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p._n 16._o l._n 21._o foe_n 1._o r._n 5._o p._n 19_o l._n 28._o r._n praelati_fw-la p._n 31._o l._n 5._o for_o church_n r._n pope_n p._n 33._o l._n 26._o r._n not_o p._n 52._o l._n 23._o for_o man_n r._n pen_n p._n 59_o l._n 27._o r._n successor_n p._n 65._o l._n 4._o r._n by_o p._n 70._o l._n 19_o r._n dowaist_n p._n 76._o l._n 22._o r._n as_o if_o p._n 81._o l._n 22._o r._n mendata_fw-la &_o 24._o r._n us_o p._n 92._o l._n 1._o for_o hope_n r._n pope_n p._n 103._o l._n 1._o r._n be_v p._n 105._o l._n 30._o r._n be_v p._n 122._o l._n 24._o r._n its_o l_o testimony_n p._n 130._o l._n 2._o r._n i_o e._n p._n 133._o l._n 7._o r._n 1_o trow_v p._n 153._o .27_o r._n mediation_n p._n 136._o l._n 28._o r._n mediation_n 137._o l._n 18._o r._n valid_a p._n 144._o l._n 12._o r._n lean_v p._n 170._o l._n 12._o r._n exorcise_v p._n 178._o l._n 10._o r._n name_v 185._o l._n 18._o r._n way_n p._n 189._o l._n 2._o r._n gross_a carnal_a presence_n p._n 215._o l._n 8._o r._n private_a 217._o l._n 25._o r._n rom._n 8.8_o by_o syricius_n p._n 221._o l._n 1._o be_v p._n 222._o l._n 19_o r._n azorius_fw-la l._n 30._o r._n azorius_fw-la p._n 236._o l._n 1._o r._n omit_v p._n 237._o l._n 16._o r._n in_o they_o p._n 239._o l._n 24._o r._n to_o yourselves_o p._n 253._o l._n 22._o r._n unaccompanied_a p._n 259._o l._n 24._o r._n seven_o p._n 275._o l._n 20._o r._n individed_a p._n 286._o l._n 9_o r._n he_o have_v p._n 291._o l._n 1._o r._n shall_v not_o p._n 292._o l._n 1._o &_o 5._o r._n taste_n p._n 310._o l._n 23._o r._n not_o without_o p._n 312._o l._n 1._o r._n again_o p._n 317._o l._n 15._o deal_n he_o p._n 321._o l._n 2._o &_o 7._o r._n meanness_n p._n 329._o l._n 11._o r._n she_o p._n 343._o l._n 10._o r._n bring_v p._n 347._o l._n 12._o for_o three_o r._n three_o p._n 351._o l._n 2._o r._n term_v l._n 4._o r._n suppose_v
and_o every_o thing_n in_o it_o and_o consequent_o that_o the_o creature_n do_v full_o represent_v the_o divine_a essence_n and_o yet_o the_o scripture_n tell_v we_o that_o none_o can_v see_v god_n and_o live_v 2._o it_o be_v untrue_a that_o in_o see_v the_o divine_a essence_n you_o see_v all_o its_o effect_n ibid._n aquin._n 1._o part_n 7.12_o art_n 8._o per_fw-la tot_fw-la &_o cajet_fw-fr ibid._n aquinas_n demonstrate_v the_o contrary_a by_o the_o example_n of_o the_o angel_n who_o see_v the_o divine_a essence_n yet_o be_v ignorant_a of_o future_a contingency_n and_o the_o thought_n of_o the_o heart_n and_o he_o further_o show_v that_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a that_o he_o that_o see_v a_o glass_n shall_v see_v all_o thing_n in_o the_o glass_n unless_o he_o perfect_o comprehend_v the_o glass_n in_o his_o sight_n now_o there_o be_v no_o creature_n that_o do_v perfect_o comprehend_v god_n cyril_n excellent_o set_v this_o forth_o of_o the_o angel_n speak_v of_o god_n 169._o cyril_n hieros_n catech._n 7._o p._n 169._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n who_o face_n the_o angel_n do_v perpetual_o see_v in_o heaven_n but_o they_o see_v every_o one_o according_a to_o the_o measure_n of_o his_o own_o degree_n but_o the_o sublime_a splendour_n of_o the_o fatherly_a vision_n its_o lawful_a only_o for_o the_o son_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n to_o behold_v do_v you_o think_v