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A53583 Man wholly mortal, or, A treatise wherein 'tis proved, both theologically and philosophically, that as whole man sinned, so whole man died ... with doubts and objections answered and resolved, both by Scripture and reason ... : also, divers other mysteries, as of heaven, hell, the extent of the resurrection, the new-creation, &c. opened, and presented to the trial of better judgment. / by R.O.; Mans mortallitie Overton, Richard, fl. 1646.; Overton, Robert, ca. 1609-ca. 1668. 1675 (1675) Wing O629C; Wing O640_CANCELLED; ESTC R11918 46,615 138

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of the grave Selah Psal 89.48 Object 17. And it came to pass the Beggar dyed and was carried by Angels into Abrahams bosome c. Luke 16. from the 22. to the end Answ There was never such a man as Dives or Lazarus or ever such a thing happened no more then Jothams Trees did walk and talke Judg. 9.8 but it was a Parable to prove that nothing is more effectual for conversion then the ordinary preaching of the Word by the true Ministers or Ambassadors of God such as Moses and true Prophets of old and as Christ his Apostles and Prophets and true ministers since Further the consequence concerning the soul is but drawn from the literal sence in which sence I shall deny it canonical Scripture for it makes in that sence more for bodys then the souls present being in Heaven or Hell v. 23 24. maketh Abraham the Father of the Damned vers 24 25 27 30. and vers 22. Dives dyed and was buried and yet vers 23. he lift up his eyes being in torment and seeth Abraham c. and vers 25. he cryed for Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger to coole his tongue which in the literal sence thus applicated must needs be contradictory unless his eyes tongue and Lazarus finger was not buried or their souls had corporeal corpulent members which to conceit is ridiculous Therefore from this place the Resurrection of the body before the day of Judgment even as soon as a man is buried may better be proved then such a present Soulary enterance into Heaven or Hell Object 18. By which also he went and preached to them in prison Answ By which that is by that whereby he was quickened or raised from the dead his divine Spirit as the foregoing words whereon the sence of those depend doth evidence vers 18. Christ once suffered c. dead in flesh but quickened by the spirit vers 19. by which also he went c. So that he went and preached by that whereby he was quickened or raised Therefore the preaching here meant was not by that which was raised but by that which did raise which was ministerially as the following words further evidence shewing to whom he preached even those which were disobedient in the days of Noah on whom the long-suffering of God waited while the Arke was a preparing those were the spirits here meant the wicked of those days which are now in prison that is dead or imprisoned in the Elements Here the grave or death is called a prison as indeed it is for therein all that dye are reserved in the chaines of death the Elements not to be delivered till Judgment Rev. 20.13 according to Job 3.18 there the prisoners rest together Object 19. Joh. 11.26 Whosoever liveth and believeth on me shall never die Answ Whosoever liveth doth not in this place import the state of this life for should it believers should not die this death but relateth to the state or life at the Resurrection as the foregoing words on which the sense of these depend evidence viz. I am the Resurrection and the life he that believeth in me though he were dead yet shall he live to which these words are annexed And whosoever liveth believeth in me c. which is to say Every believer though dead shall live or be raised again and living or raised again shall never dye any more that is shall scape the second death Joh. 5.24 Secondly This life may be reckoned from the action of belief for God calleth things that are not as if they were Rom. 4.17 yea all even the dead live unto him Luke 20.38 And so the believer never dyeth in Gods account Rom. 14.7 8 9. None of us liveth to himself and none of us dyeth to himself for whether we live we live unto the Lord and whether we die we die unto the Lord whether we live therefore or die we are the Lords for this end Christ both dyed and rose and revived that he might be Lord both of the dead and the living Object 20. Therefore glorifie God in your body and in your spirits 1 Cor. 6.20 Answ Before he called the body the Temple of the holy Ghost vers 29. and vers 15. the members of Christ which needs must be the whole man and not his bare carcass for in death who can praise the Lord in it can be no habitation for the holy Ghost and therein were they to glorifie God to make Christ the head of such members were to make God the God of the dead and not of the living therefore by body and spirit is meant whole man aiming at a thorough and perfect sanctification as well in that which