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A41785 The prisoner against the prelate, or, A dialogue between the common goal [ie. gaol] and Cathedral of Lincoln wherein the true faith and Church of Christ are briefly discovered & vindicated ... / written by a prisoner of the baptised churches in Lincolnshire. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1662 (1662) Wing G1543; ESTC R14165 45,998 94

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deem Than other places this though strange it seem I can prove true for in the Gospel day Distinctions of this kind are done away Cathederal It seems then I no holier am then thou In thy conceit but Scripture doth us show There 's holy ground as well as ground prophane Place where God will be worship'd and again Place where he will no Sacrifice accept But th'Off'rer and th' Oblation both reject Jayle The Scripture shews that such esteem there WAS Of Place but shews that such esteem should pass Away from Christians wherefore I say Thy Ground or Place no holier is this day Than other places wherefore every where Men may with holy hearts in prayer appear Cathederal My Place must needs be holy for this cause It builded was therein to teach Gods Laws It consecrated was also by those Whom God to minister his Word there chose So was not every place then thou dost ill Thus to compare thy Place with this my Hill Jayle Were all this proved which thou never can Yet mine 's as holy seeing such a man As Christ hath sanctifi'd each place so far As therein he 'll accept of holy Prayer And Paul i' th Jayle at Midnight sang an Hymn Such as few singers ever sang in thine Cathederal Well I perceive I must with thee engage In a Religious contest ere this Age Doth terminate Then let us now propose The Point to be Disputed and then close In Argument The Question then shall he About the Church Whether 't be Me or Th●e Jayle No Question like to this the Church once found Will for our finding all Truth prove a Ground So clear that we no Truth shall need to know But she will strait be ready it to show Then fit thy self thy Church for to maintain For that 's the thing I question to be plain Cathederal Dost question that then that will I defend Against thy Opposition Now descend To some particularities that we The reason of thy doubt may fully see And fairely Answer Then let 's see the ground Thou hast to prove thy Church and Doctrine sound Jayle Well then the first place where I shall detect thee For no true Church now let who can protect thee Is thy Minority or want of Age To be esteemed for that Matron sage Espous'd to Christ 'bove sixteen hundred years Ago whilst thou as yesterday appears Cathederal Blis me Did ever any creature know A Jayl that had a more unshamefac'd brow Than thou in this What do not I well know ye To be of Leidens breed of Munster trow ye For shame leave talking of Antiquity Thou art in no respect so old as I. Jayle Alas I see thou knowst me not i' th least Whilst thou deriv'st my line from that mad beast Of Munster ' gainst whose pranks I did protest Even in those dayes as Cassander hath prest Me forth in Print and sith he doth acquit me Thy Callumny in this case cannot hit me Cathederal What wilt deny thy Father do not each My Pulpits sound thee forth when there I preach For such an Upstart Yea my Doctors all There shew thy Radix this their Volumns shall Attest yea th'Papists whom thou sayst acquit thee Say Munster as thy Patriarch befits thee Jayle Thy Doctors and the Papists sometimes say I am no older than that Germans fray Yet otherwhile they both confess I came Down from th'Apostls times now then for shame Insist not on their witness which appears In its Concordance like two Dogs by th' ears Cathederal Sure thou dost