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A10777	Certe[n] godly, learned, and comfortable conferences, betwene the two reuerende fathers, and holye martyrs of Christe, D. Nicolas Rydley late Bysshoppe of London, and M. Hughe Latymer sometyme Bysshoppe of Worcester, during the tyme of their emprysonmentes. Whereunto is added. A treatise agaynst the errour of transubstantiation, made by the sayd reuerende father D. Nicolas Rydley. M.D.LVI.	Ridley, Nicholas, 1500?-1555.; Latimer, Hugh, 1485?-1555. aut; Ridley, Nicholas, 1500?-1555. Brief declaracion of the Lordes Supper. aut	1556 (1556)	STC 21048; ESTC S115941	68,037	134

vs all And by goddes grace I will Liue and dye the Chylde of thys Churche Forthe off thys I graunte ther is no saluation and I suppose the residew of the places obiected are rightly to be vnderstanded of thys churche only In op im Homi. 49. in Matth. In tymes paste sayeth Chrysostome ther wer many waies to knowe the Churche of Christe that is to saye by goode lyffe by miracles by chastitee by doctrine by mynistringe the sacramētes But frome that tyme that heresies dyd take holde off the churches it is onlye knowen by the scriptures which is the true church They haue all thinges in owtwarde shewe which the true church hath in truthe They haue temples lyke vnto ours c. And in th ende concludeth Wherfore only by the scriptures doo we knowe which is the true churche To that which they saye the Masse is the Sacramente of vnitie I answer The breade which we breake accordinge to the institution of the Lorde 1. Cor. 10. is the sacramente off thunitee of Christes Mysticall bodye For we beynge manye are one breade and one bodye forasmuch as we all are partakers of one breade But in the Masse the Lordes institution is not obserued for we be not all partakers of one breade but one deuoureth all c. So that as is it is vsed it maye seme a sacramente off singularitee and off a certen speciall priuelege for one secte off people wherby they maye be discerned frome the reaste rather then a sacrament off vnitee wherin our knyttinge together in one is represented Yea Whatt felowshyp hath Christe with Antichriste H. Laty. Therfore is it not lawfull to beare the yoke with papistes Cōme forthe frome amōge thē and separate your selfes frome them sayeth the Lorde It is one thinge to be the churche in dede another thinge to countrefayte the churche 2. Cor. 6. Wolde godde it wer well knowen what is the forsakynge of the churche In the kynges dayes that deade is who was the churche of Englande The kinge and hys fautors or Massemongers in corners Yf the kynge and the fautors of his procedinges why be not we now the churche abidinge in the same procedinges Yf clancularie Massemongers myght be of the churche and yett contrarie the kinges procedinges why maye not we aswell be off the churche contrarienge the qwenes procedynges Not all that be couered with the title off the church are the churche in dede Separate thy selfe frome thē that are suche saieth S. Paule frome whom 1. Tim. 6. The texte hath before Yff anie mā folowe other doctrine c. he is pufte vp and knoweth nothinge c. Weighe the hole Texte that ye maye perceaue what is the fruyte of contentiouse disputations But wherfore are such men sayd to knowe nothynge when they knowe so many thynges You knowe the olde verses Hoc est nescire sine Christo plurima scire Si Christum bene scis satis est si caetera nescis That is This is to be ignorante to knowe manie thīges withoute Christe Yf thow knowest Christe well thow knowest inough though thow knowe no more Therfore would S. Paul know nothing 1. Cor. 2. but Iesus Christe crucified et c. As manie as are papistes and massemongers they maie well be saide to knowe nothing for they know not Christe forasmoche as in theyr massinge they take much awaie from the benifite and merite of Christe Anton. obiect 6. That church which you haue described vnto me is īuisible but christes church is visible knowē For els why would Christ haue saide dic Ecclesie Tel it vnto the church Matt. 18. For he hadde commaunded in vaine to goo vnto the churche yf a man can not tell whiche is it N. Ryd Ansvu. The churche which I haue described is visible it hath members whiche maie bee seen and also I haue afore declared by what markes and tokens it maie be knowen But if either our eies are so daselled that wee can not se it or that Sathan hath brought suche darkenes into the worlde that it is hardde to discerne the true church that is not the faulte of the churche but either of our blindenesse or of sathans darkenesse But yet in this most depe darkenesse there is one moste cleare candle which of it selfe alone is able to put awaie all darkenesse Thy worde is a candle vnto my feete and a lyght vnto my steppes Psal. 119. The church of Christe is a Catholique or vniuersall church dispersed throughout the whole world Anton obiect 7. 