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A72264 The touch-stone of the reformed Ghospell. Wherin sundry chiefe heads and tenets of the protestants doctrine (obiected by them commonly against the Catholicks) are briefly refuted. By the expresse texts of the protestants owne Bible, set forth and approued by the Church of England. With the ancient fathers Iudgments thereon, in confirmation of the Catholike Doctrine; Gagge of the new gospel Heigham, John, fl. 1639. 1634 (1634) STC 13033.8; ESTC S125239 50,830 222

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he will Where the Apostle in expresse words opposeth refelleth this vnsauory doctrine teaching that the gift of prophecying or truly to interpret the holy Scripture is not giuen to all the faithfull but to some only in particular yea he presupposeth that one may haue the gift euen to worke miracles and yet may want the gift truly to interpret the word of God Therfore a man by his owne priuat spirit cannot righly interprete Scripture 2. Pet. 1.20 Knowing this first that no Prophesy of the Scripture is of any priuat interpretation for the Prophesy came not in old time in the margent or at any time by the will of man but holy men of God speake as they were moued by the holy Ghost Loc how clearly the Apostle taketh this faculty authority from a priuate and prophane man restrayning the same to a company and society of men and those also of some speciall note for their sanctity and holines assuring vs that they spake as they were moued by the holy Ghost 1. Iohn 4. Beloued belieue not euery spirit but try the spirits whether they are of God By which wordes we are taught that the spirits of others are to be examined whether they proceed from God or not but this Caueat cannot be vnderstood of the spirit of the whole Church sith then it would follow that there should be none left to try the said spirit of the Church euery particular man being included therin If then it be to be meant of priuate men as needes it must it followeth that a priuat spirit cānot be this Iudge sith it selfe is to vndergoe the iudgment and examination of some other ¶ The Fathers that affirme the same are S. Aug. epist 162. l. de Baptismo cap. 18. ad Epictetum S. Basil epist 78. S. Amb. epist 32. S. Leo epist 53. S. Hier. lib. cont Luciferianos Vincent Lyr. cont prophan heres nouitates Yea Martin Luther himselfe the Protestants great Grand-Father saith lib. de potest Papae We are not certaine of any priuat person whether he hath the reuelation of the Father or no but that the Church hath it we ought not to doubt VI. That S. Peters faith hath fayled COntrary to the expresse wordes of their owne Bible Luc. 22.31.32 Simon behould Sathan hath desired to haue you that he may sift you as wheate but I haue prayed for thee that thy faith fayle not Loe Sathan required to sift them all the Apostles but our Lord heere prayed for Peter only that his faith principally might not fayle Therfore S. Peters faith hath not failed Mat. 16.18 And I say vnto thee that thou art Peter and vpon this rock I will build my Church and the gats of hell shall not preuayle against it But had S. Peters faith fayled the gates of hell had long ago no doubt preuailed Mat. 23.2 The Scribes and the Pharisies sit in Moyses seat all therfore whatsoeuer they bid you obserue that obserue and do How could Christ bid the people of the old law do all whatsoeuer he should bid them by those that sate in Moyses Chaire if they could erre But God hath no lesse preserued the truth of Christian Religion in the chaire of S. Peter which is in the new Law answerable to that of Moyses in the old Therfore neither S. Peters Fayth nor Chayre hath fayled Iohn 11.49.51 speaking of Caiphas the High Priest saith And this be spake not of himselfe but being High Priest that yeare he prophesied that Iesus should die for that nation Lo how in this most wicked time of the Sinagogue the very Dregges and outcast of that disobedient people yet speaking forth of that Chaire which Christ had commanded to be heard and obeyed touching mattters of fayth they answere truly and their chiefe Bishops prophesy ¶ S. Leo ser 3. de assump sua affirmeth the same The danger was common to all the Apostles but our Lord tooke speciall care of Peter that the state of all the rest might be more sure if the Head were inuincible VII That the Church can erre and hath erred COntrary to the expresse wordes of their owne Bible Isa 59 21. As for me this is my Couenant vnto them saith the Lord. My spirit that