wrong both Papists and my Men Beware how thou dost thus imploy thy Pen For if thou shew not from sufficient ground Where they themselvs in this case thus confound I will requite thee as a false accuser And of these reverend Clerks a great abuser Jayle First Willet in 's Synopsis Papismi Opposing Papists 'bout Antiquity Observes that Bernard names some Sectaries Who Pedobaptisme did much despise They 'r call'd Apostolicks because 't is thought From th'Postles times these Sectaries came out Cathederal I find that Willet speaks to this effect But those bore not the name of thy proud Sect Men may deny to baptize Infants so They may deny Believers Baptism too So then this Instance thee no way assists Vnless these men were prov'd Anabaptists Jayle The Papists in their Book of Motives say Th'Apostolicks were such as at this day Are called Anabaptists yea that name They do expresly give them and the same Thy old Friend Marbeck gives to some in Rome In Anno Dom. One hundred fifty one Cathedral I read these Books and must confess I find These things are so What then Thou art behind Some which do boast of their Antiq●ity From such like proves to wit the Papacy But yet all this cannot evince the truth Of their Church-state nor yet of thine forfooth Jayle If I no better Plea in this respect Can shew than th'Papists thou shalt me reject As one that 's noval but at present I Am not engag'd for my Antiquity 'T is thou O Minster which must now engage To prove thy self Christs Church in point of age Cathederal Come on I reason thus from Featly's mouth That Church is of full age whose Doctrine's Truth Perpetual unchanged and I say Such is my Doctrine wherefore now I may Conclude with him that thus my Church is true Thy Answer now bring forth to open view Jayle I do deny thy Minor and I say Thy Doctrine which gives enterance to thy way Of Church-ship is not true nor yet so old As in the Scriptures to be found enrol'd For thou without Christs Soul-converting Word Thy Church with carnal members hast bestor'd Cathederal 'T is true my Members now are wholly such When I receive them as no word can touch In order to Conversion yet I say The holy Scripture will evince my way Was not our Father Abra'm and his Seed Brought into one Church-state search now and read Jayle I search and find That unto every Nation To every Creature good news of Salvation For Faith and for Repentance must be taught Before into Christs Church they can be brought Contrary-wise 't is clear that Abr'ams Seed Had no such Obligation that we read Cathederal The Parents do believe and so the Child For Abra'ms Seed in Holy Writ are stil'd Gods Covenant which Abram is the same That 's made with us now therefore here again See how thou err'st making Parental-Faith So needful to let in to th'Churches Path. Jayle The Scripture shews most plain that Abrams Seed In Gospel-times are such as own his Creed Also the Scriptures quite dissolve that Plea Of Parent-interest in a Gospel-day The Jews are Abrams Seed and yet 't is plain That makes them not in 's Covenant remain Cathederal I tell thee Christian-Infants are as free To Gospel-Priviledges as we see The Children of the Jewes were in their time To Legal Rites thus doth my Doctrine shine And is most Antient being not deny'd Till such
