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answer_n he_o ask_v how_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v from_o hence_o that_o such_o as_o consent_v unto_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o gospel_n propound_v unto_o they_o by_o answer_v yea_o or_o bow_v their_o head_n may_v not_o thereupon_o he_o admit_v unto_o baptism_n they_o and_o their_o infant_n answ_n 1._o i_o do_v not_o yet_o understand_v how_o he_o raise_v this_o observation_n viz._n that_o the_o believer_n in_o act._n 11._o consent_v to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o gospel_n by_o answer_v yea_o to_o it_o or_o bow_v their_o body_n in_o testimony_n of_o their_o like_n thereof_o i_o perceive_v it_o be_v a_o easy_a thing_n to_o conquest_n if_o beg_v may_v procure_v one_o that_o but_o i_o mind_v not_o to_o give_v the_o case_n so_o away_o therefore_o i_o do_v deny_v that_o ever_o these_o embrace_v the_o truth_n in_o so_o absurd_a a_o sort_n and_o see_v this_o be_v a_o assertion_n of_o his_o own_o head_n it_o lie_v he_o now_o upon_o to_o justify_v it_o tertullian_n heret_fw-la tertullian_n in_o his_o book_n of_o prescript_n ag_fw-mi heret_fw-la say_v it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o man_n to_o flatter_v themselves_o with_o any_o thing_n of_o their_o own_o opinion_n and_o judgement_n nor_o choose_v that_o which_o come_v in_o their_o own_o brain_n we_o have_v the_o apostle_n for_o example_n who_o teach_v nothing_o after_o their_o own_o pleasure_n but_o faithful_o the_o doctrine_n which_o they_o receive_v of_o christ._n 2._o if_o by_o pronounce_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o gospel_n he_o mean_v a_o read_n or_o say_v over_o of_o a_o liturgy_n as_o be_v the_o matter_n in_o controversy_n then_o i_o do_v again_o deny_v that_o there_o be_v in_o the_o apostle_n day_n any_o such_o thing_n practise_v 3._o if_o it_o shall_v be_v
nothing_o but_o visible_a christianity_n but_o to_o the_o other_o as_o there_o must_v be_v visible_a christianity_n so_o likewise_o a_o foregoing_a join_n of_o faithful_a people_n together_o in_o a_o spiritual_a outward_a society_n or_o body_n politic_a and_o unless_o this_o thing_n be_v strict_o observe_v there_o will_v follow_v many_o absurdity_n and_o great_a confusion_n this_o may_v be_v further_o illustrate_v by_o a_o similitude_n take_v from_o a_o corporation_n 2._o ephes_n 2._o to_o which_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v sometime_o compare_v we_o know_v that_o many_o who_o be_v no_o member_n thereof_o be_v man_n of_o good_a life_n peaceable_a quiet_a profitable_a worthy_a and_o fit_a enough_o to_o be_v of_o the_o company_n notwithstanding_o they_o partake_v not_o in_o the_o privilege_n of_o the_o freedom_n until_o themselves_o by_o due_a order_n be_v become_v freeman_n argument_n ii_o to_o use_v those_o way_n and_o invention_n in_o worship_v god_n which_o be_v not_o command_v of_o god_n in_o his_o word_n be_v unlawful_a but_o god_n have_v not_o command_v in_o his_o word_n that_o any_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n shall_v baptize_v such_o infant_n who_o parent_n be_v without_o therefore_o it_o be_v unlawful_a to_o do_v it_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o reason_n be_v certain_a by_o the_o whole_a course_n of_o the_o scripture_n psal_n 119.113_o deut._n 12.8_o 1._o sam._n 15.22.23_o hos_fw-la 6.6_o leu._n 10.1.2_o mich._n 7.18_o jer._n 5.31_o 2._o chr._n 26.17.18.19.21_o num._n 3.4_o mar._n 7.8.9_o col_fw-fr 2.8.9_o mat._n 15.2_o to_o 12._o beside_o this_o be_v the_o constant_a sentence_n of_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n as_o they_o be_v term_v &_o our_o late_a best_o divine_n to_o wit_n that_o nothing_o be_v to_o be_v receive_v or_o approve_a in_o religion_n which_o can_v be_v prove_v &_o confirm_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o therefore_o all_o tradition_n administration_n good_a intent_n and_o devise_n of_o man_n without_o