of_o the_o old_a testament_n now_o in_o question_n and_o that_o the_o foresay_a epistle_n of_o s._n peter_n s._n james_n s._n john_n s._n jude_n and_o the_o apocalypse_v be_v doubt_v of_o by_o some_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o not_o general_o receive_v by_o all_o it_o be_v further_o confess_v by_o the_o dean_n of_o paul_n and_o windsor_n who_o in_o the_o tower_n disputation_n have_v with_o that_o ornament_n of_o our_o nation_n and_o most_o victorious_a martyr_n edmund_n campian_n do_v thus_o report_v of_o themselves_o 1._o themselves_o the_o first_o â—_z conf._n d._n 1._o for_o proof_n hereof_o we_o allege_v the_o testimony_n of_o hierom_n in_o catal._n where_o he_o thus_o write_v the_o epistle_n of_o james_n be_v say_v to_o be_v publish_v by_o some_o other_o under_o his_o name_n and_o of_o the_o 2._o of_o peter_n he_o say_v that_o it_o be_v deny_v of_o many_o to_o be_v his_o we_o also_o allege_v eusebius_n write_v thus_o those_o book_n that_o be_v gaynsay_v though_o they_o be_v know_v to_o many_o be_v these_o the_o epistle_n attribute_v to_o james_n the_o epistle_n of_o jude_n the_o latter_a of_o peter_n the_o 2._o and_o 3._o of_o john_n and_o d._n walker_n in_o the_o same_o disputation_n affirm_v 6._o affirm_v 4._o day_n confâ—r_n fâ—l_n 2._o 6._o that_o s._n hierom_n say_v concern_v that_o epistle_n which_o be_v write_v to_o the_o hebrew_n many_o have_v doubt_v of_o it_o and_o also_o concern_v the_o 2._o of_o peter_n he_o say_v it_o be_v doubt_v of_o by_o many_o and_o so_o with_o some_o be_v the_o two_o last_o epistle_n of_o john_n etc._n etc._n now_o if_o the_o book_n of_o maccabee_n toby_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o canonical_a because_o as_o protestant_n fore_o object_v they_o be_v reject_v or_o doubt_v by_o some_o ancient_a writer_n then_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n protestant_n must_v likewise_o reject_v the_o epistle_n to_o the_o hebrews_n the_o epistle_n of_o s_o peter_n s._n james_n s._n jude_n s._n john_n and_o the_o apocalypse_v because_o these_o also_o be_v no_o less_o doubt_v &_o reject_v by_o sundry_a ancient_a writer_n wherefore_o the_o weakness_n and_o ensue_a absurdity_n of_o this_o objection_n be_v thus_o discover_v we_o be_v to_o observe_v that_o the_o canonical_a scripture_n be_v to_o we_o at_o this_o day_n discern_v and_o make_v know_v not_o by_o that_o which_o some_o ancient_a writer_n omit_v deny_v or_o doubt_v of_o but_o by_o that_o which_o most_o of_o the_o father_n constant_o affirm_v and_o chief_o by_o that_o which_o be_v judge_v and_o decree_v by_o the_o catholic_n church_n lawful_o assemble_v in_o general_a council_n three_o some_o object_n that_o there_o be_v in_o the_o foresay_a book_n diverse_a repugnance_n or_o contradiction_n and_o consequent_o that_o they_o be_v not_o inspire_v by_o the_o holie-ghost_n but_o to_o omit_v that_o in_o those_o scripture_n which_o be_v believe_v by_o all_o to_o be_v canonical_a there_o be_v many_o hide_a difficulty_n and_o seem_a 361._o seem_a see_v mat._n 10.10_o &_o mar._n 6.8_o 1._o reg._n 8.9_o 2._o par._n 5.10_o &_o hebr._n 9.4_o act._n 9.7_o &_o act_n 22.9_o math._n 26.34_o &_o marc_n 14.68_o mar._n 15.25_o &_o io._n 19.14_o luc._n 3.35.36_o &_o gen._n 11.12_o and_o see_v jewel_n def._n etc._n etc._n p._n 361._o repugnance_n which_o yet_o notwithstanding_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o acknowledge_v the_o say_v scripture_n to_o be_v true_a and_o sacred_a i_o will_v for_o brevity_n only_o allege_v what_o other_o protestant_n think_v and_o answer_v themselves_o to_o the_o foresay_a pretend_a contradiction_n in_o the_o book_n of_o machabee_n toby_n etc._n etc._n d._n covel_n 85._o covel_n answ_n to_o burges_n p._n 85._o write_v we_o can_v without_o violence_n have_v afford_v they_o the_o reconcilement_n of_o other_o scripture_n and_o undoubted_o have_v prove_v they_o to_o be_v most_o true_a yea_o he_o particular_o answer_v certain_a of_o the_o pretend_a repugnance_n in_o like_a sort_n conradus_n pelican_n dedic_n pelican_n ep._n dedic_n professor_n at_o tigure_n write_v his_o commentary_n upon_o the_o foresay_a book_n say_v i_o easy_o yield_v &c._n &c._n especial_o see_v those_o book_n be_v always_o account_v so_o ecclesiastical_a and_o biblical_a that_o even_o from_o the_o apostle_n time_n they_o be_v read_v in_o the_o catholic_n church_n with_o much_o reverence_n although_o they_o be_v not_o produce_v in_o authority_n against_o the_o jew_n as_o canonical_a who_o receive_v not_o these_o into_o their_o sacred_a canon_n whereas_o they_o do_v not_o only_o not_o contradict_v in_o any_o thing_n the_o writing_n of_o the_o law_n and_o the_o prophet_n 90._o prophet_n ib._n p._n 87_o 88_o 89._o 90._o but_o also_o &c._n &c._n for_o the_o most_o part_n they_o clear_o carry_v the_o right_a style_n of_o the_o holie-ghost_n certain_a knot_n or_o difficulty_n intermingle_v which_o be_v sound_v more_o easy_a to_o be_v loose_v than_o some_o have_v think_v etc._n etc._n whereupon_o they_o be_v ever_o reverence_v and_o read_v by_o holy_a man_n yea_o the_o saying_n thereof_o be_v find_v to_o be_v allege_v by_o the_o apostle_n agreable_o hereto_o m._n hutton_n 239._o hutton_n 2._o parte_fw-la of_o the_o answ_n p._n 238._o 239._o at_o large_a answer_v and_o clear_v the_o common_a objection_n against_o judith_n and_o the_o like_a in_o behalf_n of_o ecclesiasticus_fw-la 247._o ecclesiasticus_fw-la ibid._n p._n 247._o and_o 713._o and_o ibid._n p._n 246._o and_o see_v bucers_n scripta_fw-la anglic_fw-la p._n 713._o daniel_n so_o weak_a and_o impertinent_a be_v the_o contradiction_n pretend_v by_o protestant_n against_o the_o foresay_a book_n now_o from_o the_o premise_n &_o that_o by_o the_o confession_n of_o our_o adversary_n we_o may_v collect_v that_o the_o foresay_a book_n of_o scripture_n be_v only_a not_o approve_v for_o true_o canonical_a by_o s._n austin_n innocentius_n gelasius_n and_o all_o the_o father_n and_o bishop_n of_o the_o 3._o carthage_n council_n but_o also_o be_v approve_v as_o part_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n by_o the_o apostle_n and_o for_o such_o allege_a by_o they_o and_o so_o from_o the_o apostle_n time_n be_v read_v in_o the_o catholic_n church_n with_o much_o reverence_n witness_n whereof_o be_v the_o protestant_a writer_n hiperius_n lubbertus_n zanchius_n hospiman_n trelcatius_n ho_o scelico_n brentius_n bibliander_n lascicius_fw-la pelican_n raynolds_n parker_n field_n covel_n bancroft_n hutton_n parkes_n &_o d._n bilson_n all_o of_o they_o afford_v their_o help_a hand_n in_o maintain_v and_o defend_v the_o foresay_a book_n by_o true_a antiquity_n it_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o protestant_n that_o the_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n believe_v and_o teach_v our_o now_o catholic_n doctrine_n concern_v tradition_n chapter_n vi._n the_o catholic_n doctrine_n concern_v 3_o concern_v bellarm._n de_fw-fr verb._n dei_fw-la non_fw-la scripto_fw-la l._n 4_o c_o 3_o tradition_n be_v that_o the_o sacred_a scripture_n or_o write_v word_n of_o god_n do_v not_o express_o contain_v all_o point_n or_o matter_n concern_v faith_n and_o manner_n and_o therefore_o beside_o the_o same_o be_v necessary_o require_v the_o not_o write_v word_n of_o god_n that_o be_v divine_a and_o apostolical_a tradition_n to_o the_o contrary_a protestant_n 8_o protestant_n luth._o in_o comment_n c._n 1._o ad_fw-la gal._n caluin_n inst_z l._n 4._o c._n 8._o sec_fw-la 8_o direct_o teach_v that_o all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v set_v down_o in_o the_o sacred_a scripture_n and_o that_o we_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o believe_v or_o do_v any_o thing_n which_o be_v not_o teach_v and_o command_v thereby_o now_o what_o the_o primitive_a church_n believe_v and_o whether_o