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thereof_o or_o not_o 3._o what_o be_v the_o note_n of_o it_o 4._o whither_o we_o be_v to_o judge_v all_o the_o member_n of_o this_o large_a church_n to_o be_v true_a believer_n 5._o if_o this_o universal_a church_n be_v visible_a than_o i_o will_v know_v of_o he_o why_o there_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v proportionable_a to_o it_o a_o universal_a ministry_n and_o gouvernment_n i_o suppose_v he_o will_v be_v willing_a to_o give_v a_o direct_a answer_n unto_o these_o thing_n because_o he_o profess_v to_o have_v a_o great_a desire_n to_o inform_v his_o opposite_a brethren_n in_o the_o truth_n pref._n the_o next_o scripture_n be_v coloss_n 4.17_o and_o say_v to_o archippus_n take_v heed_n to_o the_o ministry_n which_o thou_o have_v receive_v of_o the_o lord_n that_o thou_o full_o fill_v it_o to_o this_o he_o say_v nothing_o but_o refer_v the_o reader_n to_o the_o answer_n make_v to_o the_o former_a allegation_n only_o he_o
gather_v some_o observation_n from_o the_o place_n now_o for_o i_o to_o answer_v his_o nothing_o with_o some_o thing_n it_o be_v worth_a nothing_o therefore_o i_o will_v pass_v this_o scripture_n over_o notwithstanding_o i_o think_v fit_a take_v a_o example_n from_o he_o to_o set_v down_o some_o note_n also_o 1._o if_o the_o ministry_n ought_v to_o be_v fullfil_v then_o must_v not_o minister_n mar_v their_o doctrine_n with_o passion_n gird_v spiteful_a speech_n wilful_a opposition_n across_o teach_v &c._n &c._n of_o purpose_n to_o discountenance_v the_o truth_n and_o to_o hinder_v the_o growth_n of_o knowledge_n and_o sincerity_n 2._o they_o ought_v not_o offensive_o to_o publish_v unto_o the_o world_n the_o personal_a and_o secret_a fealing_n of_o brethren_n but_o in_o the_o spirit_n of_o meekness_n private_o seek_v to_o restore_v they_o 3._o in_o their_o writing_n they_o shall_v not_o set_v down_o untruth_n and_o slander_n continual_a beg_n of_o the_o question_n many_o word_n for_o that_o which_o be_v never_o doubt_v of_o and_o not_o a_o word_n to_o prove_v the_o point_n in_o question_n but_o contrariwise_o by_o the_o scripture_n sound_o convince_v the_o gaine-say_a ult_n act._n 18._o ult_n 4._o they_o ought_v not_o to_o bring_v man_n devise_n into_o the_o congregation_n and_o there_o to_o set_v they_o up_o as_o part_v of_o god_n worship_n 5._o if_o the_o people_n must_v say_v to_o archippus_n take_v heed_n etc._n etc._n then_o must_v not_o minister_n when_o they_o be_v admonish_v for_o their_o unsound_a doctrine_n and_o bad_a gouvernment_n reject_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o shroud_v themselves_o under_o the_o arm_n of_o flesh_n of_o purpose_n to_o continue_v in_o their_o evil_a course_n last_o if_o they_o must_v fulfil_v their_o ministry_n then_o shall_v they_o not_o in_o their_o old_a age_n be_v worse_o in_o life_n and_o doctrine_n than_o they_o be_v in_o former_a time_n as_o mr._n paget_n think_v it_o needful_a that_o his_o collection_n shall_v be_v observe_v so_o let_v every_o godly_a minister_n consider_v whither_o it_o be_v not_o meet_v that_o each_o of_o these_o thing_n shall_v be_v due_o regard_v of_o they_o the_o three_o scripture_n be_v take_v from_o 1._o pet._n 5.2_o feed_v the_o elock_n of_o god_n which_o be_v among_o you_o take_v the_o oversight_n thereof_o etc._n etc._n to_o this_o he_o first_o answer_v that_o shepherd_n for_o the_o defence_n and_o benefit_n of_o their_o flock_n etc._n etc._n have_v reason_n to_o combine_v themselves_o together_o for_o the_o performance_n of_o some_o work_n of_o their_o call_n towards_o the_o endanger_a sheep_n of_o other_o flock_n as_o appear_v esa_n 34.1_o luk._n 2.8_o gen._n 29.2.8_o answ_n he_o wrap_v his_o own_o foot_n in_o the_o snare_n he_o lay_v for_o another_o for_o the_o similitude_n as_o he_o here_o apply_v it_o make_v against_o himself_o altogether_o for_o 1._o shepherd_n be_v not_o simple_o tie_v to_o combine_v themselves_o together_o 2._o neither_o do_v they_o it_o but_o on_o some_o special_a occasion_n 3._o for_o the_o combination_n itself_o it_o be_v not_o to_o exercise_v authority_n over_o each_o other_o flock_n but_o joint_o to_o help_v one_o another_o in_o common_a case_n to_o make_v now_o the_o comparison_n hold_v in_o proportion_n minister_n of_o sundry_a congregation_n be_v not_o absolute_o bind_v to_o combine_v themselves_o together_o neither_o may_v they_o so_o do_v but_o upon_o some_o occasion_n and_o touch_v the_o combination_n itself_o it_o must_v not_o be_v to_o exercise_v any_o power_n over_o each_o other_o congregation_n but_o either_o for_o mutual_a assistance_n to_o resist_v the_o common_a adversary_n or_o to_o discuss_v and_o consider_v of_o matter_n for_o their_o