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A33222 Several captious queries concerning the English Reformation first proposed by Dean Manby (an Irish convert) in Latin, and afterwards by T.W. in English, briefly and fully answered by Dr. Clagett. Clagett, William, 1646-1688. 1688 (1688) Wing C4399; ESTC R27257 28,726 51

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have_v a_o question_n to_o offer_v you_o which_o will_v go_v near_o to_o spoil_v your_o query_n and_o this_o it_o be_v if_o you_o will_v needs_o call_v our_o article_n addition_n to_o the_o common_a article_n of_o the_o christian_a faith_n whether_o it_o be_v not_o somewhat_o worse_o to_o add_v notorious_a and_o dangerous_a error_n to_o the_o creed_n than_o to_o add_v plain_a and_o profitable_a and_o as_o the_o case_n may_v be_v necessary_a truth_n to_o it_o sect._n 18_o quer._n whether_o the_o reform_a religion_n may_v not_o be_v divide_v and_o subdivide_v into_o endless_a reformation_n answ_n the_o turk_n have_v take_v much_o notice_n of_o the_o division_n of_o christian_n do_v you_o therefore_o go_v and_o answer_v a_o turk_n put_v this_o query_n whether_o the_o christian_a religion_n may_v not_o be_v divide_v and_o subdivide_v into_o endless_a religion_n and_o then_o i_o will_v answer_v this_o wise_a query_n of_o you_o if_o you_o be_v not_o from_o that_o time_n able_a to_o answer_v it_o yourself_o but_o if_o you_o shall_v have_v but_o little_o concern_v for_o christianity_n yet_o sure_o you_o have_v a_o great_a deal_n for_o popery_n therefore_o i_o expect_v your_o answer_n to_o this_o other_o query_n whether_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n may_v not_o be_v divide_v and_o subdivide_v into_o endless_a exposition_n and_o representation_n tell_v i_o this_o and_o i_o also_o will_v tell_v you_o whether_o the_o reform_a religion_n etc._n etc._n sect._n 19_o quer._n whether_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o eucharist_n the_o argument_n draw_v from_o our_o sense_n be_v not_o fallible_a the_o reason_n of_o this_o question_n be_v because_o the_o serpent_n deceive_v our_o first_o parent_n by_o persuade_v they_o to_o believe_v their_o own_o eye_n rather_o than_o the_o word_n of_o god._n as_o that_o they_o shall_v eat_v of_o the_o tree_n of_o knowledge_n because_o it_o be_v fair_a to_o the_o eye_n now_o if_o mankind_n shall_v be_v so_o deceive_v by_o their_o sight_n pray_v whence_o shall_v their_o other_o sense_n deserve_v more_o credit_n answ_n and_o be_v not_o the_o fruit_n of_o that_o tree_n fair_a to_o the_o eye_n how_o then_o do_v their_o sight_n deceive_v our_o first_o parent_n will_v any_o one_o that_o have_v but_o read_v gen._n 3.4_o 5._o say_v that_o the_o serpent_n deceive_v our_o first_o parent_n by_o persuade_v they_o to_o believe_v their_o own_o eye_n be_v so_o just_a to_o yourself_o as_o to_o believe_v your_o own_o for_o once_o and_o read_v the_o word_n and_o the_o serpent_n say_v unto_o the_o woman_n you_o shall_v not_o sure_o die_v for_o god_n do_v know_v that_o in_o the_o day_n that_o you_o eat_v thereof_o than_o your_o eye_n shall_v be_v open_v and_o you_o shall_v be_v as_o god_n know_v good_a and_o evil._n now_o i_o take_v this_o to_o be_v a_o persuade_v they_o to_o believe_v something_o which_o they_o do_v not_o see_v and_o not_o as_o you_o say_v to_o believe_v their_o own_o eye_n and_o their_o credulity_n as_o to_o this_o unseen_a effect_n be_v that_o which_o prevail_v with_o they_o to_o their_o ruin_n remember_v therefore_o if_o you_o please_v that_o our_o first_o parent_n be_v deceive_v by_o give_v a_o easy_a assent_n to_o a_o confident_a boaster_n and_o bold_a promiser_n of_o supernatural_a effect_n and_o from_o expect_v more_o from_o such_o assurance_n than_o what_o they_o can_v have_v be_v lead_v to_o by_o the_o most_o full_a information_n of_o their_o sense_n remember_v this_o i_o say_v and_o then_o apply_v it_o to_o the_o eucharist_n as_o you_o shall_v see_v convenient_a read_v the_o text_n again_o and_o then_o tell_v i_o why_o you_o say_v that_o the_o