the_o present_a roman_a or_o protestant_a church_n do_v symbolize_v and_o agree_v therewith_o the_o sequel_n only_o take_v from_o the_o free_a and_o liberal_a testimony_n of_o protestant_n themselves_o shall_v evident_o demonstrate_v and_o to_o begin_v with_o s._n gregory_n d._n morton_n confess_v that_o 62._o that_o prot._n appeal_v l._n 4._o p_o 62._o he_o use_v to_o confirm_v some_o thing_n by_o tradition_n s._n augustin_n also_o who_o d._n field_n 170._o field_n of_o the_o church_n l._n 3._o p._n 170._o term_v austin_n the_o great_a of_o all_o the_o father_n and_o worthy_a divine_a the_o church_n of_o god_n ever_o have_v since_o the_o apostle_n time_n this_o indeed_o most_o worthy_a divine_a endeavour_v to_o prove_v that_o those_o who_o be_v baptize_v by_o heretic_n shall_v not_o be_v rebaptise_v free_o confess_v that_o 23._o that_o de_fw-fr bapt._n cont_n don._n l._n 5._o c._n 23._o the_o apostle_n command_v nothing_o hereof_o but_o that_o custom_n which_o be_v oppose_v herein_o against_o cyprian_a be_v to_o be_v believe_v to_o proceed_v from_o their_o tradition_n as_o many_o thing_n be_v which_o the_o whole_a church_n hold_v and_o be_v therefore_o well_o believe_v to_o be_v command_v of_o the_o apostle_n although_o they_o be_v not_o write_v a_o say_v so_o evident_a
for_o our_o present_a controversy_n and_o many_o other_o that_o m_o carthwright_n 86._o carthwright_n in_o whit._n def._n p._n 103._o and_o in_o his_o 2._o reply_v against_o whit._n part_n 1_o p_o 84-85_a 86._o say_v thereof_o to_o allow_v of_o augustine_n say_v be_v to_o bring_v in_o popery_n again_o and_o if_o s._n augustine_n judgement_n be_v a_o good_a judgement_n than_o there_o be_v some_o thing_n command_v of_o god_n which_o be_v not_o in_o the_o scripture_n and_o thereupon_o no_o sufficient_a doctrine_n contain_v in_o the_o scripture_n caluin_n also_o acknowledge_v the_o same_o word_n of_o s._n austin_n yet_o confess_v 20._o confess_v inst_z l_o 4._o c._n 10._o §_o 20._o not_o to_o respect_v they_o affirm_v also_o that_o austin_n have_v nothing_o beside_o conjecture_n in_o like_a sort_n s._n chrysostom_n in_o express_a word_n teach_v 4._o teach_v in_o 2._o thes_n hom_n 4._o that_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o deliver_v all_o thing_n by_o writing_n but_o many_o thing_n without_o &_o these_o be_v as_o worthy_a of_o credit_n as_o the_o other_o d._n whitaker_n 678._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la scriptura_fw-la p._n 678._o in_o answer_n hereto_o say_v i_o answer_v that_o this_o be_v a_o inconsiderate_a speech_n and_o unworthy_a of_o so_o great_a a_o father_n and_o whereas_o epiphanius_n haer_fw-mi 6â—_n teach_v that_o we_o must_v use_v tradition_n for_o the_o scripture_n have_v not_o all_o thing_n and_o therefore_o the_o apostle_n deliver_v certain_a thing_n by_o writing_n and_o certain_a by_o tradition_n with_o who_o agree_v s._n basil_n de_fw-fr spiritu_fw-la sancto_fw-la c._n 27._o saying_n some_o thing_n we_o have_v from_o scripture_n other_o thing_n from_o the_o apostle_n tadition_n etc._n etc._n both_o which_o have_v like_o force_n unto_o godliness_n d._n raynolds_n 689._o raynolds_n in_o his_o conclusion_n to_o his_o conf._n conc._n 1._o p._n 689._o his_o answer_n to_o these_o foresay_a saying_n of_o s._n basil_n &_o epiphanius_n be_v i_o take_v not_o upon_o i_o to_o control_v they_o but_o let_v the_o church_n judge_v if_o they_o consider_v with_o advice_n enough_o etc._n etc._n in_o like_a sort_n eusebius_n affirm_v l._n 1._o demonstr_n euang._n c._n 8_o that_o the_o apostle_n publish_v their_o doctrine_n partly_o by_o writing_n partly_o without_o writing_n as_o it_o be_v by_o a_o certain_a unwritten_a law_n d._n whitaker_n 668._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la scriptura_fw-la p_o 668._o say_v hereof_o i_o answer_v that_o this_o testimony_n be_v plain_a enough_o but_o in_o no_o force_n ta_o be_v receive_v because_o it_o be_v against_o the_o scripture_n chemnitius_n 90._o chemnitius_n exam._n part_n 1._o p._n 87._o 89._o 90._o reprove_v for_o their_o like_a testimony_n of_o unwritten_a tradition_n clemens_n alexandrinus_n origen_n epiphanius_n ambrose_n hierom_n maximus_n theophilus_n basil_n etc._n etc._n and_o m._n fulk_n 36._o fulk_n against_o purg._n p._n 302_o 303._o 397_o and_o against_o martial_a p._n 170._o 178._o anâ—_n against_o bristowe_v moâ—â—â—s_n p._n 35._o 36._o confess_v as_o much_o of_o chrysostome_n tertulian_n cyprian_a augustin_n hierom_n etc._n etc._n schrederus_n 72._o schrederus_n opusc_n theol._n p._n 72._o acknowledge_v that_o origen_n and_o basil_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o holie-ghost_n and_o hierom_n against_o the_o luciferian_o do_v relate_v many_o custom_n which_o they_o call_v doctrine_n receive_v by_o tradition_n without_o writing_n as_o threefold_a immersion_n in_o baptism_n prayer_n towards_o the_o east_n the_o word_n of_o invocation_n when_o the_o bread_n of_o the_o eucharist_n be_v show_v etc._n etc._n prohibition_n to_o fast_o on_o sunday_n etc._n etc._n sacrifice_n for_o the_o dead_a etc._n etc._n and_o d._n whitaker_n 668._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la script_n p._n 678_o 681._o 683_o 685._o 690._o 695._o 696._o 670._o 668._o acknowledge_v and_o reprove_v for_o their_o like_a doctrine_n of_o tradition_n chrysostom_n epiphanius_n tertulian_n cyprian_a augustin_n innocentius_n leo_n basil_n eusebius_n etc._n etc._n the_o centurist_n 299._o centurist_n cent_z 4._o p_o 299._o condemn_v all_o the_o father_n of_o the_o four_o age_n one_o by_o one_o recite_v their_o sentence_n and_o reject_v they_o chemnitius_n recite_v and_o reject_v the_o say_n of_o origen_n 87._o origen_n exâ—m_fw-la part_n 1._o p._n 87._o conclude_v thus_o so_o origen_n judge_v that_o there_o be_v apostolical_a tradition_n and_o d._n fulk_n 393_o fulk_n against_o purg._n p._n 393_o confess_v that_o tertulian_n teach_v sacrifice_n and_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a upon_o tradition_n from_o the_o apostle_n d._n whitaker_n 685._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la script_n p._n 685._o be_v to_o answer_v s._n cyprian_n plain_n saying_n for_o tradition_n write_v thus_o i_o answer_v first_o cyprian_n be_v no_o apostle_n and_o therefore_o his_o word_n be_v to_o be_v examine_v and_o not_o all_o thing_n forthwith_o to_o be_v receive_v etc._n etc._n therefore_o let_v we_o not_o regard_v what_o he_o say_v &c._n &c._n last_o whereas_o s._n dyonisius_n de_fw-fr eccles_n hierarchia_fw-la c._n 1._o s._n paul_n scholar_n affirm_v that_o the_o apostle_n do_v deliver_v their_o doctrine_n partly_o by_o writing_n partly_o without_o writing_n etc._n etc._n d._n whitaker_n 655._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la script_n p._n 655._o devoid_a of_o all_o answer_n or_o evasion_n say_v i_o do_v acknowledge_v that_o dionysius_n be_v in_o many_o place_n a_o great_a patron_n of_o tradition_n and_o d._n fulk_n 35._o fulk_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o a_o count_n cath_z p._n 35._o confess_v that_o papias_n be_v scholar_n to_o s._n john_n yet_o m._n midleton_n 200._o midleton_n papistomastix_a p._n 200._o affirm_v that_o papias_n be_v the_o first_o father_n and_o founder_n of_o tradition_n but_o before_o all_o these_o live_v the_o ancient_a jew_n of_o who_o paulus_n fagius_n write_v that_o patrum_fw-la that_o comment_fw-fr in_o cap._n patrum_fw-la the_o jew_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o moses_n receive_v from_o god_n in_o mount_n sinai_n a_o double_a law_n the_o one_o which_o they_o call_v the_o law_n deliver_v in_o writing_n the_o other_o which_o they_o call_v the_o law_n which_o be_v in_o the_o mouth_n or_o deliver_v by_o word_n of_o mouth_n and_o this_o last_o they_o affirm_v to_o be_v derive_v by_o moses_n to_o posterity_n by_o a_o