is vpon thee and my wordes which I haue put in thy mouth shall not depart out of thy mouth nor out of the mouth of thy seede nor out of the mouth of thy seedes seed from hence forth and for euer Therfore the Church cannot erre Ioan. 14.16 I will pray the Father and he shall giue you another Comforter that he may abide with you for euer euen the spirit of truth But the Apostles themselues aboad not for euer therfore this is to be vnderstood of the perpetuall aboad of the spirit of Truch with their Successors Mat. 18.17 And if he neglect to heare the Church let him be vnto thee as an heathen man and a Publican Whence is clearly to be gathered that the Church in her Censure cannot erre Isa 35.8 And a high way shal be there and a way and it shall be called the way of Holines the vncleane shall not passe ouer it but it shall be for those the way faring men though fooles shall not erre ther in How far deceiued then are many simple soules who do affirme that the whole Church and all holy men that euer haue bene therein for these thousand yeares how wise soeuer haue all erred Ephes 5.27 That he might present it to himselfe a glorious Church not hauing spot or wrinkle or any such thinge but that it should be holy and without blemish Note well these wordes without spot wrinkle any blemish and tell me now if it be possible that reading this thou canst euer belieue that she hath euer taught such horrible blasphemies abhominations as at this day she is charged with See more Iohn 16.13 Ephes 5.27 Isay 9.7 Ezech 37.26 Luc. 22.32 Mat. 23.3 1. Pet. 2.9 Iohn 17.17 1. Cor. 11.25 Psal 101.23.29 Ephes 2.10 Ihon 10.16 Acts. 4.32 Ephes 4.5.11 Luc. 10.16 Deut. 17.8 Ierem. 3.15 Malac. 2.7 Mat. 16.18 Acts. 15.28 2. Cor. 13.8 1. Tim. 3.15 ¶ The Fathers affirme the same expressely S. Aug. cont Crescon lib. 1. cap. 3. Also vpon the 1● 8. Psal the place beginneth Ne auferas de ore meo verbum veritatis vsquequaque S. Cypr. epist. 55. ad Cornel. num 3. S. Ireneus lib. 3. cap. 4. with many others VIII That the Church hath bene bidden and inuisible COntrary to the expresse wordes of their owne Bible Mat. 5.14.15 Yee are the light of the world a Citty that is set on a hill cannot be hid Neither do men light a candle and put it vnder a bushell but on a candlestick and it giueth light to all that are in the house But the Catholique Church is such a light such a candle and such a Citty built vpon Christ as vpon a mountaine therfore hath not nor cannot be hidden nor is inuisible Mat. 18.17 Tell the Church
Elias talking with them Therfore Saints deceased haue afterwards appeared to some on earth Matt. 27.52 And the graues were opened and many bodies of Saints which slept arose and came out of the graues after his resurrection and went into the holy Citty and appeared vnto many c. 2. Mac. 15.12 Onias the High Priest after he was dead appeared to Iudas Machabaeus aliue The like did Samuel vnto Saul What shall we say then to those that will deny a truth to cleere For some such my selfe haue met withall See more Luc. Luc. 16.27.28 Ioan. 11.44 Luc. 7.15 23. Mat. 9.25 Marc. 5.42 ¶ See S. Bede l. 5. cap. 13. hist of England S. Gregory in his booke of Morals in sundry places XXXI That the Saints deceased know not what passeth heere on earth COntrary to the expresse words of their owne Bible Luc. 16. 29. Where Abraham knew that there were Moyses and the Prophets Books heere on earth which he himselfe had neuer seene when he was aliue as S. Aug. witnesseth lib. de cura pro mortuis cap. 14. Therefore the Saints deceased know what passeth here on earth Iohn 5.45 Doe not thinke that I wil accuse you to the Father there is one that accuseth you euen Moyses in whome we trust But how could Moyses dead two thousand yeares before accuse those that were then liuing if the Saints deceased know not what passeth heere on earth Like vnto this is that Reuel 12.10 And I heard a loud voyce saying in heauen c. The accuser of our brethren is cast downe which accuseth them before our God day and night Now she diuels cannot accuse men day and night before God but they must first know wherof who then will for shame deny that vnto Saints and Angels which must needes be granted to the very deuill 2. Kings 6.12 we 4. Kings O King Elisha the Prophet that is in Israel telleth the King the of Israel words that thou speakest in thy bed-chamber Hence I thus argue If the light of Prophecy could extend it selfe so far as to make knowne see and vnderstand things so secret yea euen to inward thoughts who can with reason deny