any_o other_o church_n beside_o the_o roman_a she_o never_o have_v communion_n she_o can_v be_v that_o one_o because_o she_o be_v but_o one_o nor_o catholic_n because_o she_o agree_v not_o with_o any_o nor_o apostolic_a because_o she_o have_v acknowledge_v such_o a_o fine_a and_o recovery_n that_o have_v quite_o cut_v off_o the_o entail_n which_o will_v have_v otherwise_o descend_v unto_o she_o from_o the_o apostle_n neither_o can_v she_o be_v holy_a because_o she_o be_v none_o of_o all_o the_o other_o three_o now_o if_o these_o attribute_n can_v belong_v unto_o the_o protestant_a religion_n and_o do_v clear_o belong_v unto_o the_o roman_a then_o be_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o catholic_n church_n and_o that_o it_o do_v i_o shall_v prove_v it_o by_o the_o mark_n which_o god_n almighty_a have_v give_v we_o whereby_o we_o shall_v know_v she_o and_o the_o first_o be_v universality_n all_o nation_n shall_v flow_v unto_o she_o esa_n 2._o 2._o and_o the_o psalmist_n the_o heathen_a shall_v be_v thy_o inheritance_n and_o the_o uttermost_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n for_o thy_o possession_n psal_n 2._o 2._o and_o our_o saviour_n matth._n 20._o 14._o this_o gospel_n of_o the_o kingdom_n shall_v be_v preach_v in_o all_o the_o world_n as_o a_o witness_n to_o all_o nation_n etc._n etc._n now_o i_o confess_v that_o this_o glory_n be_v belong_v to_o all_o professor_n of_o the_o christian_a religion_n yet_o among_o all_o those_o who_o do_v profess_v the_o name_n of_o christ_n i_o believe_v your_o majesty_n will_v consent_v with_o i_o herein_o that_o the_o roman_a church_n have_v this_o form_n of_o universality_n not_o only_o above_o all_o different_a and_o distinct_a professor_n of_o religion_n but_o also_o beyond_o all_o religion_n of_o the_o world_n turk_n or_o heathen_n and_o that_o there_o be_v no_o place_n in_o the_o world_n where_o there_o be_v not_o romance_n catholic_n which_o be_v manifest_o want_v to_o all_o other_o religion_n whatsoever_o now_o i_o hope_v your_o majesty_n can_v say_v so_o of_o any_o protestant_a religion_n neither_o that_o your_o majesty_n will_v call_v all_o those_o who_o protest_v against_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n otherwise_o than_o protestant_n but_o not_o protestant_n catholic_n or_o catholic_n of_o the_o protestant_a religion_n be_v they_o be_v not_o religate_v within_o the_o same_o communion_n and_o fellowship_n for_o then_o religion_n will_v consist_v in_o protestation_n rather_o than_o unity_n in_o nation_n fall_v off_o from_o one_o another_o rather_o than_o all_o nation_n flow_v to_o one_o another_o neither_o be_v it_o a_o consideration_n altogether_o invalid_a that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v keep_v possession_n of_o the_o name_n all_o along_o other_o reform_a church_n leave_v she_o in_o possession_n of_o the_o name_n and_o take_v unto_o themselves_o new_a name_n according_a to_o their_o several_a founder_n except_o the_o church_n of_o england_n who_o be_v now_o herself_o become_v like_o a_o chapter_n that_o be_v full_a of_o nothing_o else_o who_o founder_n be_v such_o a_o one_o who_o name_n it_o may_v be_v they_o be_v unwilling_a to_o own_o for_o antiquity_n if_o we_o shall_v inquire_v after_o the_o old_a path_n which_o be_v the_o good_a way_n and_o walk_v therein_o as_o the_o prophet_n jeremiah_n advise_v we_o if_o we_o shall_v take_v our_o saviour_n rule_n ab_fw-la initio_fw-la autem_fw-la non_fw-la fuit_fw-la sic_fw-la if_o we_o shall_v observe_v his_o say_n how_o the_o good_a seed_n be_v first_o sow_v and_o then_o the_o tare_n if_o we_o shall_v consider_v the_o pit_n from_o whence_o we_o be_v dug_n and_o the_o rock_n from_o whence_o we_o be_v hew_v we_o shall_v find_v antiquity_n more_o applicatory_a to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n than_o any_o protestant_a church_n but_o you_o will_v say_v your_o religion_n be_v as_o ancient_a as_o we_o have_v its_o procedure_n from_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n so_o say_v the_o lutheran_n protestant_n with_o their_o doctrine_n of_o consubstantiation_n and_o many_o other_o sort_n of_o protestant_n have_v other_o tenant_n altogether_o contrary_a to_o what_o you_o hold_v how_o shall_v we_o reconcile_v you_o so_o say_v all_o heretic_n that_o ever_o be_v how_o shall_v we_o confute_v they_o a_o part_n to_o set_v up_o themselme_v against_o the_o whole_a and_o by_o the_o power_n of_o the_o sword_n to_o make_v themselves_o judge_n in_o their_o own_o cause_n be_v deal_v that_o be_v it_o your_o case_n i_o be_o sure_a you_o will_v think_v it_o very_o hard_a i_o wish_v you_o may_v never_o find_v it_o so_o for_o visibility_n our_o saviour_n compare_v his_o church_n to_o a_o city_n place_v on_o a_o hill_n according_a unto_o the_o prophet_n david_n prophecy_n a_o tabernacle_n in_o the_o sun_n it_o be_v likewise_o compare_v unto_o a_o candle_n in_o a_o candlestiks_a not_o under_o a_o bushel_n and_o say_v our_o saviour_n if_o they_o shall_v say_v unto_o you_o behold_v he_o be_v in_o the_o desert_n go_v you_o not_o forth_o behold_v he_o be_v in_o secret_a place_n believe_v it_o not_o forewarn_v we_o against_o obscure_a and_o invisible_a congregation_n now_o i_o beseech_v your_o majesty_n whether_o shall_v i_o betake_v myself_o to_o a_o church_n that_o be_v always_o visible_a and_o glorious_o eminent_a or_o to_o a_o protestant_a church_n that_o be_v never_o eminent_a and_o for_o the_o most_o part_n invisible_a shroud_a their_o defection_n under_o a_o apostolical_a expression_n of_o a_o woman_n in_o the_o revelation_n who_o flee_v into_o the_o wilderness_n for_o a_o thousand_o year_n as_o if_o a_o allegory_n can_v wipe_v out_o so_o many_o clear_a text_n of_o scripture_n as_o be_v set_v down_o by_o our_o saviour_n and_o the_o prophet_n concern_v the_o church_n invisibility_n and_o i_o can_v not_o find_v any_o church_n in_o the_o world_n to_o who_o that_o prophecy_n of_o isaiah_n might_n more_o fit_o appertain_v then_o to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n i_o have_v set_v watchman_n upon_o the_o wall_n which_o shall_v never_o hold_v their_o peace_n day_n nor_o night_n which_o i_o be_o sure_a no_o protestant_n church_n can_v apply_v to_o herself_o it_o be_v not_o enough_o to_o say_v i_o maintain_v the_o same_o faith_n and_o religion_n which_o the_o apostle_n teach_v and_o therefore_o i_o be_o of_o the_o true_a church_n ancient_a and_o visible_a enough_o because_o as_o i_o have_v say_v before_o every_o heretic_n will_v say_v as_o much_o but_o if_o you_o can_v by_o these_o mark_n of_o the_o church_n set_v down_o in_o scripture_n clear_v yourselves_o to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n you_o vain_o appeal_v to_o the_o scripture_n side_v with_o you_o in_o any_o particular_a point_n for_o what_o can_v be_v more_o absurd_a then_o to_o appeal_v from_o scripture_n set_v thing_n down_o clear_o unto_o scripture_n set_v down_o thing_n more_o obscure_o there_o be_v no_o particular_a point_n of_o doctrine_n in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n so_o manifest_o set_v down_o as_o that_o concern_v the_o church_n and_o the_o mark_v thereof_o nothing_o set_v down_o more_o copious_a and_o perspicuous_a than_o the_o visibility_n perpetuity_n and_o amplitude_n of_o the_o church_n so_o that_o saint_n augustin_n do_v not_o stick_v to_o say_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v more_o clear_a about_o the_o church_n than_o they_o be_v about_o christ_n let_v he_o answer_v for_o it_o he_o say_v so_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr unitate_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la and_o this_o he_o say_v be_v the_o reason_n because_o god_n in_o his_o wisdom_n will_v have_v the_o church_n to_o be_v describe_v without_o any_o ambiguity_n that_o all_o controversy_n about_o the_o church_n may_v be_v clear_o decide_v whereby_o question_n about_o particular_a doctrine_n may_v find_v determination_n in_o her_o judgement_n and_o that_o visibility_n may_v show_v the_o way_n unto_o the_o most_o rude_a and_o ignorant_a and_o i_o know_v not_o any_o church_n to_o who_o it_o may_v more_o just_o be_v attribute_v then_o to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n who_o faith_n as_o in_o the_o beginning_n be_v spread_v through_o the_o whole_a world_n so_o all_o along_o and_o at_o this_o day_n it_o be_v general_o know_v among_o all_o nation_n next_o to_o this_o i_o prove_v the_o catholic_n church_n to_o be_v the_o roman_a because_o a_o lawful_a succession_n of_o pastor_n be_v require_v in_o every_o true_a church_n according_a to_o the_o prophet_n isaiah_n his_o prophecy_n concern_v she_o viz._n my_o spirit_n which_o be_v upon_o thou_o and_o the_o word_n which_o i_o have_v put_v into_o thy_o mouth_n shall_v not_o depart_v out_o of_o thy_o mouth_n nor_o out_o of_o the_o mouth_n of_o thy_o seed_n nor_o out_o of_o the_o mouth_n of_o thy_o seed_n seed_n from_o henceforth_o for_o ever_o this_o succession_n i_o can_v find_v only_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n this_o succession_n they_o only_o can_v prove_v none_o else_o offer_v to_o go_v about_o it_o this_o succession_n saint_n
take_v away_o the_o mean_n of_o reconciliation_n for_o i_o must_v confess_v ingenuous_o yet_o under_o the_o high_a correction_n that_o there_o be_v not_o a_o thing_n that_o i_o ever_o understand_v less_o than_o that_o assertion_n of_o the_o scripture_n be_v judge_n of_o controversy_n though_o in_o some_o sense_n i_o must_v and_o will_v acknowledge_v it_o but_o not_o as_o it_o be_v a_o book_n consist_v of_o paper_n word_n and_o letter_n for_o as_o we_o common_o say_v in_o matter_n of_o civil_a difference_n the_o law_n shall_v be_v the_o judge_n between_o we_o we_o do_v not_o mean_v that_o every_o man_n shall_v run_v unto_o the_o law_n book_n or_o that_o any_o lawyer_n himself_o shall_v search_v his_o lawcase_n and_o thereupon_o possess_v himself_o of_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v in_o question_n between_o he_o and_o another_o without_o a_o legal_a trial_n and_o determination_n by_o lawful_a judge_n constitute_v to_o that_o same_o purpose_n in_o like_a manner_n save_v knowledge_n and_o divine_a truth_n be_v the_o portion_n that_o all_o god_n child_n lay_v fast_o claim_v unto_o yet_o they_o must_v not_o be_v their_o own_o carver_n though_o it_o be_v their_o own_o meat_n that_o be_v before_o they_o whilst_o they_o have_v a_o mother_n at_o the_o table_n they_o must_v not_o slight_v all_o order_n constitution_n appeal_v and_o rule_n of_o faith_n save_v knowledge_n and_o divine_a truth_n be_v not_o to_o be_v wrest_v from_o the_o scripture_n by_o private_a hand_n for_o then_o the_o scripture_n be_v of_o private_a interpretation_n which_o be_v against_o the_o apostle_n rule_n neither_o be_v those_o undefiled_a incorruptible_a and_o immaculate_a inheritance_n which_o be_v reserve_v for_o we_o in_o heaven_n to_o be_v convey_v unto_o we_o by_o any_o privy-seale_n for_o there_o be_v nothing_o more_o absurd_a to_o my_o understanding_n then_o to_o say_v that_o the_o thing_n contest_v which_o be_v the_o true_a meaning_n of_o the_o scripture_n shall_v be_v judge_n of_o the_o contestation_n no_o way_n inferior_a to_o that_o absurdity_n which_o will_v follow_v which_o will_v be_v this_o if_o we_o shall_v leave_v the_o decide_n of_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n of_o the_o law_n to_o the_o preoccupated_a understanding_n of_o one_o of_o the_o advocate_n neither_o be_v this_o all_o the_o absurdity_n that_o do_v arise_v upon_o this_o supposition_n for_o if_o you_o grant_v this_o to_o one_o you_o must_v grant_v it_o to_o any_o one_o and_o to_o every_o one_o if_o there_o be_v but_o two_o how_o will_v you_o reconcile_v they_o both_o if_o you_o grant_v that_o this_o judicature_n must_v be_v in_o many_o there_o be_v many_o manye_n which_o of_o the_o manye_n will_v you_o have_v decide_v but_o that_o and_o you_o satisfy_v all_o for_o if_o you_o make_v the_o scripture_n the_o judge_n of_o controversy_n you_o make_v the_o reader_n judge_v of_o the_o scripture_n as_o a_o man_n consist_v of_o a_o soul_n and_o body_n so_o the_o scripture_n consist_v of_o the_o letter_n and_o the_o sense_n if_o i_o make_v the_o dead_a letter_n my_o judge_n i_o be_o the_o great_a and_o simple_a idolater_n in_o the_o world_n it_o will_v tell_v i_o no_o more_o than_o it_o tell_v the_o indian_a emperor_n powhaton_n who_o ask_v the_o jesuit_n how_o he_o know_v all_o that_o to_o be_v true_a which_o he_o have_v tell_v he_o and_o the_o jesuit_n answer_v he_o that_o god_n word_n do_v tell_v he_o so_o the_o emperor_n ask_v he_o where_o it_o be_v he_o show_v he_o his_o bible_n the_o emperor_n after_o that_o he_o have_v hold_v it_o in_o his_o hand_n a_o pretty_a while_n answer_v it_o tell_v i_o nothing_o but_o you_o will_v say_v you_o can_v read_v and_o so_o you_o will_v find_v the_o meaning_n out_o of_o the_o significant_a character_n and_o when_o you_o have_v do_v as_o you_o apprehend_v it_o so_o it_o must_v be_v and_o so_o the_o scripture_n be_v nothing_o else_o but_o your_o meaning_n wherefore_o necessity_n require_v a_o external_a judge_n for_o determination_n of_o difference_n beside_o the_o scripture_n and_o we_o can_v have_v no_o better_a recourse_n to_o any_o then_o to_o such_o as_o the_o scripture_n itself_o call_v upon_o we_o to_o hear_v which_o be_v the_o church_n which_o church_n will_v be_v find_v out_o king_n doctor_n saint_z john_n in_o his_o first_o epistle_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o holy_a scripture_n be_v that_o to_o who_o truth_n the_o spirit_n bear_v witness_v and_o john_n the_o evangelist_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o scripture_n be_v that_o which_o give_v a_o great_a testimony_n of_o christ_n than_o john_n the_o baptist_n saint_n luke_n tell_v we_o that_o if_o we_o believe_v not_o the_o scripture_n we_o will_v not_o believe_v though_o one_o be_v rise_v from_o the_o dead_a and_o christ_n himself_o who_o raise_v man_n from_o death_n to_o life_n tell_v we_o they_o can_v believe_v his_o word_n if_o they_o believe_v not_o in_o moses_n write_n saint_n peter_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o holy_a scripture_n be_v sure_a than_o a_o voice_n from_o heaven_n saint_n paul_n tell_v we_o that_o it_o be_v lively_a in_o operation_n and_o whereby_o the_o spirit_n demonstrate_v his_o power_n and_o that_o it_o be_v able_a to_o make_v a_o man_n wise_a to_o salvation_n able_a to_o save_v our_o soul_n and_o that_o it_o be_v sufficient_a too_o to_o make_v we_o believe_v in_o