2. Tim. 2. Matt. 25. Mat. 3.13 This church is the great house of God in this are good men and euel mingled together goates and sheepe corne and chaffe it is the nette whiche ga thereth of all kinde of fishes This churche can not erre because Christe hath promised it his spirite which shal lead it into all truth Ioan. 16. Mat. 16.28 and that the gates of hell shall not preuaile against it that he will bee with it vnto th ende of the worlde What so euer it shall lose or binde apon earth shal be ratified in heauen c. 1. Tim. 3. Cōtra epi. funda c. 5. This churche is the piller and staie of the treuth this is it for the whiche S. Augustine saith he beleueth the gospell But this vniuersall church alloweth the Masse because the more parte of the same alloweth it Therfore c. I graunt that the name of the churche is taken after three diuerse maners in the scripture N. Rydl. Ansvu. Sometime for the hole multitude of them which professe the name of Christe of the which they are also named christians But as S. Paul saith of the Iew Rom. 2. Rom. 9. Not euery one is a Iew that is a Iew outwardly et c. Neither yet all that bee of Israell are counted the seed Euen so not euery one which is a christian outwardly is a christian in deed Rom. 8. For if any manne haue not the spirite of Christe the same is none of his Therfore that church which is his body and of which Christ is the heade standeth onely of liuing stones and true christians 1. Pet. 2. not only outwardly in name and title but inwardli in harte and in truth But forasmuch as this church whiche is the seconde takinge of the churche as touching the outward felowshippe is contained within that great house and hath with the same outwarde societie of the sacramentes and ministerie of the woorde many thinges are spoken of that vniuersall church whiche S. Austen calleth the mingled churche whiche can not truely be vnderstanded but onely of that purer parte of the churche So that the rule of Tyconius concerning the mingled church may here well take place Augu. de doc Crist. l. 3. cap. 32. When there is attributed vnto the whole churche that whiche canne not agree vnto the same but by reason of th one parte therof that is either for the multitude

church and beinge so gathered in the name of Christe they haue a promesse off the gyfte and guydinge of his spirite into all truthe But that anie such counsell hath at anie tyme allowed the masse such a one as ours was of late in a straunge tounge and stuffed with so manie absurditees errours and superstitions that I vtterly denye 2. Cor. 6. and I affirme it to be impossible For like as ther is no agreement betwixe lyghte and darknesse betwixe Christe and Belial so surely superstition and the syncere Religion of Christe will worship and the pure worshippinge of godde such as godde requireth of his Ioan. 4. that is in spirite ād truth can neuer agree together But ye will saye wher so greate a Companie is gathered together it is not credible but ther be two or three gathered in the name of Christe I answer If ther be one hundreth goode and two hūdreth badde forasmoche as the decrees and ordinances are pronounced accordinge to the greater numbre of the multitude of voyces what can the lesse numbre of voices auayle It is a knowne thinge and a commē prouerbe Often tymes the greater parte A prouerbe ouercommeth the Better As touching general counseils H. Laty. at this present I haue no more to say thē you haue sayd Only I refer you to your own experience to thinke of our cōtry parlaments and conuocations how and what ye haue there seen and heard The incōstancie of the Englissh parlamentes ād conuocations The more part in my time did brīg furth the sixe articles for thē the king wold so haue it being seduced of certē Afterward the more part did repel the same our goode Iosias willing to haue it so The same articles now again alas another greater but wurse part hath restored O what an vncertaintie is this But after this sort most commonly are mans procedings God be mercifull vnto vs. Who shall deliuer vs from such tormēts of