approbation_n this_o way_n as_o vain_a hurtful_a and_o superstitious_a thing_n be_v to_o be_v reject_v thus_o write_v tertullian_n mar._n tertullian_n lib._n 4._o con_v mar._n origen_n ler._n origen_n hom._n 3._o in_o ler._n cyprian_n 3._o cyprian_n l._n 2._o ep._n 3._o basil_n 14._o basil_n moral_a sum._n c._n 14._o augustine_n paulin._n augustine_n epist_n 59_o ad_fw-la paulin._n chrisostom_n act._n chrisostom_n hom._n 39_o in_o act._n hilary_n 12._o hilary_n in_o mat._n cap._n 12._o eusaebeus_n 10._o eusaebeus_n li._n 5._o c._n 10._o theophilact_n 7._o theophilact_n in_o 1._o cor._n cap._n 7._o luther_n cap_a luther_n l._n de_fw-fr bab._n cap_a erasmus_n 11._o erasmus_n annot._n in_o mat._n 11._o zanchy_n 4_o zanchy_n in_o praec_fw-la 4_o simler_n 42._o simler_n de_fw-fr duab_n nat_n christ._n p._n 42._o d._n whitaker_n 5._o whitaker_n cont._n 4._o qu._n 5._o mr._n brinsley_n 28._o brinsley_n true_a watch_n p._n 28._o and_o other_o the_o second_o part_n of_o this_o reason_n be_v as_o clear_a as_o the_o sun_n at_o noonday_n and_o can_v with_o any_o modest_a face_n be_v deny_v for_o we_o do_v not_o read_v any_o where_o throughout_o all_o god_n book_n that_o there_o be_v ever_o any_o such_o thing_n impose_v on_o the_o church_n of_o the_o apostolic_a constitution_n or_o that_o it_o be_v at_o any_o time_n practise_v in_o they_o argument_n iii_o if_o baptism_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n succee_v in_o the_o room_n of_o circumcision_n then_o ought_v not_o infant_n to_o be_v baptize_v but_o such_o who_o parent_n be_v one_o at_o least_o member_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o the_o major_n be_v without_o exception_n 2.11_o exception_n col_fw-fr 2.11_o grant_v of_o all_o both_o papist_n 19_o papist_n ferus_fw-la in_o mat._n 28._o v._n 19_o &_o protestant_n 53._o protestant_n aret._n com._n in_o col._n 2.11_o pet._n mart._n loc._n com._n class_n 2._o c._n 6._o p._n 400._o d._n willet_n come_v rom._n 6._o cont._n 6._o pag._n 303._o see_v before_o pag._n 53._o the_o minor_a be_v prove_v by_o proportion_n or_o parity_n thus_o as_o the_o jew_n in_o old_a time_n can_v not_o lawful_o circumcise_v any_o one_o except_o he_o be_v a_o member_n visible_o of_o their_o church_n so_o now_o under_o the_o gospel_n baptism_n administer_v in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n be_v to_o be_v administer_v only_o unto_o the_o member_n thereof_o argument_n iu._n that_o which_o god_n have_v set_v a_o part_n to_o be_v a_o special_a sign_n of_o difference_n to_o distinguish_v the_o child_n of_o the_o church_n from_o they_o without_o ought_v to_o be_v give_v unto_o they_o only_o unto_o none_o else_o but_o god_n have_v set_v baptism_n apart_o for_o such_o a_o end_n therefore_o etc._n etc._n the_o proposition_n be_v without_o all_o controversy_n the_o assumption_n be_v evident_a by_o these_o scripture_n gen_fw-la 17.7.8_o with_o col._n 2.11.12_o rom._n 9.4_o act._n 2.38.39_o and_o 16.15.33_o mat._n 28.19_o moreover_o this_o be_v acknowledge_v for_o a_o sound_a truth_n by_o many_o writer_n viz._n polanus_fw-la 51._o polanus_fw-la synta_n li._n 6._o c._n 51._o d._n ames_n 232._o ames_n de_fw-fr consc_fw-fr l._n 4._o c._n 27._o pag._n 232._o guilliandus_n 4._o guilliandus_n comm._n in_o rom._n 4._o v._n 4._o mr._n bifeild_n 57_o bifeild_n col._n 2._o v._n 12._o p._n 57_o the_o douai_n translator_n 15._o translator_n annot._n on_o gen._n 17._o &_o exod._n 15._o and_o other_o and_o in_o special_a excellent_o paraeus_n baptism_n say_v he_o 14._o he_o comm._n in_o 1._o cor._n 7._o 14._o be_v a_o worthy_a privilege_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o child_n thereof_o whereby_o they_o be_v decern_v from_o the_o child_n of_o unbeliever_n because_o they_o be_v repute_v from_o the_o womb_n in_o the_o holis_fw-la covenant_n with_o their_o parent_n and_o therefore_o be_v baptism_n the_o sign_n of_o the_o covenant_n give_v they_o argument_n v._o what_o act_n soever_o god_n promise_v