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A32902 A testimony to the fulfilling the promise of God relating to such women who through the pouring out of Gods Spirit upon them are become prophetesses, daughters, and handmaidens and their prophecying, teaching, preaching,and praying through the operation of the Spirit of Christ, in the church proved lawfully by several plain Scripture testimonies and examples, out of both the Old and New Testaments, both under the time of the Law and also in the Gospel despensation, and the common objection alleged against the same from the Apostle Pauls words in I Cor. 14, 34 and I Tim. 2, 12 &c. clearly answered : recommended to the consciences of all that value the testimony of Holy Scripture / by one who hath diligently searched the Scripture, and hath had an high esteem thereof from his youth, Thomas Camm. Camm, Thomas, 1641-1707. 1689 (1689) Wing C396A; ESTC R5431 15,913 20

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to a great Reformation Moreover in Luke 2. you may read how that at the time that the Child Jesus was by the Parents brought into the Temple to do to him after the Custom of the Law There was one Anna a Prophetess a Widow of about Fourscore and Four Years old who departed not from the Temple but served God with Fasting and Praying day and night and in that instant with good old Simeon gave thanks likewise unto the Lord and spoke of Jesus there in the Temple Mark in the Temple to the Church or Congregation there yea to all them that looked for Redemption in Jerusalem now observe she was a Prophetess and departed not from the Temple then where did she Prophesie but in the Temple Pray in the Temple gave Thanks in the Temple and spake of Jesus in the Temple to all that looked for Redemption in Israel And we read not that any of the Priests or Ministers of the Temple did forbid Her neither good old Simeon that was filled with the Holy Ghost and came by the Spirit into the Temple and knew the Mind of God he did not forbid Her to Speak or Pray or Prophesie in the Temple the Church or Congregation no they joyned and was at unity in their Testimony in that blessed Spirit by whom both their Mouths were opened to speak in Prayer and Prophecying to Gods Glory and the Comfort and Edification of all that looked for Redemption by Jesus Christ in Israel Further you may read in Luke 1. how Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost and did Prophesie and Mary blessedly magnified the Lord what gracious Words proceeded from them through the operation of the holy Spirit that 's one in Male and Female Again in John. 4. it may be read how the Woman of Samaria that discoursed with Christ at Jacob's Well went into the City Syehar and Preached Christ to the Men therein and what an effectual Sermon it was though but short Come said she See a Man that hath told me all that ever I did Is not this the Christ and many of the Samaritans of that City believed on him for the Saying of the Woman which testified He told me all that ever I did now by what 's above-said it s plainly evinced that God in the time of the Law poured out of his Spirit upon Daughters and Handmaiden as well as upon Sons and Servants and they Prophesied Preached and Taught yea and Prayed too and Praised the Everlasting God in the Church or Congregation in the Temple and in the prefence of the High-priests and other Ministers of the Temple and we read not that they were for bidden But it may be Objected This was in the time of the Law but now the Gospel time is come and hath not Paul that was a Minister of the Gospel prohibited Womens Speaking in the Church in 1 Cor. 14.34 1 Tim. 2.12 c. To which is answered that by what 's above written its manifest how God did pour out of his Spirit upon some Women Daughters and Handmaidens according to measure in the time of the Law and they Preached or Prophesied and Taught in the Church or Congregation and Praised and magnified God there also through the operation of the Spirit then poured out upon them though but in the time of the Law which was to be fulfilled and come to an end mark that And then God promised that cannot lie to pour out of his Spirit more universally upon all Flesh as may be read in Joel 2. And it shall come to pass afterwards that I will pour out of my Spirit upon all Flesh and your Sons and your Daughters mark Daughters also shall Prophesie your old Men shall dream Dreams your young Men shall see Visions and also upon the Servants and upon the Handmaids mark Handmaids also in those days will I pour out my Spirit O blessed Promise to be fulfilled in the latter Days the Gospel Days yea the Apostle Peter bears Record to the fulfilling thereof as may be read in Acts 2. This is that saith he which is spoken by the Prophet Joel And it shall come to pass in the latter Days saith God I will pour out of my Spirit upon all Flesh and your Sons and your Daughters shall Prophesie and your young Men shall see Visions and your old Men shall dream Dreams and on my Servants and on my Handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit and they shall Prophesie mark God saith they shall Prophesie here