serpent_n deceive_v they_o by_o persuade_v they_o to_o believe_v their_o own_o eye_n rather_o than_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o why_o you_o give_v this_o instance_n of_o it_o as_o if_o it_o be_v his_o argument_n that_o they_o shall_v eat_v of_o the_o tree_n of_o knowledge_n because_o it_o be_v fair_a to_o the_o eye_n the_o truth_n be_v the_o serpent_n set_v up_o his_o own_o glorious_a promise_n against_o the_o threaten_n of_o the_o almighty_a and_o in_o this_o we_o know_v he_o have_v be_v well_o imitate_v and_o if_o he_o have_v not_o wrought_v more_o upon_o they_o by_o their_o hope_n and_o credulity_n than_o by_o evidence_n of_o sense_n for_o though_o they_o see_v that_o the_o fruit_n be_v pleasant_a to_o the_o eye_n we_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o think_v they_o will_v have_v taste_v it_o have_v they_o not_o be_v delude_v with_o the_o expectation_n of_o be_v as_o god_n his_o attempt_n of_o deceive_a may_v have_v be_v as_o vain_a as_o you_o be_v in_o this_o query_n quer._n whether_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v not_o changeable_a according_a to_o the_o various_a inclination_n of_o english_a parliament_n sect._n 20_o answ_n changeable_n as_o how_o i_o pray_v for_o this_o one_o word_n changeable_a split_v the_o query_n into_o i_o know_v not_o how_o many_o query_n unless_o you_o have_v tell_v we_o as_o to_o what_o the_o church_n of_o england_n may_v or_o may_v not_o be_v change_v according_a to_o the_o will_n of_o english_a parliament_n for_o instance_n the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v at_o present_a the_o church_n establish_v by_o law_n and_o if_o you_o ask_v whether_o the_o church_n of_o england_n with_o respect_n to_o legal_a establishment_n be_v not_o changeable_a according_a to_o the_o various_a inclination_n of_o english_a parliament_n include_v as_o i_o hope_v you_o do_v the_o pleasure_n of_o the_o sovereign_n then_o without_o all_o doubt_n english_a parliament_n may_v change_v the_o church_n of_o england_n but_o we_o hope_v they_o will_v not_o do_v it_o but_o if_o by_o change_a the_o church_n of_o england_n you_o mean_v that_o parliament_n can_v make_v the_o religion_n profess_v by_o the_o church_n of_o england_n to_o become_v a_o false_a religion_n when_o their_o inclination_n be_v once_o vary_v from_o we_o than_o i_o tell_v you_o that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v not_o changeable_a by_o english_a parliament_n nor_o by_o all_o the_o power_n upon_o earth_n for_o this_o matter_n be_v fix_v to_o their_o hand_n and_o can_v never_o be_v unfixed_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world._n and_o i_o do_v willing_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o religion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v in_o this_o respect_n every_o whit_n as_o unchangeable_a as_o we_o that_o be_v to_o say_v that_o part_n of_o it_o which_o contradict_v we_o be_v false_a to_o day_n and_o all_o the_o parliament_n in_o the_o world_n can_v make_v it_o true_o to_o morrow_n if_o this_o answer_n shall_v offend_v you_o i_o pray_v do_v not_o blame_v i_o but_o thank_v yourself_o for_o put_v the_o query_n which_o no_o doubt_n please_v you_o very_o much_o but_o the_o answer_n let_v i_o tell_v you_o be_v a_o good_a one_o we_o of_o this_o church_n depend_v upon_o king_n and_o parliament_n for_o the_o legal_a establishment_n of_o our_o religion_n but_o not_o for_o the_o truth_n of_o it_o the_o former_a therefore_o be_v changeable_n because_o man_n be_v so_o but_o the_o latter_a be_v not_o so_o because_o god_n change_v not_o thus_o we_o render_v unto_o caesar_n the_o thing_n that_o be_v caesar_n and_o unto_o god_n the_o thing_n that_o be_v gods._n and_o it_o be_v well_o if_o you_o will_v do_v so_o too_o sect._n 21_o quer._n whether_o the_o spirit_n of_o calvin_n deny_v and_o that_o of_o luther_n affirm_v a_o corporal_a presence_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n be_v the_o same_o spirit_n if_o not_o than_o both_o can_v be_v of_o god._n answ_n