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A44642 An account of the state of His Majesties revenue, as it was left by the Earl of Danby at Lady-day, 1679 in a letter to a friend : occasioned by his lordships Answer to An examination of the state of the case of the Earl of Danby / by Sir Robert Howard. Howard, Robert, Sir, 1626-1698. 1681 (1681) Wing H2990; ESTC R15504 14,852 25

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also and sure my Lord of Danby was of the same opinion a little before his going out for he had almost compleated a Bargain to part with the King's title to the Surplus for a considerable Sum of Money and I am sure it hath been esteemed by the present Lords Commissioners as a part of the Revenue and so considerable a part as hath sometimes come in very seasonably for many important occasions But to make this yet more clear by matter of fact 't will be proper to shew the Kings title to the Surplus by this short Account viz. The Excise formerly let in absolute Farm was now granted to Mr. George Dashwood and others for three years under a certain Rent with several Limitations and Restrictions for the Kings advantage viz. 1. The King had a Power to make Orders for the better regulating the Farmers and their Officers 2. The Commissioners were obliged to keep fair Books of Accompts of all the Duties of Excise by them received and upon Oath to give up such Books 3. A certain Sum was consented to for the yearly Salaries and Allowances to the Sub-collectors and other inferiour Officers and in case less than that Sum should be expended the overplus was to be accounted and paid to the King 4. That at the determination of the said Term in case the whole Duty of Excise made more than the reserved Rent payable by the Patent they the said George Dashwood and others were to have a further allowance for their Care of Management proportionable to the overplus and the residue of the said overplus to be paid to the Commissioners of Excise for His Majesties use These Conditions perhaps had two Respects one that the Excise was better paid when Collected for the King than to absolute Farmers the other to try to Improve it But however it appears clearly by the whole that the King had as much right to the Surplus as the Real Rent and since all Profits arising by the Duty of Excise are alike the Kings Money and Revenue To allow this a Deduction were likewise to agree that the Talleys so struck upon the Surplus were never to be paid again I may therefore presume to affirm confidently that whatever either of the Rent or Surplus had any Charge upon it may very justly be esteemed as so much Debt left on the Revenue And thus I hope 't is evident that of these three first Particulars by much the most considerable part of the Deductions there is no Colour for allowing the least tittle of them The next deduction claim'd by my Lord Danby is the sum of 59588 l. which was charg'd by Talleys to pay the Forces from Lady day 79. forwards to the first of July being 97 days beyond my Lord Danby ' s time This Particular I have Examined with the Pay-master of the Forces and 't is acknowledged by him to be very true This Deduction therefore ought to be allowed and when I sum up the whole I will accordingly substract it The next Deduction is for Talleys on the Customs made use of to carry on the Service of the Navie and Ordnance beyond the said Lady day 79. amounting to 35000 l. Concerning this Particular I have received a Certificate from the Office of the Ordnance very contrary to what is asserted for they say That the late Master of the Ordnance did obtain from my Lord of Danby when Lord Treasurer something like a Settlement but onely by a verbal promise of 41600 l. per annum to be constantly paid out of the Customs by 800 l. per week for defraying the ordinary expence of the Office and to commence from Midsummer 1677. That this continued to be paid but till Feb. 10. 77. being 33 weeks amounting at that rate to 26400 l. which yet was not fully paid before the 13 of May 1678. So that at Lady day 1679. the Office was in arrear of this allowance no less than 58 weeks that is 46400 l. and from Lady day 79. to Midsummer last 1680. being one year and a quarter 52000 l. in toto 98400 l. Whereof received March 19. 