mind Deathe the best phisition to the faithful Therfore is death the best physitiō but vnto the faithful whom she together and at once deliuereth frō all grieffes You must thinke 〈◊〉 this written vpon this occasiō because you woulde needes haue your paper blotted Anton. obiect 9. Yf the matter shoulde go thus that in generall counsailes menne shoulde not stande to the more numbre of the whole multitude I meane of them whiche ought to geue voices then shoulde no certaine rule bee lefte vnto the churche by the whiche controuersies in waightie matters might bee determined but it is not to bee beleued that Christe woulde leaue his churche destitute of so necessarie a helpe and sauegarde N. Ryd Ansvu. Ephes. 5. Christe who is the moste louinge spouse of his espoused the church who also gaue himselfe for it that he mighte sainctifie it vnto himselfe did geue vnto it abundantlye all thinges which are necessarie to saluacion but yet so that the churche shoulde declare it selfe obediente vnto him in all thinges and kepe it selfe within the boundes of his commaundementes and further not to seke any thing whiche he teacheth not as necessarie vnto saluacion Nowe further for determination of all controuersies in Christes religion Luc. 16. Christe himselfe hath left vnto the church not only Moses and the Prophetes Esa. 8. whome he willeth his church in all doutes to go vnto and aske counsell at but also the gospelles and the reste of the bodie of the newe testamente in the whiche whatsoeuer is harde in Moses and the prophetes whatsoeuer is necessarie to be knowen vnto saluation is reueled and opened So that nowe wee haue no neede to saie who shall clime into heauen Rom. 10. or who shall go downe into the depth to tell vs what is needfull to be done Christ hath done both and hath commended vnto vs the worde of faith whiche also is aboundantly declared vnto vs in his worde writtē so that hereafter if wee walke earnestly in this waie to the ser ching out of the trueth it is not to be doubted but throughe the certaine benifite of Christes spirite Luke 11. which he hath promised vnto his we may finde it and obtaine euerlastinge life Shoulde mēne aske counsell of the dead for the liuing saieth Esaie Esai 8. Let thē go rather to the law and to the testimonie et c. Christe sendeth them that bee desierouse to knowe the trueth vnto the scriptures saiynge Iohn 5. search the scriptures I remembre a like thing well spoken of Hierome Hieron in 23. Math. Ignoraunce of the scriptures is the mother and cause of al erroures and in another place as I remembre in the same authoure The knoweledge of the scripturs is the fode of euerlasting life But nowe me thinketh I enter into a verie broade sea in that I beginne to shewe either oute of the scriptures them selues or oute of the aunciente writers how muche the holy scripture is of force to teache the trueth of oure religion But this is it that I am nowe aboute that Christe wold haue the church his spouse in all doubtes to aske counsel at the word of his father writtē ād faithfully lefte and cōmēded vnto it in boeth testamētes the old and the newe Neither do we reede that Christ in any place hath laiede soo greate a burthen vpon the members of his spouse that he hath commaūded them to go to the vniuersall churche Rom. 15. What soeuer thinges are written saieth Paule are written for oure learninge And it is true that Christ gaue vnto his churche some Apostels some Prophetes some Euangelistes Ephe. 4. some shepards and teachers to the edifiynge of the sainctes till wee all come to the vnitie of faithe et c. But that all menne should meete together oute of all partes of the worlde to define of the articles of our faith I neither finde it commaunded of Christe nor written in the worde of God H. Latim There is a diuersitie betwixt thinges pertaining to God or faith and Politique or Ciuile matters For in the firste we muste stande onely to the scriptures whiche are able to make vs all perfecte and instructed vnto saluation 2. Tim. 3. if they bee well vnder standed And they offre thēselues to be wel vnderstanded onelye to them whiche haue good willes and geue themselues to studie and praier Neither are there any menne lesse apt to vnderstand them then the prudent and wise men of the worlde But in the other that is in Ciuile or Politique matters often tymes the magistrates doe tolerate a lesse euil for auoiding of a greater as they which haue this saiynge ofte in their mouthes Better an inconuenience then a mischieffe and it is the propertie of a wise man saieth one to dissemble many thinges And he that canne not dissemble can not rule In which saiyngs they bewraie themselues that they doe not earnestely weighe what is iuste what is not Wherfore forasmuch as mās lawes if it