christ_n to_o life_n everlasting_a john_n 20._o as_o in_o every_o seed_n there_o be_v a_o spirit_n which_o meet_v with_o earth_n heat_n and_o moisture_n grow_v to_o perfection_n so_o the_o seed_n of_o the_o word_n wherein_o god_n holy_a spirit_n be_v sow_v in_o the_o heart_n inlve_v by_o the_o heart_n of_o faith_n and_o water_v with_o the_o tear_n of_o repentance_n soon_o fructify_v without_o any_o further_a circumstance_n doctor_n it_o do_v so_o but_o your_o majesty_n presuppose_v all_o this_o while_n husbandman_n and_o husbandry_n barn_n and_o thresh_a floor_n winnow_v and_o unite_n these_o several_a grain_n into_o one_o loaf_n before_o it_o can_v become_v child_n bread_n all_o that_o your_o majesty_n have_v say_v concern_v the_o scripture_n sufficiency_n be_v true_a provide_v that_o those_o scripture_n be_v due_o handle_v for_o as_o the_o law_n be_v sufficient_a to_o determine_v right_a and_o keep_v all_o in_o peace_n and_o quietness_n yet_o the_o execution_n of_o that_o sufficiency_n can_v he_o perform_v without_o court_n and_o judge_n so_o when_o we_o have_v grant_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v all_o that_o the_o most_o reverend_a estimation_n can_v attribute_v unto_o they_o yet_o religion_n can_v be_v exercise_v nor_o difference_n in_o religion_n reconcile_v without_o a_o judge_n for_o as_o saint_n jerom_n tell_v we_o who_o be_v no_o great_a friend_n to_o pope_n or_o bishop_n si_fw-mi non_fw-la una_fw-la exhort_v quaedam_fw-la &_o imminens_fw-la detur_fw-la potestas_fw-la tot_fw-la efficerentur_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la schismata_fw-la quot_fw-la sacerdotes_fw-la wherefore_o i_o will_v fain_o find_v out_o that_o which_o the_o scripture_n bid_v i_o hear_v audi_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la i_o will_v fain_o refer_v myself_o to_o that_o to_o which_o the_o scripture_n command_v i_o to_o appeal_v and_o tell_v i_o that_o if_o i_o do_v not_o i_o shall_v be_v a_o heathen_a and_o a_o publican_n dic_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la which_o church_n saint_n paul_n in_o his_o first_o epistle_n call_v the_o pillar_n and_o foundation_n of_o truth_n of_o which_o the_o prophet_n ezekiel_n say_v i_o will_v place_v my_o sanctification_n in_o the_o midst_n of_o she_o for_o ever_o and_o the_o prophet_n isaiah_n that_o the_o lord_n will_v never_o forsake_v she_o in_o who_o light_n the_o people_n shall_v walk_v and_o king_n in_o the_o brightness_n of_o her_o orient_a against_o which_o our_o saviour_n say_v the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v with_o who_o our_o saviour_n say_v he_o will_v be_v always_o unto_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n and_o from_o who_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n shall_v never_o depart_v for_o although_o the_o psalmist_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o word_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v clear_a enlighten_v the_o eye_n yet_o the_o same_o prophet_n say_v to_o god_n enlighten_v my_o eye_n that_o i_o may_v see_v the_o marvel_n of_o thy_o law_n and_o saint_n john_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o book_n of_o god_n have_v seven_o seal_n and_o it_o be_v not_o every_o one_o that_o be_v think_v worthy_a to_o open_v it_o only_o the_o lamb_n the_o disciple_n have_v be_v ignorant_a if_o jesus_n have_v not_o open_v the_o scripture_n unto_o they_o the_o eunuch_n can_v not_o understand_v they_o without_o a_o interpreter_n and_o saint_n peter_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o of_o private_a interpretation_n and_o that_o in_o his_o brother_n paul_n epistle_n there_o be_v many_o thing_n hard_a to_o be_v understand_v which_o ignorant_a and_o light-headed-man_n wrest_v to_o their_o own_o perdition_n wherefore_o though_o as_o
holy_a ghost_n can_v err_v for_o then_o there_o be_v no_o room_n for_o that_o inference_n that_o truth_n be_v no_o where_o to_o be_v find_v but_o in_o holy_a scripture_n 2._o his_o majesty_n speak_v not_o of_o any_o private_a spirit_n but_o of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n lead_v we_o into_o all_o truth_n allege_v that_o of_o the_o apostle_n 1_o cor._n 2._o 12._o we_o have_v receive_v not_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o world_n but_o the_o spirit_n which_o be_v of_o god_n that_o we_o may_v know_v the_o thing_n that_o be_v free_o give_v unto_o we_o of_o god_n it_o be_v true_a if_o any_o under_o pretence_n of_o the_o spirit_n go_v contrary_a to_o the_o word_n as_o too_o many_o do_v whether_o they_o be_v particular_a person_n or_o general_a counsel_n that_o do_v so_o it_o be_v a_o private_a spirit_n viz._n their_o own_o spirit_n that_o they_o be_v guide_v by_o therefore_o saint_n john_n bid_v believe_v not_o every_o spirit_n but_o try_v the_o spirit_n whether_o they_o be_v of_o god_n because_o many_o false_a prophet_n many_o that_o false_o pretend_v the_o spirit_n be_v go_v out_o into_o the_o world_n 1_o john_n 4._o 1._o but_o whoever_o they_o be_v that_o go_v according_a to_o the_o word_n though_o they_o be_v particular_a and_o private_a person_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o their_o own_o particular_a and_o private_a spirit_n but_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n that_o do_v guide_v they_o the_o scripture_n be_v give_v by_o inspiration_n of_o god_n 2_o tim._n 3._o 16._o therefore_o it_o be_v god_n spirit_n and_o not_o man_n that_o do_v speak_v in_o and_o by_o the_o scripture_n last_o as_o to_o your_o majesty_n quotation_n of_o so_o many_o father_n for_o the_o 57_o scripture_n easiness_n and_o plainness_n to_o be_v understand_v if_o the_o scripture_n themselves_o do_v tell_v we_o that_o they_o be_v hard_a to_o be_v understand_v etc._n etc._n 1._o his_o majesty_n do_v not_o quote_v many_o father_n nor_o any_o at_o all_o to_o answ_n prove_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v every_o where_o plain_a and_o easy_a to_o be_v understand_v but_o to_o show_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v their_o own_o interpreter_n which_o be_v his_o majesty_n word_n pag._n 50._o to_o prove_v this_o which_o be_v a_o most_o certain_a truth_n his_o majesty_n quote_v indeed_o many_o father_n as_o irenaeus_n clemens_n alexandrinus_n crysostome_n basil_n austin_n gregory_n and_o optatus_n the_o scripture_n quote_v by_o the_o marquesse_n make_v nothing_o against_o this_o viz._n 2_o pet._n 3._o 16._o act._n 8._o 31._o not_o as_o it_o be_v misprinted_n 13._o luke_n 24._o 25._o rather_o 45._o apoc._n 5._o 4._o where_n not_o the_o angel_n as_o the_o marquesse_n say_v but_o john_n weep_v because_o none_o be_v find_v worthy_a to_o open_v and_o to_o read_v the_o book_n neither_o do_v it_o appear_v that_o by_o the_o book_n there_o mention_v be_v mean_v the_o scripture_n as_o the_o marquesse_n seem_v to_o suppose_v and_o so_o indeed_o many_o have_v think_v as_o the_o jesuit_n ribera_n tell_v we_o who_o yet_o nevertheless_o profess_v that_o he_o 1._o do_v not_o see_v how_o historical_o this_o can_v be_v for_o this_o book_n be_v shut_v and_o seal_v as_o he_o observe_v until_o that_o time_n that_o john_n have_v this_o revelation_n when_o as_o all_o the_o other_o apostle_n be_v deceive_v so_o that_o the_o scripture_n if_o it_o be_v the_o book_n there_o speak_v of_o be_v always_o shut_v to_o peter_n and_o paul_n and_o the_o other_o apostle_n the_o other_o place_n i_o grant_v do_v show_v that_o in_o the_o scripture_n there_o be_v some_o thing_n obscure_a and_o difficult_a at_o least_o to_o some_o but_o this_o be_v nothing_o against_o the_o scripture_n be_v their_o own_o interpreter_n what_o be_v obscure_a in_o one_o place_n must_v be_v clear_v by_o some_o other_o place_n or_o else_o without_o extraordinary_a revelation_n i_o see_v not_o how_o we_o shall_v attain_v to_o the_o understanding_n of_o it_o no_o need_n therefore_o to_o put_v those_o say_n of_o the_o father_n cite_v by_o his_o majesty_n among_o the_o errata_n that_o be_v behind_o their_o book_n as_o the_o marquesse_n speak_v pag._n 57_o where_o he_o add_v or_o else_o we_o must_v look_v out_o some_o other_o meaning_n of_o their_o word_n than_o what_o your_o maj_n have_v infer_v from_o thence_o as_o thus_o they_o be_v easy_a in_o aliquibus_fw-la locis_fw-la but_o not_o in_o omnibus_fw-la locis_fw-la or_o thus_o they_o be_v easy_a as_o to_o the_o attainment_n of_o particular_a salvation_n but_o not_o as_o to_o the_o general_a cognizance_n of_o all_o the_o divine_a mystery_n therein_o contain_v etc._n etc._n but_o this_o be_v nothing_o contrary_a to_o his_o majesty_n inference_n which_o be_v only_o this_o that_o the_o scripture_n be_v their_o own_o interpreter_n i._n e._n that_o scripture_n be_v to_o be_v interpret_v by_o scripture_n not_o that_o the_o scripture_n be_v clear_a in_o all_o point_n and_o in_o all_o place_n it_o suffice_v that_o which_o the_o marquesse_n himself_o do_v seem_v to_o yield_v they_o be_v clear_a in_o those_o thing_n which_o concern_v salvation_n and_o this_o be_v austin_n determination_n in_o those_o thing_n say_v he_o which_o be_v plain_o set_v down_o in_o the_o 9_o scripture_n be_v find_v all_o those_o thing_n which_o concern_v faith_n and_o good_a life_n yea_o so_o much_o the_o scripture_n do_v testimony_n of_o itself_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v sure_a make_v wise_a the_o simple_a psal_n 19_o 7._o the_o entrance_n of_o thy_o word_n give_v light_n it_o give_v understanding_n to_o the_o simple_a psal_n 119._o 130._o from_o a_o child_n thou_o have_v know_v the_o scripture_n which_o be_v able_a to_o make_v thou_o wise_a unto_o salvation_n etc._n etc._n 2_o tim._n 3._o 15._o first_o we_o hold_v the_o real_a presence_n you_o deny_v it_o we_o say_v his_o body_n be_v there_o you_o say_v there_o be_v nothing_o but_o bare_a bread_n we_o have_v scripture_n 58._o for_o it_o mat._n 20._o for_o 26._o 26._o take_v eat_v this_o be_v my_o body_n so_o luke_n 22._o 19_o this_o be_v my_o body_n which_o be_v give_v for_o you_o here_o the_o marquesse_n come_v to_o perform_v that_o which_o before_o he_o promise_v pag._n 53_o &_o 54._o viz._n to_o show_v that_o in_o those_o point_n answ_n wherein_o they_o and_o we_o differ_v the_o scripture_n be_v on_o their_o side_n and_o not_o on_o we_o and_o he_o begin_v with_o the_o controversy_n about_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n allege_v those_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n as_o a_o clear_a proof_n of_o their_o opinion_n viz._n that_o after_o consecration_n there_o be_v no_o long_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n but_o that_o the_o bread_n be_v transubstantiate_v and_o turn_v into_o the_o substance_n of_o christ_n body_n but_o do_v it_o appear_v that_o those_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v proper_o any_o more_o than_o those_o gen._n 17._o 10._o this_o be_v my_o covenant_n which_o you_o shall_v keep_v between_o i_o and_o you_o and_o thy_o seed_n after_o thou_o every_o manchild_n among_o you_o shall_v be_v circumcise_v there_o circumcision_n be_v call_v god_n covenant_n whereas_o proper_o it_o be_v not_o the_o covenant_n itself_o but_o the_o token_n of_o the_o covenant_n as_o it_o be_v call_v immediate_o after_o ver_fw-la 11._o so_o exod._n 12._o 13._o and_o in_o other_o place_n the_o lamb_n be_v call_v the_o lord_n passeover_n whereas_o proper_o it_o be_v not_o the_o passeover_n but_o a_o token_n of_o the_o passeover_n be_v slay_v and_o eat_v in_o remembrance_n of_o the_o lord_n pass_v over_o the_o house_n of_o the_o israelite_n when_o he_o see_v the_o first-born_a of_o the_o egyptian_n exod._n 12._o 13._o and_o thus_o also_o it_o be_v say_v 1_o cor._n 10._o 4._o that_o the_o rock_n be_v christ_n how_o can_v that_o be_v not_o in_o respect_n of_o substance_n but_o in_o respect_n of_o signification_n the_o rock_n signify_v christ_n be_v a_o type_n and_o a_o figure_n of_o christ_n bellarmine_n i_o know_v do_v endeavour_n to_o elude_v all_o these_o instance_n as_o if_o the_o speech_n be_v not_o figurative_a but_o proper_a to_o that_o place_n concern_v circumcision_n he_o answer_v that_o both_o speech_n be_v proper_a viz._n circumcision_n be_v the_o covenant_n and_o circumcision_n be_v the_o token_n of_o the_o covenant_n circumcision_n he_o say_v be_v the_o token_n est_fw-la of_o the_o covenant_n as_o the_o covenant_n be_v take_v for_o god_n promise_v and_o it_o be_v also_o the_o covenant_n itself_o as_o the_o covenant_n be_v take_v for_o the_o instrument_n whereby_o the_o promise_n be_v apply_v but_o here_o bellarmine_n be_v contrary_a both_o to_o himself_o and_o to_o reason_n he_o be_v contrary_a to_o himself_o for_o a_o little_a before_o he_o say_v that_o these_o word_n peccat_fw-la circumcision_n be_v the_o token_n