not_o to_o bless_v that_o may_v not_o be_v do_v but_o he_o promise_v not_o to_o bless_v the_o promiscuous_a baptise_v in_o question_n therefore_o it_o may_v not_o be_v do_v the_o second_o part_n be_v only_o controversall_a which_o i_o manifest_a thus_o if_o there_o be_v no_o precept_n nor_o example_n for_o it_o in_o holy_a record_n then_o there_o be_v no_o promise_n of_o blessing_n make_v to_o it_o but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o the_o premise_n of_o both_o part_n be_v so_o evident_a as_o that_o to_o use_v another_o man_n arg._n man_n mr._n brad._n 12._o arg._n word_n he_o have_v no_o blood_n of_o shame_n run_v in_o his_o vein_n that_o will_v deny_v they_o unto_o the_o former_a reason_n these_o further_a may_v be_v add_v 1._o though_o i_o believe_v as_o augustine_n jerem._n augustine_n epist._n 28._o ad_fw-la jerem._n cyprian_n hid._n cyprian_n epist._n ad_fw-la hid._n cirill_n 8._o cirill_n comment_fw-fr in_o leu._n c._n 8._o origine_fw-la rom._n origine_fw-la comm._n on_o rom._n nazianzene_n lava_n nazianzene_n in_o orat._n in_o s._n lava_n ambrose_n 11_o ambrose_n l._n 2._o de_fw-fr abrah_n c._n 11_o and_o many_o other_o of_o the_o father_n affirm_v that_o the_o church_n have_v receive_v the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n from_o the_o apostle_n notwithstand_v this_o kind_n in_o question_n from_o the_o beginning_n be_v not_o so_o but_o a_o invention_n late_o take_v up_o some_o say_v boniface_n iv_o in_o the_o year_n 606._o bring_v it_o on_o foot_n other_o think_v it_o be_v not_o so_o ancient_a 2._o whereunto_o tend_v it_o but_o to_o induce_v the_o ignorant_a to_o conceive_v with_o the_o papist_n a_o absolute_a necessity_n of_o baptism_n 6.5.14_o baptism_n rhem._n on_o rom._n 6.5.14_o that_o the_o work_v do_v please_v god_n 22.5.1_o god_n id._n act._n 22.5.1_o put_v away_o original_a sin_n 3._o sin_n aqui._n 2._o sen._n do_v 3._o make_v the_o infant_n a_o christian_a and_o a_o member_n 139._o member_n bellar_n de_fw-fr eccl._n mil._n l._n 3._o c._n 3._o p._n 139._o of_o the_o church_n justify_v he_o 9_o he_o rhem._n in_o rom._n 6._o sect._n 1_o pererius_n in_o rom._n 6._o disp_n 2._o annot_v 9_o and_o that_o if_o he_o die_v without_o it_o he_o can_v be_v save_v paradox_n save_v duraeus_n lib._n 8._o the_o paradox_n 3._o this_o custom_n hinder_v many_o parent_n from_o embrace_v the_o way_n and_o order_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o cause_v they_o as_o mr._n davenport_n 6._o davenport_n iust._n compl._n pag._n 6._o true_o say_v to_o live_v and_o die_v libertine_n 4._o by_o this_o mean_v god_n name_n be_v take_v in_o vain_a 106._o vain_a fenner_n princip_n relig._n p._n 96._o and_o 106._o 5._o and_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n great_o abuse_v mal._n 1.7.12_o heb._n 10.29_o 6._o the._n church_n of_o god_n defile_v hag._n 2.14.15_o ezech._n 44.7_o 172._o 44.7_o necs_n disc_fw-la p._n 95._o plain_a declarat_fw-la of_o eccl._n discip_n p._n 172._o 7._o the_o minister_n a_o breaker_n of_o his_o covenant_n mal._n 2.8_o last_o divine_a wrath_n hence_o just_o may_v
be_v fear_v i_o say_v again_o those_o that_o offend_v this_o way_n may_v just_o fear_v god_n punishment_n because_o he_o do_v not_o manifest_v more_o displeasure_n against_o any_o sin_n than_o the_o profanation_n of_o his_o ordinance_n nor_o threaten_v to_o inflict_v soor_a punishment_n upon_o any_o than_o offender_n herein_o 13.10_o herein_o levit._fw-la 10.2.4_o chron._n 13.10_o and_o this_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o sundry_a of_o our_o best_a divine_n viz._n junius_n 27._o junius_n anal._n expl_n levit._fw-la c._n 10_o p._n 27._o brentius_n 4.6_o brentius_n comment_fw-fr in_o am._n c._n 4._o v._n 4.6_o piscator_fw-la 10._o piscator_fw-la observe_v 3._o in_o levit._n 10._o paraeus_n 2.12_o paraeus_n in_o am._n 2.12_o cartwright_n 102._o cartwright_n catech._n pag._n 102._o and_o other_o section_n vi._n howsoever_o i_o can_v be_v well_o contend_v