is the time of the fulfilling of the Promise this is the Gospel Day wherein Daughters and Handmaidens is to Prophesie more universally then in the time of the Law though then God poured out of his Spirit upon some and they Prophesied as before said This is so glorious a Dispensation that the Apostle Paul saith You may all mark all Prophesie one by one yea he adviseth all to follow after Charity and desire after spiritual Gifts But rather saith he mark that that you may Prophesie for he that Prophesieth speaketh unto Men to Edification and Exhortation and Comfort yea he that Prophesieth Edifieth the Church 1 Cor. 14. Now that the Church might be thus Edified hath God Almighty in his infinite Kindness in this latter Day and Gospel Day poured out of his Spirit upon both Sons and Daughters and they may both Prophesie in the Church or Congregation yea God that 's above all hath said they shall Prophesie who therefore can limit the Spirit of the Almighty who can set bounds thereto it s one and the same in the Female as the Male and is through both to speak yea for all in this Church of God that hath the Spirit of God poured upon them may by the same Prophesie to Edification For you may all mark all Prophesie one by one that all may Learn and all may be Comforted c. 1 Cor. 14.31 For it s not the Woman that speaks but the Spirit of the Father through the Male and Female according to Christ's Saying in Mat. 10.20 It s not you saith Christ that speakes but the Spirit of the Father that speaketh in you Now it s not the Man nor the Woman that speaketh but the Spirit that God the Father hath poured upon Sons and Daughters Servants and Handmaids in this Gospel Day that Holy Day and Sabboth testified of in Isa 58.13 as followeth thus viz. If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabboth from doing thy Pleasure on my Holy Day and call the Sabboth a Delight the Holy of the Lord Honourable and shalt honour him not doing thine own Ways nor finding thine own Pleasure nor Speaking observe nor Speaking thine own Words here neither Man nor Woman is to speak their own Words for every Woman or Man either that speaks their own Words are forbidden to speak in the Church in the Congregation in the Meetings and Assemblies of Gods People for such regard not the Holy Sabboth the gospel-Gospel-Day and Holy in which
Male nor Female are to speak their own Words for who are Baptized into the one Spirit who have drunk into the one Spirit who have put on the Lord Christ is a new Creature as saith Paul in 2 Cor. 5.17 Therefore if any Man be in Christ he is a new Creature old things are past away behold all things are become new here is the blessed Restoration out of the Fall through Christ that 's one in both Male and Female both hath he purchased by an high price unto himself and such are not to speak their own Words in his Church in this Gospel day and time of his holy Sabboth but to adminster out of the Abundance of the Spirit that God the Father gives here the Spirit utters it self through the Male and Female for both are one in the Spirit of Truth both are one in Christ as may be read in Gal. 3.27 28. For as many of you as have been Baptized into Christ have put on Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek there is neither Bond nor Free there is neither Male nor Female for they are all one in Christ Here is no difference in Christ Christ may speak in Male and in Female who is it that will limit him in his Church may not he speak through the Daughters and Handmaidens that 's filled with his Spirit as well as through the Sons and Servants being there is no difference all are one in him yea he doth and hath done it in his Church and Congregation who is Lord and Law-giver and is to be Obeyed Worshipped and Served both by Male and Female So its clear that it s not the Woman that 's filled with the Spirit in whom Christ dwells rules and is Head that 's forbidden or not permitted to speak in the Church but such as are silly Women that are ever learning but never come to the knowledge of Christ the Truth that 's not taught by him nor led by him such as obey him not so usurps an Authority speaks their own Words speaks of themselves not from Christ not out of the aboundance of the Spirit that God gives but out of the abundance of their own unsanctified Hearts and Wisdom such whether Men or Women are forbidden to speak in the Church in the Congregation they are to be silent and to learn in Subjection it s a shame for such to usurp Authority and speak Now by what 's before said its cleared that the Spirit is poured out upon Sons and Daughters also and they are to prophesie let 's see what Testimonies the holy Scriptures affords as with respect to Practice since the time of the Gospel revealed First Mary Magdalen was commissioned to Peach and Publish the Resurrection of Jesus Christ to his Disciples as may be read in Matth. 