say_v a_o little_a after_o but_o though_o it_o have_v not_o be_v one_o half_a quarter_n of_o that_o time_n before_o the_o israelite_n want_v water_n again_o yet_o that_o be_v no_o argument_n why_o the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o the_o rock_n that_o follow_v they_o shall_v not_o mean_v a_o material_a and_o visible_a rock_n for_o the_o material_a and_o visible_a rock_n that_o be_v the_o water_n that_o flow_v from_o it_o may_v follow_v the_o israelite_n though_o but_o for_o while_n even_o so_o long_o as_o they_o encamp_v in_o rephidim_n neither_o do_v the_o apostle_n say_v that_o it_o follow_v they_o either_o perpetual_o or_o for_o any_o long_a time_n but_o only_o that_o it_o follow_v they_o but_o howsoever_o it_o be_v understand_v that_o the_o rock_n follow_v they_o which_o i_o confess_v be_v somewhat_o obscure_a how_o by_o the_o rock_n there_o shall_v be_v mean_v christ_n as_o the_o efficient_a cause_n give_v they_o water_n to_o drink_v for_o to_o drink_v of_o 〈◊〉_d the_o rock_n be_v there_o express_v in_o the_o same_o phrase_n as_o to_o drink_v of_o the_o cup_n 1_o cor._n 11._o 28._o neither_o i_o think_v can_v one_o in_o any_o congruity_n be_v say_v to_o drink_v of_o a_o man_n that_o give_v he_o either_o water_n or_o any_o thing_n else_o to_o drink_v but_o only_o to_o drink_v either_o of_o the_o liquor_n or_o metonymical_o of_o that_o wherein_o the_o liquor_n be_v contain_v final_o bellarmine_n himself_o do_v acknowledge_v that_o the_o material_a rock_n which_o afford_v the_o israelite_n water_n to_o tamen_fw-la drink_v be_v a_o figure_n of_o christ_n and_o that_o the_o water_n proceed_v from_o that_o rock_n be_v a_o figure_n of_o christ_n blood_n only_o he_o deny_v that_o so_o much_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o apostle_n in_o those_o word_n they_o drink_v of_o the_o spiritual_a rock_n that_o follow_v they_o and_o that_o rock_n be_v christ_n but_o i_o demand_v then_o from_o what_o place_n of_o scripture_n if_o not_o from_o those_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n can_v so_o much_o be_v gather_v 51._o jansenius_n a_o learned_a romanist_n be_v more_o candid_a and_o free_a then_o bellarmine_n for_o expound_v the_o parable_n of_o the_o sour_a he_o say_v that_o the_o word_n be_v as_o when_o it_o be_v say_v the_o seed_n be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n luke_n 8._o 11._o be_v put_v for_o signify_v as_o also_o there_o where_o it_o be_v say_v and_o the_o rock_n be_v christ_n and_o so_o also_o say_v we_o when_o it_o be_v say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n the_o meaning_n be_v this_o do_v signify_v my_o body_n or_o this_o be_v a_o sign_n a_o token_n a_o seal_n a_o pledge_n of_o my_o body_n the_o lord_n say_v 12._o austin_n doubt_v not_o to_o say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n when_o he_o give_v the_o sign_n of_o his_o body_n and_o again_o speak_v of_o those_o word_n 16._o except_o you_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n you_o have_v no_o life_n in_o you_o joh._n 6._o 53._o he_o say_v that_o christ_n seem_v to_o command_v some_o heinous_a act_n or_o some_o gross_a wickedness_n and_o that_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o figurative_a speech_n require_v we_o to_o communicate_v with_o the_o lord_n suffering_n and_o sweet_o and_o profitable_o to_o keep_v in_o memory_n that_o his_o flesh_n be_v crucify_a and_o wound_v for_o we_o and_o yet_o again_o 341._o he_o that_o be_v at_o enmity_n with_o christ_n say_v he_o do_v neither_o eat_v his_o flesh_n nor_o drink_v his_o blood_n although_o to_o the_o condemnation_n of_o his_o presumption_n he_o daily_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n of_o so_o great_a a_o thing_n as_o well_o as_o other_o these_o say_n of_o austin_n do_v sufficient_o show_v how_o he_o understand_v those_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n and_o how_o far_o he_o be_v from_o be_v of_o the_o now-romane_a faith_n concern_v the_o presence_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n indeed_o these_o very_a word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n which_o our_o adversary_n pretend_v to_o make_v so_o much_o for_o they_o be_v most_o strong_a against_o they_o and_o enough_o to_o throw_v down_o transubstantiation_n for_o christ_n say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n what_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o word_n this_o they_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n can_v agree_v about_o it_o but_o some_o say_v one_o thing_n some_o another_o only_o by_o no_o mean_n they_o will_v have_v bread_n to_o be_v mean_v by_o it_o for_o they_o very_o well_o know_v that_o so_o their_o transubstantiation_n be_v quite_o overthrow_v but_o look_v into_o the_o scripture_n and_o mind_n it_o well_o and_o see_v if_o any_o thing_n else_o but_o bread_n can_v be_v mean_v by_o the_o word_n this._n it_o be_v say_v mat._n 26._o 26._o jesus_n take_v bread_n and_o bless_v it_o &_o break_v it_o and_o give_v it_o to_o the_o disciple_n and_o say_v take_v eat_v this_o be_v my_o body_n what_o be_v here_o mean_v by_o the_o word_n this_o what_o be_v it_o that_o christ_n call_v his_o body_n that_o which_o he_o bid_v the_o disciple_n take_v and_o eat_v and_o what_o be_v that_o that_o which_o he_o give_v unto_o they_o and_o what_o be_v that_o that_o which_o he_o break_v and_o what_o be_v that_o that_o which_o he_o bless_v and_o what_o be_v that_o that_o which_o he_o take_v and_o what_o be_v that_o bread_n for_o so_o express_o the_o evangelist_n tell_v we_o that_o jesus_n take_v bread_n so_o then_o it_o be_v bread_n that_o christ_n take_v and_o bread_n that_o he_o bless_v and_o bread_n that_o he_o break_v and_o bread_n that_o he_o give_v to_o the_o disciple_n and_o bread_n that_o he_o bid_v they_o take_v and_o eat_v and_o bread_n of_o which_o he_o speak_v say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n as_o if_o he_o shall_v say_v this_o bread_n which_o i_o have_v take_v and_o bless_v and_o break_v and_o give_v unto_o you_o to_o eat_v even_o this_o bread_n be_v my_o body_n now_o the_o word_n this_o relate_n unto_o bread_n the_o speech_n must_v needs_o be_v figurative_a and_o can_v be_v proper_a for_o proper_o bread_n can_v be_v christ_n body_n bread_n and_o christ_n body_n be_v thing_n of_o diverse_a and_o different_a nature_n and_o so_o it_o be_v impossible_a that_o proper_o one_o shall_v be_v the_o other_o as_o praedicari_fw-la when_o christ_n call_v herod_n a_o fox_n and_o the_o pharisee_n serpent_n and_o viper_n the_o speech_n be_v not_o proper_a but_o figurative_a so_o be_v it_o when_o he_o call_v bread_n his_o body_n it_o be_v no_o more_o possible_a that_o bread_n shall_v be_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n in_o propriety_n of_o speech_n then_o that_o a_o man_n shall_v proper_o be_v a_o fox_n a_o serpent_n a_o viper_n beside_o do_v not_o the_o apostle_n 1_o cor._n 11._o speak_v of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n continual_o call_v it_o bread_n even_o after_o consecration_n indeed_o to_o distinguish_v it_o from_o ordinary_a and_o common_a bread_n he_o call_v it_o this_o bread_n but_o yet_o still_o bread_n the_o same_o in_o substance_n though_o not_o the_o same_o in_o use_n as_o before_o and_o which_o be_v worthy_a to_o be_v observe_v thus_o the_o apostle_n call_v it_o viz._n bread_n when_o he_o sharp_o reprove_v the_o corinthian_n for_o their_o unworthy_a receive_n of_o the_o sacrament_n set_v before_o they_o the_o grievousnesse_n of_o the_o sin_n and_o the_o greatness_n of_o the_o danger_n that_o they_o do_v incur_v by_o it_o now_o what_o have_v be_v more_o forcible_a and_o effectual_a to_o this_o end_n than_o for_o the_o apostle_n if_o he_o have_v be_v of_o the_o romish_a faith_n to_o have_v tell_v they_o that_o now_o it_o be_v not_o bread_n though_o it_o seem_v unto_o they_o to_o be_v so_o but_o that_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o bread_n be_v go_v and_o instead_o thereof_o be_v come_v the_o very_a substance_n of_o christ_n body_n he_o say_v indeed_o that_o whoso_o eat_v that_o bread_n and_o drink_v the_o cup_n of_o the_o lord_n unworthy_o be_v guilty_a of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o the_o lord_n but_o that_o be_v because_o that_o bread_n and_o that_o cup_n i._n e._n the_o wine_n in_o the_o cup_n be_v by_o the_o lord_n own_o institution_n sign_n and_o seal_n of_o the_o lord_n body_n and_o blood_n so_o that_o the_o unworthy_a receive_n of_o they_o be_v a_o indignity_n do_v to_o the_o thing_n signify_v by_o they_o but_o to_o return_v to_o the_o marquesse_n he_o cit_v sundry_a passage_n in_o john_n 6._o where_o our_o saviour_n speak_v of_o eat_v his_o flesh_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n call_v himself_o bread_n live_v bread_n and_o affirm_v that_o his_o flesh_n be_v meat_n indeed_o and_o his_o blood_n drink_v indeed_o but_o all_o this_o be_v far_o from_o prove_v that_o real_a presence_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n which_o the_o marquesse_n do_v contend_v for_o for_o 1._o
have_v see_v that_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o athanasius_n he_o will_v not_o then_o sure_o neither_o be_v it_o such_o a_o angel_n of_o who_o he_o himself_o do_v seek_v to_o be_v bless_v and_o hierome_n upon_o the_o word_n of_o hosea_n say_v 12._o plain_o that_o this_o angel_n be_v god_n none_o of_o the_o father_n be_v here_o allege_v against_o we_o but_o only_o austin_n who_o i_o have_v show_v to_o testify_v abundant_o for_o we_o that_o which_o he_o 21._o say_v in_o the_o place_n quote_v be_v that_o job_n seem_v to_o desire_v the_o angel_n to_o entreat_v for_o he_o or_o else_o some_o of_o the_o saint_n but_o pineda_n a_o jesuit_n do_v not_o like_o this_o exposition_n but_o call_v it_o allegorical_a and_o expound_v it_o as_o it_o 21._o ought_v to_o be_v expound_v of_o those_o friend_n of_o job_n that_o dispute_v with_o he_o if_o our_o adversary_n shall_v reply_v that_o though_o austin_n ibid._n do_v not_o right_o expound_v the_o word_n of_o job_n yet_o however_o he_o show_v it_o to_o be_v his_o opinion_n that_o the_o angel_n may_v be_v pray_v unto_o i_o answer_v first_o austin_n here_o make_v as_o well_o against_o they_o as_o against_o we_o for_o he_o speak_v as_o much_o of_o job_n pray_v unto_o saint_n as_o unto_o angel_n now_o our_o adversary_n hold_v as_o i_o shall_v show_v more_o hereafter_o that_o in_o those_o time_n before_o christ_n come_v the_o saint_n be_v not_o to_o be_v pray_v unto_o again_o austin_n do_v not_o say_v that_o job_n do_v pray_v either_o to_o saint_n or_o angel_n but_o that_o he_o desire_v yea_o only_o that_o he_o seem_v to_o have_v desire_v that_o they_o may_v pray_v for_o he_o three_o for_o one_o place_n wherein_o austin_n speak_v obscure_o and_o doubtful_o for_o pray_v to_o angel_n we_o have_v many_o plain_a and_o evident_a testimony_n of_o his_o against_o it_o as_o before_o i_o have_v show_v last_o austin_n himself_o have_v teach_v we_o to_o believe_v neither_o he_o 111._o nor_o any_o other_o further_o than_o they_o accord_v with_o the_o scripture_n but_o that_o we_o may_v save_v the_o reverence_n that_o be_v due_a unto_o they_o dissent_v from_o they_o when_o as_o they_o dissent_v from_o the_o truth_n thus_o he_o say_v he_o do_v in_o respect_n of_o the_o write_n of_o other_o and_o so_o he_o will_v have_v other_o to_o do_v in_o respect_n of_o his_o write_n from_o the_o angel_n the_o marquis_n pass_v to_o the_o saint_n decease_v 68_o say_v we_o hold_v that_o the_o saint_n decease_v know_v what_o pass_v here_o on_o earth_n you_o say_v they_o know_v not_o we_o have_v scripture_n for_o it_o luke_n 16._o 29._o where_o abraham_n know_v that_o there_o be_v moses_n and_o the_o prophet_n book_n here_o on_o earth_n which_o he_o himself_o have_v never_o see_v when_o he_o be_v alive_a the_o father_n say_v as_o much_o euseb_n ser._n de_fw-fr ann._n s._n hiero._n in_o epit._n paulae_n s._n max._n ser._n de_fw-fr agnete_n answ_n that_o the_o saint_n decease_v do_v not_o know_v the_o particular_a affair_n of_o man_n here_o on_o earth_n the_o scripture_n do_v teach_v we_o job._n 14._o 21._o his_o son_n come_v to_o honour_n and_o he_o know_v it_o not_o and_o they_o be_v bring_v low_a but_o he_o perceive_v it_o not_o of_o they_o there_o job_n speak_v indefinite_o of_o a_o man_n depart_v out_o of_o this_o life_n whether_o he_o be_v saint_n or_o no_o saint_n and_o show_v that_o he_o do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o understand_v the_o estate_n of_o such_o as_o have_v most_o near_a relation_n unto_o he_o and_o how_o then_o shall_v we_o persuade_v ourselves_o that_o he_o do_v understand_v the_o estate_n of_o other_o and_o from_o those_o word_n isai_n 63._o 16._o abraham_n be_v ignorant_a of_o we_o and_o israel_n know_v we_o not_o austin_n do_v infer_v that_o the_o dead_a be_v not_o acquaint_v with_o the_o affair_n of_o the_o live_n 13._o if_o not_o our_o parent_n say_v he_o what_o other_o dead_a person_n know_v what_o we_o do_v or_o suffer_v if_o so_o great_a patriarch_n abraham_n and_o jacob_n know_v not_o how_o it_o fare_v with_o those_o that_o do_v descend_v from_o they_o how_o do_v the_o dead_a intermeddle_v in_o know_v and_o help_v the_o affair_n of_o those_o that_o be_v alive_a for_o my_o part_n i_o think_v that_o place_n of_o isaiah_n not_o so_o pertinent_a to_o the_o purpose_n but_o that_o the_o meaning_n of_o it_o be_v that_o the_o people_n of_o israel_n be_v so_o degenerate_a that_o abraham_n and_o israel_n if_o they_o know_v what_o manner_n of_o person_n they_o be_v will_v not_o own_v they_o not_o acknowledge_v they_o for_o their_o posterity_n yet_o however_o austin_n show_v what_o his_o opinion_n be_v concern_v those_o that_o be_v decease_v viz._n that_o they_o be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o thing_n that_o be_v do_v here_o which_o be_v evident_a enough_o by_o those_o word_n of_o job_n before_o cite_v bellarmine_n say_v that_o gregory_n upon_o the_o place_n do_v answer_v that_o 20._o natural_o the_o dead_a know_v not_o how_o it_o fare_v with_o the_o like_n but_o that_o yet_o the_o saint_n be_v glorify_v do_v see_v in_o god_n all_o thing_n quae_fw-la nimirum_fw-la ad_fw-la ipsos_fw-la pertinent_a viz._n which_o do_v belong_v unto_o they_o but_o gregory_n upon_o those_o word_n of_o job_n say_v thus_o as_o they_o that_o be_v alive_a know_v not_o where_o ibid._n the_o soul_n of_o the_o dead_a be_v so_o they_o that_o be_v dead_a know_v not_o how_o they_o live_v that_o be_v after_o they_o indeed_o he_o add_v present_o after_o this_o yet_o be_v not_o to_o be_v think_v of_o the_o holy_a soul_n because_o they_o that_o see_v the_o brightness_n of_o almighty_a god_n be_v by_o no_o mean_n to_o be_v think_v ignorant_a of_o any_o thing_n beside_o therefore_o he_o understand_v job_n as_o speak_v only_o of_o such_o dead_a person_n as_o be_v unholy_a whereas_o indeed_o job_n word_n be_v indefinite_a and_o indifferent_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o all_o that_o be_v dead_a except_o by_o special_a revelation_n any_o thing_n do_v here_o below_o be_v make_v know_v unto_o they_o thou_o destroy_v the_o hope_n of_o man_n v_o 19_o viz._n his_o hope_n of_o continue_v here_o in_o this_o life_n thou_o change_v his_o countenance_n and_o send_v he_o away_o v_o 20._o this_o hold_n in_o respect_n of_o all_o and_o then_o follow_v his_o son_n come_v to_o honour_n and_o he_o know_v it_o not_o etc._n etc._n v._n 21._o so_o that_o the_o coherence_n of_o the_o word_n show_v that_o they_o be_v mean_v general_o of_o all_o that_o be_v decease_v and_o that_o which_o gregory_n say_v of_o the_o saint_n that_o see_v god_n in_o he_o they_o see_v all_o thing_n bellarmine_n himself_o it_o seem_v do_v think_v too_o lavish_a and_o therefore_o he_o limit_n it_o to_o all_o thing_n which_o concern_v they_o or_o belong_v unto_o they_o which_o limitation_n do_v indeed_o mar_v his_o market_n for_o how_o do_v it_o appear_v that_o it_o belong_v unto_o the_o saint_n depart_v to_o understand_v particular_a occurrence_n here_o below_o and_o namely_o all_o the_o prayer_n that_o any_o shall_v make_v unto_o they_o which_o be_v the_o scope_n that_o they_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n aim_v at_o when_o they_o speak_v of_o the_o saint_n know_v thing_n here_o on_o earth_n but_o of_o that_o more_o god_n will_v hereafter_o but_o for_o the_o saint_n know_v our_o affair_n it_o be_v it_o seem_v in_o the_o time_n of_o lombard_n above_o 1100_o year_n after_o christ_n a_o point_n not_o much_o believe_v for_o lombard_n move_v the_o question_n say_v only_o this_o it_o be_v not_o incredible_a that_o the_o soul_n f._n of_o the_o saint_n enjoy_v the_o vision_n of_o god_n do_v understand_v humane_a and_o earthly_a affair_n so_o far_o as_o concern_v their_o joy_n and_o our_o help_n he_o do_v not_o say_v that_o this_o be_v certain_a but_o only_o that_o it_o be_v not_o incredible_a and_o bellarmine_n himself_o relate_v four_o several_a 20._o opinion_n about_o the_o manner_n how_o the_o saint_n know_v thing_n here_o upon_o earth_n of_o two_o of_o they_o viz._n that_o they_o know_v they_o by_o the_o relation_n of_o angel_n or_o by_o be_v after_o a_o sort_n ibid._n every_o where_o present_a he_o say_v plain_o that_o neither_o of_o they_o do_v satisfy_v and_o give_v convince_a reason_n for_o it_o and_o for_o the_o other_o two_o opinion_n viz._n that_o the_o saint_n from_o the_o begin_n of_o their_o blessedness_n do_v in_o god_n see_v all_o thing_n that_o any_o way_n appertain_v unto_o they_o or_o that_o god_n do_v then_o reveal_v thing_n unto_o the_o saint_n when_o any_o at_o any_o time_n do_v pray_v unto_o they_o he_o like_v not_o the_o latter_a of_o these_o because_o he_o say_v if_o the_o saint_n do_v need_v a_o new_a revelation_n upon_o every_o occasion_n the_o church_n will_v
