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that_o nazianzen_n oft_o call_v constantinople_n caput_fw-la totius_fw-la mundi_fw-la and_o it_o be_v usual_a for_o council_n to_o call_v jerusalem_n mater_fw-la omnium_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la as_o constant._n consil._n 2._o bin._n p._n 529._o aliarum_n omnium_fw-la mater_fw-la and_o antioch_n be_v ordinary_o call_v sedes_fw-la petri_n and_o the_o city_n theopolis_n theodoret_n say_v that_o john_n choose_a bishop_n of_o antioch_n ad_fw-la primatum_fw-la apostolicum_fw-la suffragiis_fw-la delectus_fw-la fuit_fw-la hist._n l._n 3._o c._n 17._o §_o 24._o note_v that_o whereas_o w._n i._o make_v himself_o ignorant_a that_o ever_o any_o council_n be_v call_v without_o the_o pope_n and_o they_o pretend_v that_o his_o vicar_n preside_v in_o they_o almost_o all_o the_o general_a council_n for_o six_o or_o seven_o hundred_o year_n be_v witness_n against_o they_o and_o of_o the_o first_o general_n council_n at_o const._n binnius_n note_n say_v p._n 515._o damasâ—…m_fw-la pontificem_fw-la 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