in_o these_o our_o difference_n to_o deal_v with_o mr._n paget_n by_o the_o scripture_n alone_o as_o the_o book_n of_o all_o truth_n know_v as_o augustine_n 9_o augustine_n de_fw-fr doct._n christ_n l._n 2._o c._n 9_o say_v that_o all_o thing_n concern_v faith_n and_o manner_n be_v contain_v in_o they_o notwithstanding_o in_o regard_n he_o 15._o he_o pag._n 15._o vain_o boast_v to_o be_v carry_v away_o with_o the_o stream_n of_o the_o learned_a who_o concur_v in_o judgement_n with_o he_o etc._n etc._n i_o have_v think_v good_a to_o make_v inquiry_n about_o the_o opinion_n of_o man_n in_o this_o matter_n betwixt_o we_o as_o be_v loath_a he_o shall_v oppress_v the_o truth_n and_o make_v all_o man_n afraid_a of_o it_o by_o make_v they_o believe_v that_o be_v desolate_a and_o forsake_v of_o all_o friend_n begin_v therefore_o with_o our_o writer_n i_o judge_v it_o meet_v and_o convenient_a to_o allege_v in_o the_o foremost_a place_n the_o mature_a sentence_n of_o master_n cartwright_n in_o his_o reply_n to_o d._n whitgift_n 1._o whitgift_n pag._n 172._o l._n 1._o he_o write_v thus_o i_o do_v see_v that_o master_n doctor_n do_v make_v of_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n of_o baptism_n which_o be_v a_o entry_n into_o the_o house_n of_o god_n and_o whereby_o the_o family_n of_o god_n must_v only_o that_o only_o note_v that_o enter_v a_o common_a passage_n whereby_o he_o will_v have_v clean_o and_o unclean_a holy_a and_o profane_a as_o well_o those_o that_o be_v without_o the_o covenant_n as_o those_o that_o be_v within_o to_o pass_v by_o and_o so_o make_v the_o church_n no_o household_n but_o a_o inn_n to_o receive_v whosoever_o come_v paget_n come_v just_o so_o do_v mr._n paget_n i_o will_v answer_v therefore_o all_o most_o in_o as_o many_o word_n as_o the_o question_n be_v ask_v if_o one_o of_o the_o parent_n be_v neither_o drunkard_n nor_o adulterer_n the_o child_n be_v holy_a by_o virtue_n of_o the_o covenant_n for_o one_o of_o the_o parent_n sake_n if_o they_o be_v both_o and_o yet_o not_o obstinate_a in_o their_o sin_n whereby_o the_o church_n have_v not_o proceed_v to_o excommunication_n themselves_o yet_o be_v of_o the_o church_n note_n church_n note_n their_o child_n can_v nor_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v refuse_v again_o a_o few_o line_n after_o speak_v of_o papist_n and_o other_o ungodly_a man_n he_o affirm_v absolute_o that_o their_o child_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o next_o place_n we_o will_v consider_v the_o author_n of_o a_o certain_a book_n 111.112_o pag._n 111.112_o entitle_v the_o covenant_n between_o god_n and_o man_n he_o there_o maintain_v this_o point_n which_o we_o here_o profess_v baptism_n say_v he_o be_v to_o be_v administer_v to_o they_o only_o that_o be_v in_o the_o covenant_n and_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v understand_v who_o he_o mean_v to_o be_v in_o the_o covenant_n he_o add_v immediate_o they_o be_v such_o as_o profess_v the_o faith_n join_v themselves_o together_o in_o a_o fellowship_n crave_v to_o have_v their_o name_n enrouled_a and_o register_v in_o the_o church_n and_o so_o partake_v of_o the_o manifold_a grace_n of_o god_n which_o be_v distribute_v therein_o to_o these_o we_o will_v add_v master_n viret_n 230._o viret_n ground_n reli._n p._n 230._o a_o rare_a light_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o partner_n with_o mr._n farell_n in_o plant_v the_o church_n at_o geneva_n before_o calvin_n come_v there_o none_o say_v he_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v but_o the_o child_n of_o the_o faithful_a and_o believer_n all_o except_o these_o be_v to_o be_v instruct_v in_o the_o doctrine_n before_o they_o be_v admit_v thereunto_o piscator_fw-la likewise_o be_v as_o plain_a as_o can_v be_v they_o only_o say_v he_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v which_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n 19_o on_o mat._n ch_z 28._o obse_n in_o