of good mē which is the churche in deed or for the multitude of euell men whiche is the malignante churche and synagoge of Sathan Apo. 2. And is also the thirde takinge of the churche of the which although there be seldomer mentiō in the scriptures in that signification yet in the worlde euen in the most famouse assembles of christendome this churche hath borne the greatest swynge This distinction presupposed of the three sortes of churches it is an easye matter by a figure called Synecdoche to geue to the mingled and vniuersall churche that which canne not truelye be vnderstanded but onely of th one parte therof But if any manne will stiflye affirme that vniuersalitie dooth so pertaine vnto the churche that whatsoeuer Christe hath promised to the church it muste needes be vnderstanded of that I woulde gladly knowe of the same man wher that vniuersalle churche was in the tymes of the patriarches and pophetes Exod. 17. 3. Reg. 19. Hiere 6. of Noe Abraham and Moses at such tyme as the people wold haue stoned hym of Helias of Hieremie in the tymes of Christe and the dispersion of the Apostles in the time of Arius when Constantius was Emperour Theo. ecc his l. 2. c. 15 61. and Felix bisshoppe of Rome succeded Liberius It is worthie to be noted that Lira writeth apon Mathew Lyra in Matt. The churche sayeth he doth not stande in men by reason off theyr power or dignitee whether it be Ecclesiasticall or seculer for many princes ād popes and other inferiours haue ben fownde to haue fallen awaye frome godde Therfore the churche consisteth in those persones in whome is true knowlege and confession of the fayth and off the Truthe Euell men as it is in a glose of the Decrees are in the churche in name and not in dede De poenit dist 1. c. ecclesia Lib. 1. c. 33. And S. Augustine contra Crescomū gram̄aticū sayeth Who so euer is afrayed to be deceiued by the darkenesse off this qwestiō let hym aske cownsell at the same church of it which churche the scripture doth poynte oute withoute any doubtefulnesse All my notes which I haue written and gathered owte of such authors as I haue redde in this matter and suche like are com̄e into the hādes of such as will not let me haue the leaste of all my writtē bookes wherin I am enforced to complayne of them vnto godde for they spoile me of all my labours which I haue takē in my studye these many yeares My memorie was neuer goode for helpe wheroff I haue vsed for the moste parte to gather owte notes of my readinge and so to place thē that therby I might haue hadde the vse of them when the tyme required But who knoweth whether this be goddes will that I shulde be thus ordred ād spoiled of the poore learninge I hadde as me thoughte in stoore to thintēte that I now destitute of that shuld frome hēceforth learne onely to knowe with Paule 1. Cor. 2. Christe and hym crucifyed The Lorde graūte me herin to be a goode yonge scoler and to learne this lesson so wel that neither deathe nor liffe wealth nor woo c. make me euer to forgette that Amē Amē I haue no more to saye in this matter for you your selfe haue sayd all that is to be sayed H. Laty. That same vehemente sayeng of S. Augustine I wolde not beleue the gospelle c. was wonte to troble manie men as I remember I haue redde it well qualiffied off Philippe Melanchton but my memorie is alltogether slypperie This it is in effecte The churche is not a iudge Mel. de eccles but a witnesse Ther wer in his tyme that lyghtly estemed the testimony of the churche and the owtwarde ministerie of preachynge and reiected the owteward worde it selfe stickinge only to theyr inwarde reuelations Such rasshe contempte of the worde prouoked and droue S. Augustine into that excessiue vehemence In the which after the bare sownd of the wordes he might seeme to such as doo not attaine vnto his meanynge that he preferred the churche farre before the gospell and that the Churche hath a free Authoritee ouer the same but that godly man neuer thoughte so It wer a saynge worthy to be broughte forthe agaynst the Anabaptistes which thinke the open ministerie to be a thinge not necessarie if they anie thinge estemed such testimonies I wolde not sticke to affirme that the