may not bee communicated with in Religion either by the lawe of God or of this kingedome But the english protestant doctrine is such by their owne writings Therefore not to bee communicated withall in Religion The maior proposition is soe euidently true that it is manifest spirituall treason heresie and Rebellion to God and ciuill Treason in moste highe degree against our kinge by the lawes of this nation to deny yt And the minor proposition is thus proued by these protestants one protestant writeth thus Câ—rtaine demauÌ„ An. 1605. p. 42. Couell exaÌ„ â—ag 12. To establish the commaund of the ciuill magistrate the squar and plumet of subiects conscience is to wrest the scriptures and a Tyranny D. Couell recordeth their opinion thus First fruites tenthes subsedies contributions of ecclesiasticall parsons to the prince are sacriledge and Robbery D. Willet writeth in this maner Princes arâ— not to Willâ—t Antil pa. 151. Assertion An. 1604. Ormer pict purit epist dedic dial 1. bee obeyed in all ecclesiasticall lawes An other writeth thus The temporall prince neuer had any spirituall power in this kingedome M. Ormered setteth downe their doctrine in these words Christian Soueraignes ought not to bee called heads vnder Christ of the particular and visible churches within their dominions princes ought not to meddle with the making of lawes orders and Ceremoâ—ies for the church As the ministers Ormerod supr d. 4. meddle not with makinge of ciuill lawes and lawes for the common wealthe sâ—â— the ciuill Magistrate hath not to ordeyne Ceremonies pertayninge to the churche Noe ciuill Magistrates in Councells dialog 1. or assemblers for church matters can either bee cheife moderator ouer Ruler iudge or determiner To bee breife in this matter D. Morton perceauing that deniall of the princes supreamacie MortoÌ„ coÌ„f of the pop auth par 3 p. 25. p. 26. was proued to bee the doctrine of their Bishop Bilson D. Fulke D. Whitaker D. Sutcliffe D. Couell D. Downame D. Willet M. Hooker M. Bell and others cheife writers amonge them denyeth it not eyther for them or himselfe but referreth the matter to S. Leo Pope of Rome who as hee was one of the moste learned godly fathers that euer were soe hee is knowne and acknowledged by protestants to bee the greatest patrone of the Popes supreamacie that was in that primatiue and learned age and taught as M. Ormerod telleth vs that God did assist direct that See in decrees And yett neither kinge Ormer pict pap pa. 44. nor Pope must bee supreame heade when it pleaseth them But either their Bishops or presbitery M Ormerod thus relateth their opinion Ormerod dial 2. To these three ioinily that is the ministers Senion and deacons is the whole regiment of the church to bee committed And how far this Regiment by them extendeth is before expressed euen to punish and depose princes and M. Ormerod further recompteth in these words Princes must remember to subiect themselues to the churche to Ormerod dial 1. submitt their scepters to throwe downe their Crownes before the churche yea to licke the dust of the feete of the churche And these soe well agreing protestants are or were soe far from swearinge to the supreamacie of a Temporall prince that in Scotland as they themselues wittnesse they caused our Soueraige kinge Iames to sweare to their supreamacie The words of the protestant defendor of the ministers Reasons are these The Kings maiestie hath not Defence of the minist reas pag. 3. Suruey of the Booke of common prayer p. 23 onely subscribed but sworne to the discipline An other protestant writer hath these words is it not generally knowne that his maiestie hath by subscription sworne to mayntayne the discipline in Scotland in these words To the vvhich vvee ioyne ourselues vvillingly in doctrine faith Religion discipline and vse of the holy sacraments as a liuely member of the same promisingâ— and swearinge by the greate name of our Lord that wee shall defend the same accordinge to our vocation and power all the dayes of our life vnder the payne conteyned in the lawe and daunger bothe of bodie and soule in the day of Gods fearefull iudgment And yett his maiestie hath told vs before that these men to obtayne their purpose first gaue supreamacie to the Queene there But their purpose now obtayned the Kinge himselfe by their Relation subscribeth sweareth to their supreamacie as a subiect to them as his Superiors What moste horrible and odious positions about depriuinge deposing killinge and murtheringe of princes not sutinge to their humors in Religion not without horror to bee named are recorded by their brother Whittingham Wittingh pref to Goodni booke deane of durrhame and affirmed to bee approued by the best learned at Geneua Caluine Whittingham Goodman Gilby Couerdale one of their pretended Bishops from whome D. Sutcliffe befor claymeth their ministery Whiteheade english protestants and others and to bee seene in they suruey of holy discipline attributed to their late protestant Archbishop of Canterbury Suruey of of Hol. discipl D. Bancroft which I breefely remember here though befor the time of my syxe limited yeares Because the protestant Authors of the offer of conference speaking in the name of all their protestant profession call those positions the doctrine of the worthiest protestants and thus Offer of CoÌ„fer p. 18. 19 affirme they consent in iudgment with those parsons and churches and together with other churches hold the foresaid positions And Doctor Couell will secure mee in this poynt that I doe Couell exaÌ„ pag 35. 36. not exceede my limitts his wordes bee these That it is lawfull to kill wicked kings waâ— the doctrine of the best and moste learned about Geneua and those partes Neither neede wee to seeke these obedient doctrines at Geneua where they depriued their temporall prince or in Scotland deposinge their lawfull Queene and Princesse England it selfe will yeeld vs too much choice of these doctrines M. Ormerod doth thus relate them what Kinge Prynce or Emperour shall disanull Ormer pict purit epist. ded c. 2. supr d. 3. the discipline hee is to bee reputed Gods enemy and to bee held vnworthie to raigne aboue his people And more plainely of all princes in generall in these words Kinges and princes are naturally enemyes to the libertie of the ghospell and can neuer patiently heare the yeoke of Christ. The sup â— 1. gouernment of the common wealthe must bee framed accordinge to the gouernment of the churche where there must bee equalitie and paritie Whervppon their Bishop Barlowe thus relateth the speach of his maiestie in their publicke Conference The presbytery aswell agreeth vvith a monarchie as God and the deuill lacke and Tom and Conference at Hampt Court p. 79 Will and Dicke vvill Censure the Kinge and all their proceedings at their pleasure in Scotlande he vvas a kinge vvithout state vvithout honour vvithout order vvhere beardelesse boyes
on earth as before by their owne Iudgments against them And his maiestie by himselfe besides that alleadged alloweth the Pope to bee cheefe Bishop and prince of K. admonit pag. 45. 46. Casaub respons ad epi. Card. Perron pa. 69. 70. Bishops as S. Peter vvas prince of Apostles And by Casaubon that all patriarchall apostoliâ—ke and commaundinge Sees in the world now doe ioyne with him against protestants in question now in controuersie The 2. Protestant Demonstration why Catholicks may not communicate with them in Religeous thinges is by their owne doctrine in respect of their soe named ministers vnlawfull false and intruded and not to bee communicated with by their owne writings BVT to proceede and still in matters essentiall because in such things they will bee esteemed to bee at vnitie and agreement I will vse their owne definition of the true church subscribed vnto by them all that are admitted for ministers in their english protestant Religion Articl of Religion art 19. Thus it is The visible church of Christ is a congregation of faithfull men in the vvhich the pure vvord of God is preached and the sacraments bee duely ministred Soe that three things by this their highest decree are essentiall in Religion Feild lib. 2. pa D. Feild calleth them proper essentiall and inseperable True Pastors or ministers The puer vvord preached and sacraments duely ministred If I should onely proue that but one of thes three bee defectiue in their church or not to bee communicated with I haue rendered sufficient reason of refusall to communicate with english protestants in their Religion for in true definitions nothinge must bee wanting or superfluous for the maxime is generall That the definition and thinge defined must bee conuertible But for securitie I will make demonstration by thes protestants themselues that all thes protestants themselues that all thus their proper essentiall and inseperable thâ—ngs are both seperable seperated and wantinde with them And first concerning their Ministery because it is lately confuted condemned at large by their owne writings I will bee breife and I argue in this maner Noe pretended ministers of England that bee made either by imagined power and authoritie from a woman not capable to make ministers or by power authoritie or iurisdiction from the Pope See or church of Rome may bee communicated with by their owne writings and proceedings But all in England supposed for ministers bee in this case by their owne confession Therefore by their owne confession and testimonies not to bee communicated withall in spirituall things I will first proue the second proposition and it is demonstratiuely proued by their generall consent for though they differ by which of those meanes they were made the puritanes iustifying that they haue noe better ordination then Queene Elizabeth a woman could giue them which the teache is non at all the parlameâ—tarie protestants now defending contending to deduce and proue their supposed ministery by the Romane authoritie and iurisdiction yett in this they allagree that their pretended ordination is either from Queene Elizabeth or from the church and Pope of Rome neither possibly can yt bee otherwise for the Catholicke Bishops after the death of Queene Mary beinge depriued by Queene Elizabeth in the first yeare of her raigne as all our protestant historians Foxe Stowe Hollinshed Foxâ— tâ— 2. monum stowe hist an 1. El. Hollinsh ib. Park antiq Brit. in finâ— Mason l. 1. 2. 3. 4. Consecret Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1. Parker Speed Mason and others testifie as alsoe all iurisdiction and power spirituall vnder treasonable offence and penaltie by the highest parlament lawe inuested in Queene Elizabeth they must needs clayme their making from that which then was reiected or from that of Q. Elizabeth then receaued and established for there is as they acknowledge noe other to bee imagined Now to come to the maior proposition and first to that protestant opinion which teacheth their pretended ordination to bee onely by Queene Elizabeth I argue thus Noe communion and vnion spirituall is to bee had with men pretending to bee true ministers but by their owne doctrine and doctors are not such but vsurpers intruders bastardly false and illegittimate But the english pretended ministery is such Therefore not to bee communicated with in such busines The maior proposition is euidently true for vsurped false illegittimate and cannot possibly bee iust right true and lawfull things The minor proposition is alsoe euidently true in their writings assuring not onely that they were made by Queene Elizabeth but that for that reason they are noe true ministers because shee a woman by sexe vncapable of such function could not giue yt vnto others Their reason is à priore and demonstratiue and the same which the Iacob Reas prot Assert Lord Cooke present Lord cheife iustice alloweth for such and is this nemo potest plus iuris in alium transferre quà m ipse habet noe man can transferr or giue more right vnto an other then hoe himselfe hath And herevppon they conclude against this pretended english Ministery in this maner one of them hath these wordes The protestant Bishops are noe approued members of the visible Suruey pa. 5 Iacob reas pag. 9. church of Christ. M. Iacob writeth thus English protestant Bishops are plainely contrary to Gods worde and vtterly vnlawfull A diocesan Bishop is neither a pastor nor one of the people in any proper visible church vvith vâ— M. Oâ—merod relateth their Censure in this order The english protestants Ormer pict puâ—it f. 2 g. 4. Dial. 1. haue neither a right ministery of God nor a rigâ—t gouernment of the church english ministers are noe ministers The english ministâ—ry is vnlavvfull There is noe right ministery in England Rogers in Artiâ— 36. p. 200. 201. noe pastors noe Bishops M. Rogers writeth thus They vvrite that the Bishops of our church haue noe ordinary calling of God and function in the scriptures for to exercise thâ—y are not sent of God inferior Ministers they are not according to Gods vvorde either proued elected or ordeyned Like is the Testimony of M. Mason M. Owen and others too many to bee reciâ—ed Mason pa. 7. 8. Owen pil her Therefore by their iudgmeÌ„t wee may not communicate with theÌ„ in spirituall things neither can this their pretendâ—d ordinatioÌ„ bee lawfull Neither can it bee auailable for the present Frauncis Mas in praf l. 1. 2. c. Feild l. of the chur Sutâ—liff ag Kell pag. 5. Butler in epist written for the miniâ—â—ery protestant soe named Archbishop of Canterbury director to M. Mason now M. Mason D. â—eild D. Sutcliffe D. Butler or any other amonge them now to say they haue receaued true and lawfall ordination from the Pope and church of Rome as they now say and by all meanes contend to proue for to bee made preists or Bishops by the Pope and his proceedings iâ— a thinge essentially different from hauinge
them Further I argue in this maner Whatsoeuer is confidently taught printed and published by men of Religion is to bee allowed and graunted by all that acknowledg themselues to bee wholly of the same Religion with them in all things esseÌ„tiall But the hauing of the pure worde preached though essentiall in Religion is yet denyde by these consenting protestants to bee in their church Therfore they must graunt it is wanting with them The maior proposition is euidently true otherwise they should not agree but dissent in essentiall things The minor is thus proued by these agreing protestants M. Iacob one of their agreing protestants writeteh in these words the protestants flocke Iacob Reas pag. 52. pa. 52. 53. Iacob reas episc dedic pag. 51. of England cannot expect that heauen shall bee opened vnto them And thus further The english pâ—otestant Religion diminisheth the honor and dignitie of Christ impugneth the foundation of sauing faith and is contrary to Gods word And thus againe Christs owne ordinances necessarie to bee enioyed for our soules health are wanting in England tâ—ere is noe ordinary meanes of saluation Iacob exhor pag. 82. pag 79. 