be_v the_o ibid._n custom_n then_o to_o call_v upon_o the_o holy_a angel_n for_o their_o patronage_n but_o to_o say_v as_o the_o marquesse_n do_v that_o it_o appear_v by_o these_o word_n that_o they_o use_v then_o to_o call_v upon_o the_o saint_n depart_v be_v contrary_a to_o the_o tenet_n of_o the_o romanist_n who_o hold_v that_o during_o the_o time_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n pray_v unto_o the_o decease_a saint_n be_v not_o in_o use_n because_o then_o the_o saint_n that_o depart_v out_o of_o this_o life_n as_o they_o hold_v do_v not_o go_v to_o heaven_n nor_o enjoy_v happiness_n but_o the_o truth_n be_v those_o word_n job_n 5._o 1._o call_v now_o etc._n etc._n and_o to_o which_o of_o the_o saint_n will_v thou_o turn_v make_v neither_o for_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n nor_o of_o angel_n the_o meaning_n of_o eliphaz_n be_v only_o to_o convince_v job_n that_o none_o be_v punish_v as_o he_o be_v except_o he_o be_v wicked_a and_o therefore_o he_o bid_v he_o show_v any_o of_o the_o saint_n if_o he_o can_v that_o be_v so_o punish_v as_o he_o be_v for_o this_o be_v the_o error_n of_o eliphaz_n and_o the_o other_o two_o friend_n of_o job_n that_o they_o think_v job_n can_v not_o be_v a_o godly_a man_n because_o god_n do_v so_o afflict_v he_o therefore_o god_n say_v his_o anger_n be_v kindle_v against_o they_o because_o they_o have_v not_o speak_v of_o he_o the_o thing_n that_o be_v right_a job._n 42._o 7._o for_o the_o father_n which_o be_v here_o object_v the_o first_o viz._n diony_n be_v cite_v cap._n 7_o but_o of_o what_o for_o he_o write_v diverse_a book_n but_o his_o testimony_n be_v of_o little_a worth_n it_o be_v uncertain_a who_o he_o be_v and_o when_o he_o live_v and_o this_o be_v evident_a to_o all_o that_o have_v any_o the_o least_o taste_n of_o he_o that_o he_o be_v not_o as_o be_v pretend_v that_o dionysius_n that_o be_v mention_v act_n 17._o 34._o which_o his_o fustian_n and_o bombast-stile_n do_v sufficient_o declare_v the_o next_o be_v athanasius_n but_o i_o find_v no_o such_o piece_n as_o ser._n de_fw-la annunt_fw-la either_o in_o his_o work_n as_o they_o be_v extant_a both_o in_o greek_a and_o latin_a nor_o in_o bellarmine_n index_n or_o catalogue_n of_o they_o which_o he_o have_v in_o his_o book_n of_o ecclesiastical_a writer_n if_o perhaps_o the_o marquesse_n mean_v 19_o ser_n de_fw-fr sanctissimâ_fw-la deiparâ_fw-la bellarmine_n in_o that_o same_o book_n censure_v it_o as_o not_o belong_v to_o athanasius_n but_o to_o some_o other_o long_o after_o his_o time_n and_o in_o some_o thing_n as_o it_o seem_v not_o very_a sound_n basil_n i_o have_v not_o to_o peruse_v nor_o maximus_n cit_fw-la chrysostome_n in_o the_o place_n quote_v viz._n hom._n 66._o de_fw-fr pop._n antioch_n do_v indeed_o seem_v to_o speak_v for_o pray_v unto_o saint_n to_o pray_v for_o we_o but_o we_o must_v remember_v how_o he_o be_v reckon_v among_o they_o who_o hold_v that_o the_o saint_n depart_v be_v not_o yet_o in_o glory_n and_o therefore_o if_o the_o romanist_n will_v have_v he_o speak_v agreable_o to_o this_o position_n they_o must_v not_o have_v he_o for_o a_o patron_n in_o this_o cause_n touch_v the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n and_o upon_o the_o same_o ground_n must_v they_o also_o let_v go_v bernard_n who_o be_v likewise_o note_v for_o the_o same_o opinion_n script_n though_o the_o truth_n be_v he_o live_v in_o very_o corrupt_a time_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n if_o he_o do_v draw_v some_o dregs_n it_o be_v indeed_o a_o marvel_n that_o he_o be_v not_o more_o corrupt_v and_o infect_v than_o he_o be_v there_o remain_v only_a hierome_n who_o in_o the_o end_n of_o his_o epitaph_n or_o funeral_n oration_n concern_v paula_n address_v his_o speech_n unto_o she_o bid_v her_o farewell_n and_o help_v he_o with_o her_o fine_a prayer_n but_o 1._o i_o have_v show_v before_o that_o bellarmine_n do_v overthrow_v the_o foundation_n that_o hierome_n build_v upon_o viz._n that_o the_o saint_n depart_v be_v every_o where_o and_o so_o can_v hear_v and_o understand_v whatsoever_o any_o stand_n in_o need_n of_o and_o desire_v of_o they_o which_o bellarmine_n confess_v to_o be_v incompetible_a to_o any_o mere_a creature_n as_o indeed_o it_o be_v this_o be_v a_o property_n that_o belong_v unto_o god_n only_o 2._o when_o the_o father_n sometime_o speak_v in_o that_o manner_n to_o the_o saint_n decease_v their_o speech_n proceed_v rather_o from_o affection_n then_o from_o judgement_n and_o be_v rhetorical_a rather_o then_o theological_a initium_fw-la expression_n as_o appear_v by_o that_o of_o gregory_n nazianzen_n who_o in_o his_o first_o oration_n against_o julian_n speak_v thus_o unto_o constantine_n who_o be_v then_o dead_a and_o hear_v o_o thou_o soul_n of_o the_o great_a constantine_n if_o thou_o have_v any_o sense_n or_o understanding_n of_o these_o thing_n where_o the_o greek_a scholiast_n note_n that_o ibid._n nazianzen_n do_v imitate_v isocrates_n a_o heathen_a orator_n this_o be_v speak_v say_v he_o in_o imitation_n of_o isocrates_n as_o if_o he_o shall_v say_v if_o thou_o have_v any_o power_n to_o hear_v the_o thing_n that_o be_v here_o speak_v and_o observe_v how_o nazianzen_n who_o hierome_n call_v his_o master_n speak_v doubtful_o make_v it_o a_o question_n whether_o the_o saint_n depart_v do_v understand_v ecclestast_n thing_n here_o upon_o earth_n 3._o austin_n who_o live_v in_o the_o same_o time_n with_o hierome_n in_o his_o book_n of_o true_a religion_n 55._o speak_v of_o the_o saint_n debar_v say_v plain_o they_o be_v to_o be_v honour_v for_o imitation_n but_o not_o to_o be_v worship_v for_o religion_n and_o in_o the_o 10._o last_o book_n of_o that_o famous_a work_n entitle_v of_o the_o city_n of_o god_n in_o the_o ten_o chapter_n of_o it_o speak_v of_o the_o martyr_n he_o say_v that_o in_o the_o celebration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n they_o be_v mention_v in_o their_o place_n and_o order_n viz._n to_o praise_n god_n for_o they_o and_o to_o stir_v up_o other_o to_o the_o imitation_n of_o they_o but_o yet_o that_o they_o be_v not_o invocate_v and_o that_o no_o prayer_n be_v put_v up_o unto_o they_o this_o may_v suffice_v to_o show_v how_o far_o in_o this_o point_n they_o of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v depart_v both_o from_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n word_n and_o also_o from_o the_o judgement_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n we_o hold_v say_v the_o marquesse_n confirmation_n necessary_a you_v 69._o not_o we_o have_v scripture_n for_o it_o act_n 8._o 14._o peter_n and_o john_n pray_v for_o they_o that_o they_o may_v receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n for_o as_o yet_o he_o be_v fall_v upon_o none_o of_o they_o only_o they_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n then_o lay_v they_o their_o hand_n on_o they_o and_o they_o receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n where_o we_o see_v the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v give_v in_o confirmation_n which_o be_v not_o give_v in_o baptism_n also_o heb._n 6._o 1._o therefore_o leave_v the_o principle_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n let_v we_o go_v on_o unto_o perfection_n not_o lay_v against_o the_o foundation_n of_o repentance_n from_o dead_a work_n and_o of_o faith_n towards_o god_n of_o baptism_n and_o of_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n the_o father_n affirm_v the_o same_o tertul._n de_fw-fr resur_n s._n pacian_n de_fw-fr bapt._n s._n amb._n the_o sacr_n s._n hierome_n contra_fw-la lucif_n s_o cypr._n l._n 2._o ep._n 1._o speak_v both_o of_o baptism_n and_o confirmation_n say_v then_o they_o may_v be_v sanctify_v and_o be_v the_o son_n of_o god_n if_o they_o be_v bear_v in_o both_o sacrament_n answ_n concern_v confirmation_n the_o romanist_n make_v it_o a_o sacrament_n proper_o so_o call_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o baptism_n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n the_o matter_n of_o this_o sacrament_n they_o make_v 11._o to_o be_v a_o certain_a ointment_n compound_v after_o a_o special_a manner_n and_o consecrate_v by_o a_o bishop_n wherewith_o the_o person_n to_o be_v confirm_v be_v anoint_v in_o the_o forehead_n in_o the_o form_n of_o a_o cross_n the_o form_n of_o the_o sacrament_n they_o make_v to_o consist_v in_o these_o word_n i_o sign_n thou_o with_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n and_o confirm_v thou_o with_o the_o chrism_n or_o ointment_n of_o salvation_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n and_o of_o the_o son_n and_o of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n the_o effect_n of_o this_o sacrament_n they_o say_v be_v to_o confer_v true_a sanctify_a grace_n and_o that_o more_o abundant_o than_o baptism_n do_v in_o respect_n of_o the_o strengthen_n of_o the_o soul_n against_o the_o assault_n of_o satan_n now_o this_o confirmation_n protestant_n deny_v to_o be_v a_o sacrament_n as_o have_v no_o institution_n nor_o any_o ground_n for_o it_o in_o the_o scripture_n the_o
but_o such_o as_o be_v threescore_o year_n old_a or_o more_o but_o the_o great_a difficulty_n be_v what_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o first_o faith_n which_o the_o apostle_n say_v the_o young_a widow_n do_v cast_v off_o and_o therefore_o have_v damnation_n 1_o tim._n 5._o 12._o it_o be_v true_a the_o ancient_a writer_n for_o most_o part_n expound_v it_o of_o a_o promise_n or_o covenant_n of_o a_o single_a life_n but_o all_o that_o go_v this_o way_n do_v not_o speak_v of_o any_o vow_n that_o be_v make_v neither_o chrysostome_n nor_o theophylact_fw-mi do_v upon_o the_o place_n yea_o chrysost_n some_o of_o the_o ancients_n show_v that_o they_o understand_v theophyl_n the_o apostle_n as_o speak_v of_o the_o christian_a faith_n or_o the_o common_a faith_n as_o it_o be_v call_v tit._n tit._n 1._o 4._o sure_a i_o be_o some_o of_o they_o make_v use_n of_o the_o apostle_n word_n and_o apply_v they_o that_o way_n hierome_n speak_v of_o heretic_n say_v that_o they_o have_v cast_v off_o or_o make_v void_a their_o first_o faith_n so_o haeres_fw-la vincentius_n lirinensis_n in_o his_o book_n against_o heresy_n say_v it_o be_v well_o know_v how_o grievous_o the_o bless_a apostle_n paul_n do_v inveigh_v against_o those_o who_o with_o wonderful_a lightness_n be_v quick_o remove_v from_o he_o that_o call_v they_o to_o the_o grace_n of_o christ_n unto_o another_o gospel_n which_o be_v not_o another_o who_o heap_v up_o to_o themselves_o teacher_n after_o their_o own_o lust_n turn_v away_o their_o ear_n from_o the_o truth_n be_v turn_v unto_o fable_n have_v damnation_n because_o they_o have_v make_v void_a their_o first_o faith_n bellarmine_n therefore_o be_v more_o curious_a suprà _fw-la and_o critical_a if_o not_o rather_o more_o captious_a and_o contentious_a then_o tender_a and_o respective_a of_o the_o credit_n of_o these_o ancient_a doctor_n when_o he_o say_v that_o faith_n here_o must_v be_v take_v for_o covenant_n and_o vow_n yet_o there_o may_v be_v a_o covenant_n where_o there_o be_v no_o vow_n and_o can_v be_v take_v for_o christian_a faith_n because_o christian_a faith_n be_v not_o right_o say_v to_o be_v make_v void_a but_o to_o be_v lose_v or_o corrupt_v but_o covenant_n and_o vow_n be_v most_o proper_o say_v to_o be_v make_v void_a hierom_n and_o vincentius_n understand_v the_o propriety_n of_o word_n as_o well_o as_o bellarmine_n who_o show_v himself_o fieri_fw-la barbarous_a in_o these_o very_a word_n wherein_o he_o so_o play_v the_o critic_n yet_o they_o we_o see_v think_v it_o not_o improper_a to_o say_v that_o heretic_n make_v void_v the_o faith_n which_o be_v necessary_o mean_v of_o the_o christian_a faith_n and_o not_o of_o any_o vow_n or_o covenant_n nether_a do_v i_o see_v but_o that_o we_o may_v as_o proper_o say_v that_o faith_n be_v mean_v of_o the_o christian_a faith_n be_v make_v void_a as_o 〈◊〉_d that_o the_o law_n be_v make_v void_a heb._n 10._o 28._o or_o that_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n be_v make_v void_a gal._n 2._o 21._o we_o read_v it_o in_o the_o former_a place_n despise_v in_o the_o other_o place_n frustrate_v but_o the_o greek_a word_n in_o both_o place_n be_v the_o same_o with_o that_o in_o the_o epistle_n to_o timothy_n and_o as_o the_o word_n will_v well_o bear_v this_o sense_n viz._n that_o it_o be_v the_o christian_a faith_n which_o the_o apostle_n say_v some_o do_v cast_v off_o or_o make_v void_a so_o this_o sense_n be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o apostle_n expression_n in_o other_o place_n of_o this_o epistle_n hold_v faith_n and_o a_o good_a conscience_n which_o some_o have_v put_v away_o concern_v faith_n have_v make_v shipwreck_n 1_o tim._n 1._o 19_o if_o they_o continue_v in_o faith_n 1_o tim._n 2._o 15._o some_o shall_v depart_v from_o the_o faith_n 1_o tim._n 4._o 1._o and_o in_o the_o very_a same_o chapter_n in_o which_o be_v the_o word_n controvert_v if_o any_o provide_v not_o for_o his_o own_o etc._n etc._n he_o have_v deny_v the_o faith_n etc._n etc._n 21._o 1_o tim._n 5._o 8._o so_o also_o