1678. by a Talley struck upon the Customs by order of the late Lord Treasurer 10000 l. for the ordinary expence of the said Office for one Quarter ending at Midsummer 1678. More at several times by order of the Right Honourable the Lords Commissioners of his Majesties Treasury for the ordinary expence thereof till the 24 of June 1680. the sum of 21414 l. 6 s. 3¾ d. in toto 31414 l. 6 s. 3¾ d. So that then viz. at Midsummer last past supposing the said allowance of 800 l. per week to be continued to this Office there was in arrear the sum of 66985 l. 13 s. 8¼ d. That no Talleys struck upon the Customs before Lady day were applicable to any service done since that time Signed Jonas Moore Edw. Sherburne Edw. Conyers G. Wharton Office of Ordnance 9 Septemb. 1680. These are the words of the Certificate which in stead of allowing any such thing as a Provision for carrying on the service of the Navie and Ordnance beyond Lady day 79. it Charges an Arrear of 36000 l. allowing the Talley of 10000 l. struck the 19 of March 78. as present payment left at that time in stead of the sum of 35000 l. to carry it on beyond that time This as to the Ordnance seems a strange Mistake and what relates to the Navie will appear as unluckie when I come to give the Accompt of that Particular in the Charge that is to be added The next deduction is for Talleys struck for Pensions upon the two last Quarters of the Excise viz. Christmas 78. and Lady day 79. about the sum of 33000 l. for payment of which Money was left in the hands of the Commissioners of Excise This Particular could be determined no way properly but by the Commissioners of Excise from whom I have received a Certificate sent the 15 of Septemb. 1680. viz. That all Moneys received by the late Commissioners of Excise are by them disburs'd and accompted for excepting what is remaining at the foot of their Accompt and that it doth not appear unto us that any such sum as 33000 l. was at any time left in the said Commissioners hands for payment of Pensions Signed Den. Ashburnham Rob. Huntington Cha Davenant Excise Office These two last deductions therefore cannot be allowed unless my Lord of Danby could likewise finde out a Notorious Falshood in the Certificates of the Offices The next deduction is for Talleys upon the Customs restored for Tynne which was deposited in Mr. Kent ' s hands amounting to the sum of 15000 l. I have obtained from Mr. Kent and Mr. Duncombe the Accompt of this Tynne that I may be as clear as I can in matter of Fact The Accompt sent me was thus by way of Debtor and Creditor Tynne-Accompt Dr. 1678.   l. s. d. Sept. 11. To Money lent 31220 17   79. Aug. 13. To so much allowed to
252467 l. 10 s. 5 d. besides the further Sum of 14640 l. as should be privately directed to be distributed in New-years-gifts by Mr. Berty's hands which Sum in the half years Accompt of the Exchequer is placed under the Head of Secret Service there being no other proper Head for it according to the Methods of the Exchequer This Sum being then added to the former will make the Total of Secret Service for those Three years to amount to 309556 l. 11 s. 4 d. As to the payment of my Lord Treasurers Pension of 8000 l. per annum 't was never included in the Accompts of Secret Service for those Three years which I suppose the Examiner must mean for it was alter'd by a Privie Seal bearing date the 19th of July 1676. to express the particular Service of that Sum the first Payment to commence from Christmas 75. But neither when the Service was expressed as well as before did my Lord Treasurer ever pay Fees for his Salary or the Chancellor of the Exchequer pay any for his as the Examiner rightly affirms The next thing is in the State of the Revenue left by my Lord Clifford The Matter of Fact is thus My Lord Clifford made a State of the Revenue the 10th day of June 1673. as follows viz. The Customs were Charg'd with about 153000 l. for the Navie Ordnance c. and I hope this last Fleet will go neer to clear it Almost two thirds of the Rents of the Excise for the Quarter due at Michaelmas next is charg'd for the Forces Cofferer c. All the Forces are provided for until the 25 of July and the last new additional Levies till Michaelmas next The Houshold is provided for until Lady day last The Treasurer of the Chamber until Christmas last except the Old Arrear in the late Lord Treasurers time The Office of the Works until Lady day last The Great Wardrobe hath been supply'd from time to time as their most pressing Occasions have required Tanger is Weekly provided for on the Customs The Ordnance hath had as much yearly in proportion as in the former Dutch War but