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A70556 A briefe or generall reply, unto Mr. Knuttons answers unto the VII. questions, about the controversie betwen the Church of England, and the separatist and anabaptist briefly discussed. By John Mabbatt. Mabbatt, John. 1645 (1645) Wing M112; ESTC R223722 35,933 39

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12._o 1._o and_o whosoever_o hold_v regeneration_n by_o baptism_n hold_v a_o popish_a doctrine_n 2._o if_o baptism_n do_v produce_v it_o it_o shall_v do_v it_o to_o all_o that_o partake_v of_o it_o question_n v._o whether_o be_v it_o lawful_a to_o rebaptize_v or_o not_o f._n i_o answer_v that_o if_o one_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o name_n of_o god_n in_o general_a without_o particular_a explication_n and_o recitation_n of_o the_o three_o person_n be_v not_o mention_v but_o omit_v in_o baptism_n it_o be_v not_o right_a and_o lawful_a baptism_n or_o if_o one_o be_v baptize_v of_o those_o heretic_n who_o deliver_v not_o the_o right_a doctrine_n of_o the_o trinity_n such_o as_o be_v the_o marcionite_n arrian_n and_o pueamatomachi_n it_o be_v not_o right_a and_o lawful_a baptism_n because_o the_o essential_a form_n of_o baptism_n be_v not_o observe_v which_o according_a to_o christ_n institution_n must_v be_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n son_n and_o holy_a ghost_n but_o if_o it_o 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