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A54154 The invalidity of John Faldo's vindication of his book, called Quakerism no Christianity being a rejoynder in defence of the answer, intituled, Quakerism a new nick-name for old Christianity : wherein many weighty Gospel-truths are handled, and the disingenuous carriage of by W.P. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1673 (1673) Wing P1305; ESTC R24454 254,441 450

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life_n of_o righteousness_n william_n penn._n the_o content_n part_n i._n chap._n i._o of_o christianity_n in_o general_n pag._n 12._o chap._n ii_o of_o quakerism_n as_o this_o independent_a priest_n scoff_o call_v our_o holy_a religion_n pag._n 25._o chap._n iii_o of_o the_o scripture_n pag._n 31._o chap._n iu._n his_o pre●ence_n of_o our_o equal_v our_o own_o write_n and_o say_n with_o the_o scripture_n pag._n 41._o chap._n v._o of_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o life_n and_o judge_n of_o controversy_n p._n 68_o chap._n vi_o of_o our_o dehort_v people_n from_o read_v the_o scripture_n etc._n etc._n as_o charge_v by_o this_o adversary_n pag._n 94._o chap._n vii_o of_o scripture-commands_a what_o be_v bind_v and_o what_o not_o our_o adversary_n disingenuity_n observe_v pag._n 103._o chap._n viii_o that_o we_o do_v not_o deny_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v any_o mean_n whereby_o to_o resist_v temptation_n in_o opposition_n to_o and_o denial_n of_o our_o 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to_o wit_n baptism_n and_o the_o supper_n of_o baptism_n in_o particular_a pag._n 249._o chap._n vii_o of_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n which_o christ_n give_v to_o his_o disciple_n after_o supper_n common_o call_v the_o lord_n supper_n pag._n 264._o chap._n viii_o of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o justification_n pag._n 273._o chap._n ix_o of_o the_o true_a christ_n we_o own_o and_o our_o adversary_n prove_v to_o deny_v he_o pag._n 296._o chap._n x._o three_o scripture_n rescue_v from_o the_o false_a gloss_n of_o our_o adversary_n joh._n 1._o 9_o rom._n 10._o 8._o 2_o pet._n 1._o 19_o pag._n 317._o chap._n xi_o that_o we_o be_v not_o guilty_a of_o idolatry_n as_o charge_v by_o our_o adversary_n true_a worshipper_n the_o charge_n invert_v pag._n 343._o chap._n xii_o of_o the_o resurrection_n of_o dead_a body_n and_o eternal_a recompense_n our_o doctrine_n maintain_v by_o scripture_n reason_n and_o authority_n pag._n 362._o chap._n xiii_o my_o adversary_n decline_v meddle_v with_o my_o 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david_n no_o christian_a who_o be_v a_o man_n after_o god_n own_o heart_n neither_o can_v i_o believe_v with_o he_o that_o the_o apostle_n exhortation_n phil._n 4._o whatsoever_o thing_n be_v true_a honest_a just_a pure_a lovely_a of_o good_a report_n if_o there_o be_v any_o praise_n think_v on_o these_o thing_n be_v no_o part_n of_o christianity_n or_o that_o a_o man_n may_v be_v a_o saint_n and_o not_o a_o christian_a or_o that_o a_o child_n of_o god_n be_v not_o a_o good_a christian_a or_o that_o james_n be_v mistake_v who_o say_v that_o the_o pure_a and_o undefiled_a religion_n be_v to_o keep_v ourselves_o unspotted_a of_o the_o world_n which_o strange_a kind_n of_o consequence_n unavoidable_o follow_v from_o j._n faldo_n assertion_n and_o definition_n for_o our_o part_n as_o we_o think_v it_o no_o wrong_n to_o christianity_n so_o no_o discredit_v to_o our_o cause_n that_o it_o shall_v be_v report_v that_o we_o believe_v the_o word_n nigh_o in_o the_o heart_n the_o apostle_n paul_n call_v the_o word_n of_o faith_n and_o reconciliation_n to_o have_v be_v preach_v by_o moses_n that_o chest_n the_o promise_a seed_n bruise_v the_o serpent_n head_n 7._o as_o well_o before_o as_o at_z and_o since_o his_o visible_a appearance_n that_o enoch_n when_o he_o walk_v with_o god_n walk_v in_o the_o light_n in_o which_o he_o feel_v the_o blood_n of_o christ_n cleanse_v from_o all_o sin_n that_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n strive_v with_o man_n as_o well_o before_o christ_n come_v as_o since_o and_o that_o some_o be_v lead_v