certain_a order_n of_o succession_n and_o the_o self_n same_o be_v confess_v by_o d._n beard_n 74._o beard_n rotract_v from_o rom._n relig._n â—_o 73_o 74._o m._n rollock_n likewise_o avouch_v that_o 241._o that_o treatise_n of_o god_n effectual_a call_n p._n 241._o the_o church_n after_o moses_n have_v both_o the_o tradition_n or_o sound_v of_o a_o lively_a voice_n and_o of_o the_o scripture_n and_o write_v word_n of_o god_n and_o the_o same_o doctrine_n of_o tradition_n in_o the_o jew_n be_v confess_v by_o buxdorfius_n 67._o buxdorfius_n synagoga_fw-la judaica_n p._n 13_o 21._o 48_o 67._o a_o protestant_n hebrew_n reader_n in_o basile_n d._n morton_n admit_v that_o 377._o that_o prot._n appeal_n l._n 2._o p_o 377._o the_o protestant_n will_n as_o ready_o confess_v that_o the_o jew_n pretend_v unwritten_a tradition_n as_o can_v either_o egesippus_fw-la or_o anatolius_n but_o whether_o they_o do_v make_v that_o boast_n unjust_o or_o just_o that_o say_v he_o be_v worthy_a our_o m_z st_o diligent_a scan_n well_o then_o the_o father_n here_o confess_v and_o dislike_v by_o protestant_n for_o our_o catholic_n doctrine_n of_o tradition_n be_v s._n gregory_n austin_n ambrose_n hierome_n chrysostom_n epiphanius_n basil_n eusebius_n maximus_n theophilus_n innocentius_n leo_n cyprian_n origen_n tertulian_n clemens_n alexandrinus_n dionysius_n areopagita_n papias_n and_o the_o faithful_a jew_n before_o christ_n the_o protestant_n cite_v and_o reprove_v the_o say_a father_n herein_o be_v chemnitius_n caluin_n schrederus_n buxdorfius_n whitaker_n carthwright_n morton_n beard_n rollock_n fulk_n and_o rainolds_n so_o apparent_a it_o be_v that_o our_o present_a roman_a church_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o tradition_n do_v still_o insist_v in_o the_o step_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n it_o be_v confess_v by_o protestant_n that_o according_a to_o the_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n the_o sacrament_n do_v true_o confer_v grace_n &_o remission_n of_o sin_n and_o that_o they_o be_v in_o number_n seven_o chapter_n vii_o protestant's_n articuli_fw-la protestant's_n luth._o in_o assert_v 1._o articuli_fw-la teach_v faith_n alone_o to_o justify_v do_v consequent_o affirm_v the_o sacrament_n to_o be_v but_o bare_a sign_n not_o cause_n of_o our_o justification_n serve_v either_o even_o as_o preach_v for_o a_o object_n to_o stir_v up_o and_o nourish_v our_o faith_n or_o for_o certain_a mark_n whereby_o the_o faithful_a be_v discern_v from_o infidel_n but_o contrary_a hereto_o the_o catholic_n church_n 1._o church_n conc._n florent_fw-la ln_o institut_fw-la armenorun_n try_v sess_v 7._o can_n 1._o have_v define_v the_o sacrament_n to_o give_v or_o confer_v grace_n to_o the_o worthy_a receiver_n and_o that_o they_o joint_o with_o faith_n and_o other_o virtue_n concur_v to_o our_o
father_n be_v no_o protestant_n but_o mere_o papist_n wherein_o we_o may_v glory_v as_o reverence_v their_o sanctity_n admire_v their_o learning_n and_o honour_v their_o antiquity_n neither_o be_v it_o true_a as_o protestant_n use_v to_o suggest_v that_o catholic_n distrust_v their_o cause_n if_o it_o be_v commit_v to_o trial_n by_o scripture_n do_v therefore_o fly_v from_o it_o to_o father_n and_o doctor_n for_o as_o for_o all_o such_o point_n as_o be_v contain_v in_o scripture_n to_o scripture_n we_o appeal_v it_o be_v that_o we_o urge_v her_o literal_a sense_n and_o word_n have_v make_v we_o papist_n we_o therefore_o only_o recurre_v to_o father_n either_o for_o the_o better_a finding-out_a and_o understand_v the_o true_a meaning_n of_o sundry_a difficult_a passage_n and_o text_n of_o scripture_n or_o for_o the_o true_a discern_v of_o several_a ecclesiastical_a tradition_n and_o doctrine_n teach_v and_o practise_v by_o the_o church_n and_o yet_o no_o where_n mention_v in_o the_o written_a word_n and_o as_o this_o be_v not_o most_o impious_o to_o oppose_v father_n to_o scripture_n or_o to_o fly_v from_o scripture_n to_o father_n so_o be_v it_o in_o these_o respect_v the_o most_o assure_a mean_n to_o give_v we_o satisfaction_n for_o as_o none_o ever_o leave_v more_o livelie_a monument_n of_o rare_a wit_n &_o profund_a knowledge_n or_o more_o shine_a testimony_n of_o great_a purity_n and_o sanctity_n in_o life_n or_o more_o astonish_a wonder_n and_o miracle_n in_o confirmation_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o doctrine_n than_o these_o ancient_a father_n so_o be_v there_o none_o ever_o furnish_v with_o so_o good_a mean_v either_o of_o know_v the_o apostle_n or_o the_o apostle_n preach_v as_o the_o apostle_n first_o heir_n and_o next_o successor_n the_o sweet_a fruit_n of_o their_o labour_n our_o holy_a father_n but_o to_o prosecute_v yet_o further_o this_o so_o lunatic_a proceed_n of_o protestant_n against_o these_o grave_a sage_n of_o christ_n catholic_n church_n what_o more_o indignus_fw-fr or_o injurious_a can_v be_v utter_v then_o that_o these_o so_o great_a doctor_n all_o of_o they_o unite_a member_n of_o one_o catholic_n church_n shall_v be_v at_o deadly_a war_n and_o dissension_n among_o themselves_o in_o important_a article_n of_o faith_n &_o religion_n yea_o that_o one_o and_o the_o same_o doctor_n shall_v contradict_v himself_o &_o that_o in_o matter_n fundamental_a &_o of_o great_a consequence_n and_o yet_o caluin_n blush_v not_o to_o say_v 7._o say_v in_o inst_z in_o praef._n ad_fw-la reg._n galliae_fw-la p._n 7._o those_o holy_a man_n be_v ignorant_a of_o many_o thing_n they_o often_o fight_v among_o themselves_o and_o sometime_o with_o themselves_o beza_n likewise_o speak_v of_o the_o ancient_a father_n in_o theodosius_n his_o time_n say_v 7._o say_v in_o inst_z in_o praef._n ad_fw-la reg._n galliae_fw-la p._n 7._o i_o confess_v as_o then_o there_o be_v most_o learned_a bishop_n 4._o bishop_n in_o now_o test_n praef._n ad_fw-la princip_n condens_fw-la p._n 4._o but_o this_o also_o i_o affirm_v etc._n etc._n that_o scarce_o any_o of_o they_o can_v be_v name_v who_o dissent_v not_o both_o from_o himself_o and_o other_o in_o many_o thing_n and_o those_o of_o great_a moment_n a_o thing_n incredible_a in_o such_o learned_a bishop_n if_o caluin_n and_o beza_n be_v not_o the_o broacher_n who_o seldom_o tell_v truth_n 419._o truth_n ep._n ad_fw-la rom._n c._n 14._o p._n 419._o melancthon_n also_o thus_o write_v of_o the_o father_n see_v they_o sometime_o speak_v contrary_a thing_n they_o must_v pardon_v we_o if_o we_o reprehend_v certain_a thing_n in_o they_o and_o 463._o and_o devotis_fw-la p._n 463._o though_o the_o father_n be_v wise_a and_o learned_a and_o see_v many_o thing_n say_v peter_n martyr_n yet_o they_o be_v man_n and_o can_v err_v and_o that_o chief_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o the_o father_n do_v not_o always_o agree_v among_o themselves_o and_o sometime_o one_o dissent_v from_o himself_o those_o father_n say_v 224._o say_v retractive_a from_o romish_a religion_n p._n 223._o 224._o d._n beard_n that_o live_v in_o the_o next_o two_o hundred_o year_n after_o the_o first_o speak_v of_o this_o matter_n of_o invocation_n of_o saint_n very_o various_o and_o doubtful_o as_o if_o it_o be_v a_o doctrine_n which_o they_o know_v not_o what_o to_o say_v to_o and_o be_v not_o full_o resolve_v in_o three_o of_o those_o father_n which_o he_o allege_v though_o in_o some_o place_n they_o seem_v to_o allow_v that_o custom_n which_o be_v then_o bring_v into_o the_o church_n yet_o in_o other_o place_n they_o disallow_v the_o same_o yea_o and_o they_o be_v disapprove_v also_o of_o other_o that_o live_v in_o the_o same_o age._n thus_o true_a athanasius_n condemn_v invocation_n of_o saint_n etc._n etc._n &_o false_a athanasius_n allow_v it_o etc._n etc._n basil_n approve_v it_o but_o nazianzene_n doubt_v of_o it_o and_o epiphanius_n etc._n etc._n utter_o