respecteth thought the spirit as in that which respecteth action the body inwardly to gloryfie God as well as outwardly to flee fornication c. Object 16. I saw under the Altar the souls of them that were slaine for the word of God c. and they cryed with a loud voyce c. Rev. 6.10 11. Answ They were such souls as lay under the Altar slaine or sacrificed or as vers 11. hath it were killed these therefore being dead souls or martyred Saints their crie must be as the crie of the blood of Abel And the like vision of dead Saints confirms it as cap. 20. vers 4 5. And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand yeares but the rest of the dead lived not again till c. whence it is plaine that he beheld the Resurrection or restoration of life unto dead souls even of them that were beheaded but the rest lay dead or lived not again till c. Thus much of illegitimate Objections from Scripture Now to the probation hereof from Procreation or Generation and as neer as I can to resolve all occurrent Objections thereon that shall confront CHAP. V. Of procreation how from thence this Mortality is proved IT is supposed as I conceive by none that what naturally proceedeth from Man simply by the course of nature can be immortal but must first taste of mortality And therefore there are two sorts of Opinions to maintaine this Heathenish Invention about the soul whereon it's immortalitie is grounded which I shall chiefly encounter the one that it is created and infused at the conception and so onely Gods worke The other that it is concepted by the woman through the concurrence of the seed of both sexes but not simply by the course of nature but by the supernatural and extraordinarie assistance or efficacie of God in conception more then in other creatures and so partly mans and partly Gods worke But that I may utterly demolish the structure of this Invention I shall turn up the foundation of each kinde in it's place But first I shall speak a word or two in general of Procreation it self That whole man is generated by man Observe That as the whole Tree is potentially in the seed
and actually in time springeth from it or as many graines of wheat are in one graine virtually and perfectly actual in time so in the seed of mankind is whole man potentially and wholly actual in time or all Adams succession which in time are propagated were wholly in him life and limbes or as 't is more common soul and body So that whatsoever in time is actual by procreation it was at first potentially wholly in it's original Further Generatum sequitur naturam generantis he begat a son in his own image Gen. 5.3 is not not onely philosophically but Theologically true Mat. 7.16 Job 4.14 Therefore mortal Adam must beget mortal children in his own likeness soul and body except the soul was no part of his likeness For that which is immortal cannot generatively proceed from that which is mortal as Christ saith that which is born of the flesh is as it self is corruptable mutable flesh John 3.6 so then by this mortal flesh cannot be generated an immortal spirit or soul that can subsist by it self dissolved from the flesh for if it should in that act it should go beyond it self which is impossible and thereby more should be done by man and woman in generation then God did or could do in the creation for he neither did or could create any thing greater purer or more excellent of nature then himself and such as could subsist without him But if this doctrine be true as Woolner in his Original of the soul averreth fleshly man by a fleshly generation or mixture of the seed of both Sexes doth beget or conceive something greater purer and more excellent then himself an immortal substance an Angelical entitie the Soul that can subsist without the flesh by which it is which is as fire without light earth without heaviness grosseness c. should be by which they are and further the Effect to be prior dignitate precedent to the Cause as if a man because a creature should be before his Creator But if it be Replyed that the soul is generated by the soul as the body by the body I answer then there must be He-souls and She-souls for without Sexes is no generation But now to the first sort who say it is by infusion or as the saying is Creando infunditur infundendo creatur To which I Answer that in conception there is corruption or marring according the proverb Corruptio unius est generatio alterius so that if it be by conceiving or creating infused and by infusion concepted or created that is as much to say it is made in the marring and mar'd in the making or infus'd in the marring and mar'd in the infusion whence followeth that it is neither conceived created nor infused neither made nor mar'd but must be if it be no man knows what or how whether an Angel a Beast or a Monster any thing or nothing Riddle me riddle me what 's this a Soul a Soul creando infunditur infundendo creatur Secondly if the soul be a creature infused then Christ did not take the whole man-hood