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A07344	An antidote against popery confected out of scriptures, fathers, councels, and histories. Wherein dialogue-wise are shewed, the points, grounds, and antiquitie of the Protestant religion; and the first springing vp of the points of popery: together with the Antichristianisme thereof. Being alone sufficient to inable any Protestant of meane capacitie, to vnderstand and yeeld a reason of his religion, and to incounter with and foyle the aduersary. By Iohn Mayer, B.D. and pastor of the Church of little Wratting in Suffolke.	Mayer, John, 1583-1664.	1625 (1625)	STC 17729; ESTC S102861	69,172	94

grace as that there is in him no imperfection or want at all Of the former the Lord speaketh that wee should loue not onely friends but also enemies and exercise benignitie to all and not of the other Againe there is a perfection of sinceritie and a perfection of sanctitie of the former of which onely I spake and not of the latter for I had immediately before acknwoledged my selfe not perfect in that sense Serg. Paul What is the eleuenth particular point Saul The eleuenth point is that mans will is so corrupted euer since the fall of Adam as that hee cannot desire to be conuerted or thinke a thought tending to conuersion but of his owne will he is caried onely to euill till that God of his grace changeth his will by putting a new heart and spirit into him Gen. 6.5 2 Cor. 3.5 Phil. 2.13 For all the imaginations of mans heart are onely euill continually and we are not able to thinke a good thought as of our selues but it is God that worketh in vs the will and the deed of his owne good pleasure Serg. Paul Why then are we bidden to turne from sinne to repent and beleeue the Gospell and why is it vsed as an argument of iust iudging How oft would I haue gathered you together and ye would not if they could doe no otherwise Saul Wee are bidden to turne to shew that the Lord will not turne vs without our being willing and by thus calling vpon vs he worketh a willingnesse in such as bee elected and if any notwithstanding are still hardened and finally damned the cause is not in God who is tyed to no man but in the corruption of their owne will brought in by mans owne default when at the first it was not so Serg. Paul What is the twelfth particular point Saul The twelfth point is that mariage is free for all men and that none ought to be debarred from it but if any can containe they are to bee exhorted to vse this gift that they may be more free to serue God not being intangled with so much worldly businesse as they which haue wife and children For mariage is honorable amongst all men Heb. 13.4 1 Tim 4 3. and it is a doctrine of Deuils forbidding to marry yea the Apostles themselues were maried men and I might haue vsed the same libertie also neither doth the Lord approue it to bee good for any sort of men not to marry Math. 19.12 but for such onely as can containe Serg. Paul If mariage bringeth worldly incombrances and the Ministers of the Gospell had need to enioy all freedome that they may the better attend vpon their office it seemeth that the vnmaried are rather to bee preferred if a sufficient number of such may be had and if any bee therefore willing to liue alwaies single that they may be the more fit for this seruice it is no forbidding of mariaege to receiue onely such to holy Orders Againe though mariage be lawfull and a mans companying with his wife be no sinne yet it disableth him for a time to communicate in such things as wherein holy persons onely haue libertie as to eate of the Shew-bread Abiathar telleth Dauid 1 Sam. 21.4 that if they had not lately companied with women they might cate of it and the Priests vnder the Law when their course came to serue in the Temple liued apart from their wiues as appeareth by the example of Zachary Luk. 1.23 Saul If any sufficient and fit for life and learning hauing the gift of continencie liue single it is not to bee doubted but that they are to be preferred but because this gift is very rare and for preferment men will take vpon them that which they haue no abilitie vnto to admit onely such into holy Orders is in effect to forbid mariage to some and damnable as of the Deuill as hath been already shewed Yea it is a maruell that they which pretend the Apostolicall title so much should bee so plainely against the Apostle who saith Let a Bishop be the Husband of one Wife 1 Tim. 3. Neither are they that inforce themselues to a single life but want the gift the more free but rather much more troubled seeing lust is an hundreth times more incombring then any domesticall troubles of the maried And lastly if it bee a good reason against the mariage of Priests that companying with women makes them vnfit to partake of the Holy Bread for a time it is good also against the mariage of any Christian man who is now also to partake of this bread as well as the Priest No more therefore can be hence concluded but that all should abstaine from companying with their wiues against the time of