condemn_v it_o chrysostome_n in_o some_o place_n seem_v to_o allow_v of_o it_o in_o other_o he_o speak_v against_o it_o and_o so_o do_v augustine_n and_o the_o rest_n the_o like_a contradition_n d._n whitaker_n instance_v in_o s._n basil_n say_v 670._o say_v de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la scrip._n p._n 670._o basil_n fight_v with_o himself_o and_o 675._o and_o de_fw-fr princip_n christ_n dog_n l._n 2._o c._n 10._o p._n 675._o i_o oppose_v say_v lubbertus_n basil_n against_o basil_n and_o 678._o and_o ib._n p._n 678._o damascene_fw-la be_v contrary_a to_o himself_o yea_o 676._o yea_o ib._n p._n 676._o i_o oppose_v chrysostome_n against_o chrysostome_n of_o who_o also_o say_v whitaker_n 678._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la scrip._n p._n 678._o he_o be_v at_o variance_n with_o himself_o and_o 676._o and_o ibid._n p._n 676._o let_v we_o not_o attend_v what_o cyprian_n say_v but_o let_v we_o examine_v he_o by_o his_o own_o law_n yea_o of_o s._n augustin_n whitaker_n blush_v not_o to_o say_v 690._o say_v ibid._n p._n 690._o although_o in_o this_o he_o may_v be_v think_v to_o favour_v tradition_n yet_o in_o other_o place_n he_o defend_v earnest_o the_o perfection_n of_o the_o scripture_n of_o who_o also_o say_v d._n beard_n 413._o beard_n retractive_a from_o romish_n religione_fw-la 413._o augustin_n who_o they_o challenge_v for_o the_o great_a patron_n of_o this_o fire_n yet_o define_v nothing_o determinate_o of_o it_o but_o speak_v doubt_o and_o problematical_o and_o if_o he_o affirm_v it_o in_o some_o one_o place_n he_o leave_v it_o in_o suspense_n in_o other_o and_o utter_o deny_v it_o in_o a_o three_o d._n morton_n acknowledge_v that_o protestant_n 202._o protestant_n prot._n appeal_n l._n 2._o p._n 201._o 202._o have_v particular_o and_o by_o name_n observe_v that_o justinus_n ireneus_fw-la clemens_n tertullian_n origen_n cyprian_n and_o other_o albeit_o many_o time_n they_o plead_v for_o the_o free_a will_n of_o the_o corrupt_a nature_n of_o man_n yet_o be_v they_o sometime_o reduce_v unto_o the_o more_o orthodoxal_a hold_n write_v thereof_o more_o commodious_o belike_o as_o deny_v freewill_a but_o this_o be_v only_o a_o protestant_n or_o lie_a observation_n i_o must_v infer_v that_o as_o this_o so_o base_a proceed_n against_o the_o father_n do_v evident_o demonstrate_v and_o discover_v the_o unablenes_n of_o protestant_n in_o allege_v the_o father_n further_a against_o we_o than_o they_o be_v pretend_v to_o be_v against_o themselves_o which_o all_o of_o judgement_n will_v confess_v to_o be_v nothing_o so_o do_v it_o alfo_o no_o less_o clear_o convince_v that_o protestant_n in_o their_o own_o conscience_n do_v find_v and_o know_v the_o father_n direct_o to_o condemn_v their_o opinion_n and_o to_o patronize_v papistry_n for_o otherwise_o they_o will_v never_o endeavour_v so_o foul_o to_o blemish_v they_o by_o urge_v contradiction_n with_o themselves_o which_o the_o mean_a writer_n though_o in_o trivial_a matter_n do_v ever_o scorn_n as_o too_o clear_a a_o argument_n of_o gross_a oblivion_n or_o worse_a inconstancy_n now_o from_o this_o conceit_n of_o the_o father_n ignorance_n and_o contradiction_n to_o themselves_o protestant_n doubt_v not_o to_o prefer_v their_o own_o modern_a writer_n for_o judgement_n knowledge_n and_o learning_n before_o the_o great_a &_o ancient_a doctor_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n so_o luther_n in_o his_o protestant_a humility_n thus_o speak_v of_o himself_o consolation_n himself_o lib._n ad_fw-la ducem_fw-la georgium_n and_o see_v colloq_fw-la lat_fw-la c._n the_o consolation_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n no_o doctor_n or_o writer_n have_v so_o excellent_o and_o clear_o confirm_v instruct_v and_o comfort_v the_o conscience_n of_o the_o secular_a state_n as_o i_o have_v do_v by_o the_o singular_a grace_n of_o god_n this_o certain_o i_o know_v that_o neither_o austin_n not_o ambrose_n who_o be_v yet_o in_o this_o matter_n the_o best_a be_v equal_a to_o i_o herein_o 271._o herein_o tom._n 7._o serm._n de_fw-fr euersione_n jerusalem_n f._n 271._o the_o gospel_n
193._o now_o because_o priest_n without_o knowledge_n and_o confession_n of_o sin_n can_v not_o discern_v or_o judge_v when_o or_o what_o sin_n be_v to_o be_v remit_v or_o retain_v it_o be_v further_a likewise_o confess_v that_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n confession_n auricular_a and_o particular_a of_o sin_n to_o the_o priest_n be_v teach_v and_o practise_v and_o though_o 490._o though_o contra_fw-la duraeum_n l._n 7._o p._n 490._o d._n whitaker_n do_v affirm_v that_o innocentius_n the_o three_o be_v the_o first_o that_o institute_v auricular_a confession_n for_o necessary_a yet_o s._n leo_n who_o live_v almost_o eight_o hundred_o year_n before_o this_o innocentius_n be_v charge_v with_o like_a innovation_n by_o m._n simonides_n 57_o simonides_n upon_o the_o revel_v p._n 57_o say_v leo_n the_o first_o first_o brought-in_a auricular_a confession_n and_o then_o present_o after_o he_o cit_v s._n leo_n his_o own_o word_n for_o auricular_a confession_n and_o whereas_o long_v before_o innocentius_n the_o jacobite_n be_v condemn_v for_o affirm_v that_o we_o be_v to_o confess_v our_o sin_n to_o god_n only_o and_o that_o confession_n of_o sin_n to_o a_o priest_n be_v not_o needful_a this_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o the_o protestant_a 126._o protestant_a p._n 126._o author_n of_o catholic_n tradition_n but_o to_o clear_v also_o s._n leo_n of_o all_o novellisme_n in_o this_o hehalf_n it_o be_v confess_v by_o the_o centurist_n 426._o centurist_n cent._n 4._o col_fw-fr 425._o and_o see_v col_fw-fr 426._o that_o even_o in_o the_o time_n of_o constantin_n who_o live_v above_o one_o hundred_o year_n before_o s._n leo_n that_o the_o christian_n as_o then_o to_o this_o end_n have_v a_o priest_n etc._n etc._n appoint_v to_o who_o those_o come_n who_o have_v sin_v shall_v confess_v the_o sin_n they_o have_v commit_v etc._n etc._n and_o the_o priest_n upon_o that_o condition_n absolve_v those_o who_o confess_v that_o they_o shall_v desire_v from_o he_o penance_n for_o their_o sin_n yea_o they_o arise_v high_a and_o plain_o confess_v â—27_n confess_v cent._n 3._o c._n 6._o col_fw-fr â—27_n that_o in_o the_o time_n of_o cyprian_a &_o tertulian_n private_a confession_n of_o thought_n and_o lesser_a sin_n be_v use_v and_o think_v necessary_a and_o their_o word_n be_v these_o absolution_n from_o sin_n be_v so_o give_v that_o those_o who_o do_v pennance_n first_o confess_v their_o sin_n for_o so_o do_v tertulian_n great_o urge_v confession_n in_o his_o book_n of_o penance_n and_o that_o private_a confession_n be_v usual_a wherein_o they_o confess_v their_o crime_n as_o also_o their_o wicked_a thought_n it_o appear_v by_o some_o place_n of_o cyprian_a as_o in_o the_o five_o sermon_n de_fw-fr lapsis_fw-la &_o three_o book_n of_o epistle_n ep_v 14._o &_o 16._o where_o he_o plain_o say_v even_o for_o lesser_a sin_n which_o be_v not_o commit_v direct_o against_o god_n it_o be_v needful_a to_o go_v to_o confession_n and_o this_o he_o command_v to_o be_v do_v often_o l._n 1._o ep_v 3._o etc._n etc._n thus_o far_o the_o centurist_n confession_n be_v make_v by_o the_o penitent_a to_o the_o priest_n the_o centurist_n 386._o centurist_n cent._n 3._o col_fw-fr 127_o &_o 81._o 38._o 49._o 82._o and_o see_v caluin_n instit_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 12._o §._o 8._o and_o conc._n laodicenum_n can._n 2._o apud_fw-la osiand_n cent_n 4_o p_o 386._o further_o confess_v that_o pennance_n or_o satisfaction_n be_v enjoin_v according_a to_o the_o offence_n and_o that_o the_o priest_n 868._o priest_n cent._n 4._o col_fw-fr 425._o 426._o and_o see_v col_fw-fr 491._o 834._o 868._o do_v absolve_v those_o who_o confess_v