from the seed of the woman but worse then a bare brutish body a dead carcass But Christ was made of the seed of the woman according to the flesh Ram. 1.3 Acts 2.30 and was as we are sin excepted Heb. 14.15 and this our Image he received wholly from the woman Therefore receiving his whole humanity from her the soul can be no infused creature Thirdly That which brake the Serpents head was Christs humanity But the seed of the woman brake the Serpents head Ergo. Fourthly If we consist of soul and body and are not men without both and receive not our souls from him but are dayly created Then Adam is the father of no man 2. Christ cannot be the Son of man and so no Saviour because thereby his manhood constitutive part even that which should make him man could not be by the seed of the woman 3. So a man is as much a father of fleas and lice which receive their matter from him as of his children 4. Whereas God blessed man and bid him as the rest of the creatures in their kinde fill the Earth in his kinde with men then he commanded him to do more then he had given him power for and so to content nature and supply her imbecility to obey is forced to a daily creation 5. Then God finished not the Creation in sixe dayes but rested before he had done creating Fifthly If the soul be infused it must be at the conception or after the conception If at the conception then every abortive conception hath an immortal spirit in it and must rise again If after then there is growth before there is life which is impossible for the soul is made the vegetive as well as the motive sensitive or rational part and if this immortal spirit be something else then we are not conceived perfect men and as we are conceived so are we born trees brutes or I know not what and afterwards are made men if we be men at all and so Infants that die in the wombe or in the birth are little better then trees and worse then beasts Sixthly If the soul be not generated with the body but a creature infused into a dead body for they say the soul is forma formans that giveth life and motion to the body Then it is lawful to be a Nigromancer for Nigromancie is nothing but putting a spirit into a dead body and so it is but an imitation of God and God the onely Nigromancer and all the men in the word but Nigromatnick Apparitions whose spirits when they have done the worke for which they were put into the bodies desert them as other conjured Ghosts do Seventhy It is granted that the body considered meerly sensitive cannot sin and that the body is but an instrument or as the pen in the hand of a Writer to the Soul whereby it acts and moves Therefore if the Soul come immediately from God or there be an immediate worke of his in it's production then of necessity that immortal thing and not our mortal flesh is Author of all sin and it onely prone to all sin and not the flesh no more then a conduit though a meet instrument to convey water is the author or fount of water or prone to spring And so Gods immediate hand is the cause of all sin that man had better been without this soul for it must needs be some damnable wicked spirit or some Devil that God puts in him for such as the fruit is such must the tree be but the fruit is damnably wicked Therefore the Soul must be some damnable wicked thing No marvel then if Reprobates must needs sin and be damned since God infuses such a malignant Soul that counsels them with Jobs wife to curse God and die yea such a one as wholly workes out their condemnation This is as if a man should break his horses legs and then knock
from the dead by the Glory of the Father even so we also should walk in newness of life c. and to these adde 1 Cor. 15.29 Else what shall they do that are baptized for the dead if the dead rise not at all Why are they baptized for the dead These places joyntly holding forth the external Ordinance of Baptism or signe of the new Covenant which carieth the full representation of the whole worke of Redemption or perfect figuration of the new Covenant do manifestly set forth this Mortality for the death burial resurrection of Jesus Christ cannot in the external ordinance of bap●isme be represented as those places ●old forth it doth but by baptizing that is dipping or submerging the whole man into the water the evidence that whole man shall die and whole man be raised again by the total death and total Resurrection of Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 11.26 For as often as ye eat this bread and drinke this Cup ye do shew the Lords death till he come The bread and wine signifying his Body and blood as a sign of his death shew plainly that his death was total which could not be if his life shrunk into his soul and still lived But from hence is plain that not onely body but life it self was offered and dyed for Lev. 17.24 The life of all flesh is the blood thereof compare Gen. 2.4 5. But flesh with the life thereof which is the blood thereof shall you not eat and surely your blood of your lives