v._o 19_o for_o as_o in_o old_a time_n they_o circumcise_v the_o child_n of_o the_o jew_n because_o they_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n and_o covenant_n so_o now_o etc._n etc._n mr._n fenner_n sacra_fw-la fenner_n doct._n of_o the_o sacra_fw-la say_v the_o very_a same_o so_o paraeus_n 3.5_o paraeus_n in_o mat._n 3.5_o erastus_n 18.24_o erastus_n de_fw-fr excom_n p._n 18.24_o melancton_n 383._o melancton_n loc._n com._n pag._n 383._o keckerman_n 453._o keckerman_n system_fw-la theol._n l._n 3._o p._n 453._o speak_v of_o the_o lawfullnes_n of_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n give_v this_o as_o the_o reason_n of_o it_o viz._n because_o they_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n the_o like_a say_n we_o find_v in_o a_o book_n name_v a_o general_a confession_n of_o christian_a church_n because_o god_n receive_v into_o his_o church_n the_o child_n with_o the_o father_n we_o say_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o christ_n infant_n beget_v of_o faithful_a parent_n aught_o to_o be_v baptize_v also_o beza_n 7.14_o beza_n in_o 1._o cor._n 7.14_o say_v such_o as_o do_v permit_v all_o child_n to_o be_v baptize_v do_v a_o thing_n unheard_a off_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n neither_o may_v tertullians_n testimony_n be_v omit_v speak_v as_o junius_n interpret_v he_o of_o such_o child_n as_o be_v stranger_n from_o the_o covenant_n of_o god_n let_v they_o come_v when_o they_o be_v grow_v to_o year_n let_v they_o come_v when_o they_o have_v learn_v and_o be_v teach_v wherefore_o they_o come_v let_v they_o then_o be_v make_v christian_n when_o they_o can_v know_v christ_n moreover_o this_o be_v the_o unanimous_a confession_n of_o all_o the_o reform_a church_n to_o wit_n that_o baptism_n appertain_v to_o such_o infant_n as_o be_v in_o the_o church_n and_o bear_v of_o believer_n and_o for_o this_o reason_n they_o say_v they_o administer_v unto_o they_o the_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n viz._n because_o with_o their_o parent_n they_o be_v receive_v into_o the_o church_n thus_o write_v the_o church_n of_o saxony_n 18._o saxony_n harm_n conf._n art_n 18._o bohemia_n 12._o bohemia_n chapt._n 12._o france_n 35._o france_n art_n 35._o scotland_n 24._o scotland_n harm_n conf._n p._n 24._o helvetia_n 20.21_o helvetia_n art_n 20.21_o and_o belgcik_n 34._o belgcik_n art_n 34._o object_n 1._o but_o this_o thing_n have_v be_v in_o these_o country_n a_o long_a time_n practise_v and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o meet_v that_o so_o ancient_a a_o custom_n shall_v be_v lay_v down_o answ_n 1._o when_o the_o truth_n be_v know_v say_v augustine_n gaudent_fw-la augustine_n l._n 2._o ep._n ad_fw-la gaudent_fw-la let_v custom_n give_v place_n unto_o it_o for_o virg._n for_o ambr._n l._n 4._o virg._n we_o must_v not_o always_o imitate_v whatsoever_o our_o elder_n have_v allow_v but_o try_v by_o the_o scripture_n whither_o the_o thing_n be_v good_a which_o they_o allow_v and_o thus_o do_v these_o church_n church_n church_n a_o general_n confess_v of_o christ._n church_n in_o their_o writing_n profess_v to_o the_o world_n that_o they_o judge_v it_o of_o small_a force_n in_o controversy_n of_o religion_n to_o be_v urge_v with_o the_o bare_a sentenoe_n of_o father_n or_o with_o the_o decree_n of_o council_n much_o less_o with_o receive_a custom_n or_o with_o continuance_n of_o time_n for_o we_o admit_v they_o say_v no_o other_o judge_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n than_o god_n himself_o pronounce_v in_o his_o word_n 2._o by_o this_o custom_n they_o give_v the_o anabaptist_n great_a advantage_n and_o nihilate_v the_o best_a argument_n which_o our_o divine_n use_v against_o they_o for_o the_o lawfullnes_n of_o baptise_v of_o infant_n and_o that_o this_o be_v so_o let_v it_o be_v observe_v that_o the_o reason_n which_o they_o in_o this_o point_n do_v stick_v most_o too_o be_v this_o namely_o that_o child_n of_o christian_n by_o the_o same_o warrant_n 223._o warrant_n calv._n in_o mat._n 18._o v._n 10._o gerhard_n harm_n euang_n c._n 12._o pag._n 352._o cent._n 1._o l._n 2._o c._n 4._o p._n 355._o d._n willet_n on_o rom._n 6._o p._n 303._o cartwr_n christ_n rel._n c._n 37._o p._n 223._o be_v now_o to_o be_v baptize_v that_o the_o infant_n under_o the_o law_n be_v circumcise_v now_o i_o have_v prove_v before_o