this_o again_o be_v so_o ambiguous_a and_o deceitful_a that_o one_o will_v think_v you_o have_v learn_v to_o frame_v your_o query_n after_o the_o pattern_n of_o the_o famous_a apollo_n answer_n here_o therefore_o i_o must_v fall_v to_o distinguish_v as_o fast_o as_o i_o can_v and_o answer_v as_o wary_o as_o if_o some_o great_a matter_n depend_v upon_o it_o in_o the_o first_o place_n then_o i_o well_o remember_v that_o this_o word_n spirit_n sometime_o signify_v doctrine_n and_o if_o the_o meaning_n of_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o calvin_n doctrine_n against_o and_o luther_n for_o a_o corporal_a presence_n be_v the_o same_o i_o answer_v positive_o and_o resolute_o that_o they_o be_v not_o the_o same_o and_o final_o i_o grant_v that_o those_o two_o contrary_a doctrine_n can_v both_o be_v of_o god._n second_o by_o this_o word_n spirit_n we_o do_v sometime_o understand_v the_o disposition_n and_o temper_n of_o a_o man_n mind_n and_o than_o if_o the_o meaning_n of_o the_o query_n be_v whether_o calvin_n and_o luther_n one_o of_o who_o deny_v and_o the_o other_o maintain_v a_o corporal_a presence_n of_o christ_n etc._n etc._n whether_o i_o say_v both_o these_o man_n be_v for_o all_o this_o endue_v with_o the_o same_o quality_n that_o make_v up_o
a_o great_a deal_n of_o good_a but_o will_v be_v sure_a to_o do_v no_o hurt_v at_o all_o either_o to_o the_o church_n or_o to_o the_o world._n sect._n 34_o quer._n why_o do_v so_o many_o noble_a man_n under_o edward_n vi_o and_o queen_n elizabeth_n so_o ready_o embrace_v the_o reformation_n be_v it_o for_o conscience_n sake_n or_o the_o lucre_n church-land_n answ_n the_o nobleman_n under_o those_o prince_n be_v general_o for_o wisdom_n fortitude_n and_o manner_n a_o glory_n to_o their_o age_n and_o nation_n but_o now_o they_o be_v dead_a and_o go_v and_o it_o will_v be_v time_n enough_o to_o know_v the_o secret_a into_o which_o you_o be_v inquisitive_a when_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n come_v and_o till_o than_o i_o can_v be_v content_o ignorant_a whether_o it_o be_v for_o conscience_n sake_n or_o the_o lucre_n of_o church-land_n that_o you_o write_v these_o query_n sect._n 35_o quer._n why_o do_v englishmen_n so_o desirous_a of_o novelty_n hate_v popery_n perhaps_o because_o popery_n be_v no_o novelty_n answ_n if_o you_o be_v a_o englisman_n methinks_v it_o be_v no_o good_a sign_n of_o the_o religion_n you_o be_v of_o that_o it_o have_v inspire_v you_o with_o the_o scorn_n and_o hatred_n of_o your_o own_o countryman_n to_o that_o degree_n as_o to_o spend_v a_o reproach_n upon_o they_o which_o all_o the_o world_n see_v there_o be_v not_o the_o least_o appearance_n of_o cause_n for_o friend_n you_o take_v no_o little_a care_n to_o hedge_v in_o this_o abuse_n when_o you_o be_v fain_o to_o turn_v answerer_n to_o your_o own_o query_n to_o compass_v it_o to_o your_o mind_n but_o as_o your_o anger_n have_v be_v less_o so_o your_o wit_n have_v be_v more_o to_o have_v let_v alone_o both_o question_n and_o answer_n for_o there_o be_v that_o in_o they_o to_o clear_v we_o from_o your_o reproach_n you_o say_v we_o hate_v popery_n because_o it_o be_v no_o novelty_n and_o yet_o neither_o we_o nor_o our_o father_n nor_o our_o grandfather_n have_v profess_v or_o practise_v popery_n and_o therefore_o in_o spite_n of_o your_o heart_n popery_n must_v be_v a_o novelty_n to_o we_o who_o consequent_o if_o we_o may_v be_v judge_v of_o by_o this_o instance_n be_v not_o so_o desirous_a of_o novelty_n but_o if_o you_o have_v give_v we_o leave_n to_o answer_v your_o question_n why_o we_o be_v not_o in_o love_n with_o popery_n i_o shall_v have_v answer_v to_o this_o purpose_n that_o it_o be_v not_o so_o far_o a_o novelty_n neither_o but_o though_o we_o be_v stranger_n to_o the_o profession_n of_o it_o yet_o we_o have_v so_o true_a a_o idea_n of_o the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o your_o church_n that_o yourselves_o be_v not_o able_a to_o deceive_v we_o into_o another_o sect._n 36_o quer._n