better_a go_v forward_o in_o piety_n and_o godliness_n and_o this_o which_o i_o say_v be_v the_o judgement_n of_o our_o best_a divine_n we_o do_v say_v d._n whitaker_n confident_o affirm_v that_o at_o the_o first_o church_n be_v gouvern_v only_o by_o their_o own_o minister_n 14._o conir_fw-fr 4._o quaest_n 1._o cap._n 1._o p._n 14._o and_o be_v not_o subject_v to_o other_o church_n or_o minister_n not_o colosse_n to_o ephesus_n not_o philippi_n to_o thessalonica_n not_o these_o to_o rome_n nor_o rome_n to_o any_o other_o but_o they_o have_v all_o equal_a power_n in_o themselves_o that_o be_v independent_a jurisdiction_n and_o gouvernment_n neither_o do_v they_o seek_v authority_n otherwhere_o either_o from_o praelate_n or_o pope_n two_o thing_n our_o of_o these_o word_n may_v be_v gather_v 1._o that_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v all_o independent_a body_n not_o subject_v to_o any_o other_o superior_a ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n then_o unto_o that_o which_o be_v within_o themselves_o 2._o it_o be_v not_o the_o manner_n of_o member_n to_o carry_v matter_n away_o from_o their_o own_o church_n unto_o man_n of_o other_o church_n under_o a_o pretence_n that_o they_o have_v authority_n above_o their_o own_o eldership_n and_o congregation_n notwithstanding_o contrary_a to_o the_o first_o of_o these_o be_v mr._n pagets_n profession_n to_o the_o late_a his_o practice_n but_o how_o able_a he_o be_v either_o to_o refute_v mr._n whitaker_n herein_o or_o to_o justify_v himself_o we_o shall_v hear_v hereafter_o for_o hitherto_o he_o have_v be_v silent_a in_o it_o to_o his_o second_o answer_n that_o the_o word_n translate_v feed_v do_v also_o signify_v to_o rule_v and_o gouverne_v i_o grant_v it_o again_o where_o he_o say_v if_o this_o kind_n of_o feed_v be_v restrain_v unto_o one_o congregation_n then_o be_v all_o the_o authority_n and_o gouvernment_n of_o church_n by_o class_n and_o synod_n overthrow_v thereby_o this_o i_o grant_v too_o and_o further_o that_o it_o be_v unlawful_a for_o assembly_n of_o minister_n to_o exercise_v any_o act_n of_o power_n in_o any_o congregation_n beside_o their_o own_o what_o do_v now_o follow_v in_o his_o opinion_n then_o minister_n say_v he_o may_v not_o give_v their_o voice_n for_o the_o decision_n of_o controversy_n in_o any_o congregation_n beside_o their_o own_o contrary_a to_o the_o use_n of_o this_o word_n of_o feed_v apply_v to_o such_o in_o israel_n as_o exercise_v some_o act_n of_o their_o ministry_n for_o the_o help_n and_o benefit_n of_o divers_a congregation_n as_o ezek._n 34.2_o etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o do_v not_o mr._n paget_n see_v any_o difference_n between_o a_o minister_n give_v of_o his_o voice_n for_o the_o decision_n of_o a_o controversy_n and_o exercise_v a_o act_n of_o power_n in_o another_o congregation_n beside_o his_o own_o indeed_o it_o seem_v that_o he_o do_v not_o and_o therefore_o most_o confuse_o have_v here_o join_v they_o together_o but_o other_o man_n can_v see_v otherwise_o and_o teach_v otherwise_o too_o they_o can_v put_v a_o plain_a distinction_n between_o a_o minister_n give_v advise_v and_o council_n in_o the_o matter_n of_o other_o church_n and_o exercise_v authority_n and_o power_n over_o they_o touch_v this_o point_n learned_o write_v basil_n 52._o basil_n epist_n 48._o &_o 52._o cirill_n celestin_n cirill_n epist_n 18._o ad_fw-la celestin_n socrates_n 2.14.21.30_o socrates_n lib._n 1._o c._n 2.14.21.30_o athanius_fw-la 2._o athanius_fw-la apolog._n 2._o theodoret_n 8_o theodoret_n lib._n 2._o c._n 8_o sozomen_n 10._o sozomen_n l._n 3._o c._n 10._o mr._n parker_n 335._o parker_n polit._n eccl._n l._n 3._o p._n 335._o also_o affirm_v that_o when_o a_o congregation_n seek_v unto_o other_o for_o assistance_n it_o be_v not_o for_o office_n to_o determine_v but_o for_o their_o gift_n and_o estimation_n not_o to_o receive_v precept_n but_o only_o for_o their_o consent_n council_n and_o approbation_n and_o for_o confirmation_n of_o this_o he_o name_v b._n jewel_n d._n rainolds_n and_o other_o which_o have_v write_v the_o same_o here_o let_v it_o be_v observe_v that_o when_o we_o use_v the_o like_a speech_n in_o our_o protestation_n viz._n that_o we_o do_v reverentlie_o esteem_v of_o the_o classis_fw-la for_o council_n and_o advise_v in_o all_o difficult_a matter_n etc._n etc._n mr._n paget_n very_o angry_o tell_v we_o that_o this_o be_v but_o a_o lame_a halt_v and_o half_a reverence_n no_o more_o than_o that_o mr._n jacob_n and_o his_o company_n do_v give_v to_o class_n and_o synod_n yea_o the_o brownist_n themselves_o do_v seem_v to_o give_v as_o much_o not_o to_o speak_v any_o thing_n of_o his_o gibe_a we_o say_v this_o be_v as_o much_o as_o god_n require_v of_o we_o and_o therefore_o we_o may_v not_o give_v more_o unto_o they_o i_o know_v mr._n paget_n will_v take_v this_o ill_a for_o he_o love_v not_o to_o be_v so_o straight_o lase_v as_o to_o have_v his_o authority_n confine_v within_o in_o one_o congregation_n but_o let_v he_o remember_v though_o adam_n find_v more_o room_n when_o he_o be_v cast_v out_o of_o paradise_n than_o within_o yet_o his_o condition_n i_o suppose_v be_v never_o the_o more_o comfortable_a for_o that_o 2._o for_o the_o place_n in_o ezek._n
