrow of whatsoever God in his Sacred Word hath commanded us either to believe or do If these I say be the fruits of the Spirit then indeed the Quakers have them and abound in them and other Fruits we know none except which are of little worth some Stoicisms and ridiculous whimsies in which also some of the M●humetan and other Monks have gone far beyond them yea with these men Envy Pride Contempt of all others are so predominan● that tho by this Character o●ly it is easi●y judged by what Spirit they are acted Add to all this their constant custome of horrible lying Perverting and Railing of which take one or ●wo Instances in the practise of one o● their chief leaders Rob Barcl for Vind. pag. 60 He sayeth that his Adversa●ie inferred from the Quakers Doctrine of Christs dying for all that Infants come to heaven without Christ But how grosse an un●ruth is 〈◊〉 will be evident to any that read Mr. Broun Cap 6. Num. 14. where he inferreth this horrible consequence from their de●ying of Original Sin and again pag 64.65 he saith that the Westminster Confession saith that God did predestinat to everlasting damnation the most part of men without any respect had to their sin But a more palpable and horrid lie hath scarce been hatched for 〈◊〉 that Confession chap 3. § 7. It is expresly said that God 〈◊〉 ●rdain them to Wrath for their sins Of the like nature is that which he saith pag. 170 That his Advers●ry chap 27. maketh a Preaching to the Devil and that a Minister at Lige●wood made a Prayer to the Devil whereas he only ●nfer●eth from the Quakers Doctrine that they may make a Preaching to the Devil And as for Railing their whole writings are Stuffed with it See for example Hubberthorn against Sherlock whose whole Pamphlet is nothing but an he●p of furious Railing his best Language being Thief rude Fellow Enemy to God c. See also Edward Burroug●s in answer to Philip Bennet whose best language is Serpent the lake is prepared for thee and such language as this is the marrow of the Quakers refutation of their adversaries Books For in these two now Named Discours●s there is hardly the shadow of so m●ch as an Essay to answer But this is the way how they gain the day and obtain the last word How fair an occasion is here offered to shew to the world by a particular Enumeration of their horrid monstruou● practices that their frui●s are the Grapes of Sodom and the wine of Gomorrah But they are but too too well known already we forbear therefore to rake into this Dung-hill Certain it i● that the works of the Angel of the bottomless pit will as soon prove himself ●o be an angel of Light as the Fruits of these High-pretenders will prove them to be acted by the Spirit of God. But more fully to confirm or rather illustrate this argument I shal shew the Identity of their Spirit with that of the old Anabaptists in several particulars A short parallel between the old Libertine Anabaptists and the new who are known by the name of Quakers 1. Muncer and the Anabaptists with him denyed that the Scriptures or external word for thus they spake that they might the better vili●y the Scriptures were the Word of God but only a Testimony thereof and said that the Word of God was a certain heavenly thing distinct from the Scriptures Bullinger adversus Anabaptistas lib. 1. cap. 1. The same is the downright Doctrine of the Quakers only there is this difference that the Quakers expresse themselves in this matter with more rage and fury than for ought I can find the Anabaptists did as the Reader may may see cap. 1. § 1. of this Treatise 2dly Muncer with his disciples preferred that which they called immediate Revelation and inspirations busked with the specious Title of Fathers will as the Quakers Revelations are now with that of the Spirit to Gods written Word Bullinger Ibid and cap. 2. passim alibi Sleidan comm Calvin Instit lib 1 cap. 9. In this point also the Quakers are their successors or rather the same the name being changed seing they with Robert Barclay propos 2 3. assert that not the Scriptures but the Spirit is the principal Rule of Faith and Manners 3dly The old Anabaptists asserted that the express Words and Phrases of the Scriptures are to be adhered to without any exposition interpretation or deduction Bulling lib. 1. cap. 8. alibi In this also their genuine children the Quak●rs follow them with both feet as is evident in this Treatise cap. 1. 4ly The Anabaptists of old asserted that the whole Old Testament is now abrogate and pertaineth not to a Christian nor hath any obligation or force upon him in which wicked Doctrine as they followed the Manichaeans so at this day the no lesse wicked Quakers follow them asserting that nothing recorded in the old Testament is binding and incumbent to us but as it is ratified by Christ in the new and hath precept or Authority from it as is affirmed by Robert Barclay Vindic P. 178. num 5. Hence it is evident that according to them no part of the Old Testament is more obligatory or binding upon u● than the words of Aratus or such heathen Poets are and yet these men will not stick in contradiction to these