in_o the_o other_o epistle_n to_o timothy_n who_o concern_v the_o truth_n have_v err_v etc._n etc._n and_o overthrow_v the_o faith_n of_o some_o 2_o tim._n 2._o 18._o man_n of_o corrupt_a mind_n reprobate_a concern_v the_o faith_n 2_o tim._n 3._o 8._o i_o have_v keep_v the_o faith_n 2_o tim._n 4._o 7._o in_o all_o these_o place_n faith_n be_v understand_v of_o christian_a faith_n and_o therefore_o probable_o so_o be_v it_o in_o that_o other_o place_n about_o which_o we_o dispute_v so_o that_o this_o may_v well_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o place_n that_o they_o of_o who_o the_o apostle_n speak_v be_v censure_v of_o the_o church_n for_o their_o lightness_n and_o lasciviousness_n and_o not_o able_a to_o bear_v the_o disgrace_n do_v quite_o cast_v off_o the_o christian_a faith_n which_o before_o they_o profess_v and_o so_o expose_v themselves_o unto_o damnation_n i_o see_v nothing_o uncouth_a nor_o incongruous_a in_o this_o exposition_n and_o it_o do_v well_o agree_v with_o that_o which_o the_o apostle_n say_v a_o little_a after_o for_o some_o be_v already_o turn_v after_o satan_n 1_o tim._n 5._o 15._o which_o word_v seem_v to_o import_v a_o plain_a and_o open_a renounce_n of_o christ_n as_o on_o the_o other_o side_n to_o come_v after_o christ_n be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o profess_v his_o name_n mat._n 16._o 24._o luke_n 9_o 23._o object_n but_o may_v some_o say_v the_o apostle_n reprove_v these_o of_o who_o he_o speak_v for_o that_o they_o begin_v to_o wax_v wanton_a against_o christ_n and_o will_v marry_v which_o argue_v that_o they_o have_v vow_v or_o profess_a continency_n for_o else_o why_o may_v they_o not_o marry_v the_o wife_n be_v bind_v by_o the_o law_n so_o long_o as_o her_o husband_n live_v but_o if_o her_o husband_n be_v dead_a she_o be_v at_o liberty_n to_o be_v marry_v to_o who_o she_o will_v only_o in_o the_o lord_n 1_o cor._n 7._o 39_o ans_fw-fr i_o grant_v that_o those_o widow_n though_o they_o do_v not_o vow_n yet_o by_o the_o very_a course_n of_o life_n which_o they_o enter_v upon_o do_v profess_v continency_n marriage_n and_o that_o course_n be_v inconsistent_a and_o just_o may_v they_o be_v reprove_v both_o for_o their_o rashness_n in_o take_v upon_o they_o that_o profession_n and_o for_o their_o lightness_n in_o fall_v off_o from_o it_o when_o there_o be_v no_o just_a cause_n for_o it_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o simple_o condemn_v they_o for_o have_v a_o mind_n to_o marry_v but_o because_o out_o of_o wantonness_n they_o will_v needs_o marry_v and_o it_o may_v be_v call_v wantonness_n against_o christ_n because_o they_o have_v addict_v themselves_o to_o the_o service_n of_o christ_n in_o his_o church_n and_o member_n which_o service_n they_o do_v desert_n by_o their_o wantonness_n and_o in_o this_o sense_n by_o their_o first_o faith_n may_v be_v mean_v the_o promise_n either_o formal_a or_o virtual_a which_o those_o widow_n do_v make_v unto_o the_o church_n that_o they_o will_v remain_v widow_n and_o not_o marry_v which_o promise_n they_o break_v mere_o out_o of_o wantonness_n well_o may_v the_o apostle_n say_v that_o they_o have_v damnation_n for_o it_o but_o all_o this_o prove_v not_o that_o it_o be_v sinful_a and_o damnable_a for_o any_o that_o have_v vow_v continency_n afterward_o to_o marry_v though_o bellarmine_n will_v by_o no_o mean_n endure_v that_o those_o word_n 30._o of_o the_o apostle_n i_o will_v therefore_o that_o the_o young_a widow_n marry_v etc._n etc._n 1_o tim._n 5._o 14._o be_v understand_v of_o such_o as_o have_v profess_v continency_n as_o if_o the_o apostle_n will_v have_v such_o to_o marry_v if_o they_o can_v not_o contain_v so_o also_o estius_n upon_o the_o place_n who_o say_v that_o otherwise_o the_o apostle_n shall_v 14._o cast_v they_o headlong_o into_o damnation_n for_o if_o they_o have_v damnation_n who_o have_v a_o will_v to_o marry_v how_o much_o more_o they_o that_o do_v marry_v but_o though_o i_o think_v that_o the_o apostle_n direct_v meaning_n be_v that_o the_o young_a widow_n shall_v not_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o number_n of_o those_o who_o be_v by_o their_o place_n and_o calling_n to_o profess_v continency_n into_o which_o number_n he_o will_v have_v none_o admit_v under_o 60._o year_n old_a yet_o estius_n his_o reason_n be_v not_o valid_a for_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o say_v that_o the_o young_a widow_n be_v admit_v into_o that_o number_n and_o afterward_o willing_a to_o marry_v or_o actual_o marry_v therefore_o have_v damnation_n but_o because_o they_o will_v marry_v out_o of_o wantonness_n and_o so_o out_o of_o wantonness_n make_v void_a their_o first_o faith_n viz._n their_o promise_n of_o continency_n make_v to_o the_o church_n if_o not_o their_o christian_a faith_n which_o before_o they_o profess_v notwithstanding_o which_o sentence_n it_o follow_v not_o but_o
and_o bellarmine_n pretend_v that_o athan._n the_o chaldie_n paraphra_v and_o the_o rabbin_n do_v expound_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d gehinnom_n which_o signify_v the_o place_n where_o the_o damn_a be_v in_o torment_n but_o 1._o if_o it_o be_v so_o this_o be_v nothing_o to_o that_o limbus_n which_o they_o contend_v for_o 2._o neither_o be_v it_o true_a that_o those_o author_n do_v usual_o so_o expound_v the_o word_n for_o the_o chaldie_n paraphra_v for_o the_o most_o part_n keep_v the_o hebrew_n word_n sheol_n itself_o only_o sometime_o it_o be_v a_o little_a change_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d shiol_n and_o many_o time_n do_v he_o use_v the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d kebura_n or_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d keburta_fw-mi that_o be_v the_o grave_a to_o express_v the_o hebrew_n sheol_n by_o or_o which_o be_v the_o same_o in_o effect_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v keburta_n or_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i._o e._n the_o house_n of_o the_o grave_a as_o job._n 7._o 9_o and_o 14._o 13._o and_o 17._o 13._o and_o 16._o psal_n 89._o 48._o and_o 141._o 7._o and_o eccles_n 9_o 10._o in_o all_o these_o place_n do_v the_o chaldie_n pharaphra_v render_v the_o hebrew_n word_n sheol_n the_o grave_n or_o the_o house_n of_o the_o grave_n let_v any_o romanist_n show_v that_o he_o render_v it_o so_o often_o by_o that_o word_n which_o signify_v the_o place_n of_o torment_n though_o as_o i_o say_v before_o that_o be_v nothing_o to_o their_o limbus_n patrum_fw-la and_o thus_o also_o do_v the_o rabbin_n interpret_v the_o word_n sheol_n r._n levi_n say_v that_o sheol_n do_v signify_v the_o grave_a and_o that_o therefore_o it_o be_v put_v for_o death_n 2_o sam._n 22._o 6._o 10._o so_o also_o r._n nathan_n mordecai_n in_o his_o hebrew_a concordance_n say_v that_o the_o interpretation_n of_o sheol_n be_v the_o grave_a aben_n ezra_n also_o say_v the_o same_o in_o his_o commentary_n on_o gen._n 37._o 35._o and_o moreover_o he_o tax_v the_o vulgar_a latin_a translator_n for_o interpret_n sheol_n there_o hell_n suppose_v he_o to_o have_v mean_v the_o hell_n of_o the_o damn_a kimchi_n likewise_o say_v that_o those_o word_n psal_n 16._o 10._o thou_o will_v not_o suffer_v thy_o holy_a one_o to_o see_v corruption_n be_v but_o a_o repetition_n of_o that_o which_o go_v before_o thou_o will_v not_o leave_v my_o soul_n in_o hell_n which_o show_v that_o he_o take_v sheol_n there_o render_v hell_n for_o the_o grave_a it_o be_v true_a sometime_o the_o rabbin_n expound_v sheol_n by_o gehinnam_fw-la i._n e._n hell_n the_o place_n of_o torment_n but_o they_o do_v not_o hold_v that_o to_o be_v the_o simple_a and_o genuine_a signification_n of_o the_o word_n as_o appear_v by_o r._n solomon_n on_o gen._n 37._o 35._o who_o say_v that_o sheol_n there_o according_a to_o the_o literal_a exposition_n be_v the_o grave_a and_o that_o 35._o jacob_n meaning_n be_v that_o he_o will_v go_v mourning_n to_o the_o grave_a and_o will_v not_o be_v comfort_v but_o that_o according_a to_o the_o mystical_a exposition_n by_o sheol_n there_o be_v mean_v gehinnam_fw-la the_o hell_n of_o the_o damn_a so_o kimchi_n upon_o those_o word_n psal_n 9_o 17._o 17._o the_o wicked_a shall_v be_v turn_v into_o hell_n where_o the_o hebrew_n be_v sheol_n interpret_v it_o let_v the_o wicked_a be_v turn_v into_o the_o grave_a and_o afterward_o add_v that_o mystical_o there_o by_o sheol_n be_v understand_v gehinnam_fw-la the_o place_n of_o torment_n obj._n but_o they_o say_v that_o in_o these_o word_n thou_o will_v not_o leave_v my_o soul_n in_o hell_n the_o grave_n can_v be_v mean_v by_o hell_n because_o the_o grave_n be_v not_o a_o place_n for_o the_o soul_n but_o for_o the_o body_n answ_n the_o word_n soul_n be_v sometime_o put_v for_o the_o body_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o for_o man_n consider_v in_o respect_n of_o the_o body_n as_o gen._n 46._o 26._o all_o the_o soul_n that_o come_v with_o jacob_n into_o egypt_n which_o come_v out_o of_o his_o loin_n etc._n etc._n there_o by_o soul_n be_v mean_v body_n or_o person_n in_o respect_n of_o their_o body_n for_o so_o general_o both_o protestant_n and_o romanist_n do_v hold_v that_o not_o the_o soul_n proper_o but_o the_o body_n of_o child_n do_v proceed_v from_o the_o loin_n of_o their_o parent_n yea_o and_o sometime_o by_o soul_n be_v mean_v the_o body_n when_o the_o soul_n be_v depart_v out_o of_o it_o as_o num._n 19_o 13._o whosoever_o touch_v the_o dead_a body_n of_o any_o man_n etc._n etc._n there_o the_o word_n render_v 〈◊〉_d dead_a body_n be_v that_o which_o psal_n 16._o 10._o and_o so_o usual_o elsewhere_o be_v render_v soul_n 12._o bellarmine_n to_o take_v away_o this_o answer_n say_v that_o there_o be_v great_a difference_n betwixt_o the_o hebrew_n word_n nephesh_n and_o the_o greek_a psyche_n both_o which_o be_v render_v soul_n for_o nephesh_n he_o say_v be_v a_o most_o general_a word_n and_o without_o any_o trope_n do_v signify_v both_o soul_n and_o live_a creature_n yea_o and_o the_o body_n also_o but_o the_o greek_a psyche_n he_o say_v and_o so_o the_o latin_a anima_fw-la be_v not_o so_o general_a as_o without_o a_o trope_n to_o signify_v the_o whole_a live_a creature_n and_o therefore_o in_o body_n leviticus_n he_o say_v one_o part_n be_v not_o put_v for_o another_o viz._n the_o soul_n for_o the_o body_n but_o there_o be_v the_o word_n that_o usual_o signify_v the_o body_n itself_o or_o the_o whole_a be_v put_v for_o the_o part_n that_o be_v the_o live_a creature_n for_o the_o body_n but_o in_o act_n 2._o be_v use_v the_o word_n psyche_n which_o do_v signify_v the_o soul_n only_o thus_o bellarmine_n but_o a_o pity_n it_o be_v to_o see_v how_o a_o learned_a man_n rather_o than_o he_o will_v submit_v to_o truth_n do_v plunge_v himself_o into_o absurdity_n yea_o more_o absurdity_n than_o one_o but_o to_o pass_v by_o the_o rest_n this_o be_v most_o gross_a that_o bellarmine_n do_v so_o distinguish_v betwixt_o nephesh_n and_o psyche_n as_o if_o the_o former_a sometime_o do_v signify_v the_o whole_a live_a creature_n or_o the_o body_n only_o but_o not_o so_o the_o latter_a when_o as_o in_o these_o very_a place_n of_o leviticus_n which_o bellarmine_n do_v speak_v of_o viz._n levit._n 21._o 1._o and_o 11._o as_o in_o the_o hebrew_n 11._o the_o word_n nephesh_n so_o in_o the_o greek_a the_o word_n psyche_n be_v use_v and_o therefore_o it_o be_v apparent_o false_a that_o the_o greek_a word_n psyche_n do_v signify_v the_o soul_n only_o yea_o but_o say_v bellarmine_n when_o even_o nephesh_n be_v oppose_v to_o flesh_n it_o ibid._n can_v be_v take_v for_o flesh_n now_o here_o soul_n be_v oppose_v to_o flesh_n his_o soul_n be_v not_o leave_v in_o hell_n neither_o his_o flesh_n do_v see_v corruption_n act_n 2._o 31._o and_o therefore_o here_o by_o no_o mean_n can_v signify_v a_o dead_a body_n i_o answer_v that_o in_o those_o word_n act_n 2._o 31._o there_o be_v no_o opposition_n betwixt_o soul_n and_o flesh_n no_o more_o than_o there_o be_v a_o opposition_n betwixt_o leave_n and_o forsake_v in_o those_o word_n heb._n 13._o 6._o i_o will_v not_o leave_v thou_o nor_o forsake_v thou_o so_o then_o notwithstanding_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v object_v in_o those_o word_n thou_o will_v not_o leave_v my_o soul_n in_o hell_n by_o hell_n may_v be_v mean_v the_o grave_a and_o by_o soul_n the_o body_n but_o if_o the_o word_n soul_n be_v take_v proper_o then_o by_o hell_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v the_o power_n of_o death_n or_o the_o state_n of_o the_o dead_a and_o thus_o do_v romish_a writer_n sometime_o expound_v the_o word_n hell_n as_o jansenius_n upon_o those_o word_n prov._n 15._o 11._o hell_n and_o destruction_n be_v before_o the_o 11._o lord_n note_n that_o by_o hell_n and_o destruction_n be_v signify_v the_o state_n of_o the_o dead_a not_o only_o of_o the_o damn_a as_o we_o usual_o conceive_v when_o we_o hear_v those_o word_n but_o the_o state_n of_o all_o in_o general_a that_o be_v depart_v out_o of_o this_o life_n so_o genebrard_n expound_v that_o psalm_n 30._o 3._o thou_o have_v bring_v up_o my_o soul_n from_o sheol_n 3._o from_o hell_n as_o the_o vulgar_a latin_a read_v it_o he_o expound_v it_o i_o say_v thus_o thou_o have_v deliver_v i_o from_o the_o state_n of_o the_o dead_a so_o likewise_o the_o same_o author_n upon_o psal_n 88_o or_o 89._o 48._o 48._o say_v hell_n do_v signify_v the_o whole_a state_n of_o the_o dead_a thus_o general_o all_o that_o die_v whether_o they_o be_v godly_a or_o wicked_a be_v say_v as_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o body_n to_o go_v to_o the_o grave_a so_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o soul_n to_o descend_v into_o hell_n this_o be_v the_o law_n of_o humane_a necessity_n say_v hilary_n that_o