congregation_n therefore_o no_o pastor_n can_v right_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n but_o in_o his_o own_o congregation_n the_o last_o of_o this_o argument_n which_o only_o may_v be_v doubt_v of_o i_o prove_v thus_o that_o which_o be_v a_o proper_a work_n of_o a_o apostle_n be_v not_o to_o be_v do_v by_o any_o ordinary_a minister_n to_o administer_v officiallie_o in_o more_o congregation_n than_o one_o be_v a_o proper_a work_n of_o a_o apostle_n therefore_o etc._n etc._n the_o proposition_n be_v certain_a the_o assumption_n be_v teach_v general_o by_o learned_a man_n for_o in_o this_o very_a thing_n they_o do_v distinguish_v ordinary_a minister_n from_o apostle_n the_o first_o be_v tie_v to_o one_o only_a flock_n the_o late_a have_a power_n and_o liberty_n to_o exercise_v their_o ministry_n any_o where_o plain_o to_o this_o purpose_n write_v d._n whitaker_n the_o apostle_n say_v he_o receive_v the_o kee_n from_o christ_n and_o power_n of_o teach_v and_o remit_v sin_n as_o common_a bishop_n of_o the_o whole_a world_n but_o all_o other_o of_o their_o own_o church_n in_o these_o thing_n therefore_o which_o the_o apostle_n have_v extraordinary_o bishop_n succeed_v they_o not_o that_o be_v in_o that_o power_n which_o be_v true_o and_o proper_o apostolical_a mark_v what_o he_o count_v apostolical_a namely_o to_o be_v a_o common_a bishop_n that_o be_v to_o exercise_v a_o power_n in_o more_o church_n than_o one_o here_o i_o will_v pass_v over_o rom._n 14.5.23_o because_o i_o find_v nothing_o in_o his_o answer_n which_o concern_v the_o matter_n in_o controversy_n between_o we_o the_o scripture_n follow_v be_v these_o viz._n act._n 11.21.26_o gen._n 17.10_o rom._n 4.11_o act._n 2.39_o but_o before_o he_o come_v to_o answer_v those_o scripture_n in_o particular_a he_o make_v a_o great_a complaint_n unto_o the_o reader_n against_o mr._n davenport_n and_o his_o opposite_a brethren_n for_o some_o unjust_a do_v in_o the_o question_n between_o they_o and_o their_o trespass_n be_v because_o they_o have_v say_v promiscuous_a baptise_v of_o all_o infant_n without_o difference_n hence_o he_o raise_v this_o observation_n a_o man_n that_o read_v their_o writing_n may_v easy_o be_v bring_v to_o doubt_v whither_o turk_n or_o jew_n mahometist_n or_o heathen_n or_o infidel_n of_o what_o nation_n or_o sect_n soever_o do_v sometime_o present_a their_o child_n to_o baptism_n and_o that_o it_o be_v the_o custom_n of_o the_o dutch_a church_n to_o baptise_v such_o be_v present_v answ_n i_o will_v not_o contend_v with_o he_o whither_o it_o may_v be_v possible_a that_o any_o shall_v be_v such_o simplician_o as_o to_o make_v so_o groundless_a a_o inference_n but_o this_o i_o say_v and_o will_v prove_v it_o also_o that_o mr._n paget_n go_v about_o to_o deceive_v his_o reader_n in_o that_o he_o will_v have_v they_o to_o conceive_v that_o it_o be_v not_o their_o manner_n to_o baptise_v all_o infant_n bring_v to_o they_o but_o they_o make_v a_o distinction_n admit_v some_o other_o not_z and_o whither_o this_o be_v so_o i_o appeal_v to_o his_o own_o conscience_n be_v not_o bastard_n receive_v constant_o to_o baptism_n if_o the_o parent_n be_v know_v to_o be_v drunkard_n swearer_n blasphemer_n excommunicate_n heretic_n etc._n etc._n notwithstanding_o their_o child_n be_v still_o baptize_v if_o they_o be_v bring_v to_o the_o congregation_n yea_o more_o than_o this_o if_o the_o parent_n come_v not_o at_o all_o to_o nod_v the_o head_n of_o which_o thing_n we_o shall_v speak_v hereafter_o yet_o this_o hinder_v not_o the_o infant_n baptise_v for_o it_o be_v enough_o if_o a_o girrle_n of_o 16_o or_o 17_o year_n do_v bring_v it_o and_o there_o bow_v with_o the_o rest_n to_o some_o question_n propound_v to_o they_o now_o then_o let_v all_o judicious_a reader_n judge_v if_o we_o have_v not_o just_a cause_n to_o name_v it_o a_o promiscuous_a baptise_v see_v as_o i_o say_v those_o which_o be_v not_o member_n of_o any_o congregation_n nor_o worship_n god_n in_o any_o congregation_n but_o live_v rather_o without_o god_n in_o the_o world_n make_v a_o mock_n of_o sin_n and_o count_v it_o their_o grace_n that_o they_o be_v graceless_a even_o those_o