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A15419 Loidoromastix: that is, A scourge for a rayler containing a full and sufficient answer vnto the vnchristian raylings, slaunders, vntruths, and other iniurious imputations, vented of late by one Richard Parkes master of Arts, against the author of Limbomastix. VVherein three hundred raylings, errors, contradictions, falsifications of fathers, corruptions of Scripture, with other grosse ouersights, are obserued out of the said vncharitable discourse, by Andrevv Willet Professor of Diuinitie. Willet, Andrew, 1562-1621. 1607 (1607) STC 25693; ESTC S120028 176,125 240

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word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v use_v every_o where_o throughout_o the_o bible_n that_o be_v be_v mean_v for_o the_o soul_n 3._o b._n p._n 57_o 57_o a_o most_o audacious_a speech_n and_o full_a of_o untruth_n for_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d spirit_n be_v as_o often_o take_v for_o the_o divine_a spirit_n of_o god_n as_o for_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n as_o be_v evident_a in_o these_o place_n joh._n 4._o 24._o god_n be_v a_o spirit_n rom._n 1._o 4._o declare_v mighty_o to_o be_v the_o son_n of_o god_n touch_v the_o spirit_n of_o sanctification_n 1._o tim._n 3._o 16._o justify_v in_o the_o spirit_n 1._o tim._n 4._o 1._o the_o spirit_n speak_v evident_o and_o many_o other_o such_o place_n may_v be_v produce_v he_o show_v how_o shameless_a a_o man_n he_o be_v therefore_o that_o dare_v vent_v forth_o such_o a_o great_a untruth_n that_o this_o word_n spirit_n every_o where_o
sense_n of_o the_o joy_n thereof_o 11._o that_o sheol_n be_v always_o take_v to_o signify_v hell_n only_o 2._o b._n p._n 119._o 119._o and_o yet_o else_o where_o he_o confess_v that_o the_o same_o word_n psal._n 6._o 5._o translate_v the_o pit_n be_v take_v for_o the_o grave_a the_o sequel_n of_o temporal_a death_n 1._o b._n p._n 12._o 12._o 12._o he_o read_v thus_o exod._n 21._o 23._o he_o shall_v pay_v life_n for_o life_n not_o soul_n for_o soul_n 2._o b._n p._n 14._o the_o hebrew_n word_n be_v nephesh_n which_o in_o a_o other_o place_n he_o say_v be_v always_o take_v only_o to_o signify_v soul_n 2._o b._n p._n 119._o 119._o 13._o in_o that_o the_o replyer_n say_v that_o the_o glory_n victory_n and_o triumph_n remain_v that_o be_v the_o manifestation_n and_o accomplishment_n of_o it_o after_o christ_n have_v say_v consummatum_fw-la est_fw-la it_o be_v finish_v this_o contradict_a say_v you_o do_v great_o derogate_v from_o his_o bless_a death_n and_o passion_n for_o if_o he_o obtain_v not_o victory_n over_o those_o enemy_n upon_o the_o cross_n then_o be_v they_o yet_o unconquered_a and_o consequent_o man_n redemption_n unperformed_a 2._o b._n p._n 189._o 189._o and_o yet_o a_o little_a before_o he_o deny_v that_o christ_n triumph_v upon_o the_o cross_n for_o that_o conquest_n say_v he_o upon_o the_o cross_n be_v open_o a_o overthrow_n and_o again_o so_o that_o if_o christ_n triumph_v upon_o the_o cross_n as_o you_o say_v he_o do_v it_o be_v according_a to_o the_o proverb_n a_o triumph_n before_o victory_n ibid._n p._n 188._o 188._o who_o can_v imagine_v that_o he_o shall_v have_v such_o a_o sihttle_a and_o crazy_a brain_n as_o in_o the_o compass_n of_o ten_o line_n to_o affirm_v and_o deny_v the_o same_o thing_n 14._o it_o be_v the_o obiecter_n not_o i_o that_o so_o take_v it_o that_o be_v the_o soul_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o the_o whole_a person_n and_o yet_o a_o little_a after_o forget_v himself_o he_o say_v i_o grant_v that_o the_o word_n soul_n be_v join_v with_o the_o body_n may_v be_v take_v for_o the_o whole_a person_n 143._o 15._o whereas_o the_o replyer_n understand_v those_o word_n of_o s._n peter_n that_o christ_n shall_v be_v the_o judge_n of_o the_o quick_a and_o the_o dead_a 1._o pet._n 4._o 5._o of_o those_o which_o be_v now_o dead_a but_o shall_v be_v alive_a at_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n he_o thus_o frivolous_o object_v that_o then_o we_o must_v correct_v a_o article_n of_o the_o creed_n and_o say_v that_o christ_n shall_v come_v to_o judge_v the_o quick_a and_o not_o the_o dead_a 3._o b._n p._n 71._o 71._o and_o yet_o afterward_o within_o two_o line_n he_o say_v as_o the_o dead_a shall_v be_v live_v then_o so_o the_o live_n now_o shall_v be_v then_o dead_a where_o beside_o his_o absurdity_n and_o contradiction_n to_o scripture_n that_o the_o live_n now_o shall_v be_v dead_a at_o christ_n come_n whereas_o the_o apostle_n say_v