8 to bee had in the english protestant Religion euery man vvanteth the heauenly foode and perseruatiue appointed for vs of God the english protestant church vvanteth the ordinary meanes appointed of God for saluation to euery man Their agreing protestant author of the booke named Aduertisement spâ—eking of the errors of their english Aduertisement An. 1604. pag. protestant church writeth thus Millions of millions runne to eternall flames Christianitie is denyed in England by publicke authoritie Their Certaine dem An. 1605. p. 4â— thus well agreing Author of certayne demaunds hath these wordes The protestant Religion of England cannot bee kept vvithout breach of the commaundments Therfore the pure word of God is not preached with them their church not true their Religion false noe saluation to bee hoped with them therefore noe communion in Religion to bee yeelded vnto them And this is sufficiently graunted by the protestant Bishops themselues in their publicke Conference at Hampton Court where their behauiour and confession was this as the protestant Author of the first copie ioyned to that of their Bishop Barlowes setteth downe in thes words Canterbury London Winchester fell dovvne on their knees and desired that all things might remayne Conference at HamptoÌ„ copie 1. annexed to B. Barlovves printed by IhoÌ„windet Copie 2 sup least the papists should thinke vvee haue beene in error And this is confirmed by a seconde protestant writer and Copie of that conference in this maner Bishops of Canterburye London and Winchester makinge earnest suite that all things might stand as they did leaste the papists should take offence vvhoe might say vvee vvould persvvadâ— them to come to a church hauing errors in yt Like is the testimonie of a third Copie 3. protestant Copie followinge in the same place And D. Morton concludeth this matter with this generall protestant Maxime and grounde in their doctrine It is a generall Maxime there is none in the churche vvhose iudgment is of infallible Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 315. authoritie Then an other Maxime is that the protestants church is erroneous hath not true faith for euery article of faith being â—euealed of God is most certaine infallibly true The 4. particular protestant demonstration is because english protestants by their owne testimonies want the due ministration of Sacraments an other thinge alsoe essentiall to the true church by their owne Religion AS I haue proued in the former Chapter that the protestants of England haue not the pure worde of God preached amonge them because by their owne testimonie they haue noe true and lawfull preachers Soe I now demonstrate that they haue not the due ministration of Sacraments because they want a true and lawfull ministery and sacred ministers to administer them for where the due and right Actor and doer of a thinge is not the thinge cannot bee duely righly done because euery externall Action is an emanation or doing of the effect from the agent Secondly I argue thus These protestants haue not sacraments Therfore not sacraments duely ministred The consequence is euidently true for where there is noe action or thinge to bee done there yt cannot bee either dulie or vnduely done because yt can by noe wayes bee done The Antecedent that these protestants haue not sacraments I thus demonstrate from themselues for first they deny fyue of those seuen which the Apostolick Romane church receaueth onely retayning twoe as they themselues affirme that is Baptisme and the Lords supper as they name the moste holy sacrament of the Altar Soe that if but one of these twoe is wantâ—ng with them they cannot bee said to haue sacraments in the plurall number as their definition before containeth but one onely sacrament and if that is either wanting with them or not duely ministred by them they haue none at all duely ministred Now that the blessed sacrament of the altar is wanting in their church I thus demonstrate First because as they acknowledg it is to bee celebrated by a lawfully consecrated preist or minister as some of them rather call him yt selfe beinge a sacrament of greatest consecration and they haue not any such coÌ„secrated preist or minister in their church therefore this soe sacred and consecrated holy sacrament not being without such consecration and preist is not in their church and their breade and wyne is noe more a sacrament then that which in a tauerne is seet on the table by the drawer of the wine And for this present it is manifestly demonstrated by D. Couell and his priuiledging protestants whoe entreating of lawfully called sacred church preists or ministers hath these words To these parsons God imparted power ouer Couell def of Hook-pa 87. his misticall body which is the societie of soules ouer that naturall which is himselfe for the knittiuge of bothe in one a worke which antiquitie doth call the making of Christs body And in an other booke hee writeth thus The power of the Couell mod exam pag. 105. ministery by blessing visible Elements it maketh them inuisible grace it giueth dayly the holy ghost it hath â—o dispose of that flesh which was giuen for the life life of the worlde and that blood which was powred out tò rèdeme soules Where wee see a diuine and miraculous consecration and grace belonging to both these holy Sacraments of Order to consecrate and the most blessed Eucharist the bodie and blood of Christ to bee consecrated both which as is manifest are wanting in the english protestants church by their owne both practise and writings And to make this matter more euident if it could bee and further confirme that these men want this sacred Order and Sacrament of preisthood to minister this and the other sacraments hee writeth of yt againe in this maner It is a power Couell def sup
preisthood which your new learninge and womanly diuinitie haue pronownced treasonable And your present protestant Archbishop and all others directors of M. Mason teaching that all Archbishops Mâ—son episâ— dedicator of Canterbury before your first pretended and protestantlie made Bishop Matthew parker were from S. Mason in câ—nsâ—crat of Matthew parker Suecliffe pag dâ—â—ell pag. 4. 5. Feild l of the church Masâ—n supr Augustine consecrated after the Romane maner and otherwise then you practise must bee of the same opinion for our preists were made by them And as D. Sutclisfe D. Feild M. Mason and others testifie by this forme Receaue power to offer sacrifice for the quick and the deade which is now vsed in the church of Rome in which noe treason but much spirituall power and honor is conteyneth And such as it enforceth your present Ministery by all pretence Statut. An. 27 Elizab cap 1. Mâ—sm Sutclâ—â—eild sup c. they can to clayme though with note of treason their callinge from that ordination And such that it maketh the lawful soe ordered to bee soe honorable that a cheife doctor in your Religion hath written of them in thes most D Couell def of hooker pag. 87 reuerend termes â—o thes parsons God imparteth power ouer his misticall bodye which is the societie of soules and ouer that naturall which is himselfe for the knittinge of bothe in one which Antiquitie doth call the making of Christs bodie By blessinge visible elements it Couell sup pag. 105. maketh them inuisible grace it giueth daily the holy ghost it hath to dispose of that flesh which was giuen for the life of the worlde and that blood which was powred out to redâ—eme soules Couell sup pag. 87 88. 91. it is a power which neither prince nor potentate kinge nor Caesar on earth can giue Then this state a function soe honorable with God and renowned in his holie church by the sentence of your owne doctors may not bee condemned for a state of Treason And soe manie Reuerend preists aboue one hundred and twentie besides diuers of Religious orders miserablie tortured and putt to death for that onelie cause in Englang since that Edics of Queene Elizabeth were not Traytors and malefactors but happie Saints and blessed Martyrs And your protestant persecution in puttinge soe manie the fourth third part or more of that little companie to that cruell death with other manifold Afflictions vppon your contrie Catholicks hath giuen occasion for straungers to thinke and a famous protestant amonge you to write in this maner The sufferings and S. Edwyne Sandes in his Booke Relation of the state of Religion cap. 31. Martyrdomes of English Catholicks in thes times are accoÌ„pted to the height of Neroes Dioclesians persecutions and the sufferings on their side both in meritts of cause in extremitie of Torments and in constancie and patience to the renowned martyrs of that heroicall church age Which noe man can denie if hee consider how manie hundred yeares wee enioined peace honor renowne aboue the third part of the possessions and reuenewes of this kingdome with all Bishopricks Monasteries and church liuings with their priuiledges and prerogatiues Hollnish hist. in will Conq Speed ib. Booke of Domesday c. And now are not onelie spoiled and depriued of them all but stiled branded and reproached with such Infamous titles additioâ—s slaunders and miseries as neuer any such example can bee produced of like and soe longe persecutions prosecuted against the auncient possessioners of Religion and religeous preeminences by soe late and new inuention by straungers or enemies much lesse by contrimen add professors of Christianitie And yett his maiesties regall sentence is my minde was K speach in parlam 19. of marrh An. 1603. euer free from persecution or thrallinge of my subiects in matters of conscience And againe Correction without instruction which as before you cannot sufficientlie giue vnto vs is but tirannie And writinge against Contadus vorstius the dutche hereticke proueth that if Catholicks should bee in error yett they are soe far from deseruing persecution and persecution of such nature that their case needeth not fraternall or frendly correption or admonition The wordes of his Censure bee thes If the subsect of vorstius his heresies DeclaratioÌ„ An. D. 1612. in the cause of D. Conrud vorst pag. 46. 47. had not beene grownded vppon questions of an higher qualitie then touching the number and nature of the sacraments the point of iustification of meritts of purgatorie of the visible heade of the church or any such matters as are in controuersie at this day betwixt the papists vs wee doe freely professe wee should neuer haue troubled our selues with the busines in such fashion And yett all which was done therin was but a gentle and frendlie Admonition without any breache of peace leaque or amitie with that people Isaac Casaub resp ad epist. Cardi Per. in praefat Feild l. of the church Your Champion Casaubou that hath priuiledge soe often to call his doctrine the faith of our kinge the faith of the english church telleth you that thes controuersies cannot bee determined without a generall councell to whome D. Feild subscribeth and attributeth onely to that power to define and punish for such things And next to that yeeldeth primarie doth of Iudgment and to bee obeyed to the church of Rome his Feild supr l. 4. cap. 5. words bee thes Yt is more to bee respected and reuerenced then the authoritie of catholicke doctors and Bishops or other apostolicke churches Casaubon well knowinge the weakenes Casaubon supr of your cause addeth first because you haue noe hope of a generall cowncell that soe greate libertie of writinge one against an other might cease againe hee wisheth that seueris legibus â—trinque coerceretur that it were brideled on each side with seuere lawes Then you know by your owne doctors and Iudgments how greate and not to bee named offence it is with seuere lawes or edicts to commaunde and execute soe vndue and rigourous persecutions against them whome you cannot Iudge or condemne not being condemnable But because after soe manie humble and earnest suites and petitions english Catholicks can finde noe hope of other triall but to make their professed Enemies in this case and persecutors their Masters teachers accusers Iudges and and sentencers I am enforced to accept that moste vnequall and vnreasonable conflict to make your owne present protestant writers and proceedings Iudges betweene them and vs in their owne cause knowinge they dare not LactaÌ„t firdiuin insti l. 4. de vera sapient ca. 12. Morton in appeale ep dedicat with any impudencie denye against the light reason and the christian philosopher that it is an inuincible argument to proue truthe which is graunted or made by enemies themselues especiallie seing by their common Harolde Doctor Morton they haue publicklie proclaimed yt in thes wordes The assistance of learned aduersaries wee
admitt for the greatest reason of satisfaction For if it bee held an excellent point of phisicke ex vipera theriacâ—m to turne poâ—son into an Antidote against poyson and in God accompted an highe degree of vengeance to turne the Egyptians against the Egyptians and in Dauid celebrated as a principall matter of triumphe to cutt of Goliah his heade with his owne sworde and in Christ obserued as an vnansweareable matter of conuiction to iudge the euill seruant by his owne mouthe and acknowledged in S. Paule as the moste expedite meanes of confutation of the men of Crete to oppose against them their owne c. And yett to giue them more aduantage I wil demonstrate onelie by those english writers and proceedings of their protestant Religion which haue beene printed published or allowed amonge them synce his maiesties cominge into England and principallié within the first sixe or seuen yeares thereof that english Catholicks soe greuously punished for refusinge to communicate with their contrie protestants in sacraments seruice sermons or exercises of their Religion cannot doe yt by their owne Iudgments nor they exact yt without moste greuous deadelie and damnable syn And because I freelie acknowledge myselfe a preist of the Romane church and offer to defend or proue against all protestants or other Enemies the moste honorable dignitie of that sacred function And your proceedings propose oathes to trie the loialtie of english preists and Catholicks knowinge that wee will rather suffer deathe and all miseries as wee haue done then to sweare any the leaste things which wee thinke vntrue Beinge now come to my decaying time tree and fistie yeares of age doe take and leaue behinde mee as a memoriall of my Innocencie this ensuing oathe and desire it bee named An oathe of a Catholicke preist his true alleadgeancie to kinge and contrye Humblie submittinge my Iudgment in all religeous doctrine with all true ChristiaÌ„s to our mother church of Rome a Rule Kings spâ—acâ— in hâ—â—â— parlament to all both in doctrine and ceremonies as his maiesties publicke censure is I protest in verbo veritatis takinge God and the whole Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed in deed word or consent any treason or conspiracie either against our kinge Iames his maiestie whose moste dutifull and obedient subiect in all ciuill obedience I humblye acknowledge myselfe and soe entreate to bee accepted of him or against Queene Elizabeth his predecessor or any forreyne prince in whose dominion I haue lyued And I call againe God and the Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed against this kingdome of England my dearest contry or anyother state or prouince where I haue lyued or my parson in them lyuing or deceased murther theft Rapine violence vsury oppression enchaâ—nâ—mâ—nt sorcerye fornication addultery or other carnaâ—l act with any creature periurye false testimoniâ— gluttonie drunkennes or any greate or scandelous sinne to my knowledge disgracefâ—lly punishable by the lawes of England of which â— haue beene a student and by the grace of God giuen in my holy Religion I hope intend and purpose soe to perseuer all my life Soe helpe me God and his holy Saincts You see how confidentlie I haue sworne such an oathe of fidelitie and Innocencie from offence concerninge temporall Regiment or dutie of a subiect to his soueraigne as I stand in doubt whether any of your pretended Cleaâ—gie protestant will second mee therein or noe And yett there is noe matter against your Religion conteyned in yt as your soe named newe oathe of alleadgeance comprehendeth against the Pope and church of Rome as they haue censured to whome soe greate respect as before is due by your owne doctors sentences But I am out of all doubt that manie reuerende and learned preists of this kingdome will in Innocencie add to that which I haue begun And all the rest of that consecrated companie still sufferringe for that most glorious and holy cause will bee able to performe as much in that kinde as any temporall Soueraigne can in conscience exact of a spirituall and cleargie man and more then your best and moste selected Bishops or Ministers will assume to doe For matters of Religion this treatise will bee our warrant that wee must continue our vnitie with our Mother church of Rome and not with those whoe by their owne Iudgments and testimonies are Hereticks Scismaticks damnably seducers and seduced and such as by manie other titles by their owne conclusions are men not to bee communicated with in busines of Religion except men would willfullie incurre damnation Such as your moste allowed doctors writters are most manifestlie proued in this worke by their owne writings Therfore I craue pardon that the harshenes or distastfull euidence of thes protestant demonstrations bee not imputed vnto mee but to your owne protestant and puritane doctors Authors and publishers of them to the worlde for by their authorities and in their name I am to dispute proceede in euerie Argument and conuiction And because I desire to bringe securitie to all Readers that noe english protestant or puritane can by their owne Religion take iust exception against the weakest Conclusion of this booke I haue not handled any matters in yt but such as by their owne agreement ar essentiall materiall and fundamentall in Religion For how soeuer otherwise they disagree and ar not easelie to bee distinguished yett in thes soe necessarie and vnseperable things of true Religion as they tell vs they all agree D. Georg. Abb. ag Hill pag. 101. 102. 94. 106. 236. 237. 347. Doue persuas pag. 32. Morton full satisf pag. 18. The words of your present Archbishop of Canterbury ar thes protestants puritanes did neuer differ in any point of substance in substantiall points of faithe there is noe variance amonge vs. And this hee affirmeth seuen times at the leaste in one booke The protestant Bishop of Peterborough writeth thus in maâ—ters of Religion wee all agree D. Morton D. Sutcliffe D. Willet Wotton Middleton Powell the Sutel ag kâ—ll pag. 42 Willet Antib pag. 15 WottoÌ„ def of Perk pag 28. Middl pag 201. Povvel ag ap ep pag. 48. 45. Abrâ—dg Edw. holy knight pag. 103. of his 〈◊〉 Puritanes in their Abridgment with others too manie to bee cited are of the same opinion And it is soe generallie allowed amonge them that they tell vs non but such as they terme Papists Goliathes vncircumcised Philistines lyers and will affirme the contrarie Your circumcised knight as hee will bee named writeth thus our formalists and Presbyterians how soeuer they bee somewhat different in habite yett are they vnited in harte readie at all times to Ioyne in battell against any vncircumcised Philistine that dares contest against the vniformitie of their Rogers pref to the booke of articles faith Your publick glosser vppon your approued articles writeth in this maner The verie brethren themselues doe write that in regard of the common groundes of Religion and the