vile_a varlet_n when_o they_o will_v may_v have_v their_o seed_n baptize_v i_o say_v as_o free_o and_o ordinary_o as_o those_o which_o be_v member_n and_o man_n know_v to_o fear_n god_n as_o for_o his_o mention_v of_o turk_n jew_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v vain_o do_v for_o all_o know_v that_o such_o do_v not_o present_v their_o child_n to_o our_o baptism_n and_o therefore_o i_o wish_v he_o hereafter_o rather_o in_o sincerity_n to_o seek_v the_o truth_n then_o with_o shift_n cavil_v and_o evasion_n the_o maintenance_n of_o his_o case_n and_o credit_n notwithstanding_o this_o i_o must_v tell_v he_o i_o be_o very_o persuade_v that_o it_o will_v require_v all_o the_o wit_n and_o skill_n mr._n paget_n have_v to_o prove_v that_o such_o parent_n who_o child_n he_o and_o other_o sometime_o baptise_v be_v not_o a_o 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3.5_o erastus_n 18.24_o erastus_n de_fw-fr excom_n p._n 18.24_o melancton_n 383._o melancton_n loc._n com._n pag._n 383._o keckerman_n 453._o keckerman_n system_fw-la theol._n l._n 3._o p._n 453._o speak_v of_o the_o lawfullnes_n of_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n give_v this_o as_o the_o reason_n of_o it_o viz._n because_o they_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n the_o like_a say_n we_o find_v in_o a_o book_n name_v a_o general_a confession_n of_o christian_a church_n because_o god_n receive_v into_o his_o church_n the_o child_n with_o the_o father_n we_o say_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o christ_n infant_n beget_v of_o faithful_a parent_n aught_o to_o be_v baptize_v also_o beza_n 7.14_o beza_n in_o 1._o cor._n 7.14_o say_v such_o as_o do_v permit_v all_o child_n to_o be_v baptize_v do_v a_o thing_n unheard_a off_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n neither_o may_v tertullians_n testimony_n be_v omit_v speak_v as_o junius_n interpret_v he_o of_o such_o child_n as_o be_v stranger_n from_o the_o covenant_n of_o god_n let_v they_o come_v when_o they_o be_v grow_v to_o year_n let_v they_o come_v when_o they_o have_v learn_v and_o be_v teach_v wherefore_o they_o come_v let_v they_o then_o be_v make_v christian_n when_o they_o can_v know_v christ_n moreover_o this_o be_v the_o unanimous_a confession_n of_o all_o the_o reform_a church_n to_o wit_n that_o baptism_n appertain_v to_o such_o infant_n as_o be_v in_o the_o church_n and_o bear_v of_o believer_n and_o for_o this_o reason_n they_o say_v they_o administer_v unto_o they_o the_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n viz._n because_o with_o their_o parent_n they_o be_v receive_v into_o the_o church_n thus_o write_v the_o church_n of_o saxony_n 18._o saxony_n harm_n conf._n art_n 18._o bohemia_n 12._o bohemia_n chapt._n 12._o france_n 35._o france_n art_n 35._o scotland_n 24._o scotland_n harm_n conf._n p._n 24._o helvetia_n 20.21_o helvetia_n art_n 20.21_o and_o belgcik_n 34._o belgcik_n art_n 34._o object_n 1._o but_o this_o 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they_o say_v no_o other_o judge_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n than_o god_n himself_o pronounce_v in_o his_o word_n 2._o by_o this_o custom_n they_o give_v the_o anabaptist_n great_a advantage_n and_o nihilate_v the_o best_a argument_n which_o our_o divine_n use_v against_o they_o for_o the_o lawfullnes_n of_o baptise_v of_o infant_n and_o that_o this_o be_v so_o let_v it_o be_v observe_v that_o the_o reason_n which_o they_o in_o this_o point_n do_v stick_v most_o too_o be_v this_o namely_o that_o child_n of_o christian_n by_o the_o same_o warrant_n 223._o warrant_n calv._n in_o mat._n 18._o v._n 10._o gerhard_n harm_n euang_n c._n 12._o pag._n 352._o cent._n 1._o l._n 2._o c._n 4._o p._n 355._o d._n willet_n on_o rom._n 6._o p._n 303._o cartwr_n christ_n rel._n c._n 37._o p._n 223._o be_v now_o to_o be_v baptize_v that_o the_o infant_n under_o the_o law_n be_v circumcise_v now_o i_o have_v prove_v before_o
effect_n the_o very_a same_o speech_n so_o mr._n cartwright_n 26._o cartwright_n repl._n to_o whitg_n l._n 1._o p._n 25._o 26._o and_o b._n bilson_n 148._o bilson_n perpet_n gouvernm_fw-la pag._n 3._o eccl._n polit._n l._n 4._o p._n 148._o likewise_o hooker_n give_v a_o reason_n for_o it_o namely_o because_o the_o first_o state_n of_o thing_n be_v best_a etc._n etc._n and_o therefore_o it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o custom_n law_n and_o ordinance_n deuâ—sed_v since_o be_v not_o so_o good_a for_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n but_o the_o best_a way_n be_v to_o cut_v off_o late_a invention_n and_o to_o reduce_v thing_n unto_o the_o ancient_a state_n wherein_o at_o the_o first_o they_o be_v