their_o sin_n upon_o that_o condition_n that_o they_o will_v demand_v punishment_n for_o the_o same_o and_o d._n whitaker_n 78._o whitaker_n cont._n camp_n rat_n 5._o p._n 78._o acknowledge_v that_o cyprian_a &_o tertulian_n thought_n by_o such_o their_o external_a discipline_n of_o life_n to_o pay_v the_o pain_n due_a for_o sin_n and_o to_o satisfy_v god_n justice_n and_o that_o not_o cyprian_n only_o but_o almost_o all_o the_o most_o holy_a father_n of_o that_o time_n be_v in_o that_o error_n so_o likewise_o melancthon_n 16._o melancthon_n in_o his_o libelli_fw-la aliquot_fw-la fol._n 10._o 11._o 16._o dislike_v that_o cyprian_a urge_v canonical_a penance_n etc._n etc._n and_o confirm_v the_o opinion_n as_o though_o they_o be_v necessary_a &_o that_o for_o they_o sin_n be_v forgive_v etc._n etc._n in_o like_a sort_n the_o whole_a nycene_n council_n overcome_v with_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o multitude_n and_o time_n approve_v the_o canon_n of_o penance_n and_o for_o the_o same_o doctrine_n he_o reprove_v the_o 28._o the_o ibid._n fol._n 19_o &_o 28._o carthage_n council_n &_o s._n chrysostome_n chemnitius_n 68_o chemnitius_n exam._n part_n 4._o p._n 68_o charge_v the_o father_n in_o general_a say_v i_o be_o not_o ignorant_a that_o the_o old_a father_n do_v sometime_o over_o large_o and_o with_o word_n over_o lofty_a command_n that_o canonical_a discipline_n as_o that_o tertulian_n say_v by_o these_o satisfaction_n sin_n be_v purge_v cyprian_n say_v by_o they_o sin_n be_v redeem_v wash_v cure_v ambrose_n by_o they_o the_o pain_n of_o hell_n be_v recompense_v augustin_n god_n by_o they_o be_v pacify_v for_o sin_n past_a and_o such_o like_a saying_n there_o be_v which_o with_o true_a faith_n neither_o can_v nor_o aught_o to_o be_v take_v as_o they_o sound_v and_o hamelmanus_fw-la avouch_v that_o cyprian_a seem_v foul_o to_o have_v err_v concern_v satisfaction_n yea_o say_v caluin_n 38._o caluin_n pref._n inst_z ad_fw-la reg._n galliae_fw-la and_o see_v inst_z l._n 3._o c._n 4._o §._o 38._o those_o thing_n which_o every_o foot_n occur_v in_o the_o work_n of_o the_o old_a writer_n or_o father_n touch_v satisfaction_n move_v i_o but_o little_a 97._o little_a de_fw-fr tradit_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n 7._o col_fw-fr 97._o for_o i_o see_v that_o diverse_a of_o they_o i_o will_v say_v simple_o as_o it_o be_v almost_o all_o who_o work_n be_v extant_a either_o have_v err_v in_o this_o matter_n or_o have_v speak_v over_o crabed_o &_o hardly_o and_o again_o 8._o again_o inst_z l._n 3_o 4_o c._n 12._o §._o 8._o the_o immoderate_a austerity_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n can_v not_o way_n be_v excuse_v it_o differ_v whole_o from_o the_o commandment_n of_o our_o lord_n &_o be_v very_o dangerous_a here_o their_o wisdom_n be_v to_o be_v require_v as_o also_o 16._o also_o inst_z l._n 3_o c_o 3_o §._o 16._o the_o ancient_a writer_n exceed_v measure_n with_o immoderate_a praise_n they_o commend_v that_o corporal_a discipline_n they_o be_v more_o severe_a in_o exact_v chastisement_n then_o ecclesiastical_a lenity_n do_v permit_v and_o the_o centurist_n speak_v of_o the_o three_o age_n affirm_v that_o 81._o that_o cent._n 3._o p._n 81._o most_o of_o the_o doctor_n of_o this_o age_n do_v wonderful_o deprave_v the_o doctrine_n of_o penance_n yea_o they_o spare_v not_o to_o say_v of_o the_o age_n next_o to_o the_o apostle_n that_o 62._o that_o cent._n 2._o p._n 62._o even_o then_o this_o part_n of_o doctrine_n concern_v penance_n begin_v to_o be_v weaken_v now_o as_o concern_v indulgence_n or_o pardon_n of_o temporal_a punishment_n it_o be_v confess_v by_o m._n simonides_n 84._o simonides_n upon_o the_o revel_v p._n 84._o that_o s._n gregory_n remit_v canonical_a penance_n &_o promise_v clean_a remission_n of_o sin_n to_o such_o as_o frequent_v church_n on_o set_a day_n m._n bale_n 47._o bale_n in_o act._n rom._n pontif._n p._n 46_o 47._o affirm_v that_o gregory_n confirm_v by_o indulgence_n pilgrimage_n to_o image_n for_o the_o devotion_n of_o the_o people_n and_o that_o he_o be_v a_o defender_n of_o pardon_n yet_o not_o a_o seller_n as_o also_o that_o he_o first_o grant_v pardon_n for_o set_a day_n and_o to_o such_o as_o visit_v church_n in_o like_a manner_n pantaleon_n 48._o pantaleon_n in_o chr._n p._n 48._o avouch_v of_o he_o that_o he_o first_o grant_v pardon_n of_o sin_n to_o the_o people_n visit_v church_n upon_o set_a day_n in_o decret_n &_o in_o 3._o psal_n paenit_fw-la 48._o paenit_fw-la in_o his_o euseb_n capt._n publish_v by_o pâ—zelius_n under_o the_o title_n of_o act._n 1._o diei_fw-la de_fw-la indulgentijs_fw-la fol._n 48._o hieronymus_n marius_n think_v that_o gregory_n the_o first_o and_o boniface_n the_o eigth_n be_v the_o chief_a author_n of_o pardon_n cyprian_a 32._o cyprian_a in_o his_o treatise_n of_o the_o life_n of_o pope_n engl._n p._n 32._o also_o valera_n confess_v of_o s._n grogorie_n that_o he_o grant_v pardon_n but_o sell_v they_o not_o and_o d._n humphrey_n 627._o humphrey_n in_o jesuit_n part_n 2._o rat_n 5._o p_o 5._o &_o 627._o repeat_v sundry_a catholic_n point_n of_o faith_n teach_v and_o bring_v into_o england_n by_o s._n gregory_n &_o s._n austin_n infer_v from_o they_o in_o these_o word_n from_o all_o which_o what_o else_o be_v intend_v but_o that_o pardon_n monachisme_n papistry_n
the_o window_n herein_o as_o our_o doctor_n with_o his_o other_o brethren_n have_v blind_o observe_v to_o which_o effect_n d._n fulk_n acknowledge_v that_o s._n ambrose_n 202._o ambrose_n in_o his_o confutation_n of_o purgat_fw-la p_o 78._o 320._o 326_o 202._o allow_v prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o that_o it_o be_v the_o common_a error_n of_o his_o time_n as_o also_o 675._o also_o ibid._n p_o 194._o and_o see_v cent._n 5._o c._n 6._o col_fw-fr 675._o that_o chrysostom_n &_o hierome_n allow_v prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o chemnitius_n confess_v the_o same_o of_o ambrose_n 94._o ambrose_n exam._n part_n 3._o p._n 93._o 94._o prudentius_n &_o hierome_n and_o further_o reprehend_v s._n epiphanius_n 107._o epiphanius_n ibid._n p._n 107._o as_o not_o dare_v to_o refute_v such_o opinion_n of_o the_o common_a people_n as_o also_o s._n augustin_n &_o s._n chrysostom_n for_o yield_v over_o much_o herein_o to_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o time_n and_o the_o receive_v opinion_n of_o the_o vulgar_a gal._n vulgar_a de_fw-fr ratione_fw-la refor_n eccl._n edic_fw-la gal._n i_o do_v not_o deny_v say_v caluin_n these_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a to_o have_v be_v receive_v by_o s._n chrysostom_n epiphanius_n &_o s._n austin_n and_o such_o other_o because_o they_o have_v they_o from_o their_o predecessor_n etc._n etc._n but_o these_o good_a man_n who_o i_o have_v name_v with_o over_o much_o credulity_n without_o all_o discretion_n &_o judgement_n follow_v that_o which_o within_o short_a time_n have_v get_v authority_n osiander_n testify_v that_o 23_o pelagius_n the_o second_o decree_v that_o memory_n of_o the_o dead_a shall_v be_v make_v in_o every_o mass_n after_o the_o elevation_n of_o the_o healthful_a host_n which_o decree_n be_v observe_v even_o unto_o this_o day_n melancthon_n charge_v the_o whole_a council_n of_o carthage_n herewith_o say_v 216_o say_v in_o his_o libelli_fw-la aliquot_fw-la etc._n etc._n f._n 19_o and_o see_v apol._n conf_n aug_n c._n de_fw-la vocabulis_fw-la missae_fw-la f._n 216_o the_o four_o carthage_n council_n contain_v a_o decree_n of_o prayer_n &_o sacrifice_n for_o the_o dead_a in_o these_o word_n etc._n etc._n d._n fulk_n acknowledge_v that_o this_o forefather_n 44._o forefather_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o a_o counterf_n cath._n p._n 44._o aerius_n teach_v that_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a