Then I went to th' Quire Where I saw many men in black attire These took a little room one after other And hereupon I did a little hover To see the period of that Conventicle Or-Private Meeting staying there a little I saw their black all covered with white And some so drest they did me somewhat fright For they had things upon them of the shape Of black Sheep-skins which hung down as the cape Of Cloaks save that they reached to their ham● Where hung a black tail like unto a Rams Some others had long shreds of black upon them Like Hanging-sleeves which hung down al along With cov'red Caps such as I never saw them ' Mongst men that feared God kept his Law And some had red clothes girt about their shoulders Which seemed very strange to some beholders And chiefly for because the Protestants So frequently against the Pope descants With merry songs because of such like dressings As th' Papists use when they go to Mass-blessings Yet thus array'd themselvs did now address them Into the Quire pray'd the Lord to bless them And by and by I heard some Pipes resounding Unto the Singers Voic●s quite confounding At which indeed I stood as 't were amazed And on these roaring Instruments I gazed As also on the Quire of Singing-Boyes Until my head was ' stonish'd with the noise For little else in truth could I retain And so I thought to tarry there 't was vain Lord this I speak to thee as not but knowing How they behave themselvs but whilst thus showing Their strange deportments I do oft propose Vnto my self such Questions as those What if our Lord should come and view these men And hear their Musick and demand of them Who 't was commanded them thus to be drest And use those Pipes when they came to be blest What Answer could they make This I must say Were my case theirs I 'd blush and run away If that be true which some men do conjecture That John yet lives and should come to their Lecture Could John suppose this Church was of his founding Or would he close with th' Pipes mellodious sounding Or bear a part i' th' Song which these men sing Or would he not as one amazed fling Out of their Quire Doubtless all wise men think The last most likely except those that wink At that clear Light which John hath set before him In Christs behalf how men ought to adore him Imagine Peter should among them stand In 's Fishers coat and there but take in hand A Text to open would not such a sight Put these brave Gallants to a ghastly fright But were this Generation truly lighted They would see much more cause to be affrighted At those who love to walk in Garments long As did the Pharisees which us'd to wrong The People of God's Word and took the Key Of Knowledg quite away lest men should weigh And ponder their Devices and Traditions And so discern their peccant Superstitions Admit a pious Christian should come In Shepherds russit-garb into their Room And having of the Fathers free Donation Receiv'd a proper gift of Exhortation Would not these Queristers strait thrust him thence Should he his Gift but offer to dispense And for his Coat-sake Truth would be dispised A trick by Satan heretofore devised Lord see to what a pass poor mans inventions Hath brought us sith they serve but for preventious To us from exercising of our Talents Unless we be array'd like these brave Gallants Lord at this door of man's Imaginations Hath crept in many great Prevarications Under the specious name of Decency And honouring of thy Name more reverently But these pretences those ill fruits have born Mens wayes have got th' applause and thine the scorn It is so at this day O Lord behold it For men are grown too lofty to be told it Though they the bitter fruits thereof do feel And must feel more and more until they reel Into the ditch For this Lord thou hast said Shall be the end of such as void have made Thy holy Word that they their own Tradition May here observe though unto their perdition Unless it please thee by thy Gospel-sentence To call them timely unto true Repentance FINIS * ג ב א α. β. γ. Aug. De Civ Dei lib. 18. cap. 43 44. 2 Cor. 3. First Argum. from Antiquity See the London Apology Printed in the Year 1648. Featly against Fisher Mat. 3. See the Vulgar Catechisme in the Common-Prayer-Book * Viz. A Sucking-Child Acts 10. 