communicating as against the time of fasting Prayer For so I haue elsewhere directed Defraud not one another 1. Cor. 7 5. except it be by consent for a time that ye may giue your selues to fasting and Prayer and come together againe Serg. Paul What is the thirteenth particular point Saul The thirteenth point is that the holy Scriptures that is the canonicall bookes of the Old and New Testament are alone sufficient for saluation neither are any other either Apochryphall Writings or vnwritten Traditions of like authoritie but onely so far forth to be receiued as they agree with the contents of these Bookes For it is plainely expressed that though Iesus did and spake many things more then are written yet these things are written that wee might beleeue and beleeuing haue eternall life Ioh. 20.31 Gal. 1 8. And if we or an Angell from Heauen bring any other Gospell let him bee accursed We that are the Apostles of Christ haue euer submitted our doctrine to bee examined by the written Word and therefore Act. 17.11 if any thing be pretended to haue been taught by vs by word of mouth or by any that haue followed vs not consonant to the written Word it is without doubt to bee reiected Serg. Paul It is no where written that the Lords day is to bee kept holy in stead of the old Sabbath nor that infants are to bee baptized nor that the Lords Supper is to bee receiued in the morning or at the Church or by women as well as by men and yet these things are necessarie Saul These are agreeable to the written Word and therefore good reason that they should bee obserued but this maketh nothing for vnwritten traditions contrary to the Word of God or for the authoritie of any that are without ground here Serg. Paul The Scriptures are obscure and therefore alledged euen by the vilest Heretikes so that if they onely be receiued it seemeth that there will be nothing to patronize the truth more then errour It is not therefore necessarie to take them with the sense receiued by the Church that wee may hold aright and be saued Saul Many places of Scripture are plaine and easie to be vnderstood namely so many as doe

15. Where being free liberty for any learned member to speake it is not to bee doubted but that the assistance of the Holy Ghost being inuocated after reasonable debating of things controuerted all shall bee swayed to hearken vnto and determine with one eminent man as they did with Iames. Vers 22. If not but as in the time of Arrianisme more are for error then for the truth it must be borne as a crosse till the Lord will be entreated to giue the truth the victory againe as he did then after certaine yeres And thus I haue related all the chiefe points of the faith maintained by the Protestant Church so plaily founded vpon the word of God as that if in any of them there be error we may cry out with the Prophet Ier. 20.7 and say If we be deceiued O God thou hast deceiued vs. There be many points more but because they will better come vnder those that concerne practice I will refer them thither Serg. Paul What are the points concerning practice Saul First as we hold that God onely is to be beleeued in so we make all our prayers to him onely vtterly refusing to pray to Angels or Saints departed how gracious soeuer they may seeme to be with the Lord And herein wee haue warrant from the word of God who saith Psal 50.14 Call vpon mee in the time of trouble and I will heare and deliuer thee Thus all the faith full whose practice is recorded in holy Scriptures haue alwayes done neither hath any euer called vpon any other Serg. Paul Did not Iaacob pray to the Angell that was with him in all his peregrination Gen. 48.16 that he would blesse the two sons of Ioseph Ephraim and Manasseh when he said God before whom my fathers did walke the God which fed me all my life long vnto this day the Angell which redeemed mee from all euill blesse the ●ads c. Saul The Angell named here is none other but the Lord Iesus for where doe we reade of any other Redeemer If he had meant an Angell as the word is commonly vnderstood he would haue said Angels and not an Angell for at all times of danger mention is made of the Angels appearing to him as both in his iourney towards Padan Aram Gen. 28.10 Gen. 32.1 and in his returne from thence Onely hee to whom his deliuerance from Esau is to be imputed wrestled with him alone of whom the Text speaketh so plainly as that it is most certaine he was the Lord. If Iaacob should haue prayed to an Angell how farre an Angell would haue beene from accepting of it appeareth in the example of Iohn and Daniel who were both forbidden to worship an Angell Serg. Paul What is the second point in practice Saul Secondly because God is a Spirit which cannot be expressed by any similitude wee abhorre the vse of any image or similitude in diuine worship yea we refraine altogether from setting forth the diuine Maiesty by any image For both Moses chargeth the people Deur 4.15 that they make no image because they saw none in the day that the Lord spake to them Esay 40. and the Prophet Esay speaketh of