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A20361 A true report of all the doynges at the assembly co[n]cernyng matters of religion, lately holden at Poyssy in Fraunce. Written in Latine by Mayster Nicholas Gallasius, minister of the Frenche Churche in London, and then present, [and] one of the disputers in the same, translated into English, by I. D.... Seen and allowed accordyng to the order appoynted by the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions; True report of all the doynges at the assembly concernyng matters of religion, lately holden at Poyssy in Fraunce. Des Gallars, Nicolas, ca. 1520-ca. 1580. 1561 (1561) STC 6776; ESTC S110901 50,348 138

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reuerende master Peter Marti●… added many thinges and according to his singuler learning besides many other thinges which perteine to the order of the church he handled this question also shortlye plainly and eloquently He answered also diuers things which both the Cardinall and Spēsa had obiected in their orations in the first meting and chiefly those things which concerne the authoritie and amendmente of counsels Which so pricked the Cardinal that he would no more reply vnto hym And whyles he was handling and declaring diuers matters more playnly bicause he spake somewhat after y● Italiā maner the Cardinal rose and sayd in a great chafe that he would talke wyth hys own countrey mē And yet marti●… spake so plainly distinctly y● not only y● Cardinal being skilful in y● Italiā tōg but also euery ignoraunt man myghte well perceiue him Spensa somewhat talked to him herefore cōmending him aboue the rest that no man this day liued that had written more largely or copiously of this question than he Afore Spensa was answered a Spanyarde one of those that call themselues Ieswites desired that he might haue leaue to speake His talke was sharp bitter and nothing pleased the audience He assayed to turne al mennes myndes From hearing this cause as it whiche was already sufficiently knowen The suttel●…ies and craftes where with heretykes are wont to creepe into mennes heartes he applied to vs. Calling vs foxes and dogges And at the last concluded that we ought to be reiected and referred to the counsel of Trent which the Pope of Rome had proclaymed saying that we should haue free comming thither and the Popes safeconduyte that there the controuersies of fayth religion ought to be iudged of the which wemē souldiors or other not exercised in diuine matters were not mete to be iudges Thus as it were perswading the Queene he willed her to send vs to Trent Hitherto his talke although it fauored bitter hate and malice yet to some semed graue and seuere But at y● laste he played the foole so kindly as if it had ben in a stage For when he entreated of the Lordes Supper promysed by a playne similitude to proue the presence therein he sayd it was euen lyke as if any Prince when he hath atchieued victory on his enemies to celebrate the remembraunce therof would institute yearly playes whereby bothe his warre and victory might be represented to al mennes eyes And if any man in those playes shoulde represente the person of the Prynce That would so much the more moue the mindes of y● beholders to remēber it but if y● king himself would be presēt shew hymselfe there then thesame would be most noble and excellent Euen so sayd he that Christ himselfe when he instituted the remembraunce of his passion would also be present and in the same About the ende of hys oration he assaied to enflame the Queene agaynst vs and made many mournfull cōplaintes faining himselfe to wepe after the maner of those iesters which ar commonly apte to counterfayte any gesture Hereto Beza aunswered that the Spaniard talked as though we were already conuict of heresy But for asmuchas no man hitherto hath shewed vs oure error he might haue done much better if he had reserued the scoffes which he bestowed on vs to hymselfe and his felowes Bicause we can not se how they touche vs. And as to his councel that that Queenes maiestie was not so bare of counsell that she neded it But that she and her councell sawe well inough what is best to be done and by what meanes they may prouide for common quietnesse But that which he sayd of the Lordes supper that he made nothing els of than a play of y● history of Christ bicause it was to blasphemous beastly beyng ouerpassed he turned toward master Spensa He vrged the playne wordes of the Lord. Thys is my body and the consent of the Euāgelistes whiche nothing differ therein We aunswered that thesame Euangelistes sayd thys is my bloud of the new testament And an other Thys cup is the new Testament in my bloud Whych without a figure can not be vnderstanded And hereby it appeareth that it is a Sacramental maner of speach Which Austine teacheth most plainly in his .xxiii. Epistle to Boniface If the Sacramentes quoth he had not a certayne lykenesse of those thynges wherof thei are Sacramentes they wer no Sacramentes at al. Of thys lykenesse moste cōmonly they take the names of those thyngs wherof they are Sacramēts Lyke as therfore after a certayne maner y● Sacrament of the body of Christ is the body of Christ and the Sacramēte of the bloud of Christ is the bloud of christ so is also the Sacrament of fayth faith it selfe But Spensa sayde that y● letted not but that we ought simply without figure to credite the wordes of the Lord. We sayd that a Sacramentall maner of speache coulde not be withoute figure But if there be a figure in our Sacramentes quoth Spensa they shal not then muche differ from the Sacramentes of the old Testamēt which are altogether figuratine And we say that they were a figure and shadowe of that truthe which was fulfilled to vs in Christ Otherwise we must nedes confesse that they were figures of a figure Which is most vnreasonable we denyed that consequence bicause y● figures appointed by God in the olde Testament are referred to the truth it selfe wherof the fathers wer partakers but a farre of before the commynge of Christ But we are nye at hande After he was offred for vs. Neither do we say that we are as yet vnder figures but y● we nede yet as long as we lyue in this body visible signes and Sacraments and in them we say ther are figuratiue or Sacramentall maners of speache which neuerthelesse proueth not but y● we haue the truthe notwithstandinge these signes To cōclude we agree with Bernarde saying Bernard sermone .xxxiii. suꝑ ●antica The truth is set before me but in a Sacramēt The Angel is fed with the meale of the corne or the perfect grayne But I must be contēt with the barke of the Sacramentes with the braūe of his flesh with the chaffe of the letter and the cloke of fayth But sure howsoeuer these be tempered and swetened with the aboundasice of spirit and fayth certainly the barke of the Sacrament and the fine boulted meale of the corne fayth and hope remembraunce and presence eternity present tyme the countenaunce the glasse the ymage of God and the forme of a seruaunt are not like pleasaunt in cast Wherby it is well proued that we truely are made partakers of y● truthe but do not yet fully enioy thesame bicause oure weakenesse requireth the Sacramente the barke and the cloke After thys communication with Spēsa was ended there stepte vp an other doctoure one of the Sorbonistes vrging agayne By a suttel and crafty meanes as he thought hymselfe the exposition of these the