28.7 where she was commanded to go quickly and tell his Disciples That he is risen from the Dead and behold he goeth before you into Galilee there shall you see him lo I have told you And in Mark 16.7 9 10. Mary Magdalen and Mary the Mother of James and Salom were commanded to publish unto the Disciples the Resurrection of Christ where it s said Go your way tell his Disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee there shall you see him as he said unto you Here you may see that these good Women were commissioned by the Angel to preach the Resurrection of Christ to his Disciples Furthermore when Jesus was risen early the first day of the Week he appeared first to Mary Magdalen out of whom he had cast seven Devils and she went and told them that she had been with him as they mourned and wept And in Luk. 24.9 10. And returned from the Sepulchre and told all these things unto the Eleven and to all the rest mark all the rest it was Mary Magdalen and Joana and Mary the Mother of James and other Women Mark other Women also that were with them which told these things unto the Apostles Again in John 20.16 17 18. Jesus saith unto her Mary she turneth her self and saith unto him Rabboni which is to say Master Jesus saith unto her Touch me not for I am not yet ascended to my Father but go to my Brethren and say to them observe and say to them I ascend unto my Father and your Father and to my God and your God. Mary Magdalen came and told the Disciples that she had seen the Lord and that he had spoken these things unto her Hereby its clear that Mary was the first unto whom Jesus appeared after he was risen and the first Preacher of his Resurrection she and the other Women before mentioned spoke of and published the Resurrection of Jesus unto the eleven and all the rest Surely none will deny but the eleven and all the rest was the Church of Christ in that day in this Church they spoke preached and taught and was commissioned thereto by the Lord Christ the Head of the Church the everlasting High-Priest whose Lips preserve true Knowledge whom all are to hear and obey and whoever doth not hear the voice of this Prophet is to be cut off from amongst the People is to be separated from his Church and not to speak therein for its whom he Commissions whom he dictates to and speaks in whether Male or Female that is to Speak Preach and Teach good things to Edification in his Church in the Congregations and Meetings of his People Further Aquilla and Priscilla his Wife were both Expounders of the Way of God more perfectly as may be read in Acts 18. vers 27. Them doth Paul greet by Name in his Epistle to the Romans Chap. 16. and there calls them both his Helpers in Christ Jesus To whom not only Paul but also all the Churches of the Gentiles gave thanks whereby its evident they had been both of them publick Labourers amongst the Believers in all the Churches of the Gentiles Moreover Paul greets the Church in their House here was the Church in their House and must not Priscilla speak in her own House Must not she labour there Must not she Pray and Prophesie there and teach good things there Must she not expound the Way of God more perfectly in her own House where the Church is Is she prohibited to Speak or Teach good things there doth not Paul will that Prayer be made every where where then must this good Woman Paul's helper in Christ pray if not in her own house If she may and ought to pray every where then in the Church In her house she is not commanded Silence by Paul. Again you may read in Acts. 21.8 9. that Philip the Evangelist one of the seven had four Daughters Virgins that did Prophesie and Paul gave directions how and in what manner Women shall Pray and Prophesie as may be read 1 Cor. 11. where he saith Now I pray you Brethren that you remember me in all things and keep the Ordinances as I delivered them unto you every
come to the Knowledge of the Truth Here are the Women described that are not permitted to speak in the Church also the Speaking the vain Babling and unlearned Questions that grenders Strife from them that have a form of Godliness but deny the Power such Speakers and speaking is not permitted in the Church this tends not to Edification and Comfort and teaching good things and Prophecying doth that all may do in the Church that hath the Spirit poured upon them But such Questions are not proper or convenient in the Church they usurp Authority that are found in the Practice thereof there 's no such Order or Custom in the Churches of Christ for what 's there done is to be to Edification if Women that are thus idle busie-Bodies and Disorderly shall propose ask or speak any such things or Questions ought not to do it in the Church they are not permitted there but rather let them ask their Husbands or others at home such are unlearned not come to the knowledge of the Truth that sets Free but in the Sin and Bondage in the Transgression and Fall from God where the Subjection is to be kept under and the Husband is to rule over as saith the Law It s a Shame for such to Speak in the Church such are not Witnesses of the Restoration by Christ in whom Male and Female are all one and he in both may Speak in his Church Prophesie in his Church to Edification and Comfort that all may Learn and that all may be Edified and Comforted Secondly As to the Words of Paul to Timothy which are as followeth viz. But I suffer not a Woman to Teach nor Vsurp