that_o the_o saint_n see_v in_o god_n the_o thought_n of_o man_n heart_n yet_o many_o prayer_n be_v no_o more_o but_o the_o inward_a groan_n of_o the_o heart_n if_o you_o say_v they_o do_v then_o according_a to_o aquinas_n they_o arrogate_v that_o which_o be_v proper_a to_o god_n if_o not_o than_o they_o see_v not_o all_o the_o efect_n in_o god_n and_o you_o have_v not_o give_v we_o any_o distinction_n of_o effect_n visible_a or_o not_o visible_a 3._o object_n you_o say_v it_o will_v be_v oppose_v if_o saint_n and_o angel_n have_v not_o man_n prayer_n before_o god_n propose_v they_o he_o know_v they_o beforehand_o whence_o may_v be_v infer_v that_o their_o intercession_n be_v needless_a answ_n 1._o god_n foresight_n of_o man_n prayer_n make_v not_o the_o intercession_n of_o saint_n and_o angel_n any_o way_n unprofitable_a and_o fruitless_a inasmuch_o as_o the_o effect_n intend_v thereby_o be_v not_o to_o better_a god_n understanding_n but_o to_o obtain_v from_o his_o bless_a will_n mercy_n and_o compassion_n etc._n etc._n reply_v 1._o the_o objection_n do_v not_o refer_v to_o god_n foresight_n mere_o which_o may_v be_v from_o all_o eternity_n he_o foresee_v all_o thing_n before_o they_o be_v but_o to_o god_n actual_a receive_n of_o they_o from_o we_o and_o so_o propose_v they_o to_o the_o saint_n now_o i_o assert_v that_o this_o do_v make_v the_o intercession_n of_o saint_n and_o angel_n unprofitable_a yea_o no_o intercession_n for_o first_o according_a to_o papist_n the_o reason_n why_o we_o look_v for_o a_o intercessor_n be_v this_o we_o dare_v not_o come_v to_o god_n immediate_o hence_o be_v that_o courtlike_a instance_n and_o frequent_o urge_v of_o a_o subject_n who_o not_o dare_v to_o come_v into_o the_o presence_n of_o the_o king_n immediate_o present_v his_o petition_n to_o some_o of_o his_o courtier_n and_o by_o he_o to_o the_o king_n but_o here_o forget_v your_o instance_n you_o first_o present_v your_o petition_n to_o the_o king_n make_v he_o your_o letter_n carrier_n to_o his_o courtier_n and_o this_o say_v you_o for_o this_o end_n that_o his_o courtier_n may_v move_v his_o goodness_n which_o how_o rational_a it_o be_v let_v the_o simple_a of_o your_o synagogue_n judge_n 2._o according_a to_o your_o rhemist_n the_o property_n of_o a_o mediator_n or_o intercessor_n be_v to_o offer_v up_o our_o prayer_n to_o god_n now_o he_o that_o offer_v up_o any_o thing_n to_o another_o do_v not_o immediate_o receive_v his_o offering_n from_o he_o to_o who_o he_o offer_v but_o from_o he_o for_o who_o he_o offer_v to_o say_v saint_n receive_v prayer_n from_o god_n that_o they_o may_v offer_v they_o to_o god_n be_v very_o harsh_a and_o unscripturall_a language_n reply_v 2._o if_o our_o prayer_n go_v immediate_o to_o god_n and_o then_o to_o saint_n and_o they_o immediate_o obtain_v from_o god_n bless_a will_n mercy_n and_o compassion_n from_o we_o what_o room_n have_v christ_n for_o his_o intercession_n or_o how_o be_v saint_n mediatores_fw-la ad_fw-la mediatorem_fw-la it_o be_v difficult_a to_o set_v up_o saint_n as_o intercessor_n and_o not_o to_o nullify_v the_o intercession_n of_o christ_n jesus_n but_o you_o urge_v prince_n have_v often_o notice_n of_o subject_n imprisonment_n and_o condemnation_n yet_o seldom_o give_v reprive_v of_o inlargement_n but_o at_o the_o entreaty_n of_o some_o