36 37. Rev. 3. 17 2. Cor. 5. 19 20. Rev. 18. 3 J●h 3. 8. Certam Relig. Bell. de Bapt. S. N. Antidote T. B. End to Controv. Mat 28. 19. Acts 16. Act. 2. 38 39. 1 Cor. 7. 14. Acts 16. 14 15 32 23 34 40. 1 Reason 2 Reason Tertul. chap. 39. Augustin Vives Grotius judgment on points controv p. 91. See Den contra Marshal See a book called a wel grounded Treatise of Bapt. August Contess Isa 29. 15 1 Cor. 1. 29 26 27 28. a Jerom in Mar 28 b Justin Mart. in Orat. ad Autho. pium c Ath●n Serm 3. contra Arian d Haim in Mat 28 e Rab. decret f Beda in Act. 19 g Strig in Act. 8. h Euseb Eccles hist l. 6. i Basil l. 3. cont Eunomi k Aug. ad Salcot l Cyp. Epist ad Magnus Fab. 5th part f●l 107. Fox Acts Mon. See vulg Catechise in Com. p●ayer-book 1 Pet. 1. 5. 2 Cor 4. 5 1 Cor. 8. 6 Isa 40. 28 Athanasin Symb. Aug. de Civitar Dei chap 11. and chap. 24. Gen. 1. 31 Eccles 7. 29. Gen. 2. 27 3. 17 18 19. Aug cont Advers l. 1. c. 16. Ambros in 1 Cor 15. 22. Luke 20. 24. Rev. 22. 16. 1 Tim. 2. 5 6. Heb 2. 9. 1 Joh. 2. 2. Aug. de Civitat Dei l. 18. c. 46. lib. 1● cap. 11. lib. 11. c. 2. 1 Tim. 2. 4 Mark 16. 25. 2. Pet. 2. 1. Joh. 3. 18 3. 17. 1. 7. Act. 17. 30 1 Joh. 5. 10. Heb. 3. 10 18 19. Ambr. in 1 Tim. 2. Ambr. l. 3 de Fide cap. 4. ●ug tom 7. Artic. falso Act. If. 22 23 24. Acts 11. 19 20. 13 2 3 1. 23. 1 Cor. 1. 19 21. 1 Cor. 2. 1 4 5. Rom. 2. 21. Eus●● 〈◊〉 l. c. 11. Eccius Book of Obead fol. 19. Rom. 5. 1 2 Cor. 5. 15. Rom 4. 22 23 24 Rom. 3. 25 26. Aug. in verb Dom serm 40. Aug. lib. cont Felag c. 21. Greg. l. 6 ep 15. Eph. 4. 4. Act 5. 31. 1 Cor. 6. 11. Gal 5. 22. 23. Aug. de Civ Dei l. 11. c. 10 Rupert in Apoc. c. 13. Bernard serm conver Paul Joh. 3. 16. Eph. 1 4. 2 Thess 2. 13. Rom 9. 11 Psal 4. 3. Amb. in Tit. 3. Jerom apol ad Ruffin August Jude 4. 2 Thess 2 10 11 12. Rom. 2. 9 10 11. Amb. l. 2. de vocat Gent. c. 1. c. 2. Aug 1 Cor. 15. 22. Mat. 19. 14. Aug cont ad vers Aug. Mat. 28. 19 20. Mark 16. 16. Acts 2. 38 Acts 8. 12 18. 12. Gal. 4. 22 23 24. Matth. 3. 8 9. Eph. 5. 11 Jerom in Mat. 28. Council of Worms chap. 5. Wilfrid Strabo de rebus Eccles c. 26 Heb. 6. 1 2. Acts 8. 12 5 17. Acts 19 6. 2 Tim 1 6 Rom. 8. 13. Jerom ad Lucif Aug de Bapt. l. 3. c. 16. Eras paraph on Heb. 6. 1 2. Act. 2. 42. Hillary contra Auxent Tertull. Apol. c. 29 Heb. 12. 14 Isa 1. 11 12 15 16 Aug. de Civ Dei l. 21. c. 25 Prosp in l. de sent Act. 14. 23 Ezek. 34. 2 3. 2 Cor. 12 14. Ezek. 34. Hieron● ep ad Evag Con. Carthagene●s can 22. Con. Cahil c. 6. Con. Carthag can 51 53. 1 Cor. 9. 17. ver 11. G●l 6. 6. Aug. in Psal 13. B●rnard Tit. 3. 10 11. 2 Thess 3. 6. Rom. 16. 17. Decret Greg. 5. tit 39. cap. 59. Aug de Bapt. l. 3. c. 13. Joh. 15. 1 2 3 4. 5 1 Tim 1. 5 6 7. John 15. 6. 2 Pet. 1. 5 6 7. Aug. de corep gra c. 13. Bernard ep 42. ● Cor. 9. 7 1 Cor. 8. 11 12. Acts 6. 1 2 3 4 5. 1 Tim. 2. 9 10. 1 Pet. 3. 3 Job 31. 14 I●noc 3. dec Greg l 1. c. 14. Lactant. Fi●mian Aug. ep c 6. con cabil c. 6 Isa 26. 19 Act. 24. 15 1 Cor. 15. 21 22 42 43 44 49 Aug. de Civ Dei l. 22. c. 21. 2 Tim. 4. 1 Heb. 7. 27. 2 Cor. 5. 10. Aug. de Civ Dei lib. 20. c. 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21. Aug. de Civ Dei l. 21. c. 2. Acts 1. 3. Luke 24. 51. Acts 1. 9 10 11. Col. 3. 4. Re● 19. 16. Psal 22. 28. Zech. 14. 9. Psa 72. 4 Rev. 5. 10 13. 15. 1 Cor. 3. 22 23. Dan. 7. 27 Rev. 2. 26 27. L●dovic Vives coment on Aug. de civit Dei l. 20. c. 7. 2 Tim. 3. 15 16 17. Joh. 20. 31 Isa 8. 20. Jerome Tom 6 in Jer. c. 9. Amb. de incarnat c. 9. Aug. in Psal 6● Mat. 7. 12 13. 29 30 38 39 Hill cont Auxent Chrisost Hom. 47. in Mat. 13. August ep 58. Lactant. Firmian Divin Instit lib. 5. cap. 21. 1 Pet. 2. 14. Tit. 3. 1. 1 Pet. 2. 13. Act. 5. 29. L●odens Ep cont Paschal 2 Tertull. Apol. c. 30 Plin. lib. 10 ep 317 1. 2. 3. 4.