ministery wee are all one wee are all of one faithe VVee are ministers of the worde by one order wee preache one faith and substance of doctrine Then which nothing was euer more truly said or written Willet Antilog pag. 15. 20. Your greate Controuertist D. Willet writeth thus amonge protestants of â—ngland there is noe difference or dissâ—nt in any substantiall point of faith As for puritans and Caluinio-papists they are termes of papists deuisinge D. Georgâ— Abb. sup pa. 90. 106. 236. 237. Povvell sup pag. 48. 52 Your present protestant Archbishop of Canterbury is soe confident herein that hee vseth thes wordes Noe Goliath against vs can proue the contrary D. Powell with publicke approbation hath thes wordes Noe reformer euer distinguished betweene protestants and them of the reformed church The puritans doe not affirme the diuision betweene protestants and them to bee in substantiall points non but papists affirme that protestants and puritans differ in substantiall points of faith and hee lyeth which saith they differ in substantiall poyntes Like are the testimonies of others But thes are fullie sufficient in this place Therefore seeing I am to alleadge onelie causes and reasons essentiall and substantiall in Religion from thes your english protestant Bishops and doctors why their countrie Catholicks may not by their owne doctrines and proceedings communicate with them in matters of Religion It is euident that noe english protestant or puritane may or in conscience ought to denie any such authoritie to bee cited in this treatise or any conclusion truelie and scientificallie deduced from such their allowed principles for in soe doeinge by their generall graunt before hee should become a papist and a recusant to communicate with protestants or a blasphemous Goliah vncircumcised philistine or a lyer by their owne censure and Iudgment which would bee new and vrgent causes to auoide all spirituall communion with such men Wherevppon presuminge that noe aduersarie will soe muche disable my studyes in diuinitie and artes subordinate vnto yt But that I am able from graunted and allowed principles to deduce necessarie and vndemiable Conclusions I therefore doe confidentlie name this worke A booke of english protestants Demonstrations for English Catholicks recusancie Because the moste iust causes of Catholicks refusall to communicate with protestanâ—s in Religion are euidentlie proued by those protestants them selues in this Treatise And soe in all obedient and humble manner I take my leaue I rest and hope to continue for euer in all dutifull and beseeminge obedience and loue to our moste blessed Sauiour his Holie church and Religion his maiestie my dearest countrie and your Lordships the moste honorable portion thereof as I haue before professed and obliged myselfe by attestation and bonde vnuiolable PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLICKS RECVSANCIE The first particular protestant Demonstration why english Catholicks may not communicate in spirituall thinges with protestants is because by their owne testimonies yt would bee an act and offence vnreasonable irreligious and damnable THAT it is not lawfull for any Catholicke or member of the Romane church to communicate in Religion and spirituall thinges with the protestants of England I demonstrate by their owne testimonies And first argue thus Noe professors of Religion may lawfully and with securitie forsake that church and communion in which by the testimonie of aduersaries themselues there is saluation and many haue beene by that profession glorious Saints to communicate with a new Religion whereof there is noe such hope or certaine expectation But the state of Catholicks by communicating wâ—th protestants and forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome should bee in this â—erplexitie euen by thes protestants confession Therefore they may not in conscience forsake communion with the Romane church to ioyne with thes protestants in such busines The fiâ—st proposition is euidently true for good thinges and certaine may not bee left and forsaken for thingeâ— either euill or vncertainely good And that men may not communicate in a straunge Religion is confirmed by D. Couell and M. Hull prouinge yt by many Couell exaÌ„ â—a 200. 201 Hul. Rom. â—ol p. 30. 31 32. 33. 34. Sutcliff exaÌ„ of petit pa. 10. 11. Povvel ref â—pist apoloâ—â—tic pag. â—5 23. 26. 27. 100. 114 112. 113. c. Feild pa. 27 pag. 182. examples and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie Tâ—at wee may not communiâ—ate â—ith men of a diuers Religion D. Sutcliffe telleth vs that such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of aunâ—iâ—nt Christian Empâ—rors The like hee testifieth of Holy scriptures M. Powell is plentifull in this matters and not needfull to bee cited noâ— man of learninge and conscience affirminge communion in a false or contrary Religion to bee lawfull The minor proposition of certaintie of saluation in the Roman church is thus confirmed by thes protestants D. Feilds wordes bee thes the Romane and laâ—ine church continued the true church of God euen till our tyme and againe in this maner Wee doubt not but the church of Râ—me in which the Bishop thereof exaltâ—d himselfe was not withstandingâ— the true câ—urch of God that is helâ— a sauing profession of the truthe in Christ and by force thereof conuerted many contryes from error to truthe D. Couell writeth thus in the name of them all Protestants Couell def of hooke pa. 68. doe gladly acknowledge them of the Romane church to bee tâ—â— family of â—hesus Christ they of Rome Were still are in the church it â—â— straunge for any man to deny them of Rome to bee of the church Wee affirme them of the Romane church Couell supr pag 73. 76. to bee partes of the church of Christ and that those that lyue and dye in that church may bee saued Yett both hee and D. Feild giue this sentence Couell sup pag. 76. Feild p. 69. Feild pag. 182. there iâ— noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church D. Feild further telleth vs that diuers of the Romane church euen of the best learned that coulde not pleade Ignorance bee saued and Saints in heauen Their Bishop Barlowe hath written how greate difficultie it is for princes to bee saued Barl. ag a name lâ—sse Cathol Willet An. pag. 144. Speede Theat of greate Britan yett D. Willet writeth thus it is not denyed by any protestant but many renowned kinges and Queenes of the Romane faithe are Saincts in heauen The names of our moste holy kinges and Queenes of England which M. Speede in his late Theater of greate Britanie relateth to haue forsaken their Crownes and kingdomes to become pore Monkes Nunnes in that church and Religion and to bee chronicled for all posterities to haue beene moste holy one â—arthe and now glorious Saints in heauen are too many to bee recited Therefore seing thes protestants assure vs that the church of Rome is the true church of Christ they that liue and dye in yt come to heauen and many
expect an Impossibilitie larkes if the skye falleth wee should bee then in as desperate a case by their Religion as before For in their publick article and Rule they haue thus defined generall councells may â—rr euen in things pertayningâ— Articl of Relig â—rt 21. Feild l. of the church pag. vnto God Vnto which I will add the publicke protestant opinion sett downe by D. Feild in these wordes Bishops assâ—mbled in a generall councell haue autâ—oritie to interprett scriptures and by their authoritie to supresse all them that gaynesay such interpretation and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determination as they consent vppon to Excommunication and censure of like nature This is the desolate estate of protestants Religion by their owne testimonies without hope of hopâ—ls generall councell there is noe hope of truthe or saluation in their Religion And with hope of that which can neuer bee the misery is still remaininge for wee are still left in daunger of error to condemne vs and perill of separation from the church out of which as they teach before there is noe saluation remission of sinnes or hope Couell def pa. â—6 Feild pag. 69. of eternall life Therfore seing by vnion and communion in Religion with protestants both by their Iudgments and our owne alsoe wee should bee in this damnable perplexitie and certaine daunger of euerlastinge hell And by remayning in vnitie with the church of Rome in which wee comfort our selues and offer to mayntaine against all opponents herericks or Infidells that the church of Christ Popes and generall Councells cannot iudicially erre in matters of faith wee are freed from those desperate conditions and lyue in moste comfortable hope of true Religion in earth and euerlastinge saluation in heauen wee may not forsake the catholicke church Vrâ—is orbis of Rome and the whole christian world to ioyne with the parlament and soe miserable protestant church of England and one kingdome For confirmation of this though not needinge to bee confirmed and for further demonstration in this question I argue thus Noe men in time of controuersie about Religion may with securitie and conscience forsake the communion of the superior mother and Apostolick commaunding church or that is taught to haue especiall assistance of God in matters of Religion or that vnto which to adhere by the Iudgment of the primatiue fathers was taken for a suer taken of a true catholick euen by the coÌ„fession of protestants to Ioyne with an Inferior commaunded and subiect church vtterly destitute of such prerogatiues and acknowledged by the doctors thereof to bee erroneous But the Catholicks of England by forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome and communicatinge with english protestants should bee in this conscionles and irreligeous condition Therefore they may not doe yt The maior proposition is three fold contayning in effect three propositions as the argument for breuitie three demonstratiue arguments The first proposition is this The mother superior and commaundinge church may not vvithout greater authoritie bee forsaken to Ioyne vvith a subiect Inferior and commaunded church And it is euidently true otherwise yt should not bee the Mother superior and commaundinge church but the contrary inferior subiect commaunded The second proposition is this That church which in the Iudgment of many hath especiall assistance from God and freedome from error in religion iâ— rather to bee communicated with then that which by all men euen the best learned of it self is condemned of error and confessed to be fallible and deceauing iudgment And this alsoe is manifestly true for in the first there is either assurednes or contenting hope to bee free from error and obtaine salualtion in the other noe true hope thereof at all but a confessed certainetie of error seducing and to bee damned The third proposition is this That church which by the primatiue fathers had that priuiledge â—s the aduersaries doe graunt that to adhere vnto yt was a signe of a true beleeuing catholicke is reather to bee communicated with then that which neuer had or claymed such prerogatiue And this proposition is likwise apparantlie true for in the former there is securitie from error and in the second euident certaintie to fall into error and state of damnation Now that the case of english catolicks should bee this in all this three propositions if they should communicate with english protestans I doe thus demonstrate by thes protestans them selues and first how the romane church was and still is this mother superior commaundinge Church may appeare by the sentence of his maiestè concerninge that church in this K speach in parlam wordes it is our mother church it was a rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies when it was in her florishinge and best estate And in the conference Conference at HamptoÌ„ pag. 75. at Hampton Court their Bishop Barlowe relateth thus Tâ—e kings resolution is that noe church ought further to seperate it selfe from the church of Rome either in doctrine or ceremonies then shee hath departed from herselfe when shee was in her florishinge and best estate and from Christ our Lord and deade D. Downame Downam l. 1. Anticor ca. 3 pa. 36. denieth not but bothe Iustinian the Emperor and the generall councell of Calcedon in the primatiue church did attribute to the Pope of Rome to bee heade of the churche And the same D. Downame D. Couell D. Sutcliffe Porkins Down supr pag. 106. â—07 Couell plea of Innoc pa. 65. Sutcliff sub viâ—p 19 Perk probl pag. 237. 238. and others wittnes that at such time wherein they confesse that church a Rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies and not to bee separated from it exercised this supreame iurisdictâ—on in all partes of the worlde Asia Africke and Europe Therefore this Rule to all is not in ruling departed from her selfe or Christ our heade and soe wee mâ—y not bee seperated from yt Which M. Ormerod proueth further assuring vs that in the Apostles time it claymed thes priuiledges of preeminence indefectibilitie from the irreuocable graunte of Christ in holy Ormer pict pap pag. 78. scriptures his wordes bee thes To proue that the church of Rome hath the preeminence ouer all churches Anacletus lyuing in the Apostles time a blessed Saint and martyr alleageth Math. 16. vers 18. vppon this rocke vvill I build my church and hee expoundeâ—h it thus super hanc petram id est super ecclesiam Romanam vppon this rocke that is vpon the church of Rome vvill I build my church Therfore for any man to say that wee may sepearate our selues from the church of Rome because it is departed from it selfe when it was in her florishing and best estate is not onely a very friuolous and vaine excuse but in their opinion and Relation manifestly false because this church of Rome euen in that her best estate did clayme and by the warrant and graunt of Christ registred in holy scriptures as ample
and supreame commaunding authoritie ouer all other churches parsons and as due and respectiue obedience as now yt doth as these protestants them selues are wittnesses against them selues and by such pretended excuse of reuolt and contempt of superioritie and gouernment and for the inferior subiect guiltie or accused to vsurpe power ouer the Superior and lawfull Iudge all heresies scismes treasons rebellious and disobediences may bee mayntayned and all Regiment and Rulers both spirituall and temporall bee reiected and ouerthrowne And is the like or worse in effect then that which his maiestie speaketh of the presbyteâ—iall discipline in these wordes lacke and â—om and Will and Diâ—k vvill censure the kinge and his Conferenâ—â— aâ—â—ampt pag. 79. counsâ—ll and all their proceedings at their pleasure And from hence alsoe both the second and third propositions are directly proued For by this the second proposition That Catholicks in forsaking communion vvith the church of Rome to communicate vvith english protestants should forsaâ—â— a church by the doctrine of diuers and credible â—uthorities assisted by God from error is euideytlie true for not onelie the present doctors of the present Romane church soe teach but it was soe taught as this protestants assure vs by the learned and holy fathers and popes of that sacred church when by their graunt it vvas in her florishinge and best estate and a rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies To which I add the testimonie of D. Downame telling vs that in those times Down l. 2. Antichr pag. 107. Ormâ—r hereticks though Bishops recanting did svveare to meyntayne thâ—t faith which the Bishop church of Rome professed M. Ormerod saith S. Leo that glorious Saint doctor did teache that God did assist direct that sea in decrees And to maintaine yt by protestaÌ„ts that this was the coÌ„mon and receaued doctrine of that vnsported time whereas they now tell vs a generall councell is highest iudge D. Powell writeth thus Powell l. 1. Antichrist p. 230. 231. Calixtus Pope in that best time defined that all Bishops though gathered in a generall Councell shall fullfill the will of the church of Rome they which doe not this are pronouÌ„ced of Pope Pelagius to keepe a false Conciliable and not a Councell Pope Damasus vvrote that it is not lavvfull for the Bishops to doe any thinge against the decrees of the Bishops of Rome Where vppon according to this generall and primatiue doctrine by protestants relation their Bishop of Bils true differ pag. 66. 67. Winchester hath written in this maner The Canon of the primatiue churche made euery thinge voide that vvas done vvithout the Bishop of Rome The canon of the primatiue church forbad any Councell to bee called vvithout his consent Therefore D. Feild directeth vs what to doe in Feild pag. 20â— this case in these wordes Wee must obey vvithout scrupulous questioninge vvith all modestie of mynde and reuerence of bodie vvith all good â—llovvance and acceptation and repose in the vvorde of them that teache vs vnles they teache vs any tâ—ings vvâ—ich the authoritie of the higher Suâ—erior controlleth Therefore because thus protestants haue soe confidently assured vs that the Pope and church of Rome is our highest Iudge in authoritie and superioritie in this busines wee must still vvithout scrupulous question vvith all modestâ—ie reuerence good allovvonce acceptation and repose obey them still communicaâ—e with them And forsake all spirituall communion withall protestants and others departed and sepaâ—ated from them And from hence alsoe the third proposition that to adhâ—re to the church of Rome in time of controuersie vvas and is a token or signe of a true catholick is euidently proued An D. Downame graunteth yt to haue beene the opinion of the primatiue fathers S. Augustine and victor vticensis in Afrike vvere of opinion that Down l. 1. Antichrist pag. 106. 