by_o it_o before_o as_o well_o as_o since_o and_o therefore_o child_n of_o god_n 17._o and_o if_o child_n than_o heir_n heir_n of_o god_n and_o joynt-heir_n with_o christ_n not_o that_o we_o deny_v a_o pre-eminence_n to_o christ_n visible_a come_v ●nd_v the_o great_a benefit_n that_o come_v into_o the_o world_n thereby_o we_o will_v not_o be_v think_v so_o to_o mean_v at_o no_o hand_n only_o this_o that_o something_o of_o that_o divine_a life_n power_n 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a_o space_n say_v i_o be_o a_o man_n of_o a_o sear_a conscience_n and_o that_o it_o be_v pity_v any_o reader_n shall_v be_v so_o tame_a to_o be_v thus_o impose_v on_o rejoin_v i_o know_v not_o what_o he_o mean_v by_o these_o last_v word_n unless_o he_o will_v have_v every_o man_n that_o read_v i_o beat_v i_o i_o have_v always_o think_v it_o become_v a_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n to_o make_v people_n tame_n and_o not_o wild_a sufferer_n not_o hector_n but_o such_o expression_n very_o well_o suit_n with_o john_n faldo_n religion_n for_o my_o conscience_n it_o be_v not_o so_o sear_v but_o i_o can_v feel_v and_o resent_v john_n faldo_n injustice_n god_n know_v i_o leave_v out_o no_o word_n design_o nor_o can_v the_o insertion_n of_o they_o have_v disappoint_v i_o for_o if_o the_o thing_n christianity_n may_v be_v before_o the_o name_n a_o day_n than_o a_o year_n and_o so_o a_o age_n till_o we_o shall_v come_v to_o the_o first_o man_n that_o ever_o god_n save_v all_o man_n must_v be_v save_v by_o either_o law_n or_o gospel_n now_o the_o law_n strict_o consider_v can_v never_o save_v it_o give_v life_n to_o none_o so_o import_v the_o scripture_n and_o so_o assert_n b._n usher_n b._n sanderson_n allen_n and_o other_o then_o it_o must_v have_v be_v by_o the_o gospel_n which_o be_v by_o the_o apostle_n call_v the_o power_n of_o god_n unto_o salvation_n and_o if_o all_o man_n that_o be_v ever_o save_v be_v save_v by_o the_o gospel_n then_o true_a christian_n unless_o man_n may_v believe_v the_o gospel_n be_v save_v by_o the_o life_n and_o power_n of_o it_o and_o yet_o be_v no_o christian_n that_o be_v not_o the_o man_n the_o term_n christian_n give_v first_o at_o antioch_n do_v fignifie_v i_o shall_v offer_v this_o short_a argument_n to_o the_o reader_n be_v consideration_n if_o he_o that_o be_v bear_v again_o be_v a_o christian_n and_o such_o as_o enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n be_v bear_v again_o then_o because_o abraham_n isaac_n jacob_n samuel_n david_n etc._n etc._n enter_v into_o god_n kingdom_n it_o follow_v that_o they_o be_v bear_v again_o and_o consequent_o christian_n how_o pernicious_a be_v that_o principle_n which_o deny_v the_o new_a birth_n to_o be_v so_o much_o as_o any_o part_n of_o christianity_n when_o indeed_o the_o great_a as_o christ_n own_o say_v prove_v the_o truth_n of_o the_o matter_n be_v the_o very_a life_n power_n and_o spirit_n of_o the_o gospel_n or_o christianity_n which_o to_o other_o exterior_a performance_n be_v as_o the_o soul_n to_o the_o body_n john_n faldo_n will_v fain_o exclude_v from_o any_o share_n in_o christianity_n and_o for_o our_o prefer_n and_o press_v that_o as_o the_o most_o important_a matter_n he_o overruns_a we_o with_o all_o the_o vilify_n scornful_a epithet_n a_o lucian_n can_v bestow_v upon_o a_o christian_a indeed_o his_o frothiness_n be_v such_o that_o be_v it_o not_o for_o their_o sake_n who_o may_v yet_o be_v ensnare_v by_o his_o adventurous_a and_o imperious_a assertion_n and_o reflection_n i_o shall_v not_o think_v his_o vindication_n worth_a one_o minute_n of_o my_o time_n but_o he_o proceed_v rep._n i_o undertake_v to_o prove_v quakerism_n no_o christianity_n from_o the_o confess_a newness_n of_o it_o by_o their_o own_o party_n 8._o penn_n tell_v we_o p._n 21._o the_o first_o letter_n of_o the_o name_n of_o some_o the_o bare_a name_n of_o other_o who_o word_n i_o quote_v but_o dare_v not_o transscribe_v their_o word_n be_v so_o fair_a to_o my_o purpose_n only_o a_o part_n of_o penington_n who_o say_v of_o the_o quaker_n dispensation_n that_o it_o swallow_v up_o that_o of_o christ_n and_o the_o apostle_n which_o pen_n will_v take_v off_o by_o tell_v