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A01685	A vvork vvorth the reading VVherein is contayned, fiue profitable and pithy questions, very expedient, aswell for parents to perceiue howe to bestowe their children in marriage, and to dispose their goods at their death: as for all other persons to receiue great profit by the rest of the matters herein expressed. Newly published by Charles Gibbon.; Work worth the reading	Gibbon, Charles, fl. 1589-1604.	1591 (1591)	STC 11821; ESTC S101910	36,863	70

aske her consent and to know whether shee would goe with that man or no her answer was shee would Gen. 24. 27. c. this argueth that parents must not vse any coaction where their children haue no disposition to the partie Phi. Yet all this is to no purpose to the question I propose for the maid neither meaneth to liue single as a Virgin yet she cannot bee suffered to match to her minde as she would doe nowe in this case whether may the peruersitie of the parents hinder the choyce of the childe Tich It is needelesse to adde a double answere to a single question or to demaund a reason where there is no doubt your word peruersitie is so termed of the wilfull but it is taken for prudencie amongst the wise for they know that it is the propertie of parents not to deale frowardly but fatherly with their children and to bestow them not as they desire without discresion but as is most expedient with circumspection but admit that Parents be sometime peruerse shall children bee pernicious or as wee commonly say driue out one nayle with another God forbid they must win thē by peticion not prouocation by obedience not obstinacie The parents ioy depend vpon their children and therefore their euill placing turne to their displeasure did not Esau by taking wiues cōtrary to his fathers will procure his sorrowe insomuch as his mother sayd It should not auaile her to liue if his Brother Iaacob did bestow himselfe so Gen. 27. 46. let then the example of Esau dehort the disobedient which care more to please their fancies than their fathers and let Iaacob be an imitation to the dutifull which preferre their fathers precept before their own pleasure and to resolue you more fully I will shew some apparrant examples that shall approoue the submissiō of children to their parents in this respect Sechem the sonne of a Lorde hauing deflowred Dinah although by reason of the filthynes of the fact it was more time for him to marry the mayde than to motion the matter yet before hee woulde marry hee craued his fathers good will as appeareth in the text for it is there said He said to his father Hamer get me this mayde to wife Gen. 34. 1 c. If the consent of Parents was obserued as a principle amongst the very Infidels how much more ought wee to bee carefull of it that be Christians Sampson was Iudge of Israel and a strong and valiant man yet falling in loue with Dalilah hee did not satisfie his lust without his fathers liking for he sayde to his Father Giue mee her to wife Iudg. 14. 2. Ruth was content to bee ruled by Naomi her mother in lawe yea euen in this matter concerning her marriage Ruth 3. 5. then how much more ought we to submit our consents to our naturall parents Many such examples I could insert but these may satisfie a sensible man in a reasonable matter Phi. I haue permitted your sperch hitherto not because I could not preuent your Apologie but that I was desirous to learne what you could alleadge and now I plainely see that a fearce streame hath no stay if it be not stopped in time nor your arguments an ende if they be not intercepted to the matter I confesse that children are commaunded to obey their Parents yet I affirme they must not in many things approoue their proceedings for their limites are prescribed They must obey them in the Lord for this is right saith Paul Ephes 6. 1. if parents wil prouoke their children to marry with Infidels they may not for they haue no warrāt by the word of God 2. Cor. 6. 14. Tich Yet the same Apostle saith The vnbeleeuing husband is sanctified by the beleeuing wife and the vnbeleeuing wife is sanctified by the husband 1. Cor. 7. 14. What say you to this Philog I thought by taking your rise so rashly you woulde leape shorte for there are three things to bee obserned which you ouerslipped in those words the cause that prouoked him 1. the persons he respected 2. the end he aymed at 3. the cause that prouoked him was to answere an obiectiō against such as thought that the godly shoulde bee defiled by the societie of the wicked which he contrarieth in the same chapt vers 14. the persons he respected were such as were so already contracted to preuēt those that vnder that pretence might take occasion purposely to seperate thēselues which we may gather by the 15. verse the ende he chiefly aymeth at was to premonish the vnmarried not to match in that manner as apeareth in the 2. Cor. 6. 14. 15. Bee not saith he vnequally yoaked with Infidels then hee sheweth a reason for what fellowship hath righteousnesse with vnrighteousnes what communion hath light with darknesse and what concord hath Christ with Belial or what parte hath the beleeuer with the Infidel So hauing aunswered your obiection I will iterate where you interrupted me As children may not intercommon with Infidels so their parents may not vrge them to match with Idolators or such like because it is prohibyted Tich And yet it is nothing respected in these dayes for in mariages amongst vs we make no regarde of godlines but goods of righteousnes but riches how well but how welthy they be made be he Atheist be he Papist be he Newter we respect not the man but his money not his life but his liuing not his profession but his promotion and therefore I see no reason but that they may deale with Idolators The Israelites a chosen people of God did intercouenant with the Gentiles which were great Idolators Iudg. 3. 6. Salomon that prudent king tooke the daughter of king Pharaoh 1. King 3. 1. Dauid that holy mā matched with the daughter of king Saul yet Pharaoh and Saul were grosse Idolaters Phi. I see you striue to wring water out of the pomice or else you would neuer waste the time with such wordes doth it follow because most in marriage haue regarde of goods that I by their example should impaire Gods glory why wee are taught not to follow a multitude in euill Did the Israelites intercouenant with the Gentiles why they did contrary to the commaundement of God Deut. 7. 3. Yet the Lord did not let them passe vnpunished Iudg. 3. 8. Did Salomon marrie an Idolatrous wife why he was drawen to Idolatrie by them what followed he incurred the wrath of God for his wickednesse 1. King 11. 14. As for that act of Dauid it cannot animate vs seeing the example of diuers may deterre vs neither is it expedient for any to presume of Gods power without his will Now hauing answered your digression I will proceede where I left I say still that the glory of God not the motions of men his praise not their practises are to be preferred in euerie thing as in this matter concerning marriage we ought indeede to obay our earthly parents yet we must not dishonour one eternall