the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v either_o fallible_a or_o infallible_a it_o fallible_a as_o be_v confess_v by_o all_o then_o be_v she_o not_o sound_v upon_o a_o rock_n because_o she_o may_v deceive_v and_o be_v deceive_v answ_n after_o all_o the_o exquisite_a discourse_n that_o have_v be_v publish_v upon_o this_o subject_a it_o be_v what_o shall_v i_o call_v it_o to_o think_v that_o such_o a_o pitiful_a argument_n as_o this_o be_v worth_a a_o thought_n try_v if_o you_o please_v this_o knotty_a piece_n of_o work_n upon_o your_o own_o dear_a self_n for_o no_o other_o answer_v you_o shall_v have_v from_o i_o you_o sir_n be_v either_o fallible_a or_o infallible_a if_o fallible_a as_o i_o humble_o conceive_v you_o be_v than_o you_o be_v not_o found_v upon_o a_o rock_n because_o you_o may_v deceive_v and_o be_v deceive_v but_o this_o argument_n thus_o turn_v upon_o yourself_o be_v now_o i_o look_v upon_o it_o again_o a_o monstrous_a dull_a one_o i_o confess_v and_o that_o for_o prove_v you_o not_o to_o be_v build_v upon_o a_o rock_n because_o you_o may_v be_v deceive_v when_o it_o be_v so_o notorious_a that_o thou_o be_v all_o over_o actual_o deceive_v as_o thy_o lamentable_a papet_n show_v thou_o to_o be_v there_o be_v indeed_o a_o little_a life_n in_o that_o other_o part_n of_o the_o argument_n that_o you_o may_v deceive_v for_o perhaps_o that_o be_v not_o very_o much_o more_o than_o possible_a so_o that_o i_o think_v this_o little_a pain_n i_o have_v take_v may_v have_v be_v spare_v for_o i_o dare_v say_v there_o be_v very_o few_o who_o you_o and_o your_o query_n will_v be_v able_a to_o deceive_v sect._n 37_o quer._n whether_o cardinal_n wolsey_n do_v wise_o by_o demolish_n monastery_n to_o find_a college_n the_o reason_n of_o this_o doubt_n be_v because_o the_o tree_n of_o knowledge_n be_v not_o the_o tree_n of_o life_n answ_n so_o so_o monastery_n be_v the_o tree_n of_o life_n and_o college_n be_v the_o tree_n of_o knowledge_n very_o neat_a and_o witty_a i_o promise_v you_o hence_o forward_o we_o shall_v not_o want_v a_o text_n to_o prove_v that_o ignorance_n be_v the_o mother_n of_o devotion_n if_o erasmus_n have_v not_o happen_v upon_o something_o like_o this_o in_o his_o emcomium_fw-la moriae_fw-la by_o my_o consent_n it_o shall_v have_v be_v write_v upon_o your_o tombstone_n here_o lie_v the_o author_n of_o this_o query_n whether_o cardinal_n wolsey_n etc._n etc._n but_o what_o have_v we_o to_o do_v with_o cardinal_n wolsey_n or_o rather_o what_o have_v you_o to_o do_v to_o say_v any_o thing_n against_o he_o be_v it_o a_o small_a matter_n for_o you_o to_o trample_v upon_o the_o ash_n of_o cranmer_n that_o nothing_o will_v now_o serve_v you_o but_o to_o pirk_v over_o wolsey_n too_o i_o have_v take_v your_o size_n sir_n and_o must_v needs_o put_v you_o in_o mind_n that_o in_o you_o it_o be_v want_n of_o manner_n almost_o to_o talk_v of_o archbishop_n and_o cardinal_n when_o you_o but_o think_v of_o such_o great_a man_n as_o wolsey_n and_o cranmer_n the_o one_o a_o cardinal_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n the_o other_o a_o archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n man_n indeed_o of_o different_a religion_n but_o both_o of_o extraordinary_a ability_n as_o well_o as_o high_a station_n i_o say_v when_o you_o but_o hear_v they_o or_o such_o as_o they_o mention_v you_o shall_v present_o reflect_v upon_o your_o own_o little_a self_n and_o not_o dare_v to_o open_v your_o mouth_n till_o person_n of_o much_o mean_a rank_n come_v into_o discourse_n sect._n 39_o quer._n be_v there_o not_o want_v in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n a_o more_o correct_a translation_n of_o the_o bible_n answ_n i_o warrant_v you_o expect_v that_o i_o shall_v say_v i_o or_o no_o to_o this_o query_n present_o but_o in_o such_o a_o case_n a_o wise_a and_o honest_a man_n must_v have_v the_o put_n of_o the_o question_n in_o few_o word_n i_o do_v by_o no_o mean_n deny_v that_o the_o english_a translation_n can_v be_v more_o correct_a than_o it_o be_v after_o the_o