and_o this_o agree_v with_o tertullians_n 5._o tertullians_n cont._n mar._n l._n 4._o c._n 5._o say_v of_o old_a that_o be_v true_a which_o be_v first_o that_o be_v first_o which_o be_v from_o the_o beginning_n that_o be_v from_o the_o beginning_n which_o be_v from_o the_o apostle_n argument_n ii_o if_o christ_n in_o mat._n 18.17_o where_o he_o say_v tell_v the_o church_n do_v mean_v a_o particular_a congregation_n then_o have_v every_o particular_a congregation_n a_o entire_a power_n in_o and_o of_o itself_o to_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n and_o all_o other_o god_n spiritual_a ordinance_n but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o the_o proposition_n be_v clear_a and_o certain_a maintain_v by_o the_o most_o judicious_a divine_n viz._n vrsinus_n 534._o vrsinus_n explica_fw-la p._n 2._o p._n 534._o zwinglius_fw-la 8._o zwinglius_fw-la explan_n act._n 8._o d._n andrew_n 42._o andrew_n tort._n tort_fw-fr pag._n 42._o chemnitius_n 18.17_o chemnitius_n in_o mat._n 18.17_o aretius_n idem_fw-la aretius_n idem_fw-la pelargius_fw-la idem_fw-la pelargius_fw-la idem_fw-la hunnius_n idem_fw-la hunnius_n idem_fw-la vatablus_n idem_fw-la vatablus_n idem_fw-la munster_n idem_fw-la munster_n idem_fw-la beza_n 13._o beza_n de_fw-fr eccl._n l._n 1._o ca._n 13._o erasmus_n 18._o erasmus_n paraph._n in_o mat._n 18._o d._n whitaker_n 86_o whitaker_n de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n count_v 4._o q_o 1._o p_o 86_o cartwrith_n 18._o cartwrith_n confut._n rhem._n in_o mat._n 18._o d._n fulke_o idem_fw-la fulke_o idem_fw-la parker_n 79._o parker_n polit._n eccl._n l._n 3._o p._n 79._o and_o other_o the_o assumption_n be_v prove_v thus_o that_o church_n which_o christ_n intend_v in_o mat._n 18._o have_v absolute_a power_n in_o and_o of_o itself_o to_o perform_v all_o god_n ordinance_n but_o christ_n intend_v in_o mat._n 18._o a_o particular_a congregation_n therefore_o every_o particular_a congregation_n have_v absolute_a power_n in_o and_o of_o itself_o to_o perform_v all_o god_n ordinance_n moreover_o let_v it_o be_v observe_v that_o this_o church_n in_o mat._n 18._o be_v give_v as_o a_o platform_n or_o example_n unto_o all_o church_n to_o walk_v by_o as_o moses_n be_v to_o make_v the_o ark_n in_o every_o respect_n proportionable_a unto_o the_o pattern_n which_o he_o see_v in_o the_o mount_n even_o so_o etc._n etc._n argument_n iii_o whatsoever_o be_v command_v to_o the_o 7_o church_n to_o be_v practise_v by_o each_o of_o they_o apart_z in_o and_o for_o themselves_o that_o no_o church_n of_o god_n must_v now_o omit_v but_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n be_v command_v to_o the_o 7_o church_n to_o be_v practise_v by_o each_o of_o they_o apart_z in_o and_o for_o themselves_o therefore_o no_o church_n of_o god_n must_v omit_v the_o practice_n of_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n apart_o in_o and_o for_o themselves_o the_o proposition_n can_v be_v doubt_v off_o for_o as_o chytraeus_n 54._o chytraeus_n in_o rev._n c._n 1._o p._n 29._o 54._o artopeus_n 11._o artopeus_n in_o cap._n 1._o p._n 11._o bullinger_n 8._o bullinger_n in_o rev._n 2._o hom._n 8._o brightman_n ch_n brightman_n in_o rev._n 1.2_o &_o 3._o ch_n and_o other_o write_v all_o church_n from_o these_o aught_o to_o learn_v what_o gouvernment_n to_o exercise_v what_o doctrine_n to_o teach_v what_o person_n to_o excommunicate_v who_o to_o receive_v and_o to_o comfort_n and_o the_o like_a the_o assumption_n be_v prove_v clear_o in_o chap._n 2._o ver_fw-la 2.14.20_o etc._n etc._n moreover_o mr._n perkins_n 7._o perkins_n expos_fw-la upon_z ch_z 2._o v._n 20._o &_o ch_n 3._o v._n 7._o speak_v of_o those_o church_n say_v god_n give_v to_o every_o of_o they_o power_n and_o authority_n to_o preach_v the_o word_n administer_v the_o sacrament_n repress_v evil_a man_n decern_v false_a prophet_n &_o to_o exclude_v all_o obstinate_a sinner_n from_o all_o spiritual_a privilege_n among_o they_o argument_n iu._n if_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n have_v power_n and_o authority_n within_o herself_o to_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n yea_o and_o do_v it_o i_o mean_v the_o ministry_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n there_o then_o ought_v not_o particular_a congregation_n now_o to_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o the_o first_o part_n be_v unquestionable_o certain_a and_o of_o this_o judgement_n be_v d._n willet_n 1._o willet_n cont._n 9_o cent._n 1._o d._n fulke_o 5.4_o fulke_o answ_n to_o the_o rhem._n 1_o cor._n 5.4_o zanehy_n 688_o zanehy_n in_o praecep_v 4._o c._n 19_o p._n 688_o bucer_n 9_o bucer_n de_fw-fr regn._n chr._n l._n 1._o c._n 9_o piscator_fw-la 