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A62548 A treatise of religion and governmemt [sic] with reflexions vpon the cause and cure of Englands late distempers and present dangersĀ· The argument vvhether Protestancy is less dangerous to the soul, or more advantagious to the state, then the Roman Catholick religion? The conclusion that piety and policy are mistaken in promoting Protestancy, and persecuting Popery by penal and sanguinary statuts. Wilson, John, M.A. 1670 (1670) Wing T118; ESTC R223760 471,564 687

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institution_n l._n 4._o c._n 13._o §_o 12._o talk_v of_o monastical_a life_n and_o evangelical_n counsel_n he_o write_v in_o this_o resolute_a manner_n nulli_fw-la unquam_fw-la veterum_fw-la hoc_fw-la in_o mentem_fw-la 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n it_o never_o come_v into_o the_o cogitation_n of_o any_o of_o the_o ancient_a father_n to_o affirm_v that_o christ_n do_v council_n any_o thing_n but_o rather_o they_o do_v all_o cry_n with_o one_o voice_n that_o there_o be_v never_o any_o one_o lest_o word_n utter_v by_o christ_n that_o be_v not_o of_o necessity_n to_o be_v obey_v etc._n etc._n out_o of_o which_o word_n he_o infer_v that_o there_o be_v no_o state_n of_o perfection_n to_o be_v aspire_v unto_o more_o one_o than_o other_o nor_o any_o thing_n leave_v we_o by_o way_n of_o council_n but_o that_o all_o be_v command_v by_o way_n of_o precept_n 7._o and_o yet_o st._n paul_n say_v and_o by_o consequence_n with_o he_o all_o the_o ancient_a church_n and_o father_n talk_v of_o virginity_n i_o have_v no_o precept_n of_o our_o lord_n but_o i_o give_v council_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o say_a institution_n lib._n 4._o cap._n 19_o §_o 11._o calvin_n say_v of_o the_o papist_n praeterita_fw-la aqua_fw-la &_o nullo_n numero_fw-la habita_fw-la unum_fw-la oleum_fw-la in_o baptismo_fw-la magni_fw-la faciunt_fw-la they_o let_v pass_v and_o esteem_v nothing_o at_o all_o the_o water_n of_o baptism_n do_v only_o magnify_v their_o oil_n of_o chrism_n and_o yet_o he_o know_v well_o that_o the_o roman_a catholic_n hold_v the_o use_n of_o water_n to_o be_v most_o absolute_o necessary_a to_o the_o substance_n of_o baptism_n and_o not_o the_o holy_a oil_n i_o hope_v protestant_n will_v reflect_v upon_o these_o thing_n and_o consider_v whether_o it_o be_v probable_a or_o possible_a that_o god_n will_v send_v such_o man_n as_o these_o two_o impostor_n to_o reform_v his_o church_n man_n without_o conscience_n 〈◊〉_d sincerity_n or_o christianity_n subsect_v iii_o fraud_n falsification_n and_o 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