exact_a care_n it_o be_v likely_a there_o will_v be_v some_o defect_n in_o so_o great_a a_o work._n but_o this_o we_o say_v that_o we_o need_v not_o a_o better_a translation_n than_o it_o be_v and_o in_o particular_a that_o for_o the_o skill_n and_o fidelity_n that_o be_v show_v in_o it_o we_o will_v compare_v at_o any_o time_n with_o the_o vulgar_a latin._n and_o therefore_o whereas_o you_o add_v sect._n 39_o quer._n that_o many_o material_a error_n be_v find_v in_o our_o present_a english_a bible_n tend_v to_o schism_n and_o liberty_n of_o the_o flesh_n answ_n i_o answer_v that_o you_o be_v very_o much_o mistake_v to_o say_v so_o which_o i_o will_v first_o show_v against_o your_o instance_n and_o then_o leave_v the_o reader_n to_o say_v what_o other_o name_n your_o importunity_n in_o this_o place_n deserve_v the_o first_o instance_n you_o refer_v to_o be_v gal._n 5.17_o for_o the_o flesh_n lu_v against_o the_o spirit_n and_o the_o spirit_n against_o the_o flesh_n and_o these_o be_v contrary_a one_o to_o the_o other_o so_o that_o you_o can_v do_v the_o thing_n that_o you_o will_v now_o i_o suppose_v the_o material_a error_n in_o this_o translation_n lie_v in_o these_o word_n so_o that_o you_o can_v do_v which_o you_o will_v say_v aught_o to_o have_v be_v so_o that_o you_o do_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o the_o word_n word_n will_v bear_v both_o version_n though_o i_o confess_v the_o latter_a seem_v to_o i_o to_o be_v more_o grammatical_a the_o reason_n i_o conceive_v why_o our_o translator_n choose_v the_o former_a be_v that_o the_o follow_a verse_n seem_v to_o imply_v that_o in_o this_o verse_n the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o those_o that_o be_v lead_v by_o the_o flesh_n who_o in_o that_o state_n can_v do_v the_o thing_n which_o their_o conscience_n prompt_v they_o to_o now_o this_o i_o say_v be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v a_o material_a error_n tend_v to_o liberty_n of_o the_o flesh_n that_o it_o be_v no_o error_n at_o all_o
the_o character_n of_o a_o good_a man_n whether_o they_o have_v the_o same_o spirit_n of_o sincerity_n and_o piety_n and_o charity_n and_o the_o like_a then_o according_a to_o this_o notion_n i_o answer_v that_o i_o very_o believe_v they_o bid_v both_o the_o same_o spirit_n notwithstanding_o that_o difference_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o one_o as_o well_o as_o of_o the_o other_o be_v of_o god._n three_o and_o last_o this_o word_n spirit_n be_v sometime_o use_v to_o signify_v a_o persuasion_n concern_v some_o doctrine_n proceed_v from_o the_o immediate_a inspiration_n whether_o of_o the_o good_a or_o the_o evil_a spirit_n and_o if_o the_o question_n go_v upon_o this_o meaning_n it_o be_v a_o impertinent_a question_n for_o luther_n and_o calvin_n do_v not_o pretend_v to_o teach_v doctrine_n from_o immediate_a imspiration_n but_o to_o prove_v their_o doctrine_n by_o the_o scripture_n but_o if_o you_o only_o mean_v to_o make_v some_o advantage_n to_o yourself_o from_o these_o two_o man_n disagree_v in_o a_o matter_n which_o we_o must_v confess_v to_o be_v of_o moment_n i_o only_o desire_v you_o to_o turn_v the_o table_n and_o to_o answer_v these_o query_n whether_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o jesuit_n who_o say_v that_o the_o pope_n be_v above_o a_o general_n council_n and_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o sorbon_n utter_o deny_v it_o be_v the_o same_o spirit_n whether_o the_o spirit_n of_o thomas_n aquinas_n affirm_v that_o the_o same_o honour_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o image_n that_o be_v due_a to_o the_o person_n represent_v by_o it_o or_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o meaux_n deny_v it_o be_v the_o same_o spirit_n and_o not_o to_o be_v tedious_a whether_o the_o spirit_n of_o innocent_a iii_o and_o his_o lateran_n council_n and_o of_o i_o know_v not_o how_o many_o more_o pope_n and_o of_o cardinal_n perron_n and_o many_o more_o cardinal_n affirm_v that_o heretical_a king_n