See his 12. Proposition and his Apology thereto annexed Vindication pag 162 He cometh to urge one of his Apologetick arguments against these Sacraments in general viz. That the many controversies among Christians about them prove them to be a real pharisie To which when his adversary replyeth that if this argument hold it will overthrow all the parts of the Christian Religion He answereth that he should not have used this argument except he had other weighty ones And then he cryeth out upon his adversary as shewing a malicious genious Judge Reader if he had reason so to cry out and yet no better is the ground of his complaints through the whole of this Treatise But to the main purpose Iulian or Porphyry might as well have used this instance as he for they thought they had weighty Arguments against the Christian Religion And he doeth but meerly think that he hath weighty arguments against the Sacraments as in the Sequel shall appear However in the mean time we may observe that this argument as the most part of the rest is borrowed from the Pagans For this very Argument drawn from the division of Christians they improved what they could to overthrow Christianitie From them the Papists borrowed it wherewith to impugne the Protestants And lastly the Quakers from them and hath placed it where it was again at the first to be a battering piece against Christianitie in general So it hath gone from hand to hand in Circulo Next he cometh to vindi●at another argument borrowed from the Papists in their pleadings for traditions against the Scriptures viz. that the word Sacrament is not to be found in Scripture take heed to the consequence Reader E. The thing is not in them Is not this valid But this Argument in its very defence he is forced to let go while he sayeth he denyeth not the thing truly imported by the Trinity Very well then he can say no more of the Sacraments For the thing signified is in the Scriptures and the words Sign or Seal by which though he denyed we very ordinarily express that which we mean by Sacraments is very frequent in Scripture And yet before he want something to say he will cavil though he grant all we plead for before the close as here Pag 163 He cometh to vindicate his meaning of some places of Scripture brought in his Apology wherewith to overthrow Baptism And first Eph. 4.5 where he taketh notice that his Adversary Pag 469 sayeth that the Scripture no where sayeth there is but one only Baptism To which he replyeth that it will as well prove that there is but one only Baptism as there is one only God. Ans First true it is that this Phrase one only Baptism is not found in Scripture 2. The one cannot be so well proved as the other For these ones must be exponed according to the subject matter seing it is beyond debate that it cannot be proved from this place that there is but one only Faith or no kinds thereof but one The Phrase therefore One Baptism will no more prove that there are not diverse kinds thereof than the phrase one Faith can do it in respect of diverse kinds of Faith. If he think otherwise he ought to prove it seing he is the opponent Next he sayeth That his adversary understandeth the extraordinary gifts of Tongues and the like by Baptism of the Holy Ghost and of fire And hence saith he concludeth that this Baptism is ceased Ans. This is most true which to prove let him compare Act. 1.5 with Chap. 2. For he cannot deny that the Apostles had the Spirit of God before this promise which is together with its fulfilling chap. 2. an explication of the like phrase in Matth 3.11 For the clearing of which I assert that Iohns Baptism was no figure of the New Testament Baptism in opposition to Papists and Quakers who say it was only a figure of the New Testament Baptism Otherwise if the sign which Iohn could only administrat be opposed to the thing signified we may understand the Baptism with the Holy Ghost and with the fire spoken of Matth. 3. of Sanctification and Mortification Next he sayeth It is a lie that the Quakers would have none to be baptized with the Spirit but such as have extraordinary Gifts But do they not still boast of their Revelations and inspirations comparing themselves to the Apostles calling themselves perfect and I think these are extraordinary things And as for others beside them they call them only carnal and say they are in darkness these are the most modest of their Expressions and yet enough to prove the thing denyed When his Antagonist telleth him in Opposition to his saying that if this Water-Baptism were to be accounted a true Baptism then there should be two Baptisms contrary to Eph. 4.5 I say when he telleth him that it might as wel be said that there were two Circumcisions under the Old Testament one in the heart another in the flesh he granteth the Consequence and challengeth his Adversary of Levity in using such an Argument Well then with as little absurdity we grant his Consequence viz. That in some sense there are two Baptisms in the Church though in another Sense there be but one viz. considered complexly of the Sign it is understood in the place in hand and indeed one might as well have reasoned to presse Unity among the Jews that there was but one Circumcision as the Apostle doth from the one Baptism And for any thing I know the Word Circumcision is not used in the plural Number in the Scriptures And if he say that it is spoken of as twofold Rom. 2.28 29 I answer so is Baptism spoken of 1 Pet. 3.21 Another Reason of his Antagonist against his meaning of this place is that he may as well conclude from this place that there is but one Faith as that there is but one Baptism And yet there are diverse kinds of Faith mentioned in Scripture as sometimes for the Doctrine of Faith Gal. 1.23 And for the outward Profession of Faith. 1 Tim. 1.19 The Faith of Miracles or the like To which he answereth that all these are included in the one Faith here spoken of And to say that Baptism with water is included in that one Baptism is a begging of the Question Ans. It is no more a begging of the Question than that all these kinds of Faith are included in this one Faith. If he think otherwise let him prove it But he thinketh it rather fit to shift and give naked assertions For what Reason is there why the Baptism with water is not included in this one Baptism more than that these other kinds of Faith are not included He may shew this if he please for this is that which is incumbent to him to prove That Baptism with Water is not included as well as these various Kinds of Faith. 2. How will he prove that the Faith of Miracles is included in this