105. to adhere to the church of Rome vvas a marke of a true Catholick in those times And that it must soe continue for euer is proued by thes protestants before To which I add this protestant Demonstration followinge Euery forsakinge of Communion and communicating which by protestants Iudgment doth or would make men guiltie of all kinde of spirituall disobedience is to bee auoidâ—d But for Catholicks to forsake communion with the church of Rome and communicate with protestants by their owne doctrine is such therefore to bee auoided The maior proposition is euidently true for seing to bee disobedient in any one spirituall dutie is wicked and abominable much more damnable must it needs bee to bee guiltie of all such synnes The minor proposition is proued by D. Feild and the publick protestant authoritie that gaue priuiledge to his writinge for entreatinge of the diuers and distinct kindes of spirituall Fâ—ild pag. 202. l. 4. cap. 5. obedience hee writeth thus Hither wee may referr those different degrees of obedience which vvee must yeeld to them that commaunde and teache vs in the church of God excellently Waldens doctr fidei l. 2. art 2 3 pag. 27. described by waldensis wee must saith hee reuerence and respect the authoritie of all catholick Doctors whose doctrine and writings tâ—e church allovveth Wee must more regarde the authoritie of catholick Bishops more then thus the authoritie of the Apostolick churches amongst them more especially the church of Rome of a generall councell more then all thes By which doctrine of english protestants it is euident that all men communicating with them in Religion are culpable in all kinde of spirituall disobedience and if the degrees of obedience to commaunders in the church of God bee as thes men assure vs excellently described by Doctors and catholick Bishops vnder the Pope and the Pope is cheefest in thes degrees and as before is proued by them noe councell can bee either generall or allowable without his allowance and approbation by forsakinge communion with the Pope and beinge disobedient vnto him wee should bee guiltie of a spirituall disobedience Therefore when wee are assured by thes men them selues that now wee lyue in all true spirituall obedience and contrary to their commaunding and supreame byndinge instruction noe authoâ—itie on earthe is to bee obeyed in such things but rather to bee obedient and subiect it selfe to them the pretended instruction of protestants to vnlearned catholicks is not to bee termed instruction but destruction and their pesecution against vs for this our soe religious iust deniall to communicate with them in Religion shall bee censured by his maiestie and their Bishopp of Durham and not by mee his maiesties wordes in publick parlament in this question are thus You my Lord of Durham said very learnedly in Serm. An. 1603. 19. of March before the K. Kings speac in parlam 1. Iacob your sermon to day that correction vvithout instruction is but tyrannye And how can England euer an inferior subordinate and dependinge church take vppon yt power to instruct the highest spirituall authoritie
onely allowance by a woman vncapable either to haue or giue such power therefore because men in protestants religion may not bee papists nor lyers nor say that soe many of their worthies Bishopps and doctors assuring vs before that they doe not differ in any one essentiall or materiall point bee lyers and dissemblers in religion wee must needs agree with them that say the english ministers haue noe callinge or admittance but by Queene Elizabeth which by them is none at all Againe both vpon the same ground and the like extremitie in their doctrine they are inforced to renownce all ordination from the Pope and church of Rome by this their owne demonstration Noe man can giue that to an other which hee hath not But by them the Pope hath not true ordination Therfore cannot giue yt to others The maior is euidently true and their owne grounde and principle The minor proposition hath beene a common protestant doctrine and must bee iustified by their receaued opinion that the Pope is Antichrist a thinge in religion essentiall for Antichrist that is quite contrary vnto Christ cannot by any meanes bee iudged a true preist and bishop of Christ Thirdly D. Sutcliffe maketh this matter moste cleare in these his wordes Thâ— Turkes musty iâ— Sutcliff suru pa. 48. as good a Bishop as the Pâ—pe therefore in his doctrine neither of them a Bishop or able to make either Bishop or preist Therefore in an other worke with publick allowance as also this hath hee writeth of vs in this maner in Sutcliff ag D. kell pa. 4 the Popes church our aduersaries neither haue manâ—r of ordination nor substance of function they haue not imposition of handes by bishops because they haue not lawfull Bishops Therfore their pretended Bishops if made by such noe Bishops bee not true bishops And soe there bee neither true Bishops nor true and lawfull preists or ministers in the english protestant congregation and soe noe true church nor spirituall communion to bee vsed with them by their owne iudgments And this their new deuise of clayminge a consecration de iure diuino and not their old admittance from Queene Elizabeth was the Protest offer of confer pag. 11. motiue that vrgeth their owne brethren in Religion first to write in thes wordes If prelacie bee de iure diuine by the lawe of God it receaueth breathe and life from the Religion of Rome Whose prelacie and preisthood is euen by our greatest aduersaries acknowledged to bee by diuine institution And this supposed graunted by thes parlamentary protestants thus they add They cannot see how possibly by the rules of diuinitie the separation of our churches from the church of Rome and from the Pope supreame heade thereof can bee iustified And againe in this maner They protest to all the world that the Pope and the church of Rome and in them God 〈◊〉 pa. 16. and Christ Iesus himselfe haue had greate vvronge and that the protestants churches are scâ—smaticall in forsakinge the vnion and communion vvith them And this hee that would bee named Archbishop of Canterbury euen by his owne groundes before should rather haue resolued vppon then contrary to his owne iudgment vnderstanding and conscience if I may vse that worde in such proceedings maintayne and aggrauate soe straunge and vnchristian persecutions against sacred and lawfull preisthood in others which though onely imputatiue pretended and vsurped in himselfe hee would haue soe much honored or rather by their Religion Idololatrated and worshipped as an Idoll ens rationis chymaera and noe reall thinge And this is one of his vnholy purchases by directinge Frauncys Mason in soe durtie a dawbinge woorke as his booke of pretended ordination is An other noe lesse prophane is this to demonstrate himselfe and all of his opinion before for the vnitie and generall accorde and agreement of all both english and other protestants in all essentiall substantiall and materiall points of Religion to bee prophane dissemblers seducers and men of noe Religion For in this soe essentiall and substantiall a question of a true and lawfull preisthood or ministery fundamentall or foundation in true worship they are soe diametrically and contradictoâ—ily dâ—â—ided and separated that some of them considently and as matter of faith beleeue and teach they haue noe callinge or ordination but from a woman vtterly disabled eyther to haue or giue yt the rest as certainely affirme that which they pretend to haue is from Antichrist which likewise can neither giue nor haue yt soe that by noe possibilitie they can bee reconciled to haue any title to a true ministery and Religion Their onely way of Reconcilement in some parte but to their little comfort is this if they will agree that Queene Elizabeth was Antichrist But Concerning their pretended ordination it is aboundantly and demonstratiuely confuted out of their owne lawes writings and diuinitie in a particular booke of that subiect and for that cause I had here passed it ouer with silence had I not beene aduertised that being diners monethes synce readie for the presse it is fallen into their pretended Bishops hands that intend to suppresse it And therefore in the Authors name I request them truely and worde for worde to publish yt with the best answeare they can make vnto yt And his promise is to make noe further reply vnto them in that busines soe confident hee is his booke to bee vnansweareable and their cause vndefensible But for feare they will behaue themselues in this as to my greuous experience they haue verie often done in the like before I must add somâ—hat in this place And first I tell M. Frauncys Mason b. of Consecrat Mason his directors telling vs that Matthew Parker was consecrated by foure true Bishops or three and a Suffragane That no notorious and contradictory lyers are to bee beleeued in their owne cause especially of such moment But all or moste of the protestant Relators of this by their owne Testimonie are lyers Therefore not to bee beleeued The maior proposition is euidently true And the minor thus pâ—oâ—ed for first whereas I finde three relators of this pretended Consecration and Butler epdef of their misâ—â—on Suâ—cliff ag D. â—ell pag. 5. Parkers Register Doctor Butler D. Sutcliffe and directed M Mason The first saith that Ihon Suffragan of Doâ—er was one of these Consecrators D. Sutcliffe his wordes are thus Bishop Parker was consecrated hy imposition of hands of Bishop Barlowe Bishop Couerdale Bishop Sâ—ory and twoe Suffragans of whome mention is made in the act of consecration yett to bee seene M. Mason Mason in â—ons Math. Park telleth there was but one Suffâ—agane there and hee was of Bedford Soe that in these three protestant cheife writers and allowed râ—lators of this pretended consecration there bee thrâ—e diuers and quite repugnant narrations of which if not all three yett at the leaste twoe of necessitie are notorious lyes and corruptions and all of them cite Matthew
make Bishops preists bee true then their pretended Bishops and ministers claymed by his ordination are not true and lawfull but voide and inualidate If their second opinion contradictorie to the first bee true that the Pope is not Antichrist but the true Vicar Preist and Bishop of Christ as one or the other is moste true Then first because it is not my nature to giue yt they must take this infamous and notorious lye amongst them by their owne Iudgment Secondly as their brethren before haue tolde them they must confesse that the Pope of Rome and Offer supr pag. 16. that church and in them God and Christ Ihesus himselfe haue had greate wronge and indignitis offered vnto them and that the protestant churches are schismaticall in forsakinge the vnion and communion with them Thirdly that their extreamest and bloody persecutions against the sacred preists and Catholicks of England haue longe time beene and still continued are yett moste barbarous and Antichristian Fourthly that they must doe penance and seeke absolution of this by his maiesties Censure their Mother church Fiftly they must still continue in this state K. speach in parlam recantinge their former false brauings and heresies or els neuer to bee credited hereafter This is all the choise I can propose vnto then lett them make their owne election And which soeuer they chuse this is their miserable and desperate case that they haue not now any one true or lawfull Bishop or preist except some few vnhappy Renegadoes from the Romane church in England by their owne proceedings For if I should graunt which Mason proueth not that Barlowe was a true Bishop made in the time of kinge Henry 8 and a Consecrator of Matthew Parker which soe many their owne testimonies before deny yetâ— M. Mason hath told vs before that his commission power and purpose was to make him an Archbishop according to the forme of the protestant Mason sup in coÌ„secrat Matth. park statutes which as before was onely to giue him false iurisdiction without order And yett as I haue proued by them sâ—luâ—s true iurisdiction maketh not a true and lawfull Bishop Secondly whatsoeuer is the Catholick opinion in making Bishops and whether onely one or more consecratinge Bishops of necessitie are required whereof wee doe not dispute because their commission was onely Stat. Henr. 8. of making Bishops stat An. 1. Eliz. reuiuing yt according to the forme of their statutes the statutes of kinge Henry 8. and Queene Elizabeth as before required foure Bishops and soe their practise is in all M. Masons pretended consecrations of Yonge Grindall Packhurst Mason in cons of yonge c. Coxe Iuell Pilkinton Sandes Downame Bentham and the rest though pretending to be onely ordinary Bishops But for Archbishops their statutes of necessitie require fower and being repealed by Q Elizabeth Thirdly M. Mason sup concil Flor. in vnione Mason and others graunt with the generall Councell of Florence that nothing is soe essentiall in true ordination as the true and lawfull forme and matter And yett M. Mason and his directors bee wittnesses that Parker by whome they all now clayme was soe farr from hauinge the catholicke true forme matter and maner of consecration That they plainely acknowledge Hee was made and admitted far otherwise and in different maner to all true MasoÌ„ineoÌ„s of Matth. Park Archbishops of Canterbury before him from S. Augustines time and our first Christianitie Fourthly if by impossibilitie against all those euidence and without any Rituall or Order at all then all both ours and their owne as before condemned not one or any part of any vsed or lawfull to bee vsed any man could bee seduced to thinke that in their begynninge they had true Bishops of them which had beene made preists by catholike consecration yett because M. Mason his Mason in consecr directors and others and their generall practise assure vs that noe man not beinge a true and lawfull preist can possibly bee made a Bishop Stowe Hollinsh hiâ—t An. 1. Eliz. Articles of Relig. c. And bothe Barlowe and all their other pretended Consecrators were professed enemyes to preisthood sacrifice and holy oblation for the quicke and deade and that forme was condemned by their lawes and a quite contrary by statutes of kinge Edward and Q. Elizabeth made allowed and euer since practised against yt these men as I said cannot possibly now haue either true Bishop or preist amonge them all such in probabilitie deade longe since But M. Mason obiecteth that true preisthood Mason in coÌ„secrat of preists is not sacrificing preisthood nor giuen by such forme but by these wordes Recâ—aue the Holy Ghost whose synnes you forgiue they are forgiuen Obiest and whose synnes you retaine they are retayned And soe the Romane church euer retayninge in consecration those woâ—des as well as those of offeringe sacrifice for the lyuing and deade they still retayned true preisthood the protestants by that title and meanes receaued yt from them I Answeare him this is but his new and singular inuention for D. Sutchffe speaking Answ of our preists hath these wordes their preists are not called to preach and baptizeâ— but to Sutcliff ag D. Kell pag. 4. Feild l. of tâ—e church c. sacrifice Christs body and blood vnder the accidents of breade and wine for the quicke and the deade Like is the doctrine of the rest And allthough we graunt the former wordes of losing and bindinge to bee requisite to absolue from synnes yett neither we nor protestants truely relating our doctrine can call yt the principall act of preisthood whereof wee dispute and which if it â—ee wanting the secondary is not giuen For proofe of this M. Mason himselfe bringeth more testimonies out of scriptures Councells and fathers then euer he or protestants will answeare I must be breife Therefore Mason in sacrificâ— c. I vrge him but vppon these his graunts Christ was a preist after the order of Mâ—lchizedech and soe was to offer sacrifice according to that Order for as the Apostle saith Euery high preist is to offer sacrifice to God for the people therefore he graunteth that Christs bodie and blood giuen or offered to God for the people is a true sacrifice Which Christ manifestly affirmed to be done at his institution of this sacrifice when hee said this is my bodie which is giâ—en for you my blood which is shedd for you in remission of synns Otherwise hee had neuer performed the function of his preisthood after the order of Melchisedech Therefore seeing Christs bodie was giuen and his blood shed both for the quick the deade and wee are preists after that order we are by our preisthood to offer sacrifice for the people because the Apostle saith euery highe preist Archicireus is to dâ—e yt and to bee a preist and high preist differ not in the preisthood office and sacrifice but in the Archi to bee higher or lower greater