Authority over the Man but to be in Silence Here is not one word of Teaching in the Church but hath only relation to such as would usurp Authority over the Man which Paul permits not suffers not to teach in that Usurpation but such as are taught by the Spirit he permits and commands to teach others good things to Love and Obey their Husbands not to usurp Authority over them for all that comes to learn of Christ and his good Spirit they learn Meekness Humility and lowliness of Mind and such know how to Honour their Husbands Obey their Husbands and are thereby preserved out of the Usurpation though God by his Spirit that 's not to be limited may make them Instrumental to Instruct their Husbands as he did by Sarah and Abraham her Husband was commanded of God to Obey and Answer what she Taught or Instructed him in yet the Apostle saith She called Abraham her Husband Lord here is no Usurpation there Wherefore its clear that Paul's Words of not permitting or suffering Women to Speak had only relation to the Unlearned Unruly the Usurpers of Authority amongst the Corinthians or other Churches such as usurped Authority over the Man such are to be slent they are not permitted to Speak in the Church they Minister Strife and Contention and there 's no such custom in the Church of Christ Further it may very properly be queried of all Objecters in this wise That if Women must Learn of their Husbands at Home of whom then must they Learn that have no Husbands if there be no other way of Learning then must they be concluded in Ignorance to remain But Philip's four Daughters had no outward Husbands to Learn of Paul saith they were Virgins yet well Learned they did Prophesie wherefore the prohibition by him of not speaking belongs not to nor hath any relation to them nor such other they may notwithstanding Speak and Prophesie in the Church and all others who have the Spirit of Prophesie poured out upon them as the same Spirit moves and gives utterance Now to conclude God Almighty that 's greater then all hath said They shall Prophesie and Daughters and Handmaids have Prophesied both in time of the Law and Gospel Dispensation in the Churches or Congregation Christ the Lord and Law-giver hath Commanded and Commissioned Women to Teach or Preach or Prophesie in the Church as before is clearly demonstrated and they obeyed and practiced moreover Paul hath commended Daughters and Handmaids to the Churches Commanded to receive and assist them and to help those Women that laboured with him in the Gospel they did Prophesie saith he Therefore let all Gain-sayers and Contradictors of God Alimighty of Christ Jesus the Lord and Law-giver and the Apostle Paul cease therefrom and stop their Mouths for ever and let the Unlearned and Unstable cease to pervert or wrest the Holy Scriptures for such know not the meaning of the Spirit that spoke in the Prophets and Apostles Holy Men and Women that have given out the Holy Scriptures by Inspiration of God and is profitable for Doctrine for Reproof for Correction for Instruction in Righteousness and are able to make wise unto Salvation through Faith which is in Christ Jesus that the Man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good Works Glory to God for the unspeakable Comfort thereof administered through the Holy Spirit A POSTSCRIPT of some Testimonies shewing that the Apostles Precepts against Womens Speaking was not universal and that Women have had a Service in the universal Church in several Ages BEfore the Law was given Miriam was given for a Prophetess Exod. 15.20 Mica 6.4 And among the Gentiles under the Law of Nature as 't is called the Sibyls in several Ages prophesied Augustin saith By the same Spirit of God that the Prophets did to the Jews Decivit dei l. 18. c. 18. And Bishop Montagues writes a whole Book about that matter Acts and Monuments before Christ the 9th Book And for Womens Services under the Law and under the Gospel Bishop John Bridges writes near a whole Book Defence c. 9th Book where he shews that though Calvin was the vehementest against Womens Teaching of all that he had read yet he makes his concession this That as necessity might require this Precept of Paul of the ordinary course maketh no absolute debar to all manner of Women but that now and then some may speak lawfully Yea and their Voice is requisit even in the most sacred publick and greatest Assemblies of the Churches The said J. Bridges also brings the further Concessions of Peter Martyr Musculus Marlorat Alesius Aretius and other emnient Teachers all granting Paul's precept not to be an universal restraint bringing the Examples of Women under the Law as well as Gospel times for instances as Philip's Daughters Anna Deborah Hulda Hannab The Womans Claim Deut. 25.7 9. Abigal the Woman of Abel 2 Sam. 20.18 The Mother of the seven Sons 2 Mac. 7. Judith The Woman Luk. 11.27 The Virgin Mary The Woman Matth. 9.20 and Luke 8.44 The Woman of Canaan Matth. 15.22 The Woman of Samaria Miriam Elizabeth Samson's Mother Judg. 13.22 The captive Maid 2 Kings 5.2 and others That though they be under subjection yet they may speak counsel and teach So Bridges says Defence lib. 1. which I