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A61133	The smoke in the temple wherein is a designe for peace and reconciliation of believers of the several opinions of these times about ordinances, to a forbearance of each other in love, and meeknesse, and humility : with the opening of each opinion, and upon what Scriptures each is grounded ... : with one argument for liberty of conscience from the national covenant ... : with a full answer to Master Ley ... against my late New-Quere ... / by John Saltmarsh.	Saltmarsh, John, d. 1647.	1646 (1646)	Wing S499; ESTC R25538	77,440	97

a primary c. necessity c. 1. The acts and times for divine Providence towards his Church are various God had his Church at first and no written Word for it till the Law was write and Moses wrote c. And God added to the morall Lawes ceremoniall and judiciall divers of which were not executed till forty yeeres after at their coming into Canaan so far was God beforehand 2. Whereas he saith Christ could as easily have setled the government by miracle we grant it yea and more without a miracle and yet more that he did so in Matth. 16.19 Joh. 10.23 Matth. 18.15 16 17. 3. If Christs delay of Government must be our example then as well for the Anabaptisticall delay of Baptism till his age Luke 3.23 nor was it Johns office to set up a Government but to prepare the way c. And Christs publike Ministery lasted but four yeers or three yeers and a half and he began then to set up Government Reply All your proof reaches but to this 1. That God delt variously with his Church They had first no written Word and after a written Word 2. That Christ could have setled his Government by miracle but did not 3. That Christs delay of Government must be no more our example then his Baptism My proof was to shew there was no such morall necessity of the setling because it was not setled Now what have you overthrown here Not that Christ suspended his Government and the setling of it for that you grant with me and prove it more at large then I did so as all your rest will be answered in two particulars 1. To that of Gods Church and Government before his Word c. which you would insinuate as some advantage to your setling c. What is that to Gods dispensation now if there wanted a Word there was a supplement of vision and dreams c. And I hope you will not go before the Law so much as you do for a Patern You go too far when you go to the times of the Law You have a Prophet now to hear in all things Act. 3.22 2. To that of Baptism to be delayed as well as Government from Christs example I cannot dispute that here Master Tomes will satisfie you at large in his learned Examen where he hath made work for a whole Assembly That he knowes not but it may be delayed till they be of yeers But to answer you in your scope You bring this to prove That Christ is not to be imitated in all things I grant it But what is that to prove that Christ setled not his Government when he began his Ministery or Johns For the busines on your part is to find out either that the Government was setled before or with the Ministery or there was as much necessity of it as of the Word but for some reason and not from any thing in the nature of the Government but some other extrincicall reason it was delayed Which ought not to take place now And this is yet to prove al your proof summed up reaches not to this But you imply The will of God in his dispensations was the cause But the wil of God in his dispensotions carries a rule of righteousnesse along with it and of spirituall reason And in Gospel dispensations and extrincicall proceedings of Gods will you will find a rule and golden reed of righteousnesse measuring the Temple and every dispensation and even this of suspending Government hath its rule in the Gospel that a word of obedience must precede and go before a form of obedience and a word of faith before the obedience of faith and living stones before a living Temple Master Ley's Resolution Pag. 24. 25. Whereas he saith the gifts for Government were not given till Christ ascended it is answered 1. That he ascended 43. dayes after his ministration and that added to the yeer forementioned makes but small difference c. 2. He put his Apostles upon neither of these offices preaching or governing without competent gifts and qualifications 3. For the modell of it which he saith people fell under as they were capable If he mean the written modell in the Word though it were young in Christs time or his Apostles yet not now we have had 1500. yeers since Why should that which is so old in constitution be thought too soon for execution And besides Scripture directions we have had many yeers the Paterns of it i● ma●y Reformed Churches 4. It hath by fast and slow degrees been brought in as both in debates of Assembly Parliament c. And so for execution too First an Ordinance for ordination and then a Directory c. Reply You prove here 1. That Christ gave gifts when he ascended and not any long time in all his ministration and sending gifts 2. That he qualified his Apostles for government and preaching 3. That the government of Christ now so old should be seen set up as in other Kingdoms 4. That it proceeded by degrees in its setting up here Now all this thus gathered up proves not any thing against my assertion that Christ proceeded by degrees in his Ministery and giving out his government but rather strengthens my assertion And for your Arguments for setling implyed in these particulars 1. That Christs government was but a while in bringing forth the ye●rs considered 2. That the government in the Gospel being now so old ought to be soon executed 3. That the Paterns of it are in other Reformed Churches I answer to all these in as few words 1. Prove your Argument first to be Christs the particulars and entirenesse accordingly and then I shall allow you your Argument but you grant it to be but partly Christs and partly the Assemblies or of Prudence 2. You must prove but the same again that the government you have is the government there withall Gospel-necessaries take in else though the Gospel-government be never so old yours is but new and this Argument is no better then the first 3. Prove the other Reformed Kingdoms to be Reformed Churches as Churches are taken in the Gospel and their Paterns pure Gospel-Paterns which by your own you acknowledge to be in part prudentiall or human as well as Evangelicall and Divine and then your reason may have some force in it Till then you see with all you can do you cannot prove but Christs government was divers yeers in bringing forth by himself and his Apostles and so by your own account you ought not to be before them unlesse you assume fuller Revelations of truth then they did Let the Reader judge whether any of these makes for the setting up your government or the taking down my reasons To your last That this Reformation hath proceeded by slow paces and degrees What Would you prove it by its slow proceeding to be Christs government and therefore to be setled That were a strange kinde of reasoning Because Christ proceeded by degrees in giving