or lesse in dignitie and Christ offering his body and blood for the quicke and deade and giuing power to those whome he made preists to doe that which hee then did Hoc facite doe you this which I doe preists also must needs haue that power and that power be the proper office of Holy preisthood For at that time were the Apostles made preists otherwise we doe not finde where any power is communicated vnto them to be ministers of this soe commaunded and recommended sacracrament And otherwise S. Thomas not present when the wordes of binding and losing were spoken vnto the Apostles was not a preist in the doctrine of protestants admitting nothinge but scriptures in such cases Neither can those wordes whosâ— syns you forgiue they are forgiuen and whose syns you retayne they are retayned confer that power which belongeth to preists if they were not to offer sacrifice but onely to minister sacraments in the Religion of protestants which doe not teach that either the preist or sacrament but the faith of the Receauer forgiueth syns And soe essentiall it is to preisthood to offer sacrifice that those which in our languadge we call preists sacrifice and altar bee in other tonges things inseperable and Correlatiues both in name and deed Thusiastis Thusia Thusiastâ—rion sacrificer sacrifice and place where there sacrificer or preist offereth sacrifice Which inseperable connexion betweene sacrifice and altar preist and sacrifice D. Morton before acknowledgeth in these wordes We cannot dislike tâ—â— sentence of D. Reynoldes concerning the mutuall MortoÌ„ App. pa. 16â— l. 2. ca. 6. sect 1. Reinolds confer pag. 550. Relation and dependance betweene an altare and sacrifice But graunt that altar doth as naturally and necessarily inferr a sacrifice as a shrine doth a Saint a father a sonne And further these Cardinall Bellarmine said truly viz sacrifice and preistood are Relatiues Therefore seing Relatiues bee inseperable preisthood and to offer sacrifice cannot bee deuided but inuiolably vnited and coniected together Therefore the holy generall Councell denied such by these protestants before defineth thus The forme Conc. Flor. in vnion of preisthood is this Receaue power to offer sacrifice in the church for the liuing and deade in the name of the father and of the sonne and of the holy ghost Neither is this by these protestants other doctrine then was taught from the beginninge but it was euer soe constantly and generall taught in the church that it was adiuged and condemned for heresie in Aërius to deny yt D. Felds wordes thereof are these Arius condemned the custome of the church in Feild p. 138 l 3. cap. 29. Couell exaÌ„ pag. 114. naminge the deade at the Altâ—r and offerringe the Sacrifice of Eucharist for them for this his â—ash and inconsiderate boldnes and presumption in condemning the vniuersall church of Christ hee was iustâ—y condemned Therefore protestants haue noe preisthood they are iustly condemned for hereticks by their owne censure and the Romane sacrificing preisthood both by the present and primatiue vniuersall church of Christ is most holy Which is further confirmed by these protestants authorities first their allowed greeke church censureth these The doctrine Feild of that church Gennad Schol. def 5 c. 3. Feild p. 238 Hull Rom. pol pa. 86. Middleton papistom p. 64 45. 46. 51. 47. 48. 49. Relation of Religion Casau resp ad Card. per p. 51. 52. c of purgatorie prayer sacrifice for the deade was a tradition of the Apostles equall with the worde of God as D. Feild writeth M. Hull saith Leo S. Leo the Pope appointed Masses for the deade M. Middleton saith It was a tradition of the primatiue church receaued from the fathers to pray for the deade and begg mercye of God for them the deade were prayed for in the publick liturgies of Basile Crisostome and Epiphanius And their Relator wittnesseth that these Masses and forme of sacrifice were publick in the church Therefore M Isaac Casaubon calling yt the Religion of our kinge and saying he writeth by the kings commaund and from his mouth writeth these neither is the kinge ignorant nor denâ—eth that the fathers of the primatiue church did acknowledge one sacrifice in Christian Religion that succeeded in the place of the sacrifices of Moses lawe D. Morton goeth higher euen to the Rabbins before Christ graunting with his frend MortoÌ„ app in sacrifice c. MortoÌ„ app pa. 395. l â— Theodore Bibliander that they taught this sacrifice of the Christians and called yt Thoda And hee addeth these These testimonies of Rabbi Cahana Rabbi Iuda Rabbi Simeon are such if yetâ— they were such that they make soe directly for the Romish article of transsubstantiatioÌ„ that the most Romish Dostors for the space of allmoste a thousand yeares after Christ did not in soe expresse termes publish this mistery to the world They are more playne and pregnant for transsubstantion then are the sayings of transsubstantiators themselues pag. 396. Hitherto D. Morton And therefore allthough I now dispute for a sacrificing preisthood and externall sacrifice not of transubstantiation or what it is in particular that being impertinent to my present purpose yett because D. Couell with publick allowance before hath told M. Morton that preists to vse Couell def pag. 8â— his wordes Haue power imparted to them by God ouer Christs naturall body which is himselfe which antiquitie doth call the making of Christs bodie it hath to dispose of that flesh which was giuen for the life of the worlde and that blood which pag. 105. was powred out to redeeme soules And M. Casaubon graunteth for our kinge and their protestaÌ„ts church that the sacrifice offered by preists is Christs bodye to vse his wordes the same obiect Casaub sup pag. 50. 51. and thinge which the Romane church beleeueth Therefore I say because D. Morton acknowledgeth himselfe but an Alephbethorian in MortoÌ„prâ—aÌ„ Hebrue not able to Iudge of those Rabbines and I may not dispute but by protestants his fâ—end and fellowe protestant Franciscus Starearus Hebraicae literaturae callentissimus most excellent in Hebrue learninge as the Franck fort protestant allowers of those Rabbines name hâ—m Praefat. prot in p. Gâ—l FraÌ„â—â— furâ—i An. 1602. and they themselues are wittnesses doe call those and other testimonies of the Rabbines before Christ. Irrefragabilia testimonia vndeniable testimonies of the kingdome of Christ that all men except madd against the Religion of Christ might knowe the truthe Therefore by all kinde of Testimonies in the Iudgment of these protestants as scriptures traditions Councells the whole church of Christ holy fathers and the protestant proceedings themselues the sacrificing preistood of the Romane church is Stat. An. 8. Eliz. cap. 1. Foxe in Ed. 6. Regist eâ—d pereg in LoÌ„d Reinol Caluinot Resp lustit english minâ—sters in state of treason protestaÌ„tâ—â—n felony by their doctrine Method pataren l. decret ab init Iams Manuscrip in Canâ—trig lawfull sacred and moste reuerent And
the pretended english Bishops made either by vertue of the Queenes letters patents or commission as the wordes of the statute bee as kinge Edward made Ihon of Alasco or by the new toyeish booke of ordination or otherwise and their ministery deriued from them is voide ridiculous and vsurped none at all But before I conclude this Chapter because I meruaile more then vrgent occasions mouinge me with what colour of reason or least shewe of common ciuilitie this false adulterate vnsacrificing pretended ministery foretold by that badge of taking away the publick sacrifice and making them preists that are mere lay men by that Holy Bishop S. Methodius about 1400. yeares agoe waâ—ranted by M. Iames the protestant in his booke of english manuscripts and doe vnconscionably persecute the churche of Rome especiall the preisthood thereof and yett claime honor their pretended ministery from thence I humbly craue leaue of his Maiestie my moste honored Lordes and other temporall Rulers in authoritie that as I haue confuted the vayne pretences of these men and demonstratiuely proued by our greatest aduersaries the dignitie of our moste holy consecration soe in one protestant Argument I may proue the absurditie and pâ—rill of protestants clayming from Rome And thus I argue All men borne within this Realme or any other dominions vnder the Regiment of Queene Elizabeth An 27. Eli. cap. 2. in the 27. yeare of her raigne and â—ynce the feastè of the natiuitie of S. Ihon Baptist in the first yeare of her raigne made preists deacons or religeous or ecclesiasticall parsons made or ordeyned by any authoritie power or iurisdiction deriued challenged or pretended from the See of Rome are Traytors and guiltie of high treason And euery parson Wittnigly and willingly that receaue releeue comfort ayde or mayntaine any such preist deacon religeous or ecclesiasticall parson being at libertie as all saying seruice in their churches bee â—â— to bee adiuged a felone without benefite of clargie and suffer death lose and forfaite as in case of one attainted of felonye But all protestant english Bishops and Ministers as their Doctors before haue told vs were soe made by authoritie and power and ordination deriued chalenged and pretended by them from the See of Rome and aboue fiâ—e monethes synce that feast of Saint Ihon Baptist in the moneth of December followinge when Matthew Parker their first protestant Archbishop was made their Sutcliff ag â—â—ll â—a 4. 5. Archbishop and first minister maker by authotie and power from the See of Rome as D. Suttcliffe D. Feild M. Mason the present protestant Feild sup Mason epi. ded in coÌ„sec of Matthew Park An. 2. Elizab. c Archbishop of Canterbury his director Encourager and others doe testifie Therefore all english ministers by them bee traytors and all reliuers receauers comforters ayders maintainers or wittingly and willingly communicating with them as their wiues children all goinge to their seruice or sermons bee felons and to suffer death lose and forfaite as in such case Both propositions bee confessed by these protestants for true and vndoubted the first being the expresse wordes of their parlamenâ— and highest commaundinge lawe in the seauen and twentieth yeare of Queene Stat. an 27. Eliz. cap. 2. Stat parla 1. Iacob c Elizabeth and confirmed in the first parlament of his maiestie The second proposition is the generall doctrine of their protestant Archbishops Bishops and Doctors at this present as is proued before And if any man of singularitie amonge them shall deny yt hee incurreth the former inconuenience to desminister and vnbishop all their soe named english protestant Bishops and ministers and make them to bee onely by the makinge of a woman Queene Elizabeth which marred many but could make none as these protestants haue demonstrated before If any man obiect that all Obiect such ordained preists deacons or ecclesiasticall parsons by takinge the oath of supreamacie and liuing accordinge to their protestant Religion and lawes in England are excepted by speciall prouision of that statute and that the ministers of England takinge that oathe when Bookâ— of Ordin in ord DeacoÌ„s c they are made deacons as appeareth in their Rituall of soe named consecration and soe strictly obseruing the protestant Religion that they persecute the contrary are by this meanes exemptâ—d I answeare there is noe such prouision or exemption for such men in that staâ—uâ—â— But the exemption there onely concerneth â—eare and enfraunchizeth catholicke preists that then were come into England and had the time of fourtâ—e dayes to depart or such as should after come into England and within three dayes soe as they terme yt conforme themselues and noe others for euidence wheâ—â—â—f the very wordes of that prouision and 〈◊〉 bee these that followe Prouided 〈◊〉 that this Ast shall not extend to any such Ie◠〈◊〉 â—eminariè preist or other such preist deacon 〈◊〉 Religeous or ecclesiasticall parson as is before mentioned as shall at any time witâ— in the said â—ourtie daies or within three dayes after that hee shall hereafter come into this Realme or any other her â—ighnes dominions submit himselfe to some Archbishop Bishop of this Realme or to some Iustice of peace within the countie where hee shall arriue or lande and doe there vpon truely and sincerely before the same Archbishop Bishop or suche Iustice of peace take the said oathe sett forthe in Anno pâ—imo and by writinge vnder his hand confesse acknoâ—ledge and from thence foorth continue his due obedience vnto highneâ— lawes c. Hitherto the exemption of their lawe which by noe meanes possible can bee applyed to their english ministers none of them being in either of those onely two exempted cases Therfore neither by the lawes of God or this kingdome it can bee lawfull to communicate with english ministers in their seruice and Religion without extreame capitall and damnable perill by their owne testimonies M. Speed Theat pag. 421. Speed addeth all communicating with maried preists are excommunicated by generall Councell The 3. particular Protestant Demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because the not preaching of the word of God a thinge essentiall to the true church of Cbrist in Protestant doctrine is not amonge them by their owne testimonies AND by this it is euident that they haue not the other two protestant Notes and properties of the true church preaching of the Articu 19. puer worde oÌ„f God and sacraments duely ministred in the congregation of faithfull men for as the sacraments cannot bee duely ministred wherâ— there bee not due Ministers of them soe the puer word of God cannot possibly lawfully and truely bee preached without preachers of yt for sacraments duly ministred and due ministers of them as alsoe the word of God truely preached and true preachers of yt bee correlatiues which mutuò se ponunt aufferunt come and goe together as logitians and reason teach vs. Therfore S. Paule knowing how vnpbssible a thinge it is
for the truth of Christs Ghospell to bee preached without preachers and true ministers lawfully ordeyned sent expresseth it by this gradation as these protestants themselues translate him How shall they call on him in whome they haue 〈◊〉 ca. 10 vers 14. 15. not beleeued and how shall they beleeue in him of whom they haue not heard and how shall they heare without a preacher and how shall they preach except they bee sent And therevppon these english protestants in their moste authoriâ—ed Artiâ—les vtterly disable all that are not lawfully called to thes functions And D. Couell giueth a reason of it in these wordes Tâ—e church hath Art minist in the congreg art 23 Couell exa pag. 130. noe reason to heare their voice whom Christ hath not commaunded to feede his sheâ—pâ— Secondly there is made demonstration before first in generall that all groundes and rules in diuinitie scriptures traditions Popes Councells fathers c. are against their doctrines and opinions as alsoe that in particular in euery cheefe Article questioned betweene Catholicks and them they are in vnexcusable error by their owne testimonies therefore the pure word cannot bee preached by them their church consequently is not by their owne definition the true church nor any hope of saluation to bee had in their Religion And soe they are not to bee communicated with in such busines Further I argue thus noe societie or congregation of men hauing by their owne confession errors in matters of faith to bee rectified and amended hauing erroneous conceipts desiring seâ—king or wanting reformation in matters of beleefe can bee said to haue the pure word of God preached with them But these english protestants by their owne confession are in this state Therfore the pure worde of God is not preached with them The maior proposition is euidently true for as nothinge is soe vndoubtedlie true as the worde of God which by noe possibilitie can bee vntrue and the pure word of God cannot bee vnpure and false Soe errors in matters of faith to bee rectified amended c. cannot by any meanes bee said to bee pure the worde of God or truth but the quite opposite vnpure the word of the deuill a lyer and falsehood The minor proposition is thus proued by these protestaÌ„ts first D. Willet is soe absolute that their english protestant church is erroneous and false in doctrine that M. Parkes writeth of him in these words M. Willet exclaymeth moste bitterly Parkes ag lymbo p. â—0 Couell exaÌ„ p. 212. 