be_v unprofitable_a as_o witness_v say_v he_o both_o epiphanius_n &_o austin_n which_o they_o count_v for_o a_o error_n hereunto_o agree_v hospinian_n say_v 155._o say_v hist_o sacr_n part_n 1._o fol._n 155._o it_o be_v the_o common_a opinion_n of_o the_o vulgar_a that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o dead_a may_v something_o be_v holpen_v by_o the_o prayer_n alm_n &_o sacrifice_n which_o be_v do_v upon_o earth_n as_o be_v evident_o understand_v by_o the_o disputation_n of_o epiphanius_n with_o aërius_n d._n fulk_n not_o only_o reprehend_v 349._o reprehend_v in_o his_o confut._n of_o purgat_fw-la p._n 320._o 294._o 326._o 349._o ambrose_n chrysostome_n &_o austin_n for_o allow_v prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a but_o withal_o he_o admit_v that_o it_o 78._o it_o ibid._n p._n 320._o 326._o 34â—_n 78._o be_v the_o common_a error_n of_o their_o time_n and_o that_o the_o error_n of_o purgatory_n be_v somewhat_o rife_o bud_v in_o augustine_n time_n 161._o time_n ibid._n p._n 161._o yea_o answer_v to_o d._n allen_n he_o grant_v that_o 78._o that_o ibid._n p._n 78._o austin_n speak_v of_o the_o amend_v fire_n in_o the_o place_n by_o m._n allen_n allege_v he_o do_v so_o indeed_o say_v d._n fulk_n but_o austin_n have_v no_o ground_n of_o that_o fire_n but_o in_o the_o common_a error_n of_o his_o time_n so_o confess_o be_v the_o amend_v fire_n of_o purgatory_n the_o common_a doctrine_n of_o s._n augustine_n time_n a_o truth_n so_o certain_a that_o chemnitius_n for_o the_o self_n same_o doctrine_n reprehend_v 92._o reprehend_v exam._n part_n 3._o p._n 92._o clemens_n alexandrinus_n 93._o alexandrinus_n ibid._n p._n 93._o ambrose_n hierom_n 94._o hierom_n ibid._n p._n 94._o &_o prudentius_n ibid._n prudentius_n ibid._n and_o fulk_n speak_v of_o constantin_n the_o great_a who_o live_v somewhat_o before_o these_o father_n affirm_v that_o 313._o that_o in_o his_o confut_o of_o purg._n p._n 313._o in_o the_o burial_n of_o constantin_n there_o be_v mention_n of_o prayer_n for_o his_o soul_n according_a to_o the_o error_n of_o his_o time_n in_o like_a sort_n the_o centurist_n observe_v that_o 454._o that_o cent._n 4._o col_fw-fr 454._o a_o great_a multitude_n of_o people_n pour_v out_o their_o prayer_n with_o tear_n for_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o emperor_n and_o for_o the_o same_o doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n they_o accuse_v 304._o accuse_v cent._n 4._o c._n 4._o p._n 304._o lactantius_n prudentius_n &_o s._n hierome_n d._n beard_n speak_v of_o those_o father_n 414._o father_n retractive_a from_o romish_a religion_n p._n 414._o which_o do_v patronize_v purgatory_n mention_v from_o bellarmine_n athanasius_n basil_n &_o gregory_n nazianzene_n neither_o be_v this_o so_o general_a practice_n of_o the_o people_n or_o uniform_a consent_n in_o doctrine_n of_o these_o ancient_a father_n any_o innovation_n or_o first_o beginning_n error_n of_o their_o time_n for_o it_o be_v further_o confess_v by_o d._n fulk_n that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n not_o begin_v but_o â—06_n but_o in_o his_o retentive_a etc._n etc._n p._n â—06_n prevayl_v say_v he_o within_o three_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n and_o m._n gifford_n 38._o gifford_n in_o his_o demonstration_n that_o our_o browniste_n be_v full_a donatist_n p._n 38._o grant_v that_o in_o the_o church_n public_a worship_n to_o pray_v for_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o dead_a and_o to_o offer_v oblation_n for_o the_o dead_a be_v general_a in_o the_o church_n long_o before_o the_o day_n of_o austin_n as_o appear_v say_v he_o in_o cyprian_n &_o tertulian_n which_o be_v before_o he_o and_o near_o to_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n so_o likewise_o caluin_n 10._o caluin_n inst_z l_o 3_o c._n 5._o sec_fw-la 10._o acknowledge_v that_o above_o one_o thousand_o three_o hundred_o year_n since_o it_o be_v usual_a that_o prayer_n shall_v be_v make_v for_o the_o dead_a whatsoever_o hereof_o be_v read_v in_o the_o ancient_n writer_n be_v yield_v to_o the_o public_a custom_n and_o to_o the_o ignorance_n of_o the_o people_n etc._n etc._n i_o confess_v they_o be_v draw_v headlong_o into_o error_n even_o as_o inconsiderate_a credulity_n do_v usual_o deprive_v the_o mind_n of_o man_n of_o judgement_n and_o relate_v the_o custom_n of_o make_v commemoration_n of_o the_o dead_a in_o the_o supper_n or_o sacrifice_n that_o place_n of_o ease_n light_n and_o peace_n may_v be_v give_v to_o they_o he_o further_o say_v i_o do_v not_o deny_v this_o to_o have_v be_v a_o most_o ancient_a custom_n and_o because_o great_a be_v the_o force_n of_o custom_n or_o rather_o tyranny_n therefore_o i_o confess_v these_o prayer_n to_o have_v be_v approve_v by_o chrysostome_n epiphanius_n augustin_n and_o the_o like_a because_o as_o by_o hand_n they_o be_v deliver_v to_o they_o from_o their_o ancestor_n beza_n speak_v of_o the_o time_n of_o cyprian_a austin_n and_o chrysostom_n confess_v that_o as_o then_o con_v then_o praef._n in_o nowm_fw-la test_n ad_fw-la princ._n con_v prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a be_v begin_v to_o be_v use_v more_o free_o the_o protestant_a 206_o protestant_a in_o apoc._n p._n 206_o joannes_n winkelmannus_n avouch_v that_o origen_n decree_v a_o purgatory_n wherein_o after_o this_o life_n some_o sin_n be_v purge_v the_o centurist_n 87._o centurist_n cent._n 3._o col_fw-fr 87._o report_v that_o thou_o may_v see_v some_o seed_n of_o purgatory_n spread_v abroad_o in_o some_o place_n of_o origen_n as_o hom_n 2._o in_o psal_n 36._o yea_o in_o the_o same_o place_n they_o allege_v sundry_a of_o origen_n saying_n affirm_v purgatory_n and_o 265._o and_o cent._n 3_o col_fw-fr 265._o in_o another_o place_n they_o acknowledge_v that_o origen_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr principijs_fw-la decree_v purgatory_n to_o be_v the_o punishment_n of_o sin_n and_o for_o the_o same_o doctrine_n they_o reprehend_v 139._o reprehend_v cent._n 3._o col_fw-fr 138._o 139._o both_o cyprian_a and_o tertullian_n yea_o other_o protestant_n affirm_v of_o s._n cyprian_n s._n augustin_n &_o s._n john_n damascene_fw-la in_o that_o they_o defend_v prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a that_o 449._o that_o clypeus_fw-la fidei_fw-la dial._n 11._o p._n 449._o they_o be_v mere_a foolery_n which_o they_o have_v write_v of_o this_o matter_n and_o that_o such_o their_o doctrine_n be_v to_o be_v ascribe_v to_o ihe_v rash_a stupidity_n wherewith_o their_o head_n be_v move_v see_v they_o be_v devoid_a of_o the_o holie-ghost_n chemnitius_n grant_v that_o in_o the_o writing_n of_o dionysius_n the_o areopagite_n who_o be_v convert_v by_o the_o apostle_n mention_n be_v make_v of_o prayer_n 110._o prayer_n exam._n part_n 3._o p._n 110._o for_o the_o dead_a in_o the_o church_n and_o the_o like_a