may_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v depose_v and_o the_o spirit_n of_o our_o english_a representer_n and_o those_o for_o who_o he_o undertake_v who_o all_o deny_v it_o be_v the_o same_o spirit_n if_o not_o than_o both_o can_v be_v of_o god._n sect._n 22_o quer._n be_v not_o john_n calvin_n a_o most_o impudent_a creature_n in_o assume_v to_o himself_o the_o office_n of_o reform_v the_o world_n be_v but_o a_o young_a man_n of_o twenty_o five_o or_o twenty_o six_o year_n of_o age_n and_o without_o all_o pretence_n of_o miracle_n a_o thing_n which_o christ_n himself_o undertake_v not_o under_o thirty_o year_n of_o age_n answ_n i_o think_v indeed_o geneva_n may_v pass_v for_o the_o world_n by_o the_o same_o figure_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n go_v for_o the_o catholic_n church_n when_o the_o world_n groan_v for_o a_o reformation_n i_o do_v not_o see_v where_o lie_v the_o impudence_n of_o try_v by_o good_a doctrine_n and_o example_n to_o reform_v that_o part_n of_o it_o where_o one_o life_n unless_o it_o lie_v in_o be_v impudent_o and_o brave_o good_a which_o be_v sometime_o necessary_a to_o give_v a_o check_n to_o impudence_n in_o that_o which_o be_v bad._n if_o he_o be_v a_o young_a man_n that_o take_v this_o upon_o himself_o he_o be_v the_o more_o to_o be_v commend_v and_o if_o he_o can_v fair_o carry_v the_o reformation_n beyond_o his_o own_o country_n this_o be_v still_o more_o commendable_a and_o if_o he_o can_v reform_v the_o whole_a world_n than_o i_o say_v for_o that_o which_o you_o call_v impudence_n generation_n to_o come_v aught_o to_o rise_v up_o to_o his_o name_n and_o call_v it_o bless_v you_o ought_v not_o i_o tell_v you_o to_o despise_v john_n calvin_n youth_n as_o one_o of_o your_o great_a one_o do_v luther_n meanness_n who_o hear_v the_o auspurg_n confession_n read_v say_v to_o his_o confident_a that_o these_o thing_n indeed_o be_v true_a but_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v endure_v that_o a_o pitiful_a monk_n shall_v reform_v the_o world._n but_o if_o nothing_o else_o will_v satisfy_v you_o but_o it_o must_v be_v impudence_n in_o a_o young_a man_n to_o think_v of_o reform_v the_o place_n where_o he_o live_v yet_o at_o least_o do_v not_o represent_v he_o as_o a_o most_o impudent_a creature_n for_o as_o i_o take_v it_o there_o be_v a_o long_a row_n of_o pope_n from_o formosus_fw-la downward_o who_o if_o your_o own_o historian_n be_v to_o be_v credit_v shall_v compare_v with_o john_n calvin_n in_o this_o point_n not_o of_o reform_v the_o world_n but_o the_o other_o and_o shall_v get_v the_o better_a of_o he_o by_o much_o and_o among_o these_o there_o be_v one_o john_n xi_o son_n to_o sergius_n iii_o one_o of_o his_o predecessor_n who_o be_v something_o less_o modest_a than_o john_n calvin_n in_o as_o much_o as_o be_v yet_o but_o a_o boy_n he_o take_v upon_o himself_o to_o be_v head_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n which_o our_o john_n i_o dare_v say_v will_v never_o have_v accept_v any_o time_n of_o his_o life_n indeed_o the_o young_a pope_n be_v thus_o far_o to_o be_v excuse_v that_o he_o be_v put_v into_o the_o chair_n by_o merocia_n who_o though_o she_o be_v not_o sergius_n wife_n be_v yet_o john_n mother_n for_o donna_n olympia_n be_v not_o the_o first_o of_o her_o quality_n that_o sway_v all_o at_o rome_n sect._n 23_o quer._n whether_o from_o the_o womb_n of_o the_o reformation_n have_v not_o issue_v all_o those_o slaughter_v rapine_n tumult_n plunder_v of_o church_n schism_n and_o civil_a war_n which_o break_v out_o in_o the_o year_n 1641._o answ_n no_o true_o for_o since_o the_o reformation_n the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v lend_v neither_o principle_n nor_o example_n nor_o counsel_n nor_o arm_n nor_o man_n nor_o money_n to_o carry_v on_o rebellion_n or_o rapine_n the_o world_n see_v that_o she_o stick_v by_o her_o royal_a master_n to_o to_o the_o last_o and_o if_o you_o say_v that_o it_o be_v her_o interest_n to_o do_v so_o then_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v