213. against the protestants english church in the preface before his Antilogie D. Couell turning his speach to our kinge for Correction hath these words The church of England which lâ—etâ— prostrate at your graces feete desireth not to beâ— fauoured in her errors nor to haue her corruptions warranted by authoritie D. Wiliet telleth vs it Willet sup pag. 43. petition of 1000. c. Answere of the vniuersity King speach 19 mart An. 1603. hath erroneous conceipts it hath errors in doctrine The petition of the millinarie Puritans write how erroneous the english protestants church is and far from hauing the pure word of God preached in yt And the two vniuersities in their Answere submit their Religion to bee corrected or altered as the kinge pleased And the kings Maiestie himselfe in publicke parlament vseth these word I could wish froÌ„ my hart that laying willfullnes aside wee might meete in the midst I would for my owne part bee content to meete them in the midd way that all nouelties might bee renounced These hee testifieth of the english protestant Religion And in the Conference at Hampton Court as their Bishop Barlowe relateth it concludeth this point as all the rest that Conference pag. 47. errors in matters of faith might bee rectified and amended Then if the kinge and whole protestant assembly all the rest concluded that the errors in matters of faith might bee rectified c. Their opinion was that they had errors in matters of faith and soe not the pure word of God which by noe possibilitie can admit such errors nor any one least error at all in Religion Againe thus I argue None that haue beene condemned about articles of faith or as heretiks by generall councell haue the pure worde of God or may bee communicated with in such religeous things but the english protestants are such by their owne iudgments Therfore they haue not the pure word preached nor may bee communicated with in Religion The maior proposition is euidently true and shall more lardgely bee handled in my chapter that these englsh protestants by their owne testimonies are hereticks in the meane time D. Couell writing how wee may not communicate with such men doth thus define them Hereticks Couell exaÌ„ pag. 199. are they whoe directly gaynesay some article of our faith and are or haue beene condemned by seme generall Councell The minor proposition that our english protestants haue beene thus condemned by their owne confession not onely by some one generall Councell which this protestant D. alloweth for a lawfull condemnation of men for hereticks but by many Couâ—â—â—lls acknowledged by themselues for generall is proued by them before And for this place their generally allowed Article shall suffice sett downe in these words Generall Councells may err and sometime haue erred euen in things pertayning vnto God wherefore things ordeyned by them as necessarie to saluation haue neither strength nor authoritie vnlesse yt may bee declared that they bee taken out of Holy scripture And how declaration with them in this poynt consisteth in their owne priuate deduction for they can neuer haue any to bee esteemed publicke against a publicke generall is thus testified by M Wotton and the authorized priuiledg to this booke deduction from scripture WottoÌ„ def of perk pa. 467. maketh a matter of faith By which Rule if priuate men may soe censure generall councells there neuer was or can bee any heresie Therefore by this doctrine in all probabilitie the english protestants assuredly know how they haue beene condemned for hereticks and are as such to bee auoided in communication of Religion Otherwise they would not soe extoll priuate and fallible deduction aboue the authoritie of generall Councells to say that these may err and their priuate deductions are such warrant for them that they should priuiledge a man to write in all their names in this maner Wee acknowledge both and holde all matters WottoÌ„ sup pag. 467. concluded logically out of the scriptures to bee the word of God as well as if they were expressely sett downe in yt vvorde for vvordâ— And yett they generally teach as before that their church hath errors in doctrine and that neither prince nor any amonge them is free from error Then Willet art p. 43 150. noe man is left to make these their pretended infallible deductions from scripture Therefore the pure word of God neither is nor by their writings can bee preached with
pa. 87. 88. 89. 91. which neither prince nor potentate kinge nor Caesar on earth caÌ„ giue Ministeriall power is a worke of seperation because it seuereth them that haue yt from other men and maketh them a speciall Order consecrated vnto the seruice of the moste high in things wherewith others may not ineddle The Character of Order is an actiue power which giueth an Abilitie publickly to administer the sacraments Then the pretended ministery of England not being of this holy Order as is proued from them before hath noe power to minister sacraments especiall this which consisteth in soe holy consecration which they not onely want but deny to bee exercised Therefore there remaineth but one Sacrament Baptisme which these protestants can by any semblâ—nâ—e of reason make clayme vnto if this were graunted yett they are allreadie by themselues condemned not hauing either sacraments duely ministred or sacraments how soeuer duely or vnduly ministred and soe haue noe note of the true church by their owne doctrine But I will alsoe shew that by their owne testimonie they either haue not this sacrament or not duely ministred And thus I argue by their doctrine Noe ministringe of Baptisme by women lay men or any but a lawfully admitted minister is duely ministred But with protestants in England lawfull ministers doe not baptize by their owne testimonie Therefore Baptisme with them is noe true baptisme or not duely ministred by their owne Iudgment The maior proposition is proued by his Maiesties Censure in their Hampton Conference where their Bishop Barlowe speaking of three things to bee then cheefely entreated writeth thus The third was priuate baptisme if priuate CoÌ„fereÌ„ce at Hampt Court pa. 8 for place his maiestie thought it agreed with the vse of the primatiue church if for parsons that any but a lawfull minister might baptise any Where hee vtterly disliked and in this point his highnes grewe somewhat earnest against the baptizing by Women and laickes The first of the other Copie 1 sup annexed protestant copies reporteth the Kings speache in this maner Hee spake bitterly against Copie 2. priuate Baptisme saying hee had as liue an ape as a vvoman should baptiâ—e â—â—s child The next protestant copie of that conference speaketh thus The kinge concluded against priuate Baptisme By which it seemeth that Baptisme ministred by any but a truely and lawfully ordered preist or minister was not Baptisme And then to proue the minor proposition the english protestants of england haue not true baptisme Because as is proued before by their owne writings they haue noe true ministers And soe by their owne publicke communion booke teaching comm booke tit publ Baptisme that none are admitted into the Church of Christ but by Baptisme the protestants of England by their owne doctrine are noe Christians Which absâ—rditie to follow vppon this doctrine ioyned with the defect of their protestant ministery may seeme to haue beene perceaued by D. Bilson their protestant Bishop of Winchester for that protestant Author of Copie 1. of Conference sup the first copie writeth thus The Bishop of Winchester sayde that if hâ—â— tooke avvay priuate baptisme hee ouerthrevv all antiquitie Further I argue thus The protestants of England by their owne testimonies to bee vsed in the next chapters and as appeareth alsoe by them allreadie are hereticks therefore by their doctrie printed their children are not to bee baptized And soe by them there is noe baptisme priuate or not priuate amonge them because they onely baptise children The Antecedent is euident and the consequent published Ormerod dialog 1. by M. Ormerod in these wordes Children of hereticks and of such as by excommunication are cut from the church may not bee baptised Therefore by these protestant positions noe protestants in England being either to baptise or bee baptized there is noe Baptisme among them much lesse Baptisme duely ministred which is the poynt in question And soe not any one sacrament to giue grace amonge them therfore noe meruaile if soe greate prophane sins impieties raigne amoÌ„g them as they testifie hereafter Further whereas it is proued that Christ instituted all those seauen sacraments which bee vsed in the Romane church with their grace matter forme c. these men doe not retayne any one or not duely ministred by their owne testimonies Therfore noe true church with them nor spirituall communion to bee had with them To these I add this argument from themselues soe agreing together in all materiall things such as sacraments bee noe companie where the sacraments bee not or not duely ministred is the true church or to bee communicated within Religion But the english protestant supposed church by their owne testimonies is such Therefore it is not the true church nor to bee communicated with in Religion the Articul 19 maior proposition consisteth of their publicke and Authorized article of Religion The minor is thus proued by these agreing protestants M. Ormerod relateth their sentence in these words amonge the protestants sacraments Ormer pict purit l. 3. dial 1. are vvickedly mangled and prophaned yea and vvickedly ministred For confirmation whereof their Bishop Barlowe hath thus written by the testimonie of their late Archbishop of Canterbury and the Lord Chauncellor before the kinge The vicar of â—aâ—â—sdale was proued before CoÌ„feâ—eÌ„ce at Hampton pag 99. the Lord Archbishop to deale breade out of a baskett for the communion euery man putting in his hand and taking out a peece The protestant Author of the booke named An abridgment AbridgmeÌ„t pag. 72. of Lincoln dioces writeth thus of their publickly allowed practicall of Religion It appointeth sondry things that tend directly to the prophanation of the holy sacraments either by prostituting them to vnvvorthie parsons or administringe them vnreuerently And D. Willet the stiled Professor of diuinitie seemeth to bee of the same opinion And therefore coueteth to retayne a name of a church vnto them though they haue noe sacrament at all not bâ—ptisme yt selfe to bee ministred in yt wherevppon his words bee these It is â—rrâ—neous to thinke that Baptismâ— Willet An til pa. 127. and the church can not bee seperaâ—ed The 5. Demonstration is Because these protestants manifestly acknowledge that their pretended church is not the true church of Christ AND by this it is euidently demonstraâ—ed by these protestants against themselues that soe longe time pretending to bee refâ—â—ners of Religion and church they are now conuinced by their owne Testimonies not to haue the true church but rather noe church of Christianitie att all For wheresoeuer the pure word of God is not preached the sacraments duely ministred and lawfully called ministers to doe these things ther is not the true church but rather noe christian church att all But as is proued by these english protestants such is their stâ—te and condition Therefore they eyther haue noe christian church at all or at the leaste noe true church by their owne confession Therefore
noe spiriâ—uall communion to bee had with them both propositions are graunted anâ— proued by â—heses protestants before and further may bee confirmed by these words of D. Feild for the maâ—or proposition There is and allwayes hath beene a visible church Feild pa 21 and that not consistinge of some foâ—e scattered Christians without order of ministery or vse of sacraments for all this vve doe moste Willingly yeeld vnto And againe in this maner In the Feild sup pag. 25. church of God is fovvnde an entire profession of the sauing truth of God Order of holy ministery sacraments by vertue thereof aâ—ministred and a blessed vnitie and fellovvship of the people of God c. vnder the commaunde of lavvfull pastors and guides And againe in his second booke hee Feild l. 2. ca. 2. p. 40. maketh this a note vnseperable an vnion or connexion of men in profession and vse of sacraments vnder lavvfull pastors Therefore demonstration being made by these protestants themselues that their Church soe termed by them wanteth these things which is the second proposition The Conclusion that their Congregation or pretended church is noe church or not the true church is manifestly true and soe not to bee communicated within Religion Further from soe well agreing protestants in all essentiall things as they teache vs I argue thus Noe societie or companie of men affirmed by themselues or men agreing with them in all essentiall and materiall points of Religion to bee noe church or not the true church can in conscience bee taken and esteemd by others differing from them in Religion to bee the true church and to bee communicated with in sermons seruyce Sacraments c. But the english protestants are in this condition Therfore they haue not the true church nor may bee communicated with in such things The maior proposition is euidently true for noe testimonie is greater to a man then his owne iudgment vnderstanding and conscience and of others not differinge beinge an internall lawe and direction vnto all men The minor Couell def of Hooke pag 65. 75 pag. 74. Couell exaÌ„ pag. 3 Ormerod pict purit k. 1. Ormer dial 1. Feild episc dedicat of the church Couell def pa. 50. cont Burg. p. 60. WottoÌ„ def p. 442. c. D. Abbotag Hill p. 101. 102. 236. 237. 247. doue persu p. 32. mort satisf p. 18. Sutcl ag kell pag. 42 iâ— ill Antil p. 15. Middl. pap pa. 201 WottoÌ„ def is thus proued by these their soe well agreâ—ng protestants themselues whose sentence is thus sett downe by D. Couell in these words The statute congregations of England arâ— noe true churches And againe in these termes the protestant church of England is noe church at all And further thus the protestants of England haue noe forme of a church M. Ormerod lâ—kewise doth thus register their Censure against themselues in this order The protestant church is not the true church of Christ. And thus againe the protestant church in England is not the true church it hath not soe much as the outward face and shew of the true church Then because D. Feild with others assure vs there is noâ— part of heauenly doctrine more necessarie in these daies then to knovv the church and true sponse of Christ and that there is noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church This must needs bee a moste necessarie essentiall and materiall point in Religion otherwise nothing is or can bee necessarie essentiall or materiall wherefore seinge their protestant Archbishop of Canterbury their protestant Bishop of Peterborough their Doctors Morton Sutcliffe Willet Wotton Povvell Middleton and all protestants as they teach doe hold that they all agree in euery essentiall point none but papists and lyers affirme the contrary and noe Goliath can proue yt they all agree and must conclude that the protestants haue noe church p. 28. Couâ—ll ag apologet epist. pag. 48. 52. c. or not the true church And soe noe spirituall communion is to bee had with them The 6. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because English protestants by their owne testimonies are hereticks and moste notorious hereticks FVRTHER I proceede in this matter with this demonstration noe societie companie or fellowship of men that by their owne testimonies or hereticks may bee communicated with in spirituall things But these english protestants are such therefore not to bee communicated with in such busines The maior proposition is thus proued by these protestants Their Bishop D. Doue writeth thus This proposition noe hereticks nor Scismaticks are Doue persuas pag. to bee communicated withall is vndoubtedly true because it is grounted vppon scripture Tit. 3. Ioh. â—p 2. Rom. 16. M. Hull teaceth by many examples Hull Rom. pol. p. 30. 31. 32. 33. 34. Ormer pag p. 51. Powell cons pag. 8. in concl Sutcl exam of petit p. 9. and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie in this maner Wee may not communicate vvith hereticks and men of a diuers Religion M. Ormerod is of the same opinion M. Powell writeth thus With Idolaters hereticks good men ought to haue noâ— communion D. Sutcliff handleth this point more at lardge and first citeth the Loadicean councell can 31. 32. 33. which doth directly condemne communion vvith hereticks either in Mariadge or in prayer And hee further speaketh thus The fourth councell of Cathage cap. 70. forbiddeth cleargie men all festings and fellovvship vvith hereticks and Scismaticks Alsoe against communion with such people hee citeth these scriptures Deuter 13. Psal 16. Deut. 16. Deut. 29. Sutcl sup pa. 5. 6. 7. 8. Zephan 1. Matth 7. Matth. 16 Gal 5. Apocal. 2. num 16. Iosue 23. 2. Corinth 6. And calleth euen the tolleration of any false hereticall Religion repugnant to Râ—asons of Religion and holy scriptares Hee telleth further such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of auntient christian Emperors For fathers hee citeth S. Athanasius Gregorie Nazianeen sup pa. 10. 11. cap. 3. Hierome Augustine Ambrose Irenaeus Dionysius Heraclas Optatus of Meleuit And addeth thus Eusebius l. 7. hist c. 6. by the authoritie of Dyoninisius and Heraclas prouâ—th that such as conuerso vvith hereticks are excommunicate For Emperors hee alleadgeth the degrees of these primatiue pag. 11. christiaÌ„ Emperors ConstaÌ„tine Gratian Valentinian Theodosius Arcadius Honorius Martianus and Iustinian And to conclude that all protestants will seeme to bee of the same opinion the protestant Author of the booke AbridgmeÌ„t An. 1605. pag. 18. named Abridgment of a booke of the ministers of Lincoln dioces writeth thus By the iudgment of the godly learned of all churches and ages vvho haue constantly taught and giuen testimonie to this truth that Christians are bounde to cast of the cerâ—monies and râ—ligeous customes of pagans Ievves Idolaters and hereticks and carefully to shun all conformitie vvith them And for this Sup. pa. 18. 19. 20.