be_v acknowledge_v of_o dionysius_n by_o melancthon_n 23._o melancthon_n in_o aliquot_fw-la libel_n etc._n etc._n fol._n 23._o &_o d._n fulk_n 353._o fulk_n against_o purgatory_n p._n 353._o which_o d._n fulk_n in_o plain_a word_n teach_v that_o tertulian_n 393._o tertulian_n against_o purgat_fw-la p._n 3â—2_n &_o see_v p_o 303._o 393._o cyprian_n austin_n hierom_n and_o a_o great_a many_o more_o do_v witness_n that_o sacrifice_n for_o the_o dead_a be_v the_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n whereunto_o bucer_n accord_v 311._o accord_v in_o enarrat_fw-la in_o sacra_fw-la quatuor_fw-la euangel_n in_o math._n c._n 12._o p_o 311._o affirm_v that_o prayer_n and_o alm_n be_v make_v for_o the_o dead_a almost_o from_o the_o very_a beginning_n of_o the_o church_n last_o zuinglius_fw-la being_n impugn_a for_o deny_v prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o press_v with_o the_o authority_n of_o father_n especial_o of_o s._n chrysostom_n &_o s._n augustin_n who_o derive_v this_o custom_n from_o the_o apostle_n answer_v thus_o 10._o thus_o tom._n 1._o epicheroe_n de_fw-fr can._n miss_n f._n 186._o and_o see_v tom._n 2._o in_o elench_v contra_fw-la anabap_n f._n 10._o if_o it_o be_v so_o as_o augustin_n and_o chrysostom_n report_n i_o think_v that_o the_o apostle_n suffer_v certain_a to_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a for_o no_o other_o cause_n then_o to_o condescend_v to_o their_o infirmity_n so_o insimulate_v the_o apostle_n wilful_o to_o have_v permit_v other_o to_o err_v according_a to_o the_o error_n of_o protestant_n in_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a which_o they_o can_v not_o do_v without_o error_n in_o themselves_o yea_o the_o doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n and_o prayer_n for_o they_o dead_a be_v believe_v and_o practise_v by_o the_o ancient_a true_a believe_a jew_n for_o whereas_o m._n morton_n speak_v of_o the_o church_n before_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n affirm_v the_o doctrine_n then_o teach_v by_o the_o jew_n to_o be_v now_o know_v among_o other_o reason_n 94._o reason_n treat_n of_o israel_n &_o the_o church_n p._n 93._o 94._o by_o the_o open_a confession_n of_o the_o jew_n in_o all_o age_n since_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n for_o say_v he_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o they_o hold_v even_o to_o this_o day_n those_o opinion_n which_o they_o receive_v from_o their_o ancestor_n and_o be_v common_o hold_v of_o that_o nation_n yea_o say_v the_o centurist_n 885._o centurist_n cent._n 8._o col_fw-fr 885._o the_o jew_n be_v constant_a in_o their_o opinion_n and_o pet._n martyr_n write_v that_o 599._o that_o com._n plac_n in_o engl._n part_n 2._o p._n 599._o the_o jew_n as_o yet_o continue_v and_o keep_v in_o so_o great_a adversity_n in_o so_o diverse_a and_o grievous_a captivity_n and_o dispersion_n they_o hold_v still_o their_o religion_n doubtless_o no_o ancient_a trojan_n lumbards_n hun_n or_o vandal_n have_v so_o hold_v their_o own_o etc._n etc._n and_o can_v show_v their_o original_n &_o history_n set_v forth_o in_o most_o true_a writing_n and_o be_v every_o where_o disperse_v as_o they_o be_v can_v nevertheless_o keep_v their_o own_o ordinance_n etc._n etc._n now_o concern_v these_o jew_n so_o constant_a in_o their_o faith_n and_o admit_v the_o book_n of_o maccabee_n but_o only_a for_o a_o true_a history_n it_o be_v evident_a thereby_o that_o judas_n machabeus_n a_o holy_a and_o just_a man_n procure_v 2.43.45_o procure_v 2._o machab_n 2.43.45_o sacrifice_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o that_o the_o priest_n of_o jerusalem_n then_o true_a believer_n offer_v the_o same_o wherein_o also_o our_o late_a jew_n be_v so_o conformable_a that_o d._n whitaker_n confess_v the_o same_o in_o these_o word_n 85._o word_n cont._n dur._n l._n 1._o p._n 85._o i_o know_v that_o the_o jew_n have_v libros_fw-la memoriale_n book_n of_o commemoration_n which_o they_o read_v in_o their_o synagogue_n and_o i_o be_o not_o ignorant_a that_o now_o they_o be_v accustom_v to_o use_v certain_a prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a insomuch_o that_o buxdorsius_n also_o report_v their_o know_a and_o confess_v doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n 275._o purgatory_n synagoga_fw-la judaica_n p._n 24._o 505._o 506._o 508._o 275._o d._n beard_n avouch_v that_o 77._o that_o retractive_a from_o the_o romish_a religion_n p._n 77._o the_o romanist_n be_v like_a unto_o the_o jew_n in_o their_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a for_o they_o hold_v and_o teach_v that_o prayer_n &_o sacrifice_n be_v to_o be_v offer_v for_o the_o dead_a ground_v their_o opinion_n partly_o upon_o the_o example_n of_o judas_n machabeus_n who_o as_o they_o affirm_v procure_v sacrifice_n to_o be_v offer_v by_o the_o priest_n for_o the_o dead_a etc._n etc._n and_o partly_o upon_o the_o thalmudical_a tradition_n of_o diverse_a of_o their_o ancient_a rabbin_n from_o the_o premise_n than_o we_o may_v remember_v that_o the_o ancient_a father_n do_v confess_o believe_v a_o place_n of_o purgatory_n after_o this_o life_n second_o wherein_o sin_n be_v punish_v and_o remit_v three_o for_o which_o remission_n they_o use_v to_o pray_v give_v alm_n and_o offer_v the_o most_o precious_a sacrifice_n of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n now_o the_o father_n acknowledge_v and_o reprehend_v by_o protestant_n for_o the_o foresaid_a point_n be_v s._n gregory_n austin_n ambrose_n hierome_n chrysostom_n prudentius_n epiphaenius_n pelagius_n the_o four_o carthage_n council_n cyprian_a tertullian_n origin_n clemens_n alexandrinus_n dionysius_n the_o areopagite_n the_o apostle_n and_o the_o ancient_a believe_v jew_n the_o protestant_a writer_n observe_v and_o dislike_n in_o the_o say_a father_n the_o foresaid_a point_n be_v caluin_n beza_n bullinger_n zuinglius_fw-la the_o centurie-writer_n carion_n chemnitius_n osiander_n melancthon_n hospinian_n winkelmannus_n buxdorsius_n bucer_n symonde_n bale_n sutcliffe_n humphrey_n fulk_n whitaker_n gifford_n willet_n &_o morton_n it_o be_v confess_v by_o protestant_n that_o the_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n believe_v and_o teach_v our_o catholic_n doctrine_n of_o christ_n descend_v into_o hel._n chapter_n xii_o according_a to_o the_o article_n of_o our_o creed_n he_o descend_v into_o hell_n catholic_n general_o teach_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o christ_n present_o after_o his_o death_n descend_v into_o hell_n or_o lymbus_n patrum_fw-la or_o abraham_n bosom_n there_o to_o deliver_v and_o redeem_v the_o captive_n soul_n of_o the_o holy_a patriarch_n prophet_n and_o other_o just_a who_o live_v before_o his_o time_n but_o protestant_n be_v divide_v among_o themselves_o act._n themselves_o buâ—er_o in_o c._n 27._o mat._n beza_n in_o c._n 2._o act._n some_o of_o they_o teach_v that_o by_o the_o foresay_a article_n be_v only_o understand_v that_o christ_n descend_v to_o his_o grave_n 12_o grave_n calu._n instit_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n 16._o §_o 8_o 9_o 10._o 11._o 12_o other_o that_o he_o suffer_v the_o pain_n of_o the_o damn_a soul_n now_o do_v decide_v this_o controversy_n by_o the_o belief_n and_o doctrine_n of_o the_o 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so_o many_o most_o famous_a father_n testimony_n most_o bare_o affirm_v that_o as_o concern_v they_o they_o be_v not_o instruct_v out_o of_o god_n word_n neither_o do_v they_o confirm_v their_o opinion_n from_o it_o but_o only_o from_o their_o own_o conjecture_n etc._n etc._n thus_o suppose_v their_o catholic_n opinion_n herein_o and_o therefore_o reject_v all_o their_o judgement_n as_o confirm_v their_o faith_n only_o by_o their_o own_o conjecture_n in_o danaeus_n his_o opinion_n which_o as_o no_o less_o absurd_a in_o itself_o then_o improbable_a to_o all_o judicious_a i_o omit_v as_o a_o answer_n pure_o protestantical_a in_o like_o plain_a manner_n 773._o manner_n conc._n dur._n l_o 8._o p._n 567_o and_o see_v p._n 773._o d._n whitaker_n in_o answer_n to_o the_o like_a testimony_n of_o the_o father_n urge_v by_o our_o catholic_n writer_n duraeus_n write_v thus_o that_o which_o thou_o can_v not_o do_v by_o scripture_n no_o doubt_n thou_o will_v perform_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n of_o who_o that_o i_o may_v free_o and_o brief_o answer_v thou_o what_o i_o