friend_n or_o favourite_n reply_v 1_o prince_n do_v not_o usual_o receive_v and_o deliver_v petition_n direct_v to_o their_o favourite_n that_o thereby_o their_o favourite_n may_v move_v they_o to_o compassion_n 2._o prince_n often_o give_v reprieve_n or_o inlargement_n at_o the_o entreaty_n of_o the_o imprison_a or_o condemn_v 3._o the_o apostle_n tell_v we_o clear_o who_o be_v that_o favourite_n that_o receive_v our_o petition_n do_v procure_v reprieve_n or_o enlargement_n for_o guilty_a sinner_n viz._n jesus_n christ_n the_o righteous_a 1_o john_n 2.1_o 2._o you_o answer_v man_n be_v wish_v yea_o warrant_v to_o pray_v for_o one_o another_o 1_o tim._n 2._o notwithstanding_o god_n have_v the_o foresight_n of_o their_o want_n and_o necessity_n reply_v 1_o for_o shame_n do_v not_o thus_o fight_v with_o your_o own_o shadow_n what_o protestant_a doubt_n of_o god_n foresight_n of_o prayer_n or_o who_o assert_n that_o prayer_n be_v for_o the_o better_n of_o god_n understanding_n 2._o when_o man_n pray_v one_o for_o another_o they_o have_v not_o the_o sight_n of_o your_o supercelestial_a utopian_a looking-glass_n but_o be_v by_o their_o friend_n acquaint_v with_o their_o want_n they_o be_v entreat_v to_o join_v with_o they_o in_o seek_v god_n mercy_n through_o jesus_n christ_n 3._o you_o answer_v david_n adultery_n and_o guilt_n of_o blood_n be_v in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n unpardoned_a till_o after_o a_o low_a humiliation_n and_o a_o hearty_a acknowledgement_n of_o his_o fault_n 1_o king_n 12._o reply_n this_o be_v nothing_o to_o purpose_n shall_v pass_v unanswered_a till_o you_o can_v make_v it_o appear_v more_o material_a 5._o objection_n the_o five_o objection_n be_v the_o roman_a church_n entertain_v division_n and_o contrariety_n in_o religion_n the_o dominican_n maintain_v a_o physical_a predetermination_n the_o jesuit_n a_o moral_a those_o that_o the_o virgin_n mary_n be_v conceive_v in_o original_a sin_n these_o that_o she_o be_v prevent_v by_o grace_n and_o conceive_v in_o the_o same_o and_o if_o this_o be_v not_o enough_o to_o infer_v contrariety_n in_o religion_n several_a counsel_n have_v contradict_v each_o other_o answ_n 1._o not_o every_o difference_n but_o a_o difference_n in_o point_n of_o faith_n make_v division_n and_o contrariety_n in_o religion_n the_o dominican_n and_o jesuit_n only_o quarrel_n about_o opinion_n it_o be_v not_o matter_n of_o belief_n that_o god_n predestination_n be_v physical_a or_o moral_a or_o that_o the_o bless_a virgin_n be_v conceive_v in_o original_a sin_n or_o grace_n these_o be_v mere_a school_n nicety_n and_o not_o at_o all_o destructive_a to_o that_o unity_n which_o catholic_n so_o much_o reverence_n in_o religion_n reply_v 1_o you_o deal_v deceitful_o with_o your_o follower_n and_o we_o in_o make_v your_o many_o division_n to_o seem_v few_o and_o your_o great_a one_o small_a be_v the_o difference_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n only_o two_o viz._n about_o predetermination_n and_o the_o virgin_n mary_n whosoever_o read_v azorius_n moral_n but_o especial_o bellarmine_n controversy_n shall_v find_v scarce_o one_o point_n of_o divinity_n wherein_o there_o be_v not_o difference_n among_o papist_n some_o have_v number_v 300._o different_a 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