it as a thing impossible to represent God who is infinite by a finite resemblance and Hahakkuk plainly calleth images teachers of lyes Hab. 2.18 Serg. Paul But God hath sometime assumed a shape vnto himselfe as to Daniel he appeared like an old man at Christs baptisme the Holy Ghost appeared in the likenesse of a Doue Why may he not then be thus pictured and set forth Saul The precepts of God and not his actions ought to be a direction to vs so that if he hath forbidden to make an image of God it will bee no good plea to alledge how hee hath sometime appeared if we presume thus to picture him Besides all images made by man are dead things whereas the resemblances which God hath at any time appeared by haue had life and motion And such a picture of God is any huing man rather then a dead and dumb image And lastly these resemblances were not exhibited to bee worshipped but onely to expresse in vision what the Lord would haue his people to vnderstand Serg. Paul An image putteth a man in mind of God who is apt otherwise to be caried away with by-thoughts Saul Shall man take vpon him to bee wiser then God when hee hath commanded to make no image but to worship him in spirit what it is in effect but to instruct him What wilt thou that no image be made but onely that the minde be fixed vpon thee in Prayer thou doest not so aduisedly herein because mens minds are ready to bee drawne away if they haue nothing to behold It were much better therefore for them to haue some image to keepe the minde from wandring and to stirre vp deuotion Oh intolerable arrogancie that man should dare thus to correct the precepts of his Maker Serg. Paul Doth the command of God touch Images or rather Heathen Idols which are representations of false gods which hee forbiddeth to haue in the first command and then to make images of them in the second Saul Indeed some are much deluded hereby thinking that their image-making is throughly iustified thus But silly men that they are they doe little attend the vehement inuectiues of the Prophets against such as attempted by image to represent the True God both because it is impossible and because it is the way to let in much corruption in the worship of God Serg. Paul It seemeth that the Lord was delighted in images about his Tabernacle and Temple for hee appointed Cherubins to be made in most glorious maner which had faces like yong men so that the garnishing of Churches with images now is not a thing so vnwarrantable and without president as you would make it to be Saul Those images were onely for ornament and haply for some signification but for adoration there is not the least syllable that tendeth to shew that they were neither did they serue to resemble God but in some sort in what state and maiestie the Lord sitteth in Heauen attended by such glorious creatures It cannot be gathered hence that Churches may now bee garnished in like manner because then they were much taught by outward things as children in their nonage but now being of full age we are no more vnder beggarly and impotent rudiments Gal. 4.9 Serg. Paul What is the third point in practice Saul Thirdly because the Lord Iesus hath bidden vs aske any thing in his Name wee pray alwayes in the name of Iesus Christ onely to the Father flying as sacrilege prayers vnto Saints departed For it is the proper honour of Christ to seek vnto God by his mediation 1 Ioh. 2.2 If any man sinne wee haue an aduocate with the Father Iesus Christ the righteous Wherefore to vse the mediation of others it is to rob Christ of his honour Euen as

fall into the ditch Onely the iudgement of the Leader shall be greater especially if in sinister respects his conscience being conuicted by the truth he doth yet persist in vpholding errour as experience hath taught that many of them haue done Serg. Paul It standeth with good reason that they which wittingly preferre errour should beare the burthen of it but methinkes such as are mis-led by them following their conscience should not perish for many of them serue God according to their profession with a good heart Saul Errour is of that nature as that it is damnable in whomsoeuer First because it is contrary to truth which sanctifieth and maketh free For so the Lord hath prayed Ioh. 17.17 Ioh. 8.32 Sanctifie them by thy Truth and hath pronounced the truth shall make you free Wherefore contrariwise errour polluteth and enthralleth and so debarreth from entring heauen Reuel 22. because no vncleane thing shall enter there and the bond-woman shall bee cast out with her children Secondly Gal. 4. because it is a iudgement vpon those onely that perish and are damned to haue their eyes blinded and to bee giuen ouer to delusions as I haue shewed 2 Cor. 4.4 2 Thes 2.11 Thirdly because God is truth and the Deuill is a lyar and therefore by error the minde is out of the way to God and can neuer enioy him but is in the right way to the Deuill Serg. Paul Any one of these reasons is sufficient to proue their wofull case But may there not be any meanes found out to reconcile these two