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A72527 The relection of a conference touching the reall presence. Or a bachelours censure of a masters apologie for Doctour Featlie. bachelours censure of a masters apologie for Doctour Featlie. / By L.I. B. of Art, of Oxford. Lechmere, John.; Lechmere, Edmund, d. 1640? Conference mentioned by Doctour Featly in the end of his Sacrilege. 1635 (1635) STC 15351.3; ESTC S108377 255,450 637

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