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A87723 The unlimited authority of Christs disciples cleared or the present church and ministery vindicated. Or Christs disciples authority for the practice of his commands is unlimitted. Being a brief answer to a book intituled (A sober Word to a serious people.) There the writer saith, Christ gave his commissions not to disciples as disciples, but to apostles. But here is by Scripture proved, that the authority & commissions, given to disciples, (as disciples considered) are of a far larger extent, then the authority of commissions given to apostles. Written by Thomas Kilcop. Killcop, Thomas. 1651 (1651) Wing K441; Thomason E1377_5; ESTC R209289 19,252 48

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The unlimitted Authority OF Christs Disciples cleared OR The present Church and Ministery vindicated Or Christs Disciples Authority for the practice of his Commands is unlimitted BEING A brief answer to a Book intituled A sober Word to a serious People There the Writer saith Christ gave his Commissions not to Disciples as Disciples but to Apostles But here is by Scripture proved that the Authority Commissions given to Disciples as Disciples considered are of a far larger extent then the Authority or Commissions given to Apostles Written by THOMAS KILCOP Bind up the Testimony seale the Law among my Disciples Esa 8.16 O my Dove that art in the Clefts of the Rocks in the secret places of the staires let me see thy countenance let me hear thy voice f●r sweet is thy voice and thy countenance comely LONDON Printed by J. C. 1651. TO THE READER CHristian Reader there came to my hand a Book with no name to it intituled A sober word to a serious people It opposeth all Churches or Ministery that this day be and none as yet hath put forth any answer thereto wherefore I thought my self engaged to spend my mite of opportunity therein In the said Book are multiplicity of words and Scriptures quoted over and over therefore for brevity sake I mind only yet exactly the pith of it and give thereto a brief and punctual Answer even by the word of truth being very brief the Reader should be the mere observant Try all things hold fast that which is good 1 Thes 5.21 Do men contend against truth Oh then contend against such men Do they make void Gods Commands Oh then exalt them it is time for thee Lord to work saith David for they have made void thy Law therefore I love thy Commandements above Gold yea fine Gold therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right and I hate every false way The unlimitted Authority of Christs Disciples cleared The first part CHAP. 1. IN that Book he mindeth what the better sort of Seekers so called can do and what they cannot do they ought saith he p. 2. to read pray and give Almes from Acts 8. 10.1.2 and this for several ends p. 3. but for the present Churches and Ministery they see no ground these being Christ's grand capital and comprehensive institutions to which he gave gifts for comparing these with the word they conform not p. 4. I answer Christ requireth not only reading praying and almes-giving but also Church-meeting and Ministery as forsake not the fellowship that you have among your selves exhort one another daily love brotherly fellowship Heb. 3.13 and 10.25 1 Pet. 2.17 such as gladly received his word were baptized and they continued in the Apostles Doctrine and fellowship Act 2.41 42. Why can you not conform to one as well as to the other since Christ requireth the one as much as the other 1. These saith he are great and capital institutions I answer the more great and weighty the rather to be obeyed they were hypocrites that tythed Mint and Annis and left the weightiest matters of the Law Mat. 23.23 24. 2. To these saith he Christ gave gifts I answer if by gifts he mean the gift of faith love joy c. surely if these be wanting not Church Ministery only but praying reading and almes giving also are alike vain for who can call on him in whom they believe not Rom. 10. and if we give all our Goods to the poor and have not love it profits not 1 Cor. 13.3 and reading if without faith profits not for without faith it is unpossible to please God Heb. 11.5 but it by gifts he mean tongues and Miracles as I judge he doth then I reply that miracles were to confirm the word and not to beget obedience to it in such as before knew it tongues also were not for them that believe but for them that believe not these gifts were not given to make knowers obey but to make non knowers to know Mark 16.20 1 Cor. 14.22 Heb. 2.4 Do you own the Scripture to be Gods word and therefore read it though you saw no miracle to confirm it much more should you obey it though you see no miracle or do you in some things conform to it without seeing miracles you might do so also in other things on the same ground and you cannot disobey it for want of miracles without disowning it on the same account and as well might you for want here of disobey it in every thing as in som thing But the inference of these words to these he gave gifts is that the Church or Ministery that hath them not is not Christs Church or Ministery and then Christ may be obeyed though these be rejected I answer the Scripture saith these tokens shall follow them that believe Mark 16. but it doth not say such tokens shall accompany the Ministery and be in every visible Church therefore you might rather question as some do whether any in the world do believe since these are wanting then for want of these to question the truth of the Church and Ministery which those by you judged believers do enjoy 2. You herein question the truth of the Church and Ministery that have been as much as those that now are for John a Gospel-Minister Mark 1.1 2 3 4. did no Miracle John 10.41 and though the Corinth had all gifts 1 Cor. 1.7 and the Galatians had some yet we read not of any in the Churches of Macedonia or Asia or the Ephesians Bereans Philippians or almost any Church spoken of Obj. God hath set such in the Church 1 Cor. 12.28 29. I answer it is in that place evident that the Church there specified is no particular Church but the Church general called else-where the general Assembly of the first born written in Heaven Heb. 12. of which if we be not Members not only Church and Ministery but our readings prayings and distributions are little worth But if we be of this Church general as all believers be then may we acceptably pray read c. and as acceptably associate preach break bread and what not for if justified by faith we have peace God-ward through our Lord Jesus Christ by him also we have access to this grace wherein we stand Rom. 5.2 Rejoyce not in men for all is ours Paul Apollo things present or to come all is ours and we Christs 1 Cor. 3.21 22 23. 3. These saith he if compared with the word conform not I answer as much as your praying reading or Almes-giving do though we examine only his own quotations The Eunuch and Cornelius who acceptably read prayed and gave Alms had quickly the one a man the other an Angel sent them to estate them into Gospel Church and Ministery which he hath not to this day enjoyed therefore his own practice conformeth not to his own quotation Obj. They are not so unsuitable as to be disowned I answer I say the same of the