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his_o undue_a and_o uncomely_a reflection_n the_o haughty_a bitter_a wrathful_a frothy_a and_o provoke_a spirit_n he_o appear_v in_o through_o the_o whole_a book_n sâ—_n unbecoming_a christian_a candour_n his_o holy_a profession_n or_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o ordinance_n treat_v of_o i_o shall_v the_o beast_n concern_v myself_o about_o but_o leave_v it_o to_o he_o that_o can_v convince_v and_o will_v certain_o reckâ—n_v for_o such_o hard_a speech_n for_o his_o name_n sake_n and_o rather_o so_o far_o as_o concern_v myself_o with_o job_n to_o bind_v it_o about_o i_o for_o a_o crown_n job_n 31.36_o and_o as_o exhort_v mat._n 5._o to_o rejoice_v to_o be_v account_v worthy_a to_o suffer_v contempt_n &_o reproach_n for_o the_o truth_n sake_n etc._n etc._n then_o to_o render_v rail_a for_o rail_a it_o be_v also_o ever_o judge_v the_o sign_n of_o a_o bad_a cause_n for_o person_n to_o betake_v themselves_o to_o such_o course_n and_o thereby_o to_o supply_v the_o want_n of_o matter_n and_o 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cujus_fw-la extant_a in_fw-la lucam_fw-la
commentarii_fw-la adamantii_fw-la titulo_fw-la for_o so_o he_o seem_v to_o think_v whosoever_o he_o be_v who_o commentary_n be_v extant_a upon_o luke_n under_o the_o title_n of_o adamantius_n which_o show_v say_v he_o that_o erasmus_n take_v they_o not_o to_o be_v origen_n or_o at_o least_o doubt_v thereof_o vossius_fw-la vossius_fw-la and_o vossius_fw-la disputatio_fw-la 14._o sect._n 8._o p._n 181._o say_v thus_o have_v cite_v origen_n whole_a testimony_n out_o of_o luke_n etc._n etc._n sed_fw-la de_fw-la origene_n minus_fw-la laborabimus_fw-la quia_fw-la quae_fw-la citabimus_fw-la graece_fw-la non_fw-la extant_a but_o we_o care_v the_o less_o for_o origen_n because_o the_o thing_n we_o cite_v be_v not_o extant_a in_o the_o greek_a and_o scultetus_n scultetus_n scultetus_n in_o his_o medul_n pat._n l._n 6._o c_o 2._o cum_fw-la graeca_n originis_fw-la opera_fw-la non_fw-la extant_a hodie_fw-la &_o quibus_fw-la latina_n versio_fw-la corrigi_fw-la possit_fw-la &_o emendari_fw-la that_o origen_n work_v in_o greek_a be_v not_o at_o present_a extant_a by_o which_o the_o latin_a uâ—rsion_n may_v be_v correct_v and_o amend_v and_o erasmus_n erasmus_n erasmus_n atque_fw-la utinam_fw-la extarent_fw-la graeca_n originis_fw-la monument_n quo_fw-la ruffinicas_fw-la art_n possemus_fw-la deprehenâ—ere_fw-la and_o i_o wish_v that_o the_o greek_a copy_n of_o origen_n be_v extant_a that_o so_o we_o may_v thereby_o discover_v the_o cheat_v of_o ruffinus_n sin_n 3._o origen_n be_v more_o a_o pelagian_a tâ—â—n_n to_o assert_v original_a sin_n but_o serond_o there_o be_v good_a reason_n to_o question_n that_o those_o thing_n about_o infant_n baptism_n be_v not_o origen_n from_o the_o reason_n that_o be_v add_v to_o they_o viz._n to_o take_v away_o original_a sin_n whereas_o it_o be_v so_o well_o know_v that_o origen_n be_v not_o only_o a_o great_a arian_n but_o the_o very_a fountain_n and_o head_n of_o they_o as_o jerom_n and_o epiphanius_n call_v he_o magdeb._n century_n 3._o p._n 261._o etc._n etc._n but_o notorious_o do_v deny_v original_a sin_n as_o pag._n 265._o and_o therefore_o do_v doctor_n owin_n in_o his_o display_v of_o arianism_n ch_n 12._o say_v nor_n do_v origen_n pelaginise_v a_o little_a only_a but_o be_v suppose_v first_o to_o have_v bring_v pelaginisme_n into_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o do_v vossius_fw-la in_o his_o history_n of_o pelaginisme_n l._n 4._o th._n 6._o pag._n 153._o so_o much_o question_n whether_o those_o passage_n in_o his_o work_n mention_v infant_n baptism_n can_v be_v his_o upon_o the_o account_n of_o pelaginisme_n by_o all_o which_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o that_o the_o judicious_a reader_n will_v conclude_v there_o be_v a_o good_a ground_n to_o judge_v this_o testimony_n of_o origen_n upon_o all_o these_o account_n to_o be_v as_o invallid_a and_o insignificant_a as_o the_o former_a and_o that_o as_o yet_o we_o have_v not_o the_o least_o evidence_n to_o prove_v this_o our_o unwriten_v tradition_n to_o be_v apostolical_a the_o last_o and_o chief_a