1._o piscator_fw-la in_o 1._o cor._n 5._o obser_n 1._o d._n andrew_n 42._o andrew_n tort._n tor_z pag._n 42._o pet._n martyr_n 5._o martyr_n 1._o cor._n 5._o polanus_fw-la 19_o polanus_fw-la synt._n theo._n l._n 7._o c._n 19_o d._n feild_n 5._o feild_n of_o the_o church_n l._n 1._o c._n 5._o paraeus_n eccom_n paraeus_n in_o 1._o co_z 5_o de_fw-fr eccom_n zwinglius_fw-la comp_n zwinglius_fw-la epichir_n de_fw-fr can._n missae_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la valent_n comp_n and_o other_o again_o whereas_o the_o papist_n and_o hierarchy_n do_v say_v much_o after_n mr._n pagets_n new_a doctrine_n that_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n have_v not_o sole_a and_o alone_a authority_n in_o itself_o to_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n our_o writer_n viz._n mr._n cartwright_n 5.4_o cartwright_n refutat_fw-la rhem._n 1_o cor._n 5.4_o mr._n parker_n etc._n parker_n pol._n eccl._n l._n 3._o c._n 4._o p._n 1._o 7._o 18._o etc._n etc._n &_o other_o do_v sound_o refute_v they_o and_o prove_v the_o contrary_a by_o many_o reason_n the_o latter_a part_n be_v prove_v before_o in_o the_o minor_n of_o the_o 1._o and_o 3_o argument_n argument_n v._o such_o action_n the_o church_n may_v lawful_o do_v wherein_o no_o law_n of_o god_n be_v break_v but_o there_o be_v no_o law_n of_o god_n break_v when_o particular_a congregation_n do_v in_o and_o among_o themselves_o exercise_v all_o god_n ordinance_n therefore_o they_o may_v lawful_o do_v it_o the_o proof_n of_o the_o proposition_n do_v arise_v from_o the_o definition_n of_o sin_n which_o as_o augustine_n 27._o augustine_n cont._n fau._n l._n 22._o c._n 27._o &_o ambrose_n 8_o ambrose_n lib_fw-la de_fw-fr paridis_n c._n 8_o true_o define_v it_o be_v either_o a_o deed_n or_o word_n or_o thought_n against_o some_o divine_a law_n lombard_n 35._o lombard_n lib._n 2._o &_o 35._o aquinas_n 71._o aquinas_n th._n 12._o qu._n 71._o and_o other_o schoolman_n as_o they_o be_v call_v agree_v hereto_o the_o assumption_n be_v manifest_v in_o our_o first_o argument_n the_o first_o part_n of_o it_o argument_n vi._n if_o the_o apostle_n give_v commandment_n unto_o the_o eldership_n of_o ephesus_n for_o the_o whole_a administration_n of_o all_o ordinance_n in_o that_o church_n then_o may_v the_o eldership_n of_o every_o particular_a congregation_n administer_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o the_o major_n be_v prove_v two_o way_n 1._o by_o scripture_n act._n 28._o vers_fw-la 17.28_o 2._o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o learned_a whitaker_n 284._o whitaker_n rom._n pont._n cont._n 4._o qu._n 1._o c._n 1._o p._n 12_o cont._n 2._o qu._n 5._o c._n 6._o pag._n 281._o 284._o the_o minor_a be_v undeniable_a for_o as_o mr._n brightman_n 505._o brightman_n on_o the_o apoc._n ch_n 12_o pag._n 505._o say_v there_o be_v one_o form_n of_o gouvernment_n in_o all_o church_n namely_o that_o that_o be_v deliver_v we_o in_o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o their_o writing_n there_o be_v extant_a at_o this_o present_a divers_a treatise_n etc._n treatise_n see_v park_n pol._n eccl._n l._n 2_o c._n 40._o p._n 324.325_o etc._n etc._n defen_n of_o godly_a min._n agai_o bridg._n slaund_n p._n 133.134_o etc._n etc._n to_o prove_v that_o christ_n have_v institute_v but_o one_o only_a form_n of_o church_n gouvernment_n common_a to_o all_o church_n ordinary_a perpetual_a and_o best_a thus_o we_o have_v prove_v the_o affirmative_a part_n of_o our_o assertion_n to_o wit_n that_o every_o particular_a congregation_n have_v power_n in_o and_o for_o itself_o immediate_o from_o christ_n to_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n and_o all_o other_o religious_a
controversy_n lean_v upon_o it_o i_o will_v speak_v further_o of_o it_o in_o the_o next_o section_n there_o be_v yet_o other_o reason_n to_o prove_v our_o assertion_n the_o which_o i_o will_v here_o lay_v down_o more_o brief_o 1._o if_o every_o eldership_n have_v alike_o and_o equal_a power_n as_o hierome_n ena_n hierome_n ep._n ad_fw-la ena_n cyprian_n eccles_n cyprian_n l._n the_o unitâ—_n eccles_n bucer_n 15._o bucer_n de_fw-fr bâ—gâ—_n chr._n l._n 1._o c._n 15._o and_o other_o affirm_v then_o may_v not_o the_o officer_n of_o one_o congregation_n seek_v by_o authority_n to_o suppress_v the_o act_n and_o decree_v conclude_v in_o another_o 2._o it_o be_v against_o sense_n that_o a_o minister_n shall_v undertake_v the_o care_n of_o more_o church_n than_o one_o only_o who_o read_v in_o scriptute_fw-la of_o a_o steward_n over_o many_o family_n a_o shepherd_n over_o divers_a flock_n etc._n etc._n nature_n have_v ordain_v say_v aristotle_n 2_o aristotle_n lib._n 1._o c._n 2_o one_o unto_o 