grant_v that_o she_o have_v at_o other_o time_n give_v proof_n of_o a_o high_a principle_n nor_o can_v you_o without_o rub_v your_o forehead_n question_v the_o strictness_n of_o her_o loyalty_n who_o begin_v some_o of_o you_o to_o laugh_v at_o she_o for_o it_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o say_v that_o the_o irish_a rebellion_n which_o break_v the_o ice_n for_o all_o those_o slaughter_v rapine_n etc._n etc._n which_o you_o mention_v to_o come_v after_o it_o that_o that_o issue_v too_o from_o the_o womb_n of_o the_o reformation_n i_o think_v this_o query_n have_v better_a rest_n lest_o when_o the_o mother_n of_o that_o offspring_n be_v agree_v upon_o we_o shall_v be_v tempt_v to_o inquire_v who_o be_v the_o father_n of_o it_o sect._n 24_o quer._n whether_o africa_n produce_v more_o variety_n of_o monster_n than_o britain_n do_v fanatic_n where_o every_o man_n may_v read_v and_o interpret_v the_o scripture_n according_a to_o his_o own_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n answ_n i_o know_v pretty_a well_o what_o fanatic_n britain_n have_v produce_v but_o what_o variety_n of_o monster_n africa_n produce_v i_o can_v well_o say_v the_o sure_a way_n to_o be_v satisfy_v be_v to_o go_v thither_o yourself_o for_o author_n be_v not_o agree_v but_o if_o by_o fanatic_n you_o mean_v false_a pretender_n to_o inspiration_n you_o may_v take_v your_o comparison_n near_a home_n where_o it_o be_v as_o much_o as_o a_o man_n or_o woman_n life_n be_v worth_a to_o have_v the_o scripture_n to_o read_v in_o short_a britain_n have_v fanatic_n but_o the_o british_a church_n do_v what_o she_o can_v to_o reclaim_v they_o which_o she_o think_v aught_o nor_o to_o be_v try_v by_o set_v up_o a_o inquisition_n for_o some_o of_o they_o and_o can_v be_v do_v by_o make_v saint_n of_o other_o of_o of_o they_o you_o understand_v i_o suppose_v and_o therefore_o go_v on_o sect._n 25_o quer._n whether_o queen_n elizabeth_n bear_v of_o ann_n bolen_n queen_n catharine_n yet_o live_v can_v be_v think_v legitimate_a answ_n without_o all_o question_n she_o can_v be_v think_v legitimate_a for_o i_o find_v that_o i_o think_v so_o and_o i_o know_v many_o who_o say_v so_o that_o do_v not_o use_v to_o say_v one_o thing_n and_o think_v another_o sect._n 26_o quer._n how_o admirable_a be_v the_o wisdom_n of_o henry_n the_o eight_o by_o expel_v one_o pope_n of_o rome_n to_o raise_v up_o infinite_a pope_n of_o his_o own_o subject_n answ_n not_o very_o admirable_a i_o confess_v if_o it_o be_v so_o for_o we_o have_v even_o too_o much_o of_o one_o pope_n of_o rome_n before_o as_o the_o complaint_n and_o the_o law_n of_o our_o ancestor_n can_v well_o witness_v but_o how_o do_v he_o raise_v up_o infinite_a pope_n of_o his_o own_o subject_n be_v there_o so_o many_o head_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n raise_v by_o he_o in_o his_o own_o dominion_n or_o do_v every_o
body_n think_v himself_o infallible_a when_o once_o they_o depend_v upon_o his_o holiness_n no_o long_o when_o you_o design_v a_o witty_a query_n take_v care_n whilst_o you_o live_v that_o there_o be_v some_o sense_n and_o a_o little_a truth_n at_o the_o bottom_n and_o in_o one_o word_n that_o it_o be_v not_o like_o this_o which_o be_v a_o mere_a bubble_n and_o turn_v to_o nothing_o sect._n 27_o quer._n by_o who_o authority_n do_v he_o divorce_v his_o virtuous_a wife_n queen_n catharine_n his_o own_o or_o a_o foreign_a if_o by_o his_o own_o why_o may_v not_o other_o king_n also_o put_v away_o their_o wife_n at_o their_o pleasure_n if_o mary_n his_o daughter_n by_o queen_n catharine_n be_v legimate_a heiress_n of_o the_o kingdom_n than_o elizabeth_n be_v not_o because_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o king_n henry_n to_o have_v two_o wife_n at_o once_o answ_n i_o doubt_v not_o but_o queen_n catharine_n be_v a_o virtuous_a wife_n but_o under_o favour_n since_o you_o will_v needs_o be_v 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legitimacy_n of_o elizabeth_n be_v plain_a suppose_v