moore parte of the greate howse that is to saye of the hoole vniuersall churche maye easely erre And agayne I wolde not sticke to affirme that it is one thinge to be gathered together in the name off Christe and another thinge to comme together with a Masse off tholye ghooste goynge before For in the firste Christe ruleth in the latter the deuel beareth the swinge and how then can anie thinge be goode that they goo abowte frome thys latter shall our Sixe Articles comme forth agayne into the lyghte they them selfes being verie darkenesse But it is demaunded A questiō whether the fownder or better parte of the catholyque church may be seene of men or no S. Paule sayeth Ansvuer The Lorde knoweth them that are his What maner of speaking is this in commēdation of the lorde if we knowe as well as he who are his Well thus is the texte The Sure fowndation of godde standeth still and hath this seale the Lorde knoweth them that are hys and let euerie man that nameth the name of Christe departe frome iniquite Now how many are ther of the hoole Catholique church of England which departe from iniquite How many of the noble men how many of the bysshops or cleargie how many of the ryche men or merchauntes how many of the qwenes cownsellers yea how many of the hoole realme In how smalle rowme then I praye you is the true church within the realme of Englande and wher is it and in what state I hadde a cōceipte of myne owne well grownded as they saye when I began but now it is fallen by the waye Anton. obiect 8. Matt. 18. Generall Coūsels represent the vniuersall church ād haue this promesse of Christe wher two or thre be gathered together in my name ther am I in the myddes of thē If Christe will be present with ij or iij. then moche more wher ther is so great a multitude c. But in generall counsels Masse hath ben approued and vsed Therfore c. Off the vniuersall church which is mingled of goode N. Ryd and badde thus I thinke Whēsoeuer they which be chieffe in it which rule and gouerne the same and to whome the reaste of the hoole mysticall bodye of Christe doth obey are the lyuely members of Christe and walke after the guydinge and rule of his worde and goo before the flocke towardes euerlasting lyffe thē vndoubtedly Cownsels gathered together of suche guydes and Pastours of the Christiāe flocke doo in dede represēte the vniuersall

pronoune demonstratiue meaning the worde this if ye will know what it doth shewe or demonstrate whether the bread that Christ toke or no he answereth no but only one thing in substāce it pointeth wherof the nature or name it doeth not tell but leaueth that to be determined and tolde by that which foloweth the word is that is by predicatum as the Logician doeth speake and therfore he calleth this pronowne demonstratiue this indiuiduum vagum that is a wanderynge proper name whereby we maie pointe out and shewe any one thing in substance what thing soeuer it be That this imagination is vaine and vntruly applied vnto those wordes of Christ this is my body it maie appeare plainly by the wordes of Luke and Paul saide vpon the cup conferred with the forme of wordes spoken vpon the cuppe in Mathew and Marke for as vpon the bread it is saide of all this is my bodie so of Mathewe and Marke is saide of the cup this is my bloud Then if in the wordes This is my bodye the woorde this be as Dunse calleth it a wanderynge name to appointe and shewe furthe anye one thinge whereof the name or nature it doeth not tell so muste it bee lykewyse in those woordes of Mathewe and Marke vpon the Lordes cup This is my bloud But in the wordes of Mathewe and Marke it signifieth and pointeth out the same that it doth in the lordes wordes vpon the cuppe in Luke and Paule where it is saide This cuppe is the newe testamente in my bloude c· Therefore in Mathewe and Marke the pronowne demonstratiue this doeth not wander to poynte onelie one thynge in substaunce not shewyng what it is but telleth it plainelie what it is no lesse in Mathewe and Marke to the eye then is done in Luke and Paul by putting to this word cuppe boeth vnto the eye and vnto the eare ▪ For taking the cuppe and demonstrating or shewing it vnto his disciples by this pronowne demonstratiue this and sayng vnto them drynk ye all of this it was then all one to saye This is my bloud as to say This cupp is my bloud meaning by the cuppe as the nature of the spech doth require the thing cōteyned in the cupp so likewise withowt all dowbte when Christ had taken