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epist_n 3._o it_o be_v not_o fit_a that_o they_o over_o who_o the_o holy_a ghost_n have_v make_v we_o overseer_n shall_v go_v too_o and_o fro_o he_o speak_v of_o carry_v matter_n away_o from_o their_o own_o church_n unto_o other_o 35.36_o other_o see_v pag._n 35.36_o 7._o note_v the_o effect_n if_o it_o shall_v be_v otherwise_o which_o be_v that_o every_o particular_a congregation_n must_v hence_o necessary_o loose_v she_o own_o proper_a right_n in_o gouvernment_n and_o so_o of_o a_o mistress_n become_v a_o servant_n in_o stead_n of_o be_v superior_a wilful_o vassal_n and_o enslave_v herself_o which_o thing_n be_v contrary_a to_o god_n will_v reveal_v in_o his_o word_n 2.25_o word_n gal._n 5.1_o 1._o co._n 7.23_o 2._o ti._n 1.13_o heb._n 4.14_o revel_v 2.25_o 8._o see_v the_o apostle_n wheresoever_o they_o constitute_v any_o church_n with_o doctrine_n immediate_o establish_v in_o it_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n 20_o gouvernment_n park_n pol._n eccl_n l._n 1_o 20_o for_o without_o this_o as_o d._n ames_n 214._o ames_n de_fw-fr consc_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 24._o pag._n 214._o say_v there_o can_v have_v be_v no_o conble_n of_o the_o part_n and_o member_n together_o it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v independent_a body_n and_o stand_v not_o under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o now_o how_o mr._n paget_n will_v be_v able_a to_o prove_v a_o change_n of_o this_o gouvernment_n i_o do_v not_o yet_o see_v especial_o consider_v that_o the_o learned_a as_o i_o show_v before_o 72._o before_o pag._n 72._o do_v hold_v that_o there_o be_v but_o one_o certain_a necessary_a and_o perpetual_a form_n and_o manner_n of_o order_v church_n and_o this_o also_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o calvin_n sad._n calvin_n calv._n ad_fw-la sad._n p._n martyr_n 3.21_o martyr_n in_o rom._n 3.21_o d._n bilson_n etc._n bilson_n perp._n gou._n 338._o etc._n etc._n yea_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o church_n of_o france_n 29_o france_n harm_n conf_n art_n 29_o of_o the_o low_a country_n 30._o country_n harm_n art_n 30._o and_o scotland_n church_n scotland_n treat_v of_o the_o discipl_n of_o that_o church_n in_o a_o word_n to_o this_o the_o papist_n 6._o papist_n saunder_n visib_fw-la mon._n l._n 1._o c._n 6._o ascent_n 9_o by_o the_o title_n give_v to_o all_o particular_a congregation_n it_o appear_v evident_o that_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n be_v or_o at_o least_o ought_v to_o be_v in_o every_o one_o of_o they_o distinct_o whole_o entire_o viz._n a_o kingdom_n 3.2_o kingdom_n mat._n 3.2_o family_n 2.19_o family_n eph._n 2.19_o a_o body_n 12.20_o body_n 1._o cor._n 12.20_o a_o queen_n 45._o queen_n psal_n 45._o etc._n etc._n for_o what_o more_o senseless_a then_o to_o say_v a_o kingdom_n or_o family_n stand_v under_o another_o political_a or_o economical_a gouvernment_n out_o of_o themselves_o a_o body_n have_v all_o part_n and_o member_n and_o yet_o may_v neither_o receive_v in_o nor_o put_v out_o without_o another_o leave_n and_o consent_n many_o such_o absurdity_n 38._o absurdity_n see_v park_n pol._n eccl._n 3._o p._n 23._o &_o 321.322_o jun._n eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 4._o d._n whitak_n count_v 4._o qu._n 1._o p._n 38._o follow_v mr._n pagets_n lately-devised_n tenet_n 10._o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostolic_a church_n prove_v direct_o our_o assertion_n for_o it_o be_v without_o all_o contradiction_n that_o they_o elect_v their_o own_o minister_n excommunicate_v offender_n send_v messenger_n and_o perform_v all_o other_o church_n matter_n among_o themselves_o last_o let_v it_o be_v observe_v that_o mr._n paget_n in_o this_o accord_v with_o the_o papist_n 5_o papist_n bellar._n de_fw-fr eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 5_o and_o hierarchy_n other_o hierarchy_n d._n downa_n d._n bridges_n &_o other_o for_o they_o say_v as_o he_o do_v that_o particular_a church_n be_v not_o independent_a body_n but_o stand_v under_o another_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o the_o which_o thing_n our_o writer_n deny_v and_o prove_v the_o contrary_n by_o this_o time_n i_o suppose_v the_o indifferent_a reader_n perceive_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v every_o way_n for_o we_o and_o against_o mr._n paget_n in_o this_o controversy_n betwixt_o we_o now_o he_o shall_v do_v well_o see_v we_o dispute_v about_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n appertain_v to_o life_n and_o salvation_n to_o rest_v in_o they_o as_o the_o only_o touch_v for_o trial_n of_o all_o truth_n notwithstanding_o consider_v he_o make_v so_o much_o a_o do_v about_o the_o multitude_n of_o learned_a and_o godly_a minister_n be_v of_o the_o same_o judgement_n and_o practice_n with_o he_o 73._o pag._n 73._o according_a as_o festus_n know_v paul_n to_o have_v appeal_v unto_o caesar_n do_v reasonable_o resolve_v say_v unto_o caesar_n shall_v thou_o go_v so_o i_o be_o well_o content_v to_o hear_v what_o reverend_a and_o judicious_a author_n do_v say_v herein_o and_o if_o mr._n paget_n will_v stand_v unto_o their_o