the_o marriage_n of_o queen_n catharine_n to_o king_n henry_n to_o be_v void_a but_o yet_o mary_n the_o child_n of_o that_o marriage_n be_v not_o illegitimate_a because_o the_o marriage_n be_v make_v without_o fraud_n but_o if_o one_o or_o other_o of_o they_o must_v necessary_o be_v illegitimate_a pray_v look_v you_o to_o the_o consequence_n who_o i_o suppose_v apprehend_v some_o great_a matter_n to_o depend_v upon_o this_o dispute_n for_o my_o own_o part_n these_o kind_n of_o query_n seem_v to_o be_v very_o impertinent_a for_o if_o queen_n mary_n be_v illegitimate_a our_o religion_n be_v not_o one_o jot_n the_o true_a for_o it_o and_o if_o she_o be_v legitimate_a neither_o be_v it_o the_o worse_o but_o there_o be_v a_o time_n to_o answer_v question_n that_o be_v none_o of_o the_o wise_a sect._n 28_o quer._n if_o that_o religion_n be_v sacred_a that_o be_v establish_v by_o law_n why_o do_v queen_n elizabeth_n destroy_v the_o catholic_n religion_n establish_v by_o so_o many_o act_n of_o parliament_n answ_n it_o seem_v then_o that_o what_o you_o call_v the_o catholic_n religion_n may_v be_v destroy_v and_o yet_o these_o query_n be_v publish_v with_o allowance_n your_o superior_n sure_o can_v instruct_v you_o that_o to_o destroy_v the_o legal_a establishment_n of_o a_o religion_n be_v one_o thing_n and_o to_o destroy_v the_o religion_n be_v another_o but_o they_o see_v that_o if_o you_o have_v express_v the_o former_a the_o query_n have_v look_v so_o ridiculous_o that_o it_o have_v be_v a_o shame_n to_o let_v it_o go_v for_o all_o the_o sacredness_n that_o human_a law_n can_v give_v to_o a_o religion_n be_v a_o legal_a sacredness_n and_o no_o more_o or_o if_o you_o please_v a_o legal_a establishment_n and_o so_o this_o be_v the_o english_a of_o your_o quaere_fw-la if_o that_o religion_n have_v a_o legal_a establishment_n that_o be_v establish_v by_o law_n why_o do_v the_o queen_n destroy_v the_o legal_a establishment_n of_o the_o catholic_n religion_n which_o be_v of_o estalibsh_v by_o so_o many_o law_n in_o my_o opinion_n it_o have_v be_v much_o better_a to_o query_n thus_o like_o a_o plain_a man_n if_o the_o catholic_n religion_n be_v establish_v by_o so_o many_o law_n why_o do_v queen_n elizabeth_n unestablish_v it_o by_o law_n again_o and_o now_o have_v bring_v your_o query_n to_o this_o form_n i_o answer_v that_o you_o be_v not_o the_o catholic_n religion_n and_o it_o be_v pity_n that_o it_o shall_v have_v that_o sacredness_n which_o the_o law_n give_v it_o because_o it_o have_v no_o sacredness_n of_o its_o own_o to_o deserve_v it_o and_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o very_a good_a law_n that_o take_v away_o the_o other_o sacredness_n from_o it_o if_o you_o think_v this_o answer_v not_o to_o be_v full_a enough_o you_o may_v pick_v out_o somerh_v more_o in_o answ_n to_o sect._n 20._o whither_o i_o refer_v you_o sect._n 29_o quer._n queen_n elizabeth_n expel_v fourteen_o catholic_n bishop_n from_o their_o see_v for_o refuse_v the_o oath_n of_o supremacy_n but_o how_o can_v they_o swear_v she_o to_o be_v head_n or_o supreme_a governor_n of_o the_o church_n when_o they_o can_v not_o swear_v she_o be_v head_n of_o this_o kingdom_n answ_n i_o think_v true_o fourteen_o bishop_n be_v deprive_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o queen_n elizabeth_n reign_n and_o that_o for_o not_o take_v the_o oath_n of_o supremacy_n but_o take_v this_o along_o with_o you_o too_o that_o most_o of_o these_o bishop_n if_o not_o all_o have_v take_v the_o very_a same_o oath_n before_o and_o some_o of_o they_o assist_v at_o the_o frame_n of_o it_o so_o that_o one_o will_v think_v that_o their_o refuse_v to_o take_v the_o same_o oath_n under_o elizabeth_n be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o deny_v she_o to_o be_v head_n of_o the_o kingdom_n as_o you_o say_v which_o all_o modest_a man_n must_v grant_v to_o have_v be_v a_o sufficient_a cause_n for_o their_o deprivation_n but_o yet_o as_o tender_a as_o prince_n 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