when_o man_n body_n be_v bury_v 138._o their_o soul_n descend_v into_o hell_n which_o descent_n the_o lord_n to_o prove_v himself_o true_a man_n do_v not_o refuse_v the_o word_n also_o of_o s._n peter_n do_v confirm_v this_o exposition_n viz._n that_o hell_n in_o which_o christ_n soul_n be_v but_o be_v not_o leave_v be_v the_o state_n of_o the_o dead_a or_o the_o power_n of_o death_n who_o god_n have_v raise_v up_o have_v loose_v the_o pain_n of_o death_n because_o it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o he_o shall_v be_v hold_v of_o it_o for_o david_n speak_v concern_v he_o etc._n etc._n act_v 2._o 24._o etc._n etc._n to_o prove_v that_o christ_n can_v not_o be_v hold_v by_o death_n be_v 〈◊〉_d still_o keep_v under_o the_o power_n of_o it_o peter_n allege_v the_o word_n of_o david_n concern_v christ_n thou_o will_v not_o leave_v my_o soul_n in_o hell_n therefore_o christ_n not_o be_v leave_v in_o hell_n signify_v nothing_o else_o but_o it_o be_v not_o be_v leave_v under_o the_o power_n of_o death_n and_o consequent_o his_o be_v in_o hell_n import_v nothing_o else_o but_o his_o be_v under_o the_o power_n of_o death_n under_o which_o he_o be_v keep_v for_o a_o while_n viz._n until_o his_o resurrection_n and_o this_o may_v suffice_v for_o answer_v to_o the_o objection_n from_o act_n 2._o 27._o the_o next_o place_n object_v be_v 1_o pet._n 3._o 18_o 19_o of_o which_o place_n i_o marvel_v that_o the_o marquesse_n shall_v say_v that_o it_o be_v yet_o plain_a than_o either_o of_o the_o former_a austin_n be_v consult_v by_o evodius_n about_o the_o meaning_n of_o that_o place_n confess_v that_o ibid._n it_o do_v exceed_o puzzle_v he_o and_o that_o he_o dare_v not_o affirm_v any_o thing_n about_o it_o and_o the_o jesuit_n lorinus_n in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o it_o call_v it_o difficillimum_fw-la locum_fw-la a_o most_o difficult_a place_n and_o rehearse_n ten_o several_a exposition_n of_o it_o and_o so_o estius_n also_o upon_o the_o place_n say_v this_o place_n in_o the_o judgement_n 29._o almost_o of_o all_o interpreter_n be_v most_o difficult_a and_o be_v so_o diverse_o expound_v that_o john_n lorinus_n do_v reckon_v up_o nine_o interpretation_n of_o it_o to_o which_o he_o add_v his_o own_o for_o the_o ten_o and_o yet_o he_o have_v not_o touch_v all_o neither_o and_o both_o he_o and_o lorinus_n note_v that_o only_a arias_n montanus_n do_v think_v the_o place_n easy_a to_o be_v understand_v but_o withal_o that_o his_o exposition_n of_o it_o be_v such_o as_o that_o other_o will_v not_o easy_o embrace_v it_o for_o as_o they_o relate_v arias_n by_o the_o spirit_n in_o prison_n do_v understand_v those_o eight_o person_n that_o be_v shut_v up_o in_o the_o ark_n which_o be_v a_o kind_n of_o prison_n unto_o they_o bellarmine_n also_o upon_o occasion_n of_o this_o controversy_n 13._o about_o limbus_n patrum_fw-la and_o christ_n descend_v into_o hell_n treat_v of_o this_o place_n of_o peter_n say_v that_o it_o have_v always_o be_v account_v a_o most_o obscure_a place_n some_o have_v think_v that_o by_o prison_n in_o those_o word_n of_o peter_n be_v mean_v hell_n the_o place_n of_o torment_n and_o that_o christ_n go_v and_o preach_v there_o and_o that_o such_o as_o do_v then_o believe_v be_v deliver_v and_o thus_o etc._n hilary_n seem_v to_o have_v understand_v it_o who_o say_v that_o the_o apostle_n peter_n do_v testify_v that_o when_o christ_n descend_v into_o hell_n exhortation_n be_v preachde_v also_o to_o those_o that_o be_v in_o the_o prison_n who_o have_v sometime_o be_v incredulous_a in_o the_o day_n of_o noah_n for_o this_o opinion_n hilary_n be_v tax_v though_o not_o name_v by_o bede_n as_o estius_n observe_v who_o yet_o endeavour_v to_o excuse_n hilary_n as_o not_o mean_v by_o this_o prison_n the_o hell_n of_o the_o damn_a but_o purgatory_n and_o in_o that_o sense_n ibid._n estius_n himself_o also_o do_v understand_v the_o word_n of_o peter_n viz._n that_o by_o the_o spirit_n in_o prison_n be_v mean_v the_o soul_n of_o those_o that_o be_v in_o pain_n and_o torment_v for_o the_o expiate_a of_o their_o sin_n until_o that_o christ_n come_v and_o preach_v deliverance_n unto_o they_o but_o of_o purgatory_n i_o shall_v speak_v hereafter_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n so_o much_o be_v obtain_v that_o if_o the_o place_n be_v mean_v of_o purgatory_n than_o not_o of_o limbus_n patrum_fw-la for_o that_o place_n as_o they_o describe_v it_o do_v much_o differ_v from_o purgatory_n as_o be_v a_o place_n they_o say_v in_o which_o be_v no_o pain_n or_o torment_v but_o it_o may_v seem_v strange_a that_o the_o marquesse_n shall_v allege_v austin_n epist_n 99_o as_o hold_v that_o by_o the_o prison_n which_o peter_n speak_v of_o be_v mean_v limbus_n patrum_fw-la when_o as_o indeed_o austin_n in_o that_o epistle_n be_v much_o against_o it_o for_o beside_o what_o i_o have_v before_o cite_v out_o of_o that_o 99_o epistle_n he_o say_v that_o christ_n by_o the_o beatifical_a presence_n of_o his_o divinity_n do_v never_o depart_v from_o those_o just_a person_n that_o be_v in_o abraham_n bosom_n which_o the_o marquesse_n say_v be_v the_o same_o place_n with_o that_o call_v limbus_n patrum_fw-la and_o therefore_o he_o do_v not_o find_v what_o christ_n do_v for_o they_o when_o he_o descend_v into_o ibid._n hell_n and_o have_v consider_v what_o he_o can_v of_o the_o word_n of_o peter_n he_o rather_o think_v that_o they_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o hell_n at_o all_o and_o therefore_o by_o the_o spirit_n in_o prison_n he_o conceive_v to_o be_v mean_v man_n that_o live_v in_o the_o day_n of_o noah_n who_o soul_n be_v in_o their_o mortal_a body_n as_o in_o a_o prison_n to_o which_o man_n he_o say_v christ_n by_o his_o spirit_n in_o noah_n do_v preach_v though_o they_o yet_o nevertheless_o will_v not_o believe_v citat_fw-la bellarmine_n and_o estius_n and_o other_o do_v acknowledge_v this_o to_o have_v be_v the_o opinion_n of_o austin_n in_o that_o epistle_n concern_v the_o word_n of_o peter_n and_o bellarmine_n also_o do_v confess_v that_o this_o of_o austin_n do_v differ_v but_o little_a from_o bezaes_n exposition_n of_o the_o place_n viz._n that_o by_o the_o spirit_n in_o prison_n be_v mean_v the_o soul_n of_o man_n which_o be_v now_o when_o peter_n write_v of_o they_o in_o prison_n that_o be_v in_o hell_n to_o which_o man_n christ_n by_o his_o divine_a spirit_n in_o noah_n do_v preach_v when_o they_o be_v alive_a upon_o earth_n and_o sure_o any_o that_o be_v impartial_a will_v judge_v this_o exposition_n in_o that_o wherein_o it_o differ_v from_o austin_n the_o more_o probable_a and_o yet_o bellarmine_n to_o show_v his_o suprà _fw-la partiality_n say_v that_o he_o will_v not_o have_v refute_v austin_n exposition_n if_o austin_n himself_o have_v be_v altogether_o please_v with_o it_o 19_o austin_n exposition_n be_v embrace_v not_o only_o by_o bede_n who_o bellarmine_n only_o mention_n as_o herein_o follow_v austin_n but_o also_o by_o aquinas_n and_o other_o as_o estius_n observe_v who_o also_o add_v that_o hesselius_n a_o romish_a author_n do_v understand_v the_o place_n much_o after_o the_o same_o manner_n and_o as_o lorinus_n do_v relate_v diegus_n 3._o paiva_n one_o that_o write_v in_o defence_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n do_v direct_o expound_v the_o word_n of_o peter_n as_o beza_n do_v though_o he_o will_v not_o have_v it_o think_v that_o paiva_n do_v receive_v his_o exposition_n from_o beza_n but_o against_o both_o austin_n and_o bezaes_n exposition_n it_o be_v object_v first_o that_o citat_fw-la the_o spirit_n by_o which_o christ_n go_v and_o preach_v to_o the_o spirit_n in_o prison_n 1_o pet._n 3._o 18_o 19_o be_v oppose_v to_o the_o flesh_n and_o therefore_o must_v signify_v christ_n soul_n and_o not_o his_o divine_a nature_n i_o answer_v that_o christ_n divine_a nature_n be_v most_o fit_o understand_v there_o by_o the_o word_n spirit_n even_o as_o by_o the_o word_n flesh_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v not_o only_o his_o body_n but_o his_o whole_a humane_a nature_n in_o respect_n of_o which_o nature_n christ_n be_v put_v to_o death_n and_o be_v quicken_v by_o his_o divine_a nature_n thus_o do_v oecumenius_n expound_v it_o put_v to_o death_n in_o the_o nature_n of_o flesh_n loc_n that_o be_v the_o humane_a nature_n and_o raise_v again_o by_o the_o power_n of_o the_o divine_a nature_n and_o why_o shall_v this_o exposition_n seem_v strange_a when_o as_o flesh_n be_v put_v for_o christ_n humane_a nature_n joh._n 1._o 14._o the_o word_n be_v make_v flesh_n and_o so_o also_o rom._n 1._o 3._o and_o 9_o 5._o and_o therefore_o on_o the_o other_o side_n the_o word_n spirit_n may_v well_o denote_v christ_n divine_a nature_n for_o this_o exposition_n estius_n also_o cite_v austin_n and_o athanasius_n as_o allege_v by_o bede_n and_o he_o do_v well_o observe_v that_o
this_o sense_n agree_v with_o that_o which_o be_v say_v of_o christ_n 2_o cor._n 13._o 4._o for_o though_o he_o be_v crucify_v through_o weakness_n yet_o he_o live_v by_o the_o power_n of_o god_n beside_o if_o we_o shall_v read_v quicken_v in_o the_o spirit_n and_o by_o spirit_n understand_v christ_n soul_n it_o will_v follow_v that_o christ_n soul_n affert_fw-la be_v sometime_o dead_a this_o be_v austin_n argument_n against_o that_o exposition_n as_o be_v observe_v by_o bellarmine_n who_o say_v that_o the_o argument_n do_v not_o conclude_v for_o that_o often_o in_o the_o scripture_n that_o be_v say_v to_o be_v quicken_v which_o be_v not_o put_v to_o death_n but_o his_o answer_n be_v not_o satisfactory_a for_o though_o it_o be_v true_a that_o in_o the_o scripture_n to_o quicken_v or_o to_o make_v alive_a be_v sometime_o no_o more_o than_o to_o preserve_v vivificare_fw-la and_o keep_v alive_a as_o 1_o sam._n 27._o 11._o and_o 2_o sam._n 8._o 2._o where_o both_o in_o the_o original_a and_o in_o the_o vulgar_a latin_a the_o word_n use_v do_v signify_v to_o make_v alive_a yet_o nevertheless_o nothing_o in_o scripture_n be_v say_v to_o be_v make_v that_o be_v keep_v alive_a but_o that_o which_o be_v obnoxious_a unto_o death_n and_o may_v die_v but_o christ_n soul_n and_o general_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n be_v of_o a_o immortal_a nature_n and_o do_v not_o die_v when_o the_o body_n die_v beside_o what_o great_a matter_n be_v it_o as_o estius_n observe_v if_o when_o christ_n body_n die_v his_o soul_n do_v remain_v ibid._n alive_a when_o as_o even_o in_o the_o worst_a man_n that_o be_v the_o soul_n do_v not_o die_v as_o be_v by_o nature_n immortal_a and_o therefore_o he_o say_v it_o be_v better_a understand_v thus_o christ_n be_v quicken_v in_o the_o spirit_n that_o be_v he_o be_v make_v a_o quicken_a spirit_n viz._n when_o he_o rise_v from_o death_n unto_o life_n immortal_a and_o he_o cite_v that_o 1_o cor._n 15._o 45._o the_o first_o man_n adam_n be_v make_v a_o live_a soul_n the_o last_o adam_n be_v make_v a_o quicken_a spirit_n but_o that_o sense_n will_v not_o well_o suit_n the_o word_n of_o peter_n which_o do_v not_o show_v what_o christ_n be_v make_v be_v rise_v again_o but_o in_o what_o respect_n and_o by_o what_o mean_v he_o do_v rise_v again_o viz._n by_o the_o spirit_n that_o be_v by_o his_o divine_a nature_n as_o in_o the_o flesh_n that_o be_v his_o humane_a nature_n he_o be_v put_v to_o death_n but_o again_o it_o be_v object_v that_o s._n peter_n say_v christ_n go_v and_o preach_v to_o the_o spirit_n in_o prison_n therefore_o it_o be_v mean_v of_o the_o soul_n not_o of_o his_o divine_a nature_n in_o which_o respect_n cit_fw-la it_o can_v be_v say_v but_o improper_o that_o he_o go_v i_o answer_v there_o be_v no_o necessity_n to_o take_v it_o proper_o in_o the_o word_n of_o peter_n more_o than_o in_o the_o word_n of_o paul_n ephes_n 2._o 17._o when_o he_o say_v that_o christ_n come_v and_o preach_v peace_n unto_o the_o ephesian_n which_o must_v be_v mean_v of_o come_v and_o preach_v by_o the_o apostle_n for_o otherwise_o christ_n in_o his_o own_o person_n do_v not_o come_v and_o preach_v unto_o they_o and_o thus_o estius_n note_v it_o to_o be_v expound_v by_o ambrose_n the_o interlineary_a gloss_n aquinas_n lyra_n and_o cajetane_v it_o be_v object_v again_o that_o by_o spirit_n in_o prison_n can_v be_v understand_v live_v man_n except_o s._n peter_n shall_v on_o suprà _fw-la purpose_n speak_v improper_o and_o obscure_o i_o answer_v according_a to_o bezaes_n exposition_n which_o in_o his_o particular_a do_v differ_v from_o austin_n and_o be_v the_o more_o probable_a not_o live_v man_n but_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n separate_v from_o their_o body_n be_v term_v spirit_n in_o prison_n as_o be_v in_o the_o prison_n of_o hell_n when_o peter_n write_v of_o they_o though_o they_o be_v not_o so_o but_o be_v join_v to_o their_o body_n and_o so_o both_o soul_n and_o body_n join_v together_o be_v live_v man_n when_o christ_n preach_v unto_o they_o but_o bellarmine_n further_o object_n that_o 1_o pet._n 4._o 6._o where_o it_o be_v say_v that_o ibid._n the_o gospel_n be_v preach_v to_o the_o dead_a which_o he_o will_v have_v so_o understand_v as_o that_o man_n be_v dead_a and_o depart_v out_o of_o this_o life_n the_o gospel_n be_v preach_v unto_o they_o but_o the_o true_a and_o genuine_a meaning_n of_o the_o word_n rather_o be_v this_o that_o the_o gospel_n be_v preach_v to_o they_o that_o be_v now_o dead_a though_o they_o be_v not_o dead_a but_o alive_a when_o the_o gospel_n be_v preach_v unto_o they_o even_o as_o in_o the_o verse_n immediate_o go_v before_o it_o be_v say_v that_o christ_n will_v judge_v both_o the_o quick_a and_o the_o dead_a that_o be_v those_o that_o be_v now_o alive_a or_o shall_v be_v alive_a at_o christ_n come_v and_o those_o that_o be_v now_o dead_a or_o shall_v be_v dead_a at_o christ_n come_v who_o yet_o shall_v not_o be_v judge_v while_o they_o be_v dead_a but_o they_o shall_v be_v raise_v up_o and_o make_v alive_a and_o so_o be_v judge_v as_o therefore_o peter_n call_v they_o dead_a because_o so_o they_o be_v now_o and_o be_v when_o he_o write_v of_o they_o though_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v dead_a but_o alive_a when_o they_o shall_v be_v judge_v so_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n he_o call_v they_o dead_a to_o who_o the_o gospel_n be_v preach_v though_o when_o the_o gospel_n be_v preach_v unto_o they_o they_o be_v alive_a and_o not_o dead_a and_o in_o like_a manner_n he_o call_v they_o spirit_n in_o prison_n to_o who_o christ_n go_v and_o preach_v because_o so_o they_o be_v when_o he_o write_v though_o they_o be_v not_o so_o when_o christ_n go_v and_o preach_v unto_o they_o but_o bellarmine_n charge_v beza_n with_o be_v so_o bold_a as_o to_o change_v cit_fw-la the_o text_n because_o where_o they_o read_v the_o spirit_n that_o be_v in_o prison_n he_o read_v the_o spirit_n that_o be_v in_o prison_n but_o as_o beslarmine_n himself_o can_v not_o but_o confess_v in_o the_o original_a there_o be_v neither_o that_o be_v nor_o that_o be_v but_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d be_v as_o our_o translatour_n render_v they_o the_o spirit_n in_o prison_n so_o that_o either_o the_o word_n that_o be_v or_o that_o be_v may_v be_v understand_v as_o the_o sense_n will_v bear_v estius_n confess_v that_o some_o i_o suppose_v he_o mean_v some_o not_o loc_n protestant_n understand_v that_o