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A20986 The principall points of the faith of the Catholike Church Defended against a writing sent to the King by the 4. ministers of Charenton. By the most eminent. Armand Ihon de Plessis Cardinal Duke de Richelieu. Englished by M.C. confessor to the English nuns at Paris.; Principaux poincts de la foi de l'Eglise Catholique. English Richelieu, Armand Jean de plessis, duc de, 1585-1642.; Carre, Thomas, 1599-1674, attributed name. 1635 (1635) STC 7361; ESTC S121027 167,644 376

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that_o the_o religion_n which_o they_o call_v reform_v do_v renewall_n the_o old_a heresy_n pag._n 299_o chap._n xvij_o the_o religion_n pretend_v to_o be_v reform_v do_v banish_v all_o virtue_n pag._n 314_o chap._n xviij_o the_o religion_n pretend_v to_o be_v reform_v lay_n open_v the_o gate_n to_o all_o vice_n pag._n 318_o chap._n nineteeen_o the_o religion_n pretend_v to_o be_v reform_v do_v teach_v that_o nether_a temporal_a nor_o spiritual_a law_n of_o prince_n do_v oblige_v in_o conscience_n pag._n 326_o finis_fw-la
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