Religions by yeelding somewhat on both sides and by laying aside austeritie and strangenesse and by putting on lenity and familiaritie one towards another Saul In all the particular points of difference I haue made it plaine that we are in the truth as therefore if wee would not goe from God we must not go from any of these things either in faith or practice● for ●hat were but to yeeld to accompany them in the way to perdition and not to doe any thing aduantageous to their soules Wherefore they must yeeld vnto vs and as we haue already done come out of this Babel of errours and superstitions if euer they will inioy true peace and comfort to Godward In the meane season if gentle and perswasiue meanes would doe them any good they haue them in greater measure then they could expect considering their forepassed cruelty and rigour but for familiaritie and bosome friendship it is expressely against that charge Tit. 3.10 An Hereticke after once or twice admonition auoid Serg. Paul I thanke you most heartily for this light which you haue giuen vnto me and I thanke God who sent you vnto me by whose grace I resolue to liue and dye in the faith which you haue declared and after no other manner to worship God And for this you shall no more be called Saul but because I count you my best friend in the world and so another very selfe you shall be called after mine owne name Paul because I know not otherwise how to expresse how nearely to my heart I haue placed you for your good instructions this day giuen vnto me Elymas Most excellent and worthy Gouernor I am sorie to heare that a man of your place and wisdome should haue his eares and minde so much abused by the seducing words of an Arch-hereticke Is your Church the onely True Church of God and is the Church of the Catholikes a false Church or none at all Oh God what will not these men perswade vnto Is it not manifest to all the world that yee are a company of Heretikes and Schismaticks and a Church but of yesterday or since Luthers time at the most Was God without a Church till your faction began What impudencie is this to abuse Noble Gouernours of Countreys thus by drawing them from the Catholike Church of Rome that hath euer been famous through the world for constant cleauing to the Christian Religion Paul Thou bewitching Sophister and beguiler of simple soules is is knowne to all men that this is your vsuall false slander of our Church and the chiefe string to your Bow so that when yee haue nothing else to fay your refuge still is the old Religion the old Religion what will ye forsake the old Religion for a new But to follow you and beat you with your owne weapon Be it knowne that the reformed Religion is the old Religion indeed and the present religion of the Church of Rome a new religion of which this noble person present shall be iudge seeing you haue prouoked me to enter these lists with you Elymas I am content that either he or any man shal iudge herein betweene vs and if you can proue what you haue s●yd I will lose the day Paul I proue it therefore thus The Religion commended to vs by Gods Spirit in the holy Scriptures is the old Religion and that whereof men of later times are authors is new in comparison of it But the reformed is thus commended to vs as I haue already fully declared and the Religion of the present Church of Rome is from men of latter times Ergo. Elymas Neither is the Protestant Religion commended in the holy Scriptures nor the Roman Catholike Religion inuented by man since For as much as you bragge of the Scriptures you haue not one plaine sentence in your owne Bible for any one point of your Religion without adding altering or glossing vpon it as is your vsuall manner And for our Religion shew if you can when and by whom those points which you call errors were inuented for wee hold that all things haue euer since the Apostles times been thus Paul I maruell that you and your fellow whosoeuer hee was that wrote the book blasphemously intituled The gag for the Gospell are not ashamed so boldly to charge vs that we haue not one plaine place of Scripture What is that saying of our Lord Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him onely shalt thou serue Mat. 4.10 Doe not both the words and the circumstances plainly make for vs denying to fall downe and worship any but God otherwise Christ had not spoken so appositè to Satan bidding him to fall downe and worship him What is that command Thou shalt not make to thy selfe any grauen image c. And againe Deut. 4.15 Take good heed vnto your selues for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake vnto you in Ho●eb lest you corrupt your selues and make you a grauen image the similitude of any figure c. What is this saying There is one God 1. Tim. 2.4 2. Cor. 3.5 Phil. 2.13 and one Mediator betwixt God and man the man Christ Iesus and this Wee are not sufficient of our selues to thinke a good thought as of our selues and this God worketh in you the will and the deed of his own good pleasure with many more text● before alleaged which I spare to repeat