that_o the_o live_n shall_v not_o prevent_v they_o that_o sleep_n 16._o etc._n etc._n and_o the_o dead_a in_o christ_n shall_v rise_v first_o he_o cross_v himself_o in_o alter_v and_o change_v the_o article_n after_o his_o own_o fancy_n that_o christ_n shall_v be_v judge_n of_o the_o dead_a and_o quick_a 16._o he_o say_v that_o these_o word_n of_o origen_n do_v they_o not_o read_v what_o be_v write_v of_o their_o hope_n that_o perish_v in_o the_o flood_n 1._o pet._n 3._o can_v not_o convince_v he_o of_o that_o most_o gross_a heresy_n record_v by_o augustine_n that_o some_o thought_n by_o christ_n descend_v to_o hell_n the_o incredulous_a person_n believe_v and_o all_o be_v deliver_v thence_o 2._o b._n p._n 76._o 76._o and_o yet_o he_o himself_o charge_v origen_n in_o the_o next_o page_n follow_v with_o a_o more_o gross_a heresy_n that_o he_o think_v the_o very_a damn_a in_o the_o end_n shall_v be_v save_v themselves_o ibid._n p._n 77._o 77._o 17._o he_o will_v confute_v the_o replyer_n for_o defend_v that_o the_o true_a joy_n of_o heaven_n may_v be_v perceive_v in_o this_o life_n 2._o b._n p._n 207._o 207._o and_o yet_o he_o say_v that_o paul_n be_v rapt_v into_o the_o three_o heaven_n behold_v the_o very_a essence_n of_o god_n 2._o b._n p._n 205._o 205._o i_o hope_v than_o he_o see_v the_o true_a joy_n of_o heaven_n and_o s._n paul_n at_o that_o time_n have_v not_o resign_v this_o life_n 18._o the_o saint_n shall_v not_o see_v god_n so_o perfect_o as_o he_o be_v visible_a in_o himself_o 2._o b._n p._n 204._o 204._o and_o yet_o afterward_o he_o say_v they_o shall_v see_v he_o in_o plain_a manner_n and_o in_o perfect_a measure_n ibid._n p._n 205._o 205._o thus_o they_o shall_v see_v he_o perfect_o and_o yet_o not_o perfect_o 19_o none_o of_o his_o elect_a be_v with_o he_o during_o their_o abode_n in_o this_o life_n otherwise_o what_o mean_v s._n paul_n to_o say_v i_o desire_v to_o be_v dissolve_v and_o to_o be_v with_o christ_n if_o he_o be_v with_o he_o without_o dissolution_n etc._n etc._n 3._o b._n p._n 4._o 4._o yet_o in_o a_o other_o place_n he_o mislike_v that_o say_n of_o the_o replyer_n that_o christ_n be_v say_v to_o be_v with_o we_o in_o respect_n of_o his_o godhead_n etc._n etc._n but_o we_o be_v say_v to_o be_v with_o he_o as_o our_o messiah_n as_o s._n paul_n say_v i_o desire_v to_o be_v dissolve_v and_o be_v with_o christ_n he_o call_v this_o assertion_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 2._o b._n p._n 198._o 198._o and_o yet_o in_o the_o other_o place_n approve_v the_o same_o himself_o 20._o what_o shall_v the_o simple_a and_o unlearned_a do_v when_o they_o hear_v those_o bibles_n which_o have_v be_v allow_v by_o public_a authority_n of_o this_o realm_n and_o open_o read_v in_o our_o church_n these_o 46._o year_n to_o be_v condemn_v by_o some_o minister_n and_o preacher_n among_o we_o for_o false_a erroneous_a and_o injurious_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n 3._o b._n p._n 46._o 46._o and_o yet_o he_o himself_o charge_v the_o same_o bibles_n with_o error_n in_o the_o text_n and_o with_o blasphemy_n in_o some_o of_o the_o annotation_n 3._o b._n p._n 49._o 49._o 21._o he_o say_v that_o no_o be_v no_o preacher_n at_o all_o in_o any_o other_o sense_n than_o all_o other_o godly_a man_n be_v namely_o in_o do_v the_o work_n of_o righteousness_n 3._o b._n p._n 109._o 109._o and_o yet_o a_o little_a after_o it_o follow_v with_o this_o construction_n the_o latin_a word_n praeco_fw-la use_v by_o all_o translatour_n in_o that_o place_n do_v most_o fit_o agree_v which_o do_v proper_o signify_v he_o that_o make_v open_a proclamation_n of_o a_o thing_n as_o a_o herald_n or_o trumpeter_n as_o alexander_n call_v homer_n the_o trumpeter_n or_o sound_a out_o of_o achilles_n prowess_n ibid._n p._n 110._o 110._o if_o noah_n be_v in_o this_o sense_n a_o proclaimer_n of_o righteousness_n as_o homer_n be_v of_o achilles_n valour_n it_o be_v not_o a_o mute_a and_o dumb_a but_o a_o vocal_a proclaim_v and_o preach_v thereof_o which_o he_o deny_v before_o 22._o you_o will_v never_o prove_v that_o there_o be_v any_o other_o descension_n but_o this_o he_o mean_v the_o descension_n into_o hell_n whereof_o he_o speak_v immediate_o before_o 3._o b._n p._n 155._o 115._o and_o yet_o afterward_o he_o confess_v two_o descension_n descension_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n be_v none_o mention_v save_v these_o two_o only_a ibid._n p._n 157._o 157._o he_o mean_v the_o descension_n from_o heaven_n to_o earth_n and_o from_o thence_o to_o hell_n 23._o those_o word_n of_o the_o