just_o condemn_v etc._n etc._n osiander_n 434._o osiander_n cent._n 4._o p._n 434._o recite_v the_o condemn_a error_n of_o aerius_n among_o the_o rest_n number_v appoint_a fast_n not_o to_o be_v keep_v &c_n &c_n and_o that_o fast_v be_v to_o be_v when_o a_o man_n will_v according_a to_o his_o liberty_n and_o whereas_o s._n epiphanius_n her_o 75._o affirm_v of_o aerius_n that_o he_o say_v neither_o shall_v fast_a be_v appoint_v for_o these_o thing_n be_v judaical_a and_o under_o the_o law_n of_o bondage_n if_o at_o all_o i_o will_v fast_o i_o will_v choose_v any_o of_o myself_o and_o i_o will_v fast_o for_o liberty_n all_o this_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o pantaleon_n 28._o pantaleon_n in_o his_o chronogr_n p._n 28._o and_o be_v so_o agreeable_a with_o the_o now_o doctrine_n of_o protestant_n that_o d._n whitaker_n 830._o whitaker_n contra_fw-la duraeum_n l._n 9_o p._n 830._o avouch_v that_o aerius_n teach_v nothing_o concern_v fast_v different_a from_o the_o catholic_n faith_n by_o which_o he_o mean_v the_o protestant_n faith_n insomuch_o that_o aerius_n herein_o be_v defend_v by_o danaeus_n 177._o danaeus_n de_fw-fr haresibus_fw-la c._n 53._o f._n 175._o 177._o &_o d._n fulk_n 45._o fulk_n answ_n to_o a_o countor_n cath._n p._n 45._o though_o m_n hooker_n 103._o hooker_n eccles_n pol._n l._n 5._o p._n 210._o and_o the_o author_n of_o quaerim_n eccles_n p._n 31._o 94_o 103._o and_o other_o protestant_a writer_n do_v no_o less_o condemn_v he_o herein_o of_o error_n then_o catholic_n do_v in_o like_a sort_n whereas_o d._n fulk_n â—72_n fulk_n against_o rhem._n test_n in_o math._n c._n 15_o fol._n 28._o and_o aretius_n loc_fw-la come_v p._n â—72_n and_o other_o protestant_a writer_n do_v common_o object_v against_o catholic_n that_o montanus_n the_o heretic_n be_v the_o first_o that_o appoint_v law_n of_o fast_v m._n hooker_n 210._o hooker_n eccles_n pol_n l._n 5._o p._n 209._o 210._o himself_o answer_v with_o we_o that_o the_o montanist_n be_v reprehend_v only_o for_o that_o they_o bring_v in_o sundry_a unaccustomed_a day_n of_o fast_v continue_v their_o fast_n a_o great_a deal_n long_o &_o make_v they_o more_o rigorous_a etc._n etc._n whereupon_o tertulian_n maintain_n montanisme_n write_v a_o book_n in_o defence_n of_o the_o new_a fast_o and_o the_o like_a answer_n be_v give_v by_o another_o protestant_a 110._o protestant_a quaerimonia_fw-la eccl_n p._n 110._o saying_n protestant_n say_v that_o eusebius_n manifest_o teach_v that_o montanus_n make_v the_o first_o law_n of_o fast_v but_o they_o be_v great_o deceive_v in_o this_o as_o in_o other_o thing_n etc._n etc._n montanus_n bring_v in_o a_o new_a custom_n of_o fast_v have_v abrogate_a the_o fast_n of_o the_o church_n etc._n etc._n and_o of_o this_o new_a custom_n in_o particular_a chemnitius_n 143._o chemnitius_n exam._n part_n 4._o p._n 143._o record_v that_o the_o montanist_n make_v three_o lent_n in_o the_o year_n as_o though_o three_o saviour_n suffer_v in_o the_o year_n which_o be_v altogether_o impertinent_a to_o catholic_n again_o whereas_o it_o be_v ordinary_o urge_v against_o catholic_n that_o they_o absolute_o condemn_v certain_a meat_n contrary_a to_o s._n paul_n 1_o tim._n 4.3_o m._n jacob_n 59_o jacob_n def._n of_o the_o church_n &_o ministry_n of_o england_n p._n 59_o a_o puritan_n acknowledge_v that_o the_o place_n of_o paul_n be_v understand_v of_o martion_n &_o tatianus_n who_o do_v absolute_o condemn_v marriage_n &_o certain_a meat_n and_o so_o say_v he_o be_v in_o no_o comparison_n with_o the_o papist_n if_o they_o err_v in_o nothing_o else_o but_o to_o proceed_v yet_o to_o father_n more_o ancient_a the_o centurist_n 136._o centurist_n cent._n 3_o col_fw-fr 136._o write_v that_o origen_n hom_n 10._o in_o leviticum_fw-la mention_v the_o 40._o day_n or_o lent_n consecrate_v to_o fast_v as_o also_o wenesday_n &_o friday_n in_o which_o say_v he_o be_v solemn_a fast_n d._n whitaker_n 506_o whitaker_n cont._n duraeum_n l._n 7._o p._n 480._o mort._n prot._n app._n p._n 506_o &_o d_o morton_n charge_v pope_n calixtus_n who_o live_v about_o anno_fw-la domini_fw-la 218._o that_o he_o be_v the_o first_o that_o ordain_v jeiunium_fw-la quatuor_fw-la temporum_fw-la or_o ember_n day_n and_o hamelmannus_fw-la 254._o hamelmannus_fw-la de_fw-fr trad._n apost_n col_fw-fr 254._o speak_v of_o hermes_n of_o who_o s._n paul_n make_v mention_n rom._n 16_o 14_o affirm_v that_o in_o his_o book_n entitle_v pastor_n be_v record_v the_o then_o fast_v from_o certain_a meat_n abraham_n schultetus_fw-la 440._o schultetus_fw-la in_o medulla_n theol._n patrum_fw-la p._n 440._o do_v not_o only_o affirm_v to_o use_v his_o word_n the_o superstition_n of_o lent_n &_o fast_v to_o have_v be_v allow_v &_o command_v by_o ignatius_n 209._o ignatius_n vbi_fw-la supra_fw-la and_o whitguift_n in_o his_o def._n p._n 102._o hooker_n eccl._n pol._n l._n 5._o p._n 209._o but_o do_v also_o as_o do_v likewise_o d._n whitguift_n &_o m._n hooker_n defend_v that_o very_a epistle_n of_o ignatius_n be_v ad_fw-la philippense_n in_o which_o this_o doctrine_n be_v extant_a to_o be_v his_o true_a epistle_n &_o not_o counterfeit_v chemnitius_n 89._o chemnitius_n exam._n part_n 1._o p._n 89._o confess_v that_o ambrose_n maximus_n tauroninsis_n theophilus_n hierom_n &_o other_o do_v affirm_v the_o fast_a of_o lent_n to_o be_v a_o apostolical_a tradition_n and_o the_o like_a almost_o in_o the_o same_o word_n be_v acknowledge_v by_o schrederus_n 71._o schrederus_n opuscul_fw-la theol_n p._n 71._o say_v ambrose_n theophilus_n hierom_n &_o other_o do_v decree_n that_o lent_n have_v descend_v from_o apostolical_a tradition_n add_v last_o that_o caluin_n 19_o caluin_n insti_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 12._o sec_fw-la 19_o speak_v of_o fast_v confess_v in_o general_a that_o he_o dare_v not_o whole_o excuse_v the_o old_a father_n but_o that_o they_o sow_v some_o seed_n of_o superstition_n and_o that_o 20._o that_o ibid._n sec_fw-la 20._o every_o where_o the_o observation_n of_o superstitious_a lent_n be_v in_o force_n hamelmannus_fw-la affirm_v that_o 460._o that_o de_fw-fr traedit_fw-la col_fw-fr 460._o after_o the_o death_n of_o john_n the_o apostle_n there_o begin_v fall_n away_o from_o the_o faith_n doctrine_n of_o devil_n under_o pretence_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n forbid_v of_o marriage_n &_o meat_n vow_n single_a life_n etc._n etc._n and_o the_o centurist_n do_v confess_v &_o report_v from_o 581._o from_o cent._n 1._o l._n 2._o c._n 10._o col_fw-fr 581._o the_o testimony_n of_o clemens_n alexandrinus_n egesippus_fw-la &_o josephus_n concern_v the_o abstinence_n of_o the_o bless_a apostle_n s._n james_n that_o 582._o that_o ibid._n col_fw-fr 582._o wine_n &_o sicer_n he_o do_v not_o drink_v that_o he_o do_v not_o feed_v of_o any_o live_a creature_n etc._n etc._n that_o he_o wear_v not_o woollen_a garment_n but_o be_v attire_v in_o syndon_n that_o he_o pray_v so_o continual_o upon_o his_o knee_n that_o camel-like_a they_o have_v lose_v their_o feel_n 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allege_v to_o the_o same_o purpose_n not_o only_o the_o several_a testimony_n of_o epiphanius_n but_o also_o of_o tertulian_n &_o ignatius_n free_o confess_v that_o sunday_n fast_n be_v condemn_v in_o eustathius_n &_o the_o aerian_o in_o like_a sort_n s._n austin_n ep_v 86._o ad_fw-la casulanum_fw-la affirm_v that_o to_o fast_o on_o sunday_n be_v a_o great_a offence_n 35._o offence_n in_o h_o s_o papistomastix_n p._n 35._o especial_o since_o the_o detestable_a heresy_n of_o the_o manichee_n etc._n etc._n who_o appoint_v unto_o their_o hearer_n this_o day_n as_o lawful_a to_o be_v fast_v upon_o this_o say_n be_v allege_v by_o d._n whiteguift_n 102._o whiteguift_n in_o his_o def._n p._n 102._o &_o the_o centurie-writer_n 445._o centurie-writer_n cent._n 4._o col_fw-fr 445._o as_o also_o be_v s._n ambrose_n for_o the_o same_o purpose_n by_o m._n parker_n 38._o parker_n against_o symbol_n part_n 2._o c._n 5._o sec_fw-la 16_o p._n 38._o and_o where_o clement_n l._n 5._o constit_fw-la apost_n c._n ult._n &_o ignatius_n