that the light of glory can do the same in the soules of the blessed The like is proued out of many other places of holy Scripture as 2. Reg. 5.26 where the Prophet Elizeus being a far of saw all that passed betwixt Naaman and Giesi his seruant S. Paul was rapt into the third Heauen and saw that which was not to be tould to man 1. Cor. 12. S. Stephen saw from earth Christ sitting at the right hand of his Father Act. 7. The Rich-glutton saw from hell to heauen as Protestants confesse how then say they that the Saints cannot know or see from heauen to earth And without some reciprocall knowledge there could be no communion at all betweene the Saints in Heauen and the faythful on earth the which is an article of our creed which notwithstanding the continuall passage of soules thither doth conuince See more Matt. 19.28 Reuel 2.26 Luc. 22.30 Acts. 5.3.1 Kinges 28.14 Eccles 4.6.23 ¶ See Eusebius serm de Annunt S. Hier. in epitaph Paulae S. Maximus serm de S. Agnete XXXII That the Saints pray not for vs. COntrary to the expresse wordes of their owne Bible Reuelat 5.8 The foure and twenty Elders fell downe before the Lambe hauing euery one of them harpes and golden vialls full of odours which are the prayers of Saints Lo how among so many diuine and vnsearchable mysteries set downe in holy Writ without exposition it pleased God that the Apostle himselfe should cleerly open this point vnto vs saying which odours are the prayers of Saints that so our Aduersaries may haue no excuse of their errour Therfore the Saints pray for vs. 2. Machab. 15.14 Then Onias answered saying This is a louer of the brethren who prayeth much for the people and for the holy Citty to wit Ieremias the Prophet of God Ancient Origen hom 18. in Ioan. saith It appeareth that Saints departed from this life haue care of the people as it is writen in the actes of the Machabees many yeares after the death of Ieremy Ierem. 15.1 Though Moyses and Samuel stood before me yet my mind could not be towards this people Hence S. Hierom. in his Commentaries and S. Greg. lib. 9. of his Moralls cap. 12. do gather that Moyses and Samuel after their death both could and did sometimes pray for the same people for otherwise it should be absurd to say Though Moyses and Samuel stood before me c. Baruch 3.4 O Lord almighty thou God of Israel heare now the prayers of the dead Israëlites we read of the dead of Israël And Theodoret paraphrasing vpon the Prophet Baruch interpreteth this place as Catholiques do Therfore the dead of Israel prayed for the liuing Reuel 2.26.27 And he that ouercommeth keepeth my works vnto the end to him will I giue power ouer the nations and he shall rule them with a rod of iron Since Iesus-Christ therfore imparteth his power vnto them vpon nations therfore they may with Iesus-Christ pray for those ouer whom they are thus established So S. Augustine expoundeth the same writing vpon the 2. Psalme We read also in the 16. of S. Luc. that the Rich-glutton in hell prayed for his brethren that were on earth If therefore the Saints in heauen pray not for vs their brethren on earth then we may say that greater is the Charity of the damned then of the saued But this were too absurd to say A conclusion which S. Aug. draweth from this very place ¶ See S Aug. serm 15. de verbis Apost S. Hilar. in Psalm 129. S. Damascen lib. 4. de fide cap. 16. with many others XXXIII That we ought not to beseech God to graunt our prayers in fauour of the Saints or their Merits nor do we receiue any benefit therby TWo wayes there are of praying by the mediation of the blessed Saints The one by beseeching God to grant our desires in fauour of them and their merits The other by expresly praying them to intercede and pray to God for vs. Both being impugned by our Reformers we will proue them our of their owne Bible The proofe of the first is contrary to the expresse words of their owne text Exod. 32.13 Remember Abraham Isaac and Israell thy seruants to whom thou swarest by thine owne selfe and saidst vnto them I will multiply your seed as the starres of heauen c. And our Lord repented we read was pacified of the euill which he thought to do vnto his people Loe how plainly Moyses prayed to God by the meditation of the holy Patriarches A forme of prayer so pleasing to him as hauing said a litle before that for their sinne of Idolatry he would consume them the memory of his holy Seruants being but laid before him he presently pardoned them Therfore we may beseech God to grant vs our prayers in fauour of them Theod.