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A94730 An antidote against the venome of a passage, in the 5th. direction of the epistle dedicatory to the whole book of Mr. Richard Baxter teacher at Kederminster in Worcestershire, intituled, The saints everlasting rest, containing a satyricall invective against Anabaptists / by Iohn Tombes B.D. Lately teacher at Bewdley in the same county. Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1650 (1650) Wing T1797; Thomason E602_20; ESTC R206421 26,378 40

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without_o a_o head_n which_o he_o describe_v pag._n 44._o of_o his_o story_n the_o truth_n of_o the_o relation_n i_o question_v not_o but_o that_o they_o be_v miracle_n as_o mr._n baxter_n take_v the_o word_n miracle_n in_o his_o second_o part_n ch._n 4._o sect._n 1._o etc._n etc._n in_o which_o he_o distinguish_v between_o wonder_n and_o miracle_n i_o think_v can_v be_v make_v good_a if_o we_o find_v not_o the_o like_a story_n in_o every_o point_n yet_o we_o read_v of_o many_o monstrous_a birth_n as_o that_o of_o the_o earl_n of_o holland_n daughter_n and_o many_o other_o yet_o neither_o divine_n nor_o philosopher_n nor_o physician_n that_o i_o know_v do_v reckon_v they_o among_o miracle_n nor_o do_v i_o think_v it_o a_o very_o safe_a way_n to_o take_v such_o accident_n as_o argument_n for_o or_o against_o any_o tenet_n camden_n in_o his_o britannia_fw-la describe_v wiltshire_n make_v mention_n of_o a_o synod_n in_o calne_n whereat_o upon_o the_o fall_n of_o the_o room_n and_o 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another_o way_n of_o discern_v between_o truth_n and_o error_n than_o the_o holy_a scripture_n contrary_a to_o john_n 5._o 39_o mark_n 12._o 24._o 2_o tim._n 3._o 16._o deut._n 13._o 1_o 2._o and_o isai._n 8._o 20._o etc._n etc._n which_o be_v derogatory_a to_o the_o scripture_n use_v and_o direct_v they_o by_o judgement_n from_o heaven_n to_o judge_v of_o doctrine_n of_o which_o many_o relation_n be_v not_o true_a as_o i_o be_o sure_a for_o one_o instance_n in_o the_o relation_n of_o god_n judgement_n upon_o sabbath_n breaker_n to_o which_o mr._n baxter_n refer_v pag._n 230._o concerning_o mr._n powle_n of_o lemster_n in_o my_o time_n of_o be_v there_o and_o not_o far_o off_o from_o the_o place_n when_o it_o happen_v in_o the_o relation_n of_o which_o there_o be_v sundry_a mistake_n and_o untruth_n nor_o do_v the_o circumstance_n show_v the_o accident_n to_o be_v god_n voice_n to_o that_o end_v the_o compiler_n of_o that_o book_n apply_v it_o but_o if_o the_o relation_n of_o the_o 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