i_o i_o have_v no_o candour_n in_o so_o construe_v the_o word_n as_o if_o penington_n who_o be_v a_o scholar_n can_v not_o express_v his_o mind_n congruous_o but_o must_v have_v pen_n to_o be_v his_o interpreter_n rejoin_v now_o what_o any_o can_v make_v of_o this_o cloudy_a paragraph_n that_o have_v not_o 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well_o but_o when_o come_v this_o quakerism_n into_o the_o world_n he_o tell_v we_o 22._o about_o the_o year_n 1651._o quote_v e._n b_n epistle_n before_o g._n f_n great_a mystery_n also_o a_o small_a treatise_n write_v by_o john_n whitehead_n &_o isaac_n penington_n from_o whence_o he_o infer_v that_o quakerism_n be_v a_o late_a dispensation_n therefore_o not_o that_o of_o christianity_n but_o certain_o this_o man_n have_v take_v a_o very_a quick_a course_n to_o unchristian_a himself_o and_o all_o the_o presbyterian_o independent_o and_o anabaptist_n in_o the_o world_n as_o well_o as_o the_o quaker_n for_o i_o will_v ask_v he_o if_o there_o be_v not_o a_o time_n since_o the_o primitive_a age_n wherein_o darkness_n have_v overspread_v the_o earth_n the_o beast_n do_v reign_v and_o the_o pure_a religion_n be_v
within_o in_o that_o blasphemous_a say_v then_o against_o the_o spirit_n in_o the_o prophet_n apostle_n and_o every_o good_a christian_a who_o by_o his_o infatuate_v way_n of_o argue_v will_v make_v we_o believe_v that_o lucian_n and_o julian_n act_v from_o the_o light_n within_o because_o they_o act_v from_o something_o within_o and_o that_o there_o be_v no_o distinction_n to_o be_v make_v between_o their_o write_n and_o the_o scripture_n themselves_o upon_o our_o principle_n because_o they_o write_v according_a to_o the_o light_n that_o be_v in_o they_o as_o he_o say_v what_o be_v this_o but_o to_o deny_v all_o testimony_n within_o or_o at_o least_o allow_v but_o of_o such_o a_o one_o as_o give_v equal_a evidence_n to_o apostate_n and_o christian_n man_n act_v by_o the_o power_n of_o darkness_n and_o the_o principle_n of_o light_n it_o shall_v now_o rest_v with_o my_o reader_n to_o point_v where_o the_o pinch_n be_v for_o the_o ill_a language_n he_o say_v i_o give_v he_o to_o wit_n a_o line_n and_o a_o half_a make_v up_o out_o of_o six_o page_n give_v on_o distinct_a provocation_n let_v we_o examine_v base_a comparison_n pag._n 43._o this_o fall_v out_o upon_o his_o compare_v we_o with_o the_o papist_n which_o we_o shall_v anon_o consider_v how_o slovenly_a i_o be_v in_o do_v so_o i_o will_v not_o be_v my_o own_o judge_n black_a as_o hell_n itself_o in_o malice_n page_n 46._o fall_v from_o i_o on_o this_o occasion_n say_z j._n faldo_n i_o know_v not_o hardly_o any_o worse_a lucian_n and_o julian_n say_v of_o jesus_n of_o nazareth_n the_o scripture_n and_o christianity_n than_o the_o quaker_n have_v do_v under_o other_z name_n now_o reader_n if_o thus_o to_o unchristian_a unscripture_n in_o fine_a unreligion_n profane_a yea_o atheize_v a_o whole_a body_n of_o people_n bring_v they_o into_o parallel_n with_o loose_a and_o heathenish_a scoffer_n and_o persecuter_n of_o the_o christian_a religion_n who_o all_o this_o while_n reverent_o believe_v in_o christ_n jesus_n the_o saviour_n of_o the_o world_n in_o his_o life_n death_n resurrection_n ascension_n doctrine_n and_o miracle_n i_o say_v if_o thus_o to_o use_v we_o be_v not_o as_o black_a as_o h●ll_v in_o malice_n against_o we_o there_o can_v be_v nothing_o black_a hellish_a or_o malicious_a for_o the_o last_o piece_n of_o rai●ing_v as_o he_o call_v it_o the_o impudence_n of_o his_o wickedness_n p._n 4_o 9_o what_o can_v it_o be_v else_o to_o charge_v the_o impiety_n of_o julian_n and_o lucian_n upon_o the_o light_n within_o and_o tell_v the_o world_n that_o upon_o the_o quaker_n principle_n they_o may_v conclude_v their_o write_n as_o canonical_a as_o the_o scripture_n of_o truth_n but_o this_o man_n study_v personal_a reflection_n more_o than_o the_o cause_n or_o he_o will_v not_o have_v give_v but_o five_o line_n of_o nine_o page_n of_o my_o answer_n and_o never_o have_v consider_v that_o as_o he_o ought_v i_o can_v be_v glad_a to_o read_v one_o page_n of_o his_o vindication_n without_o 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