by reason that that Office hath not kept the Accompts I cannot justly say how that Office stands The Victualler is paid within a small matter except the last Agreement for the Land-men The first three Quarters of the Tax given by Parliament are assigned the three last are untouch'd which amount to about 600000 l. There will be in October and November for payment of the Fleet and Yards in ready money these three following Sums From the Advance of the Excise 150000 l. From the French Money 112500 l. Upon the three Quarters of the Subsidy 080000 l. The Chimney-money and Law-Bill are left free to be charg'd as there shall be occasion The Original of this Paper was drawn by Sir Philip Lloyd by my Lord Clifford's directions of which I have had a Copie by me ever since that time I cannot say whose Hand it is directly but I can affirm this to be a true Copie of it and it was so acknowledg'd by Sir Philip Lloyd to a Gentleman that I sent to shew it him but denied that Paper to be his hand I did after this about the 21 of June make some further Examinations for the Service of my Lord Danby then Lord Treasurer and did presume the increase of Charge on the Customes by that time was 92905 l. 17 s. 8 d. which if reckon'd together with the former Charge makes up the sum of 245905 l. 17 s. 8 d. But in the same Exanation I gave my Lord the Excise agreed very neer with the sum in the Copie before recited I did also present the Hearth-duty to be Charg'd with 22318 l. 11 s. 0 d. but withal explain'd it in these words This Charge may be paid by the Arrears of Hearth-money due at Lady day last and at Michaelmas there will be half a year due to the King which amounts to 67500 l. which at Michaelmas will begin to be paid by about 2500 l. per week so that the Variation herein will amount but to about 93000 l. in case my Lord Danby is pleased to give my Calculation the greatest Credit I do further acknowledge in that Paper I presented my Opinion that the Customes would not have paid its Charge at the Christmas following probably by 40000 l. but it seems the good management of the Customs and the fulness of Trade gave Mr. Mounteney occasion to write this Letter to me which I have now by me SIR I Have a List sign'd by the late Lord Treasurer Clifford and confirm'd by the present Lord Treasurer the said List being wholly paid onely 8400 l. payable to the Treasurer of the Navie I do hear there are several Talleys struck on the Customs but I know not of what value nor to whom payable I understand the persons have made their applications to my Lord Treasurer and that my Lord intends to make a new List which is all I can say to this affair Sir Your very humble servant Ri Mounteney Custom-house Lond. 10 Novemb. 73. And it is very true I was then Auditor of the Receipt and not Secretary to his Lordship at that time In the same Paper before mentioned I likewise acknowledge to have given a short State of the Revenue and the Expences for that Year wherein at a General Guess I calculated by way of Debtor and Creditor that the Expences would exceed the Ordinary Income by One million one hundred sixty three thousand four hundred pounds I could not but admire at the ingenious use my Lord Danby makes of what I then presented for I believe no unprejudic'd man could imagine that I should give such a State as that so great a Revenue as the King then had should not supply the Ordinary Charges of the Government by above a Million in one year But my Lord Danby was pleas'd to pick out of the Paper onely such words as he thought might be useful to his purpose for had he exprest the true Cause I gave of such a State which was the time of the War the matter had been explain'd the Expence of the War being stated by the Commissioners of the Navie to amount in one year to the sum of 1400000 l. And in the same Paper I also added in the very next words another Calculation for the Ensuing year 74. where my Lord Danby might have likewise found if he had pleased these words The State for the ensuing year 74 if i● peace will be Debtor by Expence Creditor by Income 1167400. 1386500. To Balance 219100.   1386500.   So that by a like Calculation in times of Peace the yearly Income would exceed the Expence by Two hundred and nineteen thousand one hundred pounds I will not make any further Reflections on these things but keep onely to my Rule of Matter of Fact The last thing that occurs is the State of the Revenue how it was left Charg'd by my Lord of