will I require at the hand of every beast will I require and at the hand of man c. will I require the life of man whoso sheddeth mans blood by man shall his blood be shed To these adde 2 Sam. 1.16.8.27 28. and 16.8 Mat. 23.30 35. with various such-like places all which plainly shew the life of all flesh as well of man as of beast is in the blood else Christs death by the representation of his blood could not be set forth nor could any by the effusion thereof die but his Soul blood or life was poured out unto death therefore his death was not in part but of the whole man Psal 89.48 What man is he that liveth and shall not see death shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave Acts 1.13 He seeing this before spake of the Resurrection of Christ that his soul was not left in hell neither did his flesh see corruption Eccl. 4.1 2 3. doth shew that the living do suffer oppression but to the dead is none and chap. 9.4 5. they know not any thing For a living dog is better then a dead Lion Therefore Psal 146.2 David saith I will sing praises unto my God while I have any Being implying that in death there is no humane being James 4.14 Our life is even a vapour that appeareth for a little time and then vanisheth away Rev. 16.3 Every living soul in the sea died chap 20.4 5. dead souls lived again CHAP. IV. Objections extorted from Scripture Answered OBject 1. Therefore we are alway confident knowing that whilst we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord we are confident I say and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord 2 Cor. 5.6 8. Whence is inferred a present injoyment of Glory immediately after death I Answer that both the foregoing and subsequent matter deny such an Interpretation or consequence for before wishing to be clothed with our House from Heaven on which is this expression of being present with the Lord he expounds that his meaning is thereby that mortality might be swallowed up of life or as he saith 1 Cor. 15.53 that this corruptable man might put on incorruption and this mortal put on immortalty And the following matter of the said words being laid down as the reason or ground why he so spake prove that by his presence with the Lord he meant nothing else but his state after the Resurrection for saith he We must all appear before the iudgment-seat of Christ that every one c vers 1. Object 2. For I am in a strait betwixt two having a desire to depart and to be with Christ which is far better nevertheless to abide in the flesh is much needful for you Phil. 1.23 14. I answer This is of the same nature therefore must have the same Interpretation for Paul did not preach one thing to the Philippians and the contrary to the Corinthians Besides such manner of expressions are not contradictory to this mortalitie for though there be long time to the Living till the Resurrection there is none to the Dead for from Adams death to his Resurrection at the end of the World will be to him as the twinkling of an eye to the Living yea the twinkling of an eye to the living is more time then a thousand yea ten thousand yeares is to the dead For Being onely commensurates with Time or length of days not to Be cannot possibly be capable thereof So that the Livings tedious anniversary expectation of the Resurrection and end of their faith is not a twinkling to the grave the livings Future is the deads Present Therefore it is well figurated in Scripture by sleepe as slept with his Fathers 1 Kings 11.43 fallen asleepe in Christ 1 Cor. 15.18 c. not that it is so long a time to the dead but that in nature there is nothing so represents death or non-being as sleepe So that this may take away all carnal security for who would not watch and pray over-night that knows he must dye in the morning live well and be wary to day that must rise and answer to morrow believe to day that would not be damned but saved to morrow This administers comfort to the righteous but terrour to the wicked Therefore Christ speakeing of his coming to Judgment saith I come quickly my reward is with me to let all men know that in death there is no delay their reward is present he will not stay an instant And further to confirm it saith again Surely I come quickely Amen even so come Lord Jesus Object 3. Thou fool this night shall thy soul be required of thee Luke 12.20 Answ The life of the whole person and not such as is fancied of the soul except it had a mouth to eate drinke c. as vers 9. Object 4. And it came to pass as her soul was in departing Gen. 35.18 Ergo there is such a thing as the Soul which continueth it's Being after death Answ No such matter for the sence of words is as she was dying or life a departing for the following words say she dyed which could not be if her soul her constitutive part lived still no more then a man can be said to lose his hand when he loses a finger Object 5. And he stretched himself upon the Child three times and cried unto the Lord and said O Lord my God pray thee let this