examine_v cyprian_n testimony_n examine_v that_o be_v pretend_v to_o warrant_v this_o a_o apostolic_a tradition_n be_v that_o of_o cyprian_a in_o his_o and_o his_o 66._o bishop_n epistle_n to_o fidus_n who_o be_v place_v by_o usher_n in_o the_o middle_n of_o the_o three_o century_n 250._o wherein_o it_o be_v say_v to_o this_o purpose_n viz._n that_o it_o seem_v good_a not_o only_o to_o himself_o epistle_n a_o epitome_n of_o his_o epistle_n but_o a_o whole_a council_n that_o infant_n may_v be_v baptize_v before_o the_o eight_o day_n &_o the_o reason_n to_o enforce_v it_o be_v these_o that_o follow_n first_o because_o the_o baptism_n be_v simpe_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n second_o that_o it_o wash_v away_o original_a sin_n so_o as_o it_o be_v never_o to_o be_v impute_v more_o three_o because_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n be_v tender_v to_o all_o therefore_o all_o child_n shall_v be_v baptize_v four_o because_o child_n have_v lesser_a sin_n than_o other_o and_o 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congregation_n of_o the_o people_n of_o god_n their_o profess_v and_o declare_v open_o our_o faith_n and_o amendment_n of_o life_n we_o esteem_v for_o a_o abomination_n and_o antichristian_a all_o humane_a invention_n as_o a_o trouble_n and_o prejudice_n to_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o spirit_n when_o humane_a tradition_n be_v observe_v for_o god_n ordinance_n then_o be_v he_o worship_v in_o vain_a as_o es_fw-ge 19_o matth._n 15._o and_o which_o be_v do_v when_o grace_n be_v attribute_v to_o the_o external_n ceremony_n and_o person_n enjoin_v to_o partake_v of_o sacrament_n without_o faith_n and_o truth_n that_o antichrist_n attribute_n the_o regeneration_n of_o the_o holy_a spirit_n unto_o the_o dead_a outward_a work_n of_o baptise_v child_n into_o that_o faith_n and_o teach_v that_o thereby_o baptism_n and_o regeneration_n must_v be_v have_v ground_v therein_o all_o his_o christianity_n which_o be_v against_o the_o holy_a spirit_n what_o he_o make_v their_o confession_n to_o be_v p._n 45_o etc._n etc._n god_n have_v ordain_v certain_a sacrament_n to_o be_v join_v with_o the_o word_n as_o a_o mean_n to_o unite_v we_o unto_o and_o to_o make_v we_o partaker_n of_o his_o benefit_n and_o that_o there_o be_v only_o two_o of_o they_o we_o do_v believe_v that_o in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n water_n be_v the_o visible_a and_o external_a sign_n which_o represent_v unto_o we_o that_o which_o be_v within_o viz._n renovation_n of_o the_o spirit_n and_o mortification_n of_o our_o member_n in_o jesus_n christ_n we_o esteem_v for_o a_o abomination_n and_o antichristian_a all_o humane_a invention_n as_o a_o trouble_n and_o prejudice_n to_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o spirit_n when_o humane_a tradition_n be_v observe_v for_o god_n ordinance_n then_o be_v he_o worship_v in_o vain_a as_o es_fw-ge 19_o mat._n 15._o and_o which_o be_v do_v when_o grace_n be_v attribute_v to_o the_o external_n ceremony_n and_o person_n enjoin_v to_o partake_v of_o sacrament_n without_o faith_n 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and_o mortification_n of_o their_o member_n and_o can_v it_o be_v true_o say_v it_o be_v so_o to_o a_o infant_n that_o be_v not_o capable_a to_o put_v forth_o any_o act_n of_o faith_n repentance_n or_o mortification_n or_o discern_v any_o the_o least_o sign_n in_o the_o water_n of_o any_o such_o thing_n signify_v thereby_o four_o it_o 4._o nor_o to_o make_v confession_n of_o faith_n before_o it_o have_v they_o indeed_o a_o harmony_n with_o the_o waldenses_n in_o what_o further_o they_o confess_v concern_v this_o ordinance_n viz._n that_o by_o it_o tâ—ey_n be_v receive_v into_o the_o holy_a congregation_n of_o the_o people_n of_o god_n there_o profess_v and_o declare_v open_o their_o faith_n and_o amendment_n of_o life_n but_o how_o be_v the_o infant_n capable_a with_o the_o waldensian_a christians_n not_o pagan_a convert_n to_o profess_v and_o declare_v open_o their_o faith_n and_o repentance_n and_o so_o to_o be_v receive_v into_o the_o congregation_n thereby_o five_o do_v 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