be_v but_o he_o hold_v it_o better_a to_o understand_v that_o be_v as_o the_o verb_n be_v of_o the_o pretertense_n preach_v but_o this_o reason_n be_v of_o no_o moment_n for_o if_o because_o the_o word_n preach_v have_v reference_n to_o the_o time_n past_a therefore_o it_o must_v be_v mean_v of_o the_o spirit_n that_o be_v in_o prison_n when_o christ_n preach_v unto_o they_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n when_o it_o be_v say_v that_o christ_n shall_v judge_v both_o the_o quick_a and_o the_o dead_a because_o shall_v judge_v do_v respect_v the_o time_n to_o come_v therefore_o also_o it_o must_v be_v mean_v of_o those_o that_o shall_v be_v dead_a when_o christ_n shall_v judge_v they_o but_o this_o do_v not_o follow_v and_o so_o neither_o do_v the_o other_o and_o thus_o i_o hope_v it_o may_v appear_v that_o those_o word_n of_o peter_n make_v nothing_o for_o limbus_n patrum_fw-la the_o four_o and_o last_o place_n of_o scripture_n which_o be_v allege_v by_o the_o marquesse_n be_v zach._n 9_o 11._o where_o the_o pit_n that_o be_v speak_v of_o he_o say_v can_v be_v the_o place_n of_o the_o damn_a nor_o the_o grave_a but_o what_o then_o must_v it_o therefore_o be_v limbus_n patrum_fw-la it_o do_v not_o follow_v for_o by_o the_o pit_n there_o may_v be_v something_o else_o mean_v then_o either_o the_o place_n of_o the_o damn_a or_o the_o grave_a or_o limbus_n patrum_fw-la viz._n the_o babylonish_n captivity_n as_o the_o rabbin_n upon_o the_o place_n expound_v it_o bellarmine_n cite_v calvin_n for_o this_o 11._o exposition_n say_v that_o it_o have_v no_o probability_n because_o immediate_o before_o there_o be_v a_o prophecy_n of_o christ_n rejoice_v great_o o_o daughter_n of_o zion_n behold_v thy_o king_n come_v unto_o thou_o etc._n etc._n therefore_o say_v he_o how_o shall_v ibid._n these_o thing_n cohere_v if_o the_o captivity_n of_o babylon_n be_v speak_v of_o i_o answer_v well_o enough_o the_o prophet_n have_v tell_v they_o of_o christ_n come_v unto_o they_o may_v well_o present_o after_o speak_v of_o their_o deliverance_n out_o of_o captivity_n as_o a_o great_a benefit_n which_o they_o have_v already_o obtain_v through_o christ_n in_o who_o all_o the_o promise_n be_v yea_o and_o in_o he_o amen_o 2_o cor._n 1._o 20._o and_o whereby_o they_o may_v be_v assure_v of_o far_o
god_n so_o nigh_o at_o hand_n how_o do_v thing_n heavenly_a and_o eternal_a succeed_v thing_n earthly_a and_o fade_a if_o after_o this_o life_n the_o soul_n of_o christian_n may_v continue_v many_o hundred_o year_n perhaps_o in_o the_o flame_n of_o purgatory_n before_o they_o can_v get_v to_o heaven_n may_v not_o this_o well_o make_v every_o one_o to_o fear_v death_n and_o to_o tremble_v at_o the_o approach_n of_o it_o may_v not_o a_o christian_a at_o his_o death_n well_o cry_v imperat_fw-la out_o with_o the_o heathen_a emperor_n o_o poor_a soul_n whither_o be_v thou_o now_o go_v but_o ibid._n cyprian_n go_v on_o and_o cite_v that_o of_o simeon_n lord_n now_o let_v thou_o thy_o servant_n depart_v in_o peace_n for_o my_o eye_n have_v see_v thy_o salvation_n he_o add_v that_o then_o the_o servant_n of_o god_n have_v peace_n than_o they_o have_v free_a and_o calm_a quietness_n when_o be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o tempest_n of_o this_o world_n we_o arrive_v at_o the_o haven_n of_o eternal_a rest_n and_o security_n when_o as_o this_o death_n be_v pass_v we_o come_v to_o immortality_n and_o so_o again_o god_n do_v promise_v immortality_n and_o eternity_n unto_o thou_o when_o thou_o go_v out_o of_o the_o world_n and_o do_v thou_o doubt_v this_o be_v not_o at_o all_o to_o know_v god_n this_o be_v to_o offend_v christ_n the_o lord_n and_o master_n of_o believer_n with_o the_o sin_n of_o unbelief_n this_o be_v to_o be_v in_o the_o church_n the_o house_n of_o faith_n and_o yet_o to_o have_v no_o faith_n how_o profitable_a it_o be_v to_o go_v out_o of_o the_o world_n christ_n himself_o the_o master_n of_o our_o salvation_n and_o welfare_n do_v show_v who_o when_o his_o disciple_n be_v sorrowful_a because_o he_o say_v he_o be_v to_o leave_v they_o say_v if_o you_o have_v love_v i_o you_o will_v rejoice_v because_o i_o go_v to_o the_o father_n joh._n 14._o 28._o teach_v we_o that_o we_o shall_v rather_o rejoice_v then_o be_v sorry_a when_o they_o depart_v out_o of_o the_o world_n who_o we_o love_v who_o be_v dear_a unto_o we_o thus_o also_o hierome_n write_v to_o paula_n to_o 25._o comfort_v she_o concern_v the_o death_n of_o her_o daughter_n blaesilla_n say_v let_v the_o dead_a be_v lament_v but_o such_o a_o one_o who_o the_o place_n of_o torment_n do_v receive_v who_o hell_n do_v devour_v for_o who_o punishment_n the_o everlasting_a fire_n do_v burn_v we_o who_o departure_n a_o troop_n of_o angel_n do_v accompany_v who_o christ_n do_v come_v to_o meet_v be_v more_o grieve_v or_o as_o some_o read_v gravemur_fw-la let_v we_o be_v more_o grieve_v if_o we_o abide_v long_o in_o this_o tabernacle_n of_o death_n because_o so_o long_o as_o we_o abide_v here_o we_o be_v as_o pilgrim_n absent_a from_o the_o lord_n let_v that_o desire_n possess_v we_o woe_n be_v i_o that_o my_o pilgrimage_n be_v prolong_v etc._n etc._n austin_n plain_o say_v that_o the_o catholic_a faith_n by_o divine_a authority_n do_v believe_v the_o first_o medium_n place_n to_o be_v the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n the_o second_o to_o be_v hell_n where_o every_o apostate_n or_o such_o we_o be_v alien_n from_o the_o faith_n of_o christ_n do_v suffer_v everlasting_a punishment_n a_o three_o place_n we_o be_v altogether_o ignorant_a of_o yea_o we_o find_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n that_o there_o be_v no_o such_o place_n bellarmine_n answer_v that_o austin_n there_o speak_v of_o those_o place_n which_o be_v everlasting_a 13._o which_o indeed_o be_v true_a for_o he_o speak_v of_o heaven_n and_o of_o hell_n the_o place_n of_o torment_n which_o be_v everlasting_a place_n for_o those_o to_o abide_v in_o that_o be_v in_o they_o but_o withal_o he_o say_v that_o there_o be_v no_o three_o place_n viz._n for_o those_o that_o depart_v out_o of_o this_o life_n beside_o how_o can_v the_o romanist_n yield_v that_o there_o be_v no_o everlasting_a place_n beside_o heaven_n and_o hell_n viz._n gehenna_n which_o be_v the_o word_n that_o austin_n use_v the_o hell_n of_o the_o damn_a when_o as_o they_o hold_v a_o limbus_n infantium_fw-la a_o everlasting_a place_n for_o infant_n to_o 6._o abide_v in_o that_o die_v without_o baptism_n which_o place_n they_o make_v to_o be_v distinct_a both_o from_o heaven_n and_o from_o the_o place_n of_o torment_n for_o there_o they_o say_v such_o child_n as_o die_v unbaptise_v suffer_v the_o punishment_n of_o loss_n whereby_o the_o place_n differ_v from_o heaven_n but_o not_o the_o punishment_n of_o sense_n whereby_o it_o differ_v from_o the_o hell_n of_o the_o damn_a but_o 13._o bellarmine_n prove_v that_o austin_n or_o whosoever_o be_v the_o author_n of_o the_o book_n call_v hypognosticon_n do_v not_o deny_v that_o there_o be_v a_o three_o place_n to_o abide_v in_o for_o a_o time_n after_o this_o life_n because_o the_o catholic_a faith_n do_v teach_v that_o beside_o heaven_n and_o hell_n there_o be_v before_o christ_n death_n abraham_n bosom_n where_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o holy_a father_n do_v abide_v i_o answer_v that_o abraham_n bosom_n be_v any_o such_o limbus_n patrum_fw-la as_o the_o romanist_n imagine_v be_v no_o part_n of_o austin_n creed_n as_o i_o have_v show_v before_o out_o of_o austin_n undoubted_a write_n and_o therefore_o erasmus_n though_o bellarmine_n unjust_o carp_v at_o he_o for_o it_o may_v well_o write_v purgatory_n in_o the_o ibid._n margin_n over_o against_o those_o word_n a_o three_o place_n we_o be_v altogether_o ignorant_a of_o signify_v that_o purgatory_n be_v a_o three_o place_n of_o which_o the_o catholic_a faith_n be_v ignorant_a but_o what_o need_n be_v there_o to_o allege_v particular_a father_n when_o as_o the_o bishop_n of_o rochester_n who_o be_v 1._o behead_v in_o the_o reign_n of_o henry_n the_o eight_o for_o maintain_v the_o pope_n supremacy_n in_o his_o book_n against_o luther_n as_o he_o be_v cite_v by_o polydore_n vergill_n who_o be_v a_o agent_n here_o in_o england_n for_o the_o pope_n in_o the_o time_n of_o henry_n 8._o when_o as_o i_o say_v that_o author_n confess_v that_o purgatory_n be_v never_o or_o very_a seldom_o mention_v by_o the_o ancient_a writer_n and_o that_o the_o grecian_n to_o this_o day_n do_v not_o believe_v that_o there_o be_v any_o such_o thing_n as_o purgatory_n now_o for_o the_o place_n of_o scripture_n which_o the_o marquesse_n say_v they_o have_v for_o purgatory_n viz._n 1_o cor._n 3._o 13_o 15._o first_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o whereas_o bellarmine_n do_v allege_v diverse_a other_o place_n beside_o this_o for_o proof_n of_o purgatory_n the_o marquesse_n wave_v all_o the_o other_o and_o mentiones_fw-la only_o this_o conceive_v it_o as_o it_o seem_v more_o plain_a and_o pregnant_a than_o the_o rest_n yet_o 2._o bellarmine_n tell_v we_o and_o bid_v we_o mark_v it_o that_o this_o be_v one_o of_o the_o most_o obscure_a 5._o place_n of_o all_o the_o scripture_n though_o withal_o he_o say_v it_o be_v one_o of_o the_o most_o useful_a place_n because_o from_o thence_o they_o have_v as_o he_o suppose_v a_o foundation_n both_o for_o purgatory_n and_o for_o venial_a sin_n but_o as_o have_v be_v observe_v before_o out_o of_o austin_n 9_o the_o scripture_n be_v clear_a in_o those_o thing_n which_o concern_v faith_n and_o therefore_o we_o must_v not_o build_v point_n of_o faith_n upon_o obscure_a place_n now_o so_o obscure_a be_v this_o place_n viz._n 1_o cor._n 3._o 13_o 15._o that_o bellarmine_n spend_v a_o long_a chapter_n mere_o in_o the_o explication_n of_o it_o and_o yet_o when_o all_o be_v do_v nothing_o can_v be_v make_v of_o it_o for_o purgatory_n for_o bellarmine_n confute_v those_o that_o 5._o think_v purgatory_n to_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o fire_n mention_v v_o 13._o the_o fire_n shall_v try_v every_o man_n work_n of_o what_o sort_n it_o be_v and_o he_o prove_v ibid._n that_o the_o fire_n there_o mention_v be_v the_o fire_n of_o god_n severe_a and_o just_a judgement_n which_o be_v not_o a_o purge_n and_o afflict_v but_o a_o prove_v and_o examine_v fire_n so_o that_o bellarmine_n do_v take_v away_o one_o half_a of_o the_o marquis_n quotation_n and_o indeed_o the_o whole_a quotation_n for_o though_o bellarmine_n will_v have_v those_o word_n v_o 15._o he_o himself_o shall_v be_v save_v yet_o so_o as_o by_o fire_n to_o be_v understand_v of_o purgatory_n yet_o who_o see_v not_o that_o it_o be_v absurd_a to_o take_v the_o word_n fire_n otherwise_o there_o then_o v._n 13._o and_o therefore_o 13._o estius_n upon_o the_o place_n say_v that_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o one_o and_o the_o same_o fire_n be_v mean_v in_o both_o verse_n which_o fire_n he_o will_v have_v to_o be_v that_o which_o shall_v burn_v up_o the_o world_n at_o the_o last_o day_n so_o also_o bellarmine_n note_v some_o to_o understand_v it_o as_o some_o of_o the_o tribulation_n of_o this_o life_n and_o some_o
of_o everlasting_a fire_n all_o these_o exposition_n conflagrationis_fw-la bellarmine_n relate_v and_o confute_v as_o just_o he_o may_v that_o be_v indeed_o the_o true_a exposition_n which_o he_o embrace_v but_o do_v not_o extend_v far_o enough_o viz._n that_o by_o fire_n be_v mean_v god_n severe_a and_o just_a judgement_n whereby_o the_o work_n of_o all_o must_v be_v try_v as_o it_o be_v by_o fire_n though_o the_o apostle_n there_o speak_v peculiar_o of_o minister_n and_o of_o their_o doctrine_n and_o so_o as_o it_o be_v by_o fire_n shall_v they_o be_v save_v that_o adhere_v to_o the_o foundation_n christ_n though_o their_o work_n be_v find_v like_o wood_n hay_n and_o stubble_n vain_a and_o unprofitable_a so_o that_o they_o suffer_v loss_n in_o that_o respect_n as_o have_v no_o reward_n nor_o benefit_n of_o those_o work_n now_o whereas_o the_o marquesse_n say_v that_o austin_n interpret_v this_o place_n of_o purgatory_n in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o psal_n 37._o i_o answer_v it_o be_v true_a austin_n there_o do_v cite_v or_o rather_o glance_v at_o this_o place_n and_o expound_v it_o as_o mean_v the_o emendatorio_n igne_fw-la of_o a_o purge_a fire_n and_o say_v that_o this_o fire_n be_v more_o grievous_a than_o 37._o any_o thing_n that_o a_o man_n can_v suffer_v in_o this_o life_n but_o beside_o what_o have_v be_v cite_v before_o ecclesiast_n out_o of_o austin_n if_o hypognosticon_n be_v his_o which_o bellarmine_n think_v not_o though_o he_o say_v the_o work_n be_v learned_a and_o profitable_a and_o do_v by_o some_o ancient_a author_n but_o beside_o that_o i_o say_v austin_n in_o his_o most_o elaborate_a piece_n de_fw-fr civit._fw-la dei_fw-la handle_v this_o place_n of_o 26._o the_o apostle_n show_v himself_o altogether_o unresolved_a whether_o there_o be_v any_o purgatory_n fire_n after_o this_o life_n be_v end_v whether_o say_v he_o they_o find_v the_o fire_n of_o transitory_a tribulation_n burn_v up_o those_o secular_a affection_n which_o yet_o do_v not_o bring_v damnation_n there_o only_o in_o the_o other_o world_n or_o both_o there_o and_o here_o or_o therefore_o here_o that_o they_o may_v not_o find_v they_o there_o i_o do_v not_o gainsay_v because_o perhaps_o it_o be_v true_a here_o we_o see_v austin_n take_v the_o point_n into_o consideration_n have_v no_o more_o than_o a_o perhaps_o he_o be_v far_o from_o be_v assure_v of_o that_o which_o they_o call_v purgatory_n bollarmine_n point_v at_o that_o place_n of_o austin_n but_o not_o 10._o cite_v the_o word_n say_v that_o austin_n there_o do_v only_o doubt_v whether_o purgatory_n fire_n be_v the_o same_o in_o substance_n with_o hell-fire_n of_o which_o it_o be_v say_v mat._n 25._o depart_v into_o everlasting_a fire_n but_o it_o be_v his_o policy_n to_o conceal_v austin_n word_n for_o all_o that_o have_v any_o view_n of_o they_o must_v needs_o see_v that_o he_o doubt_n whether_o there_o be_v any_o purgatory_n fire_n in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v so_o the_o same_o father_n in_o his_o enchiridion_n which_o it_o seem_v he_o write_v when_o he_o be_v old_a speak_v as_o doubtful_o as_o may_v be_v of_o purgatory_n that_o there_o be_v some_o such_o thing_n also_o after_o this_o life_n be_v not_o incredible_a and_o whether_o it_o be_v so_o may_v be_v inquire_v but_o whether_o it_o be_v 69._o find_v or_o lie_v hide_v that_o some_o faithful_a