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A10908 The Protestant Church existent, and their faith professed in all ages, and by whom with a catalogue of councels in all ages, who professed the same. Written, by Henry Rogers D.D. prebendary of Hereford. Rogers, Henry, ca. 1585-1658. 1638 (1638) STC 21178; ESTC S116092 131,830 215

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toletanum_n concilium_fw-la toletanum_n about_o the_o year_n 589._o against_o the_o heresy_n of_o arrius_n which_o council_n make_v a_o most_o sincere_a profession_n of_o their_o faith_n say_v baronius_n a_o 589._o n._n 10._o wherein_o also_o they_o approve_v the_o four_o first_o general_n counsel_n idem_fw-la baronius_n n._n 30._o and_o whereas_o it_o be_v also_o enact_v that_o after_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o east_n this_o profession_n of_o the_o faith_n shall_v be_v make_v always_o before_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o communion_n idem_fw-la n._n 39_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o this_o council_n of_o all_o spain_n the_o king_n ricaredus_n make_v confession_n of_o his_o faith_n confirm_v the_o four_o general_n counsel_n repeat_v the_o nicene_n creed_n and_o the_o constantinoplitane_a creed_n and_o after_o subscribe_v to_o they_o both_o he_o and_o his_o queen_n surius_n tom._n 2_o pag._n 670._o for_o which_o the_o whole_a council_n of_o the_o 72._o bishop_n do_v glorify_v god_n ibid._n 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cap._n 5._o this_o council_n do_v profess_v our_o faith_n and_o receive_v our_o counsel_n and_o sacrament_n though_o they_o add_v five_o sacrament_n more_o read_v surius_n tom._n 4._o sessione_n 3_o 4_o 5._o thus_o have_v i_o travel_v through_o history_n father_n schoolman_n and_o counsel_n to_o satisfy_v the_o demand_n of_o they_o who_o when_o all_o be_v do_v will_v deny_v all_o history_n father_n and_o counsel_n which_o make_v against_o they_o i_o may_v have_v go_v a_o near_a way_n thus_o you_o baptize_v child_n daily_o in_o your_o church_n and_o then_o you_o profess_v my_o faith_n the_o apostle_n creed_n and_o minister_v our_o first_o sacrament_n you_o have_v your_o mass_n or_o common_a prayer_n with_o the_o communion_n often_o in_o your_o church_n than_o also_o you_o profess_v my_o faith_n read_v parcel_n of_o our_o scripture_n and_o minister_v our_o other_o sacrament_n entire_a to_o the_o clergy_n though_o by_o half_n to_o the_o laity_n you_o have_v publish_v many_o missal_n 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