2_o sect_n 4._o excommunication_n precise_o and_o chief_o pertain_v to_o the_o church_n and_o that_o she_o have_v authority_n to_o commit_v the_o execution_n thereof_o to_o some_o special_a person_n for_o that_o purpose_n and_o choose_v for_o that_o end_n to_o the_o same_o effect_n willet_n 2._o willet_n synop_n count_v 4._o qu._n 4_o p._n 2._o and_o tailor_n 712._o tailor_n comm._n on_o tit._n ch_z 3._o v._n 10._o p._n 712._o say_v that_o excommunication_n be_v the_o common_a action_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o of_o any_o private_a person_n or_o person_n what_o more_o obvious_a and_o clear_a by_o these_o man_n testimony_n then_o that_o every_o particular_a congregation_n have_v power_n full_o in_o itself_o to_o perform_v all_o god_n ordinance_n but_o have_v not_o mr._n paget_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n just_a cause_n to_o blush_v who_o deny_v to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n that_o due_a power_n which_o the_o learned_a of_o all_o profession_n do_v grant_v unto_o she_o for_o the_o nonconformist_n i_o have_v already_o show_v that_o they_o consent_v full_o with_o we_o 23._o pag._n 23._o notwithstanding_o some_o thing_n more_o i_o will_v here_o speak_v of_o they_o and_o the_o rather_o because_o time_n be_v when_o mr._n paget_n do_v esteem_v they_o to_o be_v a_o multitude_n of_o godly_a and_o learned_a minister_n and_o be_v or_o at_o least_o make_v a_o show_n he_o be_v of_o their_o judgement_n and_o practice_n he_o that_o read_v the_o controversy_n between_o downame_n and_o the_o replyer_n shall_v there_o see_v this_o very_a point_n betwixt_o mr._n paget_n and_o we_o large_o handle_v the_o doctor_n stout_o maintain_v mr._n paget_n position_n viz._n that_o particular_a church_n be_v dependent_a and_o stand_v under_o another_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o the_o other_o say_v otherwise_o and_o often_o affirm_v 104._o affirm_v li._n 2._o par_fw-fr 2._o p._n 104._o that_o the_o administration_n of_o all_o church-matter_n at_o first_o be_v in_o 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officer_n administration_n order_n and_o form_n of_o divine_a worship_n 3._o they_o hold_v that_o christ_n jesus_n have_v not_o subject_v any_o church_n or_o congregation_n of_o he_o this_o note_v this_o to_o any_o other_o superior_a ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n then_o unto_o that_o which_o be_v within_o itself_o so_o that_o if_o a_o whole_a church_n or_o congregation_n shall_v err_v in_o any_o matter_n of_o faith_n or_o religion_n no_o other_o church_n or_o spiritual_a church-officer_n have_v by_o any_o warrant_n from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n power_n to_o censure_v punish_v or_o control_v the_o same_o but_o be_v only_o to_o advise_v they_o and_o so_o to_o leave_v their_o soul_n to_o the_o immediate_a judgement_n of_o christ_n and_o their_o body_n to_o the_o sword_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n etc._n etc._n 4._o they_o hold_v that_o every_o establish_a church_n ought_v as_o a_o special_a prerogive_v wherewith_o she_o be_v endue_v by_o christ_n to_o have_v power_n and_o liberty_n to_o choose_v their_o own_o spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n etc._n etc._n 5._o they_o hold_v that_o if_o in_o this_o choice_n any_o particular_a church_n shall_v err_v that_o none_o upon_o earth_n but_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n to_o control_n or_o correct_v they_o for_o it_o etc._n etc._n 6._o they_o