21. 22. 23. auoyding of communion hee citeth the first generall councell of Nice Augustine Tertullian Pope Melchiades Ambrose Gregorie the greate S. Leâ— the church of Scotland Oecolampadius Caluin Bucor Musculus Peter martyr Beza Zanchius Pezelius Mollerus Szegâ—dinus Danaeus Michabaeus Zepperus Wigandus M. Rogers the latâ— Queenes iniunctions her Canons Bishop Iâ—wâ—ll B. Pilkinton B. Westphalingâ— Bilson D. Humfry D. Fulke D. Andrevves D. Sutcliffe and other protestants Soe that wee see by these men that this is onely the doctrine of the primatiue Councells fathers Emperors and the present catholicke church but generally of protestants themselues The second proposition that these protestants are hereticks is directly proued before by their owne writings for men obstinately settinge vpp and mayntayninge against their lawfull superior and commaunding Authoritie a congregation of men wanting true preaching of the word of God due ministration of sacramens and an intruded and vsurped ministery as by their owne testimonies they haue longe tiue done and still doe must needs bee hereticks For thus they define heresie Hereticks Couell exâ— pag. 202. Ormerod dial 2. are men obstinately â—rringe in some fundamentall poynt Such as these bee by their owne doctrine before And these againe Hee is an hereticke which soâ— swarueth from the vvholesome doctrine as contemning the iudgment both of God and the church persisteth in his opinion and breaketh the peace of the church As these men haue longe time done in the highest degree and soe still perseuere Secondly as I haue alsoe proued before D. Couell exaÌ„ pag. 199. Couell writeth thus Hereticks are they vvhoe directly gaynesay some article of our faith are or haue beene condemned by some generall Councell But these protestants are in this state condemned as they haue acknowledged in diuers such articles by diuers councells which they write and testifie to bee generall as the second Nicene Councell the Councell of Florence Constance Laterane and others and not in some one article of faith though that by their recited definition were sufficient to make them hereticks but in all or the cheefest articles of their Religion and yett not onely obstinately they defend their Errors against these allowed generall Councells and the whole Catholicke church but moste vnchristianely and heretically haue in their subscribed article condemned these their lawfull iudges to haue erred in those Articu 19. things which is the greatest and moste notorious act of heresie that can bee and such as destroyeth all true Religion Therefore by their owne Censure they are notorious hereticks not to bee communicated withall in matters of Religion Thirdly I suppose in this place breefely which these protestants before haue testified at lardge that they all agree in fundamentall points without variance at all And that definition of heresie by them before Hereticks are men obstinately erring in some fundamentall Couell exaÌ„ pag. 202. point And I argue these whosoeuer by themâ—â—lues pretended to agree in all fundamentall essentiall and materiall things are yett by them selues often ceâ—â—ured denounced and adiuged to bee hereticks are to bee esteemed for such and not to bee communicated with in Religeous things But these english protestants by their owne Censures and iudgments are in this condition Therefore to bee esteemed and in spirituall communication to bee auoided as hereticks The maior proposition is euidently true for as the christian philosopher writeth Satie firmum argumentum est c. That argument Lactant firmian Insti l. 4. de vera sap cap. 12. or euidence that is giuen of the enemyes themsâ—lues is stronge enough to proue the truthe for noe man will deny that which both frends and opposites affirme The minor proposicion that english protestants by their owne censures are hereticks is proued by them in this order D. Willet writeth in these words protestants VVillet apud Parkesp 20 haue sett a foote straunge nouelâ—ies paradoxes vvhirle pilt poynts bubbâ—â—s of nevv doâ—trine straunge and vnsounde positions contrary to the scripture Therefore by their doctrine hereticall and they bee hereticks which M. Parkes Parkes ag lymb inpref sup ep ded Ormer dial 2. Ormer pict pur intitul Ormer dial 1. speaking of them plainely testifieth in these words they haue pestilent heresiâ—s And againe They are hereticall and sacriledgeous M. Ormerod writeth of these soe well agreing protestants in this maner They are in the compasse of heresie And againe They doe resemble the Anabaptists condemned hereticks in aboue sourescore seuerall things And further these They ioyne sondrie things vvith the pharises Apostolicks Aerians Pepusians Petrobusians Florinians Cerinthians Nazarens Beguardines Ebionites Catababdites Catherists Iouinians c. All which bee condemned hereticks both by this mans other protestants iudgment And hee addeth further in these words there vvas scarce heresie inuented Ormer dial 2. by olâ— hereâ—icks which they haue not ioyned in reuiue and renevve vvith freâ—h and nevv colours Therefore by their owne testimonie they are hereticks if hereticks or notorious hereticks bee hereticks Againe I argue in this maner whosoeuer are obstinate in their errors being such that strike at mayne points of faith shake the foundation it selfe heauen and hell the diuinitie humanitie and the verie soule and saluation of Christ are to bee auoyded as hereticks But these english agreing protestants by their owne writings are such Therefore to bee auoyded as hereticks The maior proposition is euidently true The minor proposition is thus proued by M. Parkes whoe in his booke dedicated to their late Archbishop of Canterbury D. Bancroft writeth of these agreing protestants in these words They are heade stronge and hardened in Parkes â—pist dedic error they stricke at mayne points of faith shaking the foundation it selfe and calling in question heauen and hell the diuinitie and humanitie yea the very soule and saluation of our Sauiour himselfe Therefore hereticks by their owne testimonie Further I argue thus whatsoeuer pretended Religion doth sow swarue from the holy scriptures and Gods commaundments that it cannot bee kept without breach of them and is soe notoriously impious that by those of their owne profession and accompted godly amonge them it hath beene accompted to haue noe lawes noe good order noe discipline c. is hereticall But the english protestant Religion by their owne confession is such Therefore hereticall and not to bee communicated with in spirituall things The maior proposition is manifestly true And the minor is thus proued by these protestants themselues The english protestant author of the booke named certayne demaunds writeth in these words the protestant Cert demauÌ„ds An. 1605. p. 42. Ormer piâ—â— pur c. 3. Religion of EnglaÌ„d cannot bee kept without breach oâ— the commaundements M Ormerod writeth thus it hath beene conceaued by godly men in forreyne Contreyes that the english protestants haue noe lawes noe good orders noe discipline but that euery man may doe what hee list Therefore if their owne godly brethren in Religion and by their owne Relation as
soe by breakinge any of them Scisme is contracted if I shall but onely proue they haue broken this vnitie in one they are proued Scismaticks by their owne proceedings But to proue them to bee in the highest degree of Scisme I will make demonstration that they are guiltie in breakinge all these vnities And first concerninge their first vnitie of subiection to lawfull Pastors I argue thus At the begynning of protestancie either the pastors of the Romane church namely the Pope when they reuolted from him were true pastors or not if they were not then their pretended ordination and Episcopalitie from thence is voyde if they were their true pastors then they are Scismaticks for their reuolt and disobedience vnto him Secondly I proue yt thus euery church not clayminge to bee supreame the superior mother or commaunding church and yett submitting yt selfe and obedient vnto none is scismaticall for not to obey a lawfull superior Pastor is scisme and their Bishop Barlowe hath told vs before that maioritie of Bishops is Barl. serm Sept. 21. 1606. an apostolicall tradition in all the vvorlde enacted for succedinge posteritie a canon or constitution of the vvhole Trinitie Therefore the english protestant church neuer clayminge this maioritie aboue others and yett obstinately repugnant and disobedient to that which euer had this Maioritie which as is proued by them before is the Romane church must needs bee scismaticall Thirdly D. Feild and these his protestants Feild l. 4. â—â— 5 p 202. haue assured vs That amonge those different degrees of obedience which wee must yeeld to them that commaunde and teache vs in the church of God wee must more especially respest the church of Rome then Catholicke Doctors the authoritie of catholicke Bishops or other churches though apoâ—â—olicke Therefore the english protestants soe willfully and maliciously disobedient and contumelious vnto yt are Scismaticks by their owne iudgment Secondly concerning his second vnitie whose breach maketh Scisme and is as hee saith The connexion and Communion vvhich many particular Feild l. 3. pag 70. sup churches and pastors of tâ—â—m haue amongâ— themselues The english protestants haue not communion or connexion with any either true or pretended churche in the worlde in their cheefest poynts of connexion communion or coordination as namely in their pretended Bishops and the manner of making them in Rulinge their congregation in the temporall princes supreamacie c. Therefore by breach of this vnitie alsoe they are Scismaticks by their owne Rule For Confirmation whereof D. Couell setteth downe the doctrine of other protestant churches in these words there is noâ— Couell def of Hook pa. 33. church where the gouernment by elders or presbytery wanteth this being as essentiall as either the Worde or sacraments And the protestant Author of the booke called Suruey writeth thus The Suru of comm B. pag. 24. english churches differ from all other reformed churches That they differ from the Romane and all other churches they willingly acknowledge therefore they are Scismaticks by their owne Censure For here wee see that there is noe true and reall connexion and communion of the english protestant congregation or pretended Pastors Bishops or ministerie with any either true or pretended church catholicke or protestant reformed or not reformed pastors presbyterie or whatsoeuer they will terme them in all the world And by this alsoe it is euident that they are Scismaticks by breakinge the third protestant vnitie In holdinge the same Rule of faith for these english protestants agreing with noe other church true or false in the Rule of faith as before must needs be Scismaticks alsoe by this title And soe moste notorious in this offence of scisme hauinge obstinately dissolued all christian vnities by their owne confession Further I argue thus whosoeuer by mayntayninge their sect or faction in Religion are forced to such absurdities that by the testimonies of their owne Brethren in Religion they make themselues and all of their doctrine to bee Scismaticks are to bee esteemed such But the english protestants are in this case therefore Scismaticks by their owne sentence The maior proposition is euident And the minor alsoe proued by them before and now breefely in this maner The protestant authors of the offer of Conference supposing that the english parlament protestants will defend their proceedings as they doe write in these words They cannot see how possibly by the Rules of diuinitie Offer of Conference pag. 11. tâ—e seperation of our churches from the church of Rome and from the Pope supreame heade thereof can bee iustified Then by their owne Rules before they are scismaticks which the same protestants protest expressely in this maner They protest to all the world that the Pope and the câ—urch of Rome and in them God and Christ sup pag. 16. Iesus himselâ—e haue had greate wronge and indignitie offered vnto them and that all the protestant churches are scismaticâ—ll in â—orsakinge vnitie and communion with them Which is further confirmed by an other of their reformed brethren though writinge somewhat later then my sixe yeares limitation whoe speaketh in this order As wee haue saide vnto you called Brounists soe DeclaratioÌ„ of the misterie of iniquitie An. 1612. pag. 156. wee say to England and to the presbytery holdinge of the Pope and that profession as you doâ— Then haue you of England and all the nations of the earthe synned grâ—ately to seperate from Rome in that you were all of one bodie and members one of an other and being beleâ—uers in Christ Iesus they are your brethren and ought not to seperate from Rome as you haue done If you of England and the presbyterie and you called Brouniâ—â—s did make any conscience to walke by the Rules of Christs â—erein you â—ould not walâ—e towards Rome as you doe Againe I argue in this maner whosoeuer are â—ither by themselues or others that bee in their opinion learned and consenting with them in all essentiall and materiall points condemned and censured to bee Scismaticks are to bee adiudged and auoyded as such in spirituall communications But these english protestants both parlamentaries and puritanes are in this state Therefore to bee as such adiudged and forsaken in Religeous communications The maior is euidently true because to bee in Scisme which excludeth forth of the true church out of which by these protestants before there is noe hope of saluation is a point both materiall and essentiall in Religion The minor proposition is proued by these protestants and puritanes mutually condemning themselues their essentially agreing brethren to bee scismaticks First their late protestant Archbishop of Canterbury D. Bancroft then of London in their publick Conference before the kinge calleth them scismaticks yt is thus recorded for action by their Bishop Barlowe in these wordes CoÌ„fereÌ„ce at Hampton Court p. 26. The Bishop of London kneelinge downe moste humbly desired his maiestie that the auntient Canon might bee remembred which saith that
Scismatici contra Episcopos non sunt audiendi Scismaticks are not to bee hard against Bishops M. Ormerod speaketh of them in this maner Ormer dial 2. They peâ—seuer in inueterate and olde Scisme which by the auntient fathers and protestants alsoe maketh heresie Therefore protestants are both scismaticks and hereticks M. Powell himselfe Povvell cons pa 11. 16 19. pag. 25. 35. 48. 52. a puritane writeth thus of them They are Scismaticall they are in scisme thâ—â—r caâ—e is â—â—ismaticall they haue pâ—anaticall giddinâ—s Sciâ—mes factions and innouation thâ—â— are soâ—ers â—f sâ—diâ—ion scisme and faction they are scismaticks they are guiltie of scisme M Parkes calleth them Scismaticall hereticall and sacriledgeous they are Parkes Apol â—pist ded headstronge in Scisme and hardened in error How the puritane protestants vppon the groundes of our english protestants haue condemned all protestaÌ„t churches to be scismatical against the church and Pope of Rome is related before and the protestant author of the Cert consid An. 1565. â—p dedicat booke named certaine considerations giueth this testimonie The protestants of England syn against God in their proceedings their Religion is sedâ—tious a sect Scisme it is much like to an euill herbe or vveâ—de vvhich if it bee not speedely rooted vp but suffered to spreade vvill soone ouerspreade the gardons of God vvitâ— vice and impietie as there will scarce beâ— any roume left for vertue and pietie And D. Couell a man of best temper in writing amonge them speaketh thus of Couell exâ—â— pag. 139. their english protestants The scismes and diuisions amongst vs haue made a number renounce their office Then if the protestant Ministers themselues haue thus obserued themselues to bee in Scismes and therevppon renounced their office and communion Catholickâ— may not now begyn to communicate with them thus by themselues condemned for Scismaticks The 8. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because the publicke protestant Seruice at which they refuse to bee present and communicate in is false hereticall iustely condemned and damnable by their owne doctrine NOw to come to their preteÌ„ded church seruice it selfe at which because Catholicks moste iustely as before refuse to bee present and for such Recusancie or Refusall are moste vniustly and aboue the measure of punishment of the greatest and notorious syns excepting treasons and matters of state punished and afflicted being conteyned in that their soe called Communion Booke or Booke of common prayers I argue thus Noe man may communicate with Hereticks and Scismaticks especiallie in prayers and publicke seruice not onely inuented and vsed without the allowance of the true and lawfull pastors but directly opposite and repugnant to the highest spirituall authoritle and iurisdiction But the english protestants by their owne testimonies before are in this case Therefore not to bee communicated with in such prayers and seruice Secondly I argue thus noe new deuised order of prayer deuised by consortinge vnto and in it selfe conteyninge and approuinge a Religion contrary to holy scriprures both the written and vnwritten word of God generall Councells decrees and doctrine of the primatiue Popes and fathers and to all churches of Christendome both present and heretofore derogatorie both to the triumphant militant and patient church of Christ where â—ll sacraments and instruments of grace either are absolutely denyed oâ— soe vnduely and prophanely vsed that all grâ—ce by them is taken away from the lyuinge from them that die from Cleargie from laitie for the maried vnmaryed olde younge Ritch and pore and where there is not true ministery nor church to haue any hope of saluation in may bee communicated withall especially if these moste greuous and enormeous absurdities and inconueniences bee proued and made apparant by the cheife professors themselues of such a supposed Religion But the lamentable case and condition of these english protestants as is demonstratiuely proued by them befor is such as is her recited Therfore their seruice not to be communicated with vnder moste damnable and desperate syn Thirdly I argue in this maner whatsoeuer seruyce rite of sacraments or fashion of prayer was condemned by the best learned protestants of England Scotland Fraunce c. to bee foolish trifelinge and by reason apparant to bee disallowed and yett was deuised and allowed by the onely authoritie of an vnlearned childe kinge Edward 6. and Queene Elizabeth a woman not onely repugnant vnto the publicke approued office of our mother and commaundinge church the church of Rome but different from the custome of all protestant churches may not bee communicated withall But the english protestant Seruice and booke of common prayer is such by these protestants themselues Therfore by them not to bee communicated with The maior proposition is euidently true for the seruice that should bee soe receaued by any particular and not commaunding church as the english is not against the vse order and doctrine of all other churches true or pretended must needs bee both scismaticall and hereticall The minor proposition is thus proued first that the english protestant seruice is repugnant vnto the publicke seruice of the latine greeke Armenian other auntient churches it is euident by their liturgies Masses litanies c. conteining the doctrines Miss S. Iacobi Chrisâ— Basil Aethiopum Mussarob Gregor c Couell against Burg pag. 69. of transsubstantiation prayer to Saints for the deade c. how it differeth from other protestant churches and was condemned by the best learned protestants of them is thus proued by protestants them selues First D. Couell writeth in these words The protestant Bishop of London Ridley a cheefe martyr with M. Foxe wrote vnto M. Grindall after their protestant Arâ—hbishop of Canterbury that a man of witâ— and learninge may finde to make apparant reasons against the booke of common prayer Then I may first conclude that this their pseudomartyr practizing that Booke and seruice against witt and learninge was either vnlearned and wittles or without Religion grace and conscience or both as others succeding vnto him bee by his Censure and such Booke and seruice not to bee communicated with And to shew that this opinion of their Bishop Ridley was not singular but common amonge those first protestants he writeth thus in another treatise The first protestants of this kingdome in a letter Couell â—xaÌ„ pag. 72. subscribed with eleuen of their hands whereof Knoxe Gilby Whittingam Goodman were foure moste of them suerly hauing both learninge iudgment call the english protestant Ceremonies trifles and superfluous Ceremonies From whence I first conclude that their seruice soe censured with soe many learned and iudicious men as this protestant esteemeth them may not bee communâ—cated with Secondly I conclude this their protestant Religion and seruice to bee new against all former churches and ages and soe hereticall For hee calleth those Censurers of the communion Booke first deuised vnder kinge Edward 6. The first protestants of this kingdome Therefore this their
corruptions of our church and practise of the prelates as appeareth by the testimonie of the deane of the Chapell And yett his cunninge hath serued him and his Conscience suffereth him to bee a greate Bishop Offer sup pag. 29. D. G. Abbot ag Hill p. 101. 102. 94. 106. 236 237. Povvell ag Apol. epiâ—â— pa. 52 c. 48. Doue persuas pa. 32 Suâ—cl against kell pag 42. Middleton pap pa. 201 Will Antil pa 15. p 20 â—ovvell â—oÌ„sider pa 17. Wottâ— dâ—f of Perk. p. 28. Feild pag. 170. Morton satisf p 18. Abridgm pag. 39. amonge them And thus it further followeth in that protestant Author Noe honâ—stie was vsed in that Relation it seemes by the whole manadgenge of yt that it vvas vnderâ—and plotted and procured by the prelates themselues abusing therein his maâ—estie and vsinge M. Galloway as an instrument in the matter to the end that they might haue the more colour for their intended proceedinge Wee haue hard before how constantly and vniformely both their Bishops parlamentarie and puritane protestants haue written that they all agree in all materiall and substantiall points and as their Archbishop of Canterbury absolutely affirmeth noe Goliath against tâ—em can proue the contrary And an other hath with publicke priuiledge these words none but Papists affirme tâ—at â—rotestants and puritanâ—s differ in substantiall points of fâ—â—theâ— and hee lyeth which saith tâ—ey differ in subsiautiall â—oints And such is the common and generall assertion both of the parlamenâ—arie and puritane protestants as is euident before and may appeare by these their Citations and others to many to bee related wâ—en they write against Catholicks charging them with their diuers intollerable essentiall materiall and fundamentall differences in Religion But when they dispute or write against themselues then if to bee hereticks is to differ in a materiall fundamentall or essentiall point as they write in these words Hereticks are neither simple infidells nor idolaters but obstinately â—rring in some fundament all point Protestants and puritans doe thus differ for either hath condemned others befor for Hereticks Therfore to affirme it is not a lye Bâ—t they which both affirme and deny it to serue their vse and delude their readers are prophane lyers and dissemblers in Religion and soe not to bee imitated but auoyded Againe the puritans condemne the protetestant Bishops for essentiall poynts and make them moste damned and hellish people together with their ministers and adherents as is manifest before And the protestant Bishops followers haue in diuers publicke canons made the state of puritans excommunication ipso ConstitutioÌ„ c. can ecclesiast An. 1604. can 3. can 4. can 5. can 6. caÌ„ 7. can 8. caÌ„ 9. can 10. can 11. can 12. can 4. can 5. can 6. can 7. câ—n 8. facto And to shew that they doe not thus Censure them for things not essentiall but verie essentiall materiall and fundamentall things questioned betweene them some of their opinions bee there thus expressed the worship in the church in England is corrupt superstitious vnlawfull repugnant to the scriptures and in sacraments The articles of their religion are erroneous their rites Antichristian gouernment of the church of england vnder his maiestie by Archbishops Bishops dâ—anes c. Antichristian and repugnant to the word of God The forme and maner of makinge and consecratinge Bishops â—reists and deacons is repugnant to the vvord of God They vvhoe are made Bishops preists or deacons in that forme are not lavvfully made nor ought to bee accompted either by themselues or others to bee truely either Bishops preists or deacons c. Therefore soe many Excommunications ipso facto in number seuen together with soe essentiall differences must needs bee materiall points putting a man as they think ordeyne out of the church and soe out of all hope of saluation as they haue taught before Further D. Couell setteth downe these protestants doctrine in this maner The Gouernment Couell ag Burg. p. 33. bâ— Elders and the Pressbitery is the expresse commaundement of God and as essentiall as either the worde or Sacraments And agâ—â—ne Tâ—e discipline Couell exaÌ„ pag. 36. is an essentiall note of the churche men are martyres in that quarrell as well as for the defence of any article of the Christian faithe M. Oâ—merod Ormer pict purit f. 4. relateth their opinion in this maner Certaine of the things which puritaneâ— stand vppon are such as that euery hayre of their â—eade were a life they ought to offor them for the defence of them Hee hath told vs before how they haue Ormer dial 1. reuiued allmost all old heresies and besides their opinions haue their tricks qualities and conditions Then if protestants differ not from them in any essentiall thinge they ioyne with them in those heresies They are to vse his words Apostolicks Aerians Popuzians Petrobrusians Floâ—inians Cerinthians Nazarens Beguardines â—biâ—nits Catababdiâ—es Catharists Iouinianists c. too mâ—ny to bee recited Therefore hee speaketh thus puritans differ from protestants in things fundamentall and substantiall puritans Ormerod dial 2. doe not agree with protestants in all matters of substance Therefore seing these men bee not papists they must needs bee notorious lyers and deceauers in spirituall things M. Parkes in his Epistle dedicatorie to their late Archbishop of Canterbury writeth thus The Creede Parkes epist dedicat it selfe which hath allwayes beene the very badge and Cognizance whereby to discerne and knowe the faithfull from vnbeleeuers Christians from heathens and Catholickes from hereticks is the mayne point in question Then they agree not in all things essentiall and fundamentall for besides this hee addeth puritanes seeke to vndermyne the foundation of faith Therefore speakinge Parkes p. 3. oâ— protestants and puritanes seducing tâ—e ignorant as though they agreed in all essentiall things hee writeth in these words To deceaue Parkes pag. 89. the worlde and make men beleeue there is agrâ—ement in all substantiall points they affirme that there is noe question amonge them of the Iacob reas epist. dedic truthe M. Iacob giueth this Censure Tâ—ey are vayne wordes of men vnaduised yea of corrupt mindes and studing to flatter which cease not to inculcate that the things in question are indifferent Iacob reas pag. 75. and arbitrary The matters in question are far from matters indifferent or arbitrarie but are in deede very greately importinge the common pag. 82. sup saluation These things are far from indifferent matters or small triflâ—s in the churches as some soâ—d men suggâ—st and â—ill reiterate tâ—ey are directly contrâ—â—y to Gods worde preiudiciall and dishonerable to Holy caâ—linge and pernitious to the soules of all the Christianâ— in the land Their Supplication Supplicat An 1606. Argum 5. Offer of Cons pa. 3. saâ—â—h their cause is â—hole Christ The protestant Authors of the offer of Conference say the prâ—positions offered to bee disputed contayne in them the nature of Christs true visible churche
Ministery and worship The protestant Authors of the defence of the ministers reasons Defencâ— epist dediâ— for refusall of subscription tell vs very many points are contrary to the word of God And add in this maner if the Questions bee of noe substance toyes and trifles what meaneth such vrdginge and pressing of tâ—em and the more sâ—uere punishingâ— of the not obseruinge them then of the weightiest matters not of our lawe but of the lavve of God it selfe vvâ—at meane all those dyuers and lardge treatises dayly published by them that call them trifles in tâ—eir defence if trifles soe seriously to mayntayne them argueth want of iudgment to knovve vvhat is meete to bee done They might haue added alsoe want of Religion and iustice to denounce soe many seuerall excommunications for things not materiall as before are cited Neither can the condition of these men by any morall iudgment in their owne proceedings bee otherwise for hauing generally by their allowed Articles princes letters patents Statutes and such protestant Consistories vncanonized diuers bookes of holy scriptures condemning diuers of their errors denyed diâ—â—ne traditions the vnwritten worde of God the infallible authoritie and iudgment of generall Councells in matters of faithe the supreame commaunding power of the Apostolicke See of Rome endowed with greatest priuiledges from Christ our Sauiour not regarding the doctrine of the learned primatiue fathers but condemning these and all Churches of Error in Religion and fantastically making their owne priuate spirits erroneous iudgment and deductions from false translations of scriptures They must needs fall to these prophane absurdities of lying deceauing willfull corruptions falsifications and the like vngodly and vnchristian dealings or els manifest and lay open their Heresies and moste straunge innouations to the vewe of the whole worlde euen the moste simple and ignorant whome they haue abused and seduced by such practizes I will onely exemplifie in towe protestant writers D. Willet and M Parkes both writing with priuiledge and publicke allowance one against the other and either of them taxing the other in this kinde of impietie as followeth M. Parkes writing but against one little booke published by this D. Willet named Lymbomastix denyinge the Article of Christs discent into hell hath these words Holy scripture is much Parâ—es sect 5. 8. pag 14 144 1â—9 71. sect 22. 5. 7. abused corrupted and straungely peruerted they intrude into the text the holy scriptures are belyed the scripture abused falsefyed the originall greeke yt selfe clyppâ—d in citing scriptures words are left out they inuert the scriptures to serue their turne Holy scripture is much abused straungely peruerted notoriously depraued belyed manifestly wrested c. How holy fathers and such authorities are delt with by this doctor in that treatise Parkes sup against lymb p. 70 151 def of 3. test sect 〈…〉 def of 1. 2 test p 2 â— seâ—t 18 21 p 181. 166. 101. 100. def of 2â— place sect 10 11. 20. def of 3. test sâ—ct 7. 12. 15. 16 c pag. 7. 10 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24 25. pag. 28. def of 1. 2. 3. testim c. Parâ—â—s Apolog sup epist. dedic hee writeth thus Hee condemneth all the auntient fathers for dreamers condemneth all the fathers Hee condemneth all learneb and Godly diuiâ—as for enemies of Christs crosse and blaâ—pâ—emâ—rs of his passion Hee iustifieth mâ—ste wickeâ— Hereticks and condemneth moste holy fathers Hâ—e falsely translateth corrupteth indignely hanâ—letâ— clippeth shamely corrupteth iniuriously hanâ—leth greately abuseth vntruely alleadgeth mayneth mistranslateth much abuseth notably corrupteth c. S. Augustine Origen S. Ambrose S. Chrisostome S. Leo S. Hierome Tertullian S Bernard c. And speaking generally of their protestant writers hee writeth in this maner Euery man maketh Religion the handmayde of his affections Wee may say novv that there are soe many faithes as vvills and soe many doctrines as maners of men vvhiles either vvee vvrite them as vvee list or vnderstand them as vvee please in soe much that many are brought to their vvitts ends not knowinge what to doe Men say they know wâ—ome to flye but whome to follow they cannot tell This age is the last and worst wherin heresie and infidelitie ioyne and labour to subuert and ouerthrowe all grounds of Christian Religion by their doctrine and life their moste zelous followers are become irreligeous to God irreuerent towards man discentious in opinions disorderous in maners Religion it selfe is brought to a matter of meere dispute and altercation Not without feare leaste it befall vnto vs as it did vnto the builders of babel or to the brethren of Gadines For as the end of scisme is sect 16. heresie soe is the end of heresie Atheisme The profession of the Ghospell is made a cloke wherewith to couer the sowle prophanation of yt Hitherto some testimonies from M. Parkes The Citations of like nature from his Aduersarie protestant D. Willet are too many and tedious in this kinde to bee related Therefore to giue some coniecture of them I will onely sett downe the Title of his booke which followeth in this Willet titu Lordoromast maner Loidoromastix that is a scourge for a Rayler conteyning a full and sufficient Answeare vnto the vnchristian Raylings slaunders vntruthes and other iniurious imputations vented of late by one Richard Parkes â—aster of arts against the Author of Lymbomastix wherein three â—undred Raylings errors contradictions falsisications of fathers corruptions of scripture â—ith other grosse ouersights are obserued out of the saide vncharitable discourse by Andâ—â—vv Willet Professor of â—iuinitie Hitherto the onely Title of this priuiledged protestant Booke What stuffe is conteyned in the whole worke of this kâ—â—de and how common a thinge it is for protestant writers to dissemble corrupt falsefie mistranslate miâ—apply c. scriptures fathers and other authorities to aduantage their cause by such deâ—linges may bee iudged by publicke priuiledge and allowance giuen to such writings Therefore I shall lawfully conclude this qâ—estion with thes words of M. Ormerod concerningâ— Ormer pict purit g. 4. protestants They fill the margents of their bookes fâ—ll of places of scriptureâ— in a wrong sence that â—y this meanes â—â—ey might more easely deceaue the simple people they neâ—ther care for maior minor nor conclusion soâ— they may say some thinge theâ— point their mergent with sâ—amefull abuâ—nge of scripture And to shew these dealings to bee vsuall nor onely in obscurer places but in their vniâ—ersiâ—ie themselues cheefâ—st places of learninge amonge â—â—em in the epistle dedicatorie of the same worke hee writeth thus There is a straunge maner of preaching Ormer sup pict purâ— epist. dâ—â—ic in vse in many places â—othe in tâ—e vniuersities and els wâ—ere 〈◊〉 tâ—ough thâ— puâ—pit were but a sâ—â—â—â—olde in which the preaâ—â—er like a Mastâ—r â—ssâ—nce were to play his prizes and as though the scripture were but a rattle for Children and fooles to make sporte withall hee tosseth it hither and thither and will not sayle to