one_o be_v so_o much_o the_o late_a or_o the_o soon_o save_v by_o a_o certain_a purgatory_n fire_n by_o how_o much_o they_o do_v more_o or_o less_o love_v these_o good_a thing_n that_o perish_v yet_o not_o any_o such_o as_o of_o who_o it_o be_v say_v that_o they_o shall_v not_o possess_v god_n kingdom_n here_o he_o make_v it_o a_o question_n whether_o it_o be_v so_o or_o no_o and_o the_o most_o that_o he_o say_v be_v that_o it_o be_v not_o incredible_a which_o be_v far_o supra_fw-la from_o assert_v it_o as_o a_o thing_n that_o ought_v to_o be_v believe_v bellarmine_n say_v that_o austin_n here_o only_a doubt_n whether_o after_o this_o life_n soul_n be_v burn_v with_o the_o fire_n of_o grief_n for_o the_o loss_n of_o temporal_a thing_n as_o here_o they_o use_v to_o be_v when_o they_o be_v force_v to_o want_v thing_n which_o they_o most_o desire_n but_o beside_o that_o the_o word_n of_o austin_n which_o here_o also_o bellarmine_n do_v prudent_o omit_v do_v plain_o refuse_v this_o gloss_n there_o be_v no_o sense_n at_o all_o that_o i_o can_v see_v in_o it_o for_o how_o shall_v soul_n after_o this_o life_n grieve_v for_o the_o loss_n of_o temporal_a thing_n be_v there_o any_o use_n of_o temporal_a thing_n after_o this_o life_n be_v end_v how_o then_o shall_v austin_n make_v it_o a_o question_n whether_o soul_n in_o the_o other_o world_n be_v grieve_v and_o even_o burn_v with_o grief_n for_o the_o loss_n of_o these_o thing_n which_o can_v do_v they_o no_o good_a if_o they_o have_v they_o but_o again_o in_o the_o precede_a chapter_n of_o the_o same_o book_n austin_n treat_v 68_o of_o this_o place_n 1_o cor._n 3._o 13_o 14_o 15._o say_v that_o the_o fire_n which_o the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o must_v so_o be_v understand_v as_o that_o both_o pass_v through_o it_o both_o he_o that_o upâ—â—_n the_o foundation_n build_v gold_n and_o silver_n and_o precious_a stone_n and_o he_o that_o build_v wood_n hay_n and_o stubble_n and_o this_o he_o clear_o prove_v by_o the_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n now_o this_o do_v quite_o exclude_v purgatory_n from_o be_v the_o fire_n there_o mention_v for_o they_o will_v not_o have_v purgatory_n to_o touch_v he_o that_o build_v gold_n and_o silver_n and_o precious_a stone_n but_o only_o he_o that_o build_v wood_n and_o hay_n and_o stubble_n austin_n therefore_o make_v this_o fire_n that_o the_o apostle_n write_v of_o to_o be_v tribulation_n and_o say_v that_o a_o man_n be_v say_v to_o be_v save_v yet_o as_o it_o be_v by_o fire_n because_o the_o loss_n of_o those_o thing_n which_o he_o lolove_v do_v burn_v he_o with_o grief_n yet_o nor_o subvert_v nor_o consume_v he_o because_o he_o be_v strong_o fix_v upon_o the_o foundation_n and_o this_o may_v suffice_v for_o austin_n testimony_n which_o be_v object_v against_o we_o the_o next_o be_v ambrose_n who_o indeed_o say_v that_o the_o apostle_n in_o those_o 3._o word_n yet_o so_o as_o by_o fire_n do_v show_v that_o such_o a_o man_n shall_v be_v save_v yet_o so_o as_o that_o he_o shall_v suffer_v the_o pain_n of_o fire_n that_o be_v purge_v by_o fire_n he_o may_v be_v save_v and_o not_o as_o they_o that_o be_v perfidious_a be_v for_o ever_o torment_v with_o everlasting_a fire_n here_o he_o interpret_v the_o apostle_n indeed_o as_o speak_v of_o a_o purgatory_n fire_n but_o yet_o it_o do_v not_o appear_v that_o he_o mean_v it_o of_o a_o purgatory_n after_o this_o life_n for_o notwithstanding_o any_o thing_n that_o i_o yet_o see_v to_o the_o contrary_a he_o may_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o fire_n of_o affliction_n with_o which_o god_n do_v purge_v his_o people_n here_o that_o so_o they_o may_v not_o perish_v hereafter_o 1_o cor._n 11._o 32._o the_o same_o author_n if_o yet_o the_o same_o for_o many_o think_v that_o those_o commentary_n upon_o paul_n epistle_n be_v not_o ambrose_n and_o that_o ecclcfiastic_a not_o without_o cause_n as_o bellarmine_n judge_v in_o the_o other_o place_n that_o be_v point_v at_o as_o by_o the_o marquesse_n so_o also_o by_o bellarmine_n viz._n serm._n 20._o in_o psal_n 118._o touch_v upon_o the_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n 1_o cor._n 3._o but_o how_o our_o 20._o adversary_n can_v gain_v any_o thing_n by_o he_o i_o can_v see_v take_v heed_n say_v he_o thou_o do_v not_o bring_v with_o thou_o wood_n or_o stubble_n which_o the_o fire_n may_v burn_v up_o 〈◊〉_d god_n judgement_n take_v heed_n lest_o be_v approve_v in_o one_o or_o two_o thing_n thou_o bring_v that_o which_o in_o more_o work_n do_v offend_v if_o any_o one_o work_n shall_v be_v burn_v he_o shall_v suffer_v loss_n yet_o he_o also_o may_v be_v save_v by_o fire_n whence_o it_o be_v gather_v that_o the_o same_o man_n be_v in_o part_n save_v and_o in_o part_n condemn_v here_o ambrose_n himself_o sufficient_o show_v that_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o fire_n of_o god_n judgement_n whereof_o he_o make_v express_v mention_n neither_o can_v he_o mean_v any_o such_o purgatory_n as_o our_o adversary_n plead_v for_o see_v he_o speak_v of_o that_o which_o shall_v befall_v a_o man_n at_o the_o last_o judgement_n for_o immediate_o before_o he_o bring_v in_o that_o of_o the_o apostle_n 2_o cor._n 5._o 10._o we_o must_v all_o appear_v ibid._n before_o the_o judgement_n seat_n of_o christ_n etc._n etc._n and_o then_o add_v that_o before_o cite_v take_v heed_n thou_o bring_v not_o with_o thou_o unto_o god_n judgement_n wood_n stubble_n etc._n etc._n now_o when_o the_o day_n
there_o be_v 33._o chapter_n of_o that_o book_n which_o of_o they_o be_v mean_v we_o can_v tell_v neither_o be_v it_o much_o worth_n the_o inquiry_n for_o erasmus_n show_v that_o book_n to_o be_v none_o of_o austin_n in_o that_o the_o author_n insert_v some_o verse_n out_o of_o boetius_fw-la who_o be_v long_o after_o austin_n beside_o other_o reason_n which_o he_o give_v yet_o bellarmine_n assert_v austin_n to_o eccles_n be_v the_o author_n of_o the_o book_n take_v no_o notice_n of_o the_o reason_n allege_v against_o it_o though_o he_o confess_v that_o some_o do_v doubt_n of_o it_o in_o the_o other_o place_n of_o austin_n which_o be_v point_v at_o i_o find_v indeed_o that_o he_o do_v temp_n cite_v the_o word_n of_o s._n james_n but_o yet_o so_o as_o that_o our_o adversary_n gain_v little_a by_o it_o for_o he_o refer_v those_o word_n of_o anoint_v with_o oil_n etc._n etc._n unto_o bodily_a health_n and_o so_o inveigh_v against_o those_o that_o by_o charm_n and_o spell_n and_o the_o like_a superstitious_a and_o ungodly_a practice_n bring_v upon_o themselves_o manifold_a misery_n now_o bodily_a health_n be_v a_o thing_n which_o the_o romanist_n have_v no_o respect_n unto_o in_o their_o unction_n but_o use_v it_o direct_o for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o soul_n even_o as_o they_o do_v baptism_n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n and_o this_o also_o take_v off_o the_o testimony_n of_o chrysostome_n who_o show_v what_o benefit_n people_n have_v by_o minister_n or_o as_o he_o call_v they_o priest_n sacerd_v say_v that_o parent_n can_v prevent_v so_o much_o as_o the_o bodily_a destruction_n of_o their_o child_n nor_o keep_v off_o a_o disease_n when_o it_o seize_v on_o they_o but_o these_o do_v often_o preserve_v people_n alive_a when_o they_o be_v even_o ready_a to_o die_v and_o sometime_o mitigate_v their_o pain_n and_o sometime_o keep_v they_o from_o be_v ill_o at_o all_o not_o only_o by_o the_o help_n of_o their_o doctrine_n and_o admonition_n but_o also_o of_o their_o prayer_n and_o then_o he_o cite_v that_o jam._n 5._o be_v any_o sick_a among_o you_o let_v he_o send_v for_o the_o elder_n etc._n etc._n all_o this_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o romish_a unction_n for_o beside_o that_o chrysostome_n do_v not_o at_o all_o speak_v of_o priest_n anoint_v but_o of_o their_o teach_n admonish_a and_o pray_v and_o in_o this_o respect_n do_v bring_v in_o the_o word_n of_o s._n james_n beside_o this_o i_o say_v it_o be_v direct_o a_o corporal_a benefit_n which_o he_o insist_v on_o as_o freedom_n from_o sickness_n mitigation_n of_o pain_n deliverance_n from_o death_n and_o therefore_o that_o which_o he_o say_v make_v nothing_o for_o extreme_a unction_n which_o they_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n say_v be_v institute_v of_o god_n to_o this_o end_n that_o we_o depart_v out_o of_o this_o mortal_a life_n may_v have_v a_o more_o ready_a way_n to_o heaven_n ibid._n and_o therefore_o they_o call_v it_o the_o sacrament_n of_o such_o as_o go_v out_o of_o this_o world_n what_o be_v this_o sacrament_n then_o concern_v in_o the_o word_n of_o chrysostome_n who_o speak_v only_o of_o preserve_a life_n and_o health_n here_o in_o this_o world_n in_o the_o last_o place_n venerable_n bede_n be_v allege_v but_o 1._o he_o be_v against_o they_o in_o this_o as_o i_o have_v show_v before_o that_o he_o make_v mark_n and_o james_n to_o speak_v both_o of_o one_o and_o the_o same_o thing_n whereas_o diverse_a of_o they_o both_o say_v and_o prove_v that_o 5._o mark_n do_v not_o speak_v of_o sacramental_a unction_n 2._o by_o elder_n bede_n understand_v elder_n in_o respect_n of_o age_n and_o he_o say_v express_o and_o allege_v also_o pope_n innocentius_n ibid._n for_o it_o that_o not_o only_a presbyter_n but_o also_o all_o christian_n may_v use_v this_o oil_n and_o anoint_v with_o it_o when_o either_o they_o or_o any_o belong_v unto_o they_o have_v need_v which_o be_v enough_o to_o prove_v that_o he_o do_v not_o make_v this_o unction_n a_o sacrament_n as_o they_o of_o the_o church_n 2._o of_o rome_n do_v for_o say_v bellarmine_n it_o be_v of_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o extreme_a unction_n that_o the_o minister_n of_o it_o be_v a_o priest_n and_o if_o a_o lay_v man_n do_v anoint_v any_o it_o be_v of_o no_o force_n unct_n yea_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n say_v if_o any_o one_o shall_v say_v that_o not_o only_o a_o priest_n be_v the_o proper_a minister_n of_o extreme_a unction_n let_v he_o be_v anathema_n what_o do_v they_o say_v to_o bede_n then_o and_o to_o innocentius_n who_o bede_n cit_v they_o answer_v that_o innocentius_n and_o bede_n speak_v 55._o not_o of_o he_o that_o be_v to_o administer_v the_o unction_n but_o of_o he_o that_o be_v to_o receive_v it_o but_o this_o be_v a_o very_a violent_a and_o force_a interpretation_n and_o such_o as_o bede_n word_n will_v not_o admit_v for_o he_o have_v say_v it_o be_v the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n that_o they_o that_o be_v weak_a shall_v be_v anoint_v by_o presbyter_n with_o cit_fw-la consecrate_a oil_n and_o by_o prayer_n accompany_v it_o be_v make_v whole_a immediate_o after_o he_o add_v neither_o only_a presbyter_n but_o also_o as_o pope_n innocentius_n write_v all_o christian_n may_v use_v this_o oil_n by_o anoint_v with_o it_o either_o in_o their_o own_o or_o in_o their_o friend_n necessity_n it_o be_v manifest_a that_o bede_n here_o speak_v of_o christian_n use_v the_o oil_n not_o so_o as_o to_o be_v anoint_v but_o so_o as_o to_o anoint_v with_o it_o and_o that_o both_o themselves_o and_o other_o as_o they_o see_v cause_n 3._o bede_n also_o as_o appear_v by_o his_o word_n even_o now_o cite_v make_v this_o anoint_v with_o oil_n which_o he_o say_v the_o church_n do_v use_v in_o his_o time_n to_o have_v reference_n to_o the_o body_n and_o the_o health_n of_o it_o neither_o do_v he_o speak_v any_o thing_n of_o any_o spiritual_a effect_n that_o it_o shall_v have_v upon_o the_o soul_n and_o thus_o also_o it_o appear_v that_o he_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o extreme_a unction_n unct_n cassander_n also_o confess_v that_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n they_o have_v now_o depart_v from_o antiquity_n 1._o in_o this_o that_o in_o more_o ancient_a time_n they_o do_v not_o use_v as_o now_o they_o do_v to_o defer_v this_o anoint_v until_o life_n be_v even_o in_o extreme_a danger_n and_o there_o be_v no_o hope_n of_o recovery_n 2._o in_o this_o that_o ancient_o they_o use_v after_o this_o anoint_v if_o there_o be_v danger_n to_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n whereas_o now_o they_o have_v no_o such_o custom_n yea_o the_o carechisme_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n say_v that_o before_o extreme_a unction_n the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n and_o of_o the_o eucharist_n be_v to_o be_v administer_v and_o that_o this_o be_v the_o perpetual_a custom_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n which_o be_v direct_o contrary_a to_o that_o which_o cassander_n affirm_v but_o this_o i_o hope_v may_v be_v enough_o to_o show_v that_o the_o romish_a sacrament_n of_o extreme_a unction_n have_v no_o support_n either_o from_o the_o scripture_n or_o from_o the_o ancient_a father_n the_o marquesse_n have_v wade_v through_o all_o the_o forementioned_a part_n of_o controversy_n and_o as_o he_o suppose_v prove_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v on_o their_o side_n now_o sing_v as_o it_o be_v a_o epinition_fw-la or_o a_o song_n of_o victory_n say_v thus_o most_o sacred_a sir_n we_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o 154._o wave_v the_o scripture_n umpirage_n so_o that_o you_o will_v hear_v it_o speak_v in_o the_o mother_n language_n etc._n etc._n but_o how_o little_a the_o scripture_n umpirage_n do_v favour_v they_o answ_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n let_v the_o reader_n judge_v by_o what_o have_v be_v say_v on_o both_o side_n the_o scripture_n be_v understand_v in_o that_o sense_n which_o itself_o do_v make_v out_o and_o to_o which_o also_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o doctor_n have_v subscribe_v which_o i_o suppose_v the_o marquesse_n do_v mean_a by_o the_o scripture_n mother-language_n as_o for_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n it_o have_v long_o show_v itself_o the_o scripture_n stepmother_n keep_v it_o shut_v up_o in_o a_o unknown_a tongue_n or_o not_o permit_v christian_n the_o liberty_n to_o make_v use_n of_o it_o except_v such_o as_o can_v obtain_v a_o special_a dispensation_n for_o it_o yea_o in_o many_o thing_n go_v direct_o contrary_a to_o the_o scripture_n and_o even_o in_o a_o manner_n cast_v off_o the_o authority_n of_o it_o here_o present_o after_o the_o marquesse_n bring_v in_o the_o say_n of_o austin_n evangelio_n non_fw-la crederem_fw-la nisi_fw-la i_o ecclesiae_fw-la authoritas_fw-la commoveret_fw-la i_o shall_v not_o believe_v the_o gospel_n itself_o unless_o i_o be_v move_v by_o the_o