testimony_n i_o doubt_v not_o but_o to_o make_v it_o manifest_a that_o as_o the_o scripture_n so_o they_o be_v also_o with_o we_o and_o so_o much_o shall_v be_v declare_v in_o the_o next_o section_n section_n viii_o the_o allegation_n of_o the_o learned_a which_o i_o purpose_v here_o to_o set_v down_o shall_v be_v take_v 1._o from_o papist_n 2._o lutheran_n 3._o calvinist_n 4._o english_a conformist_n 5._o the_o nonconformist_n 6._o ancient_a writer_n and_o last_o the_o confession_n of_o reform_a church_n howsoever_o romes-champion_n 5._o romes-champion_n bellarm._n de_fw-fr verb._n dei_fw-la l._n 3._o c._n 5._o rhem._n in_o mat._n 18.17_o &_o 1_o cor._n 5.2_o aegid_a topi._n conc._n in_o ep._n &_o euangel_n p._n 280._o stapl._n de_fw-fr auth_v eccl._n count_v whita_n c._n 1._o c._n 1._o sect._n 5._o will_v have_v none_o now_o to_o meddle_v with_o church-gouvernment_a but_o priest_n bishop_n prelate_n etc._n etc._n yet_o they_o do_v acknowledge_v that_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n according_a to_o the_o precept_n of_o christ_n in_o mat._n 18._o offender_n after_o the_o first_o and_o second_o admonition_n be_v bring_v to_o the_o whole_a congregation_n meet_v in_o one_o place_n together_o that_o be_v the_o christian_n with_o their_o bishop_n or_o pastor_n and_o there_o if_o they_o continue_v impenitent_a by_o the_o consent_n and_o approbation_n of_o all_o they_o be_v excommunicate_v by_o the_o minister_n 134_o minister_n scult_v hier._n anar_n l._n 11._o p._n 134_o mark_v i_o pray_v thou_o reader_n the_o marvellous_a efficacy_n of_o the_o truth_n which_o force_v a_o testimony_n thereof_o even_o from_o they_o that_o be_v to_o it_o the_o great_a enemy_n it_o be_v here_o acknowledge_v as_o the_o truth_n be_v the_o right_a of_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n at_o first_o be_v in_o the_o body_n of_o every_o particular_a congregation_n there_o lay_v the_o due_a power_n i_o do_v not_o say_v chief_o but_o whole_o so_o that_o what_o spiritual_a power_n be_v now_o assume_v above_o this_o whither_o it_o be_v papal_a or_o episcopal_a whither_o it_o be_v classical_a or_o synodall_n they_o be_v humane_a ordinance_n and_o apparent_a violation_n of_o a_o divine_a institution_n other_o of_o they_o speak_v 6._o speak_v saravia_n count_v bez._n pag._n 62._o schol._n paris_n in_o pol_n p._n 6._o as_o plain_o all_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n primary_o proper_o and_o essential_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n to_o the_o officer_n instrumental_o ministerial_o and_o so_o far_o only_a as_o it_o respect_v the_o execution_n of_o it_o here_o be_v nothing_o say_v to_o justify_v minister_n in_o take_v more_o authority_n to_o themselves_o than_o they_o grant_v their_o congregation_n but_o a_o testimony_n to_o the_o contrary_a for_o what_o they_o do_v be_v only_o ministerial_o as_o the_o servant_n of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o a_o most_o unseemelie_a thing_n without_o the_o church_n before_o knowledge_n like_v and_o consent_n to_o make_v act_n or_o decree_n but_o 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to_o thou_o will_v i_o give_v the_o kee_n say_v this_o promise_n of_o christ_n must_v be_v refer_v unto_o the_o whole_a church_n sander_n 6._o sander_n de_fw-fr visib_n mon._n l._n 1._o c_o 6._o scultingius_n 103._o scultingius_n hierarch_n anarch_n l._n 4._o pag._n 103._o and_o other_o of_o they_o give_v the_o same_o exposition_n viz._n that_o when_o christ_n promise_v peter_n the_o kee_n he_o in_o person_n present_v the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o these_o man_n writing_n the_o power_n of_o bind_v and_o lose_v election_n of_o minister_n deposition_n and_o the_o like_a be_v in_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n if_o so_o than_o class_n and_o synod_n have_v it_o not_o i_o mean_v of_o right_n john_n ferus_fw-la a_o friar_n of_o s._n francis_n order_n but_o godly_a than_o the_o franciscanus_n the_o such_o as_o bucanan_n describe_v in_o his_o franciscanus_n common_a sort_n entreat_v in_o his_o commentary_n write_v on_o the_o act_n of_o the_o example_n of_o peter_n 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