hold_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n and_o minister_n of_o one_o church_n ought_v not_o to_o bear_v any_o ecclesiastical_a office_n in_o another_o but_o aught_o to_o be_v tie_v unto_o that_o congregation_n of_o which_o they_o be_v member_n and_o by_o which_o they_o be_v elect_v into_o office_n etc._n etc._n there_o be_v nothing_o here_o say_v but_o many_o other_o of_o our_o learned_a countryman_n have_v say_v the_o like_a as_o d._n ames_n 29._o ames_n casconsc_n l._n 4._o c._n 29._o mr._n banes_n 4._o banes_n dioces_fw-la trial_o conclus_fw-la 4._o mr._n bates_n 66._o bates_n pag._n 66._o mr._n fenner_n 15.16_o fenner_n against_o bridg_n 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we_o up_o into_o the_o air_n he_o care_v not_o
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viz._n ministers-must_a be_v choose_v with_o the_o free_a consent_n of_o the_o elder_n and_o the_o whole_a congregation_n by_o the_o like_a authority_n as_o they_o be_v elect_v they_o may_v be_v depose_v but_o nothing_o herein_o must_v be_v attempt_v without_o the_o determination_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n what_o those_o synod_n be_v of_o who_o mr._n paget_n speak_v in_o pag._n 66._o who_o decree_v that_o particular_a congregation_n shall_v not_o practice_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n i_o do_v not_o yet_o know_v but_o this_o i_o know_v that_o no_o reform_a church_n have_v make_v this_o a_o article_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v certain_a if_o such_o a_o thing_n be_v it_o be_v only_o the_o invention_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n for_o conclusion_n now_o of_o this_o section_n howsoever_o i_o have_v alleidge_v the_o opinion_n of_o many_o learned_a man_n notwithstanding_o it_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o i_o appeal_v unto_o for_o to_o 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not_o by_o the_o uncertain_a rule_n of_o human_n judgement_n but_o by_o the_o touchstone_n of_o divine_a scripture_n section_n ix_o that_o those_o who_o have_v read_v mr._n pagets_n book_n may_v not_o think_v that_o i_o have_v purposely_o omit_v any_o thing_n his_o jest_n slander_n and_o unchristian_a term_n except_v which_o carry_v with_o it_o the_o show_n of_o any_o matter_n touch_v the_o main_a point_n in_o question_n i_o have_v think_v good_a in_o this_o section_n to_o set_v down_o some_o brief_a answer_n unto_o certain_a colourable_a or_o rather_o carnal_a pretence_n which_o he_o use_v in_o the_o defence_n of_o himself_o and_o cause_n his_o first_o reason_n be_v this_o if_o particular_a preface_n particular_a preface_n congregation_n shall_v not_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o manifold_a disorder_n confusion_n and_o dissipation_n of_o church_n will_v follow_v answ_n 1._o when_o god_n have_v establish_v a_o order_n for_o the_o administration_n of_o his_o own_o house_n what_o presumption_n of_o man_n dare_v change_v it_o think_v he_o that_o he_o be_v wise_a than_o the_o almighty_a and_o can_v by_o his_o foolish_a way_n and_o devise_v bring_v more_o peace_n and_o profit_n to_o god_n house_n than_o the_o way_n of_o the_o all_o wise_a god_n but_o what_o will_v not_o dust_n and_o ash_n presume_v to_o do_v against_o his_o maker_n and_o that_o with_o show_n of_o conveniency_n and_o to_o correct_v and_o reform_v that_o which_o they_o conceive_v to_o be_v imperfect_a in_o his_o do_n but_o it_o seem_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n that_o these_o little_a consider_v how_o straight_o the_o lord_n have_v forbid_v such_o practice_n and_o what_o dreadful_a plague_n he_o threaten_v against_o man_n for_o it_o as_o mr._n paget_n therefore_o wish_v other_o to_o take_v heed_n what_o new_a form_n of_o church_n and_o church-gouvernment_a preface_n preface_n they_o frame_v unto_o themselves_o or_o command_v unto_o other_o so_o i_o desire_v that_o he_o himself_o will_v make_v a_o profitable_a use_n of_o his_o own_o