bread geuen thankes and broken it and geuing it to his disciples sayd Take and so demonstrating and shewing that bread which he had in his handes to saye then This is my bodye and to haue sayd this bread is my bodye As it were all one if a man lacking a knyffe and going to his oysters wold saye to another whom he sawe to haue ij knyfes Syr I praye yow lend me th one of your knyfes were it not nowe all one to answer him Syr hold I will lende yow this to eate your meate but not to open oysters with all ād hold I will lend yow this knyf to eate your meate but not to open oysters This similitud serueth but for this purpose to declare the nature of spech whithall wher as the thing that is demonstrated and shewed is euidētly perceaued and openly knowen vnto the eye But o good Lord what a wonderfull thing is it to see howe soome Vuinch in the ansvuer to the 13 obiectiō men doo labour to teache what is demonstrated and shewed by the pronowne demōstratiue this in Christes wordes when he saith This is my bodie this is my bloud howe they labour I saye to teache what that this was then in dede when Christ spake in the beginning of the sentence the word this before he had pronownced the rest of the wordes that followed in the same sentence so that their doctrine maye agree with their transubstantiation which in dede is the verye foundacion wherin all their erroneous doctrine doth stand And here the transubstantiators doo not agree amongest them selfes The papistes them selfes doo not agree no more then they doo in the wordes which wrought the transubstātiacion when Christ did first institute his sacrament Wherin Innocentius Bisshopp of Rome of the latter dayes and Duns as was noted before do attribute the worke vnto the word benedixit blessed But the rest for the most part to Hoc est corpus meum This is my bodye c. Dunse therfore with his secte because he putteth the chaunge before must nedes saye that this when Christ spake it in the beginning of the sentēce was in dede Christes bodye For in the chaunge the substance of bread did departe and the chaunge was nowe doone in benedixit sayth he that went before And therfore after him and his that this was then in dede Christes bodye thowgh the word did not import so muche but onely one thing in substance which substāce after Duns the breade being gone must nedes be the substance of Christes bodye But they that putt their transubstantiacion to be wrought by these wordes of Christ This is my bodye and doo saye that when the hole sentence was finished then this chaunge was perfected and not before they can not saie but yet Christes this in the beginninge of the sentence before the other wordes were fully pronoūced was breade in deede For as yet the change was not done and soe longe the bread must nedes remainer and so longe as the substance of the bread doth remaine so long with the vniuersal consent of al trāsubstantiators the natural substance of Christes body cānot come and therfore muste their this of necessitie demonstrate and shew the substance which was as yet in the pronouncing of the first worde this by Christ but breade But how cā they make and verifie Christs words to bee true demostrating the substance whiche in the demonstration is but breade and saie therof This is my bodie that is as they saie the naturall substance of Christes bodie except they wolude saie that the verbe is signifieth is made or is chāged into and so thē if the same verbe is be of the same effecte in Christes wordes spoken vpon the cuppe and rehearsed by Luke and Paule the cuppe or the wine in the cuppe must be made or turned into the newe testament as was declared before Vuinch is become a Neutrall There bee some amonge the transubstantiators whiche walke soe wilely and soe warely betwixte these ij aforesaide opinions allowinge them both and holding plainelye neither of them boeth that me thinke they maie be called Neutrals Ambidexters or rather suche as canne shifte on boeth sides They plaie on boeth partes for with the latter they doe allowe the doctrine of the laste sillable whiche is that transubstantiation is done by miracle in an instante at the sound of the laste sillable um in this sentēce hoc est corpus meum And they do alow Dunses phantastical imaginacion of indiuiduū vagum that demonstrateth as he teacheth in Christes wordes one thing in substaunce then beinge after his mynde the substaunce of the bodie of Christe A marueilous thing howe anye manne can agree with both these