counsel_n 2._o be_v it_o well_o consider_v that_o god_n always_o abhor_v all_o good_a intentes_fw-la of_o man_n that_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o good_a pleasure_n of_o his_o will_n reveal_v in_o his_o word_n the_o church_n say_v whitaker_n 16._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n count_v 4._o qu._n 1._o p._n 16._o must_v not_o be_v gouvern_v as_o the_o wit_n of_o man_n think_v fit_a but_o as_o christ_n the_o lord_n and_o king_n thereof_o will_v have_v it_o 3._o this_o objection_n take_v here_o up_o by_o mr._n paget_n be_v the_o very_a same_o which_o the_o papist_n and_o those_o that_o way_n affect_v use_v for_o to_o have_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n by_o presbyter_n reject_v and_o their_o own_o popish_a hierarchy_n everywhere_o receive_v and_o practise_v viz._n because_o the_o put_n by_o of_o the_o late_a tend_v etc._n tend_v sarav_fw-mi de_fw-mi tripli_v epis_fw-la in_o prologue_n sand._n the_o visibl_n monar_n l._n 5._o c._n 4._o scult_v hier._n anarc_n l._n 10._o c._n 20._o l._n 11.119.137_o etc._n etc._n unto_o all_o mischief_n and_o the_o establish_n of_o the_o former_a 164_o former_a whitg_n tract_n 3._o c._n 4_o div_o 4._o &_o divis_fw-la 8._o pag._n 169._o loe_o compl_a chu_n p._n 164_o cause_v uproar_n in_o the_o church_n dissipate_v it_o and_o overthrow_v all_o good_a order_n therein_o 4._o if_o particular_a congregation_n must_v loose_v their_o right_n and_o power_n because_o of_o the_o offence_n which_o some_o man_n have_v commit_v in_o the_o exercise_n thereof_o then_o sure_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n if_o mr._n pagets_n reason_n be_v worth_a any_o thing_n ought_v class_n and_o synod_n to_o lay_v down_o that_o superior_a authority_n which_o they_o have_v take_v over_o many_o church_n because_o they_o in_o many_o thing_n many_o time_n have_v offend_v in_o and_o about_o the_o execution_n and_o this_o i_o be_o sure_a no_o good_a christian_n will_v deny_v i_o can_v 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sincere_a christian_n before_o arrian_n 7._o arrian_n zezo_n l._n 7._o c._n 7._o and_o be_v themselves_o sound_a in_o the_o faith_n 7._o faith_n theod_n l._n 2._o cap._n 7._o when_o their_o minister_n have_v be_v heretic_n be_v a_o good_a reason_n to_o maintain_v their_o liberty_n still_o another_o thing_n which_o he_o talk_v much_o off_o 72._o pag._n 72._o be_v that_o the_o power_n which_o the_o classis_fw-la exercise_v be_v ancient_a and_o hence_o name_v it_o the_o old_a beat_a path_n 105._o pag._n 105._o etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o sundry_a error_n be_v as_o ancient_a as_o the_o apostle_n time_n yea_o begin_v before_o the_o most_o famous_a church_n in_o the_o world_n be_v plant_v therefore_o as_o cyprian_n 63._o cyprian_n epist._n 63._o say_v we_o must_v not_o regard_v what_o any_o other_o do_v before_o we_o or_o think_v fit_a to_o be_v do_v but_o what_o christ_n do_v who_o be_v before_o all_o 2._o howsoever_o mr._n paget_n for_o the_o credit_n of_o his_o cause_n name_v it_o the_o old_a and_o ancient_a discipline_n yet_o sure_o i_o be_o to_o prove_v it_o so_o he_o never_o will_v nor_o can_v there_o be_v many_o and_o i_o think_v he_o know_v it_o which_o do_v affirm_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n by_o class_n and_o synod_n be_v a_o weed_n that_o grow_v many_o year_n after_o the_o apostle_n a_o late_a devise_n 387_o devise_n bilson_n perp_v gouver_fw-fr c._n 16._o p._n 387_o and_o that_o in_o all_o antiquity_n there_o do_v not_o appear_v any_o one_o step_v thereof_o 138._o thereof_o sutclif_n discipl_n c._n 8._o p._n 138._o also_o that_o at_o geneva_n subject_v of_o church_n to_o this_o order_n first_o begin_v 94._o begin_v brancroft_n surv_v c._n 22._o p._n 353._o comp._n ch._n p._n 91._o 93._o 94._o and_o before_o calvin_n come_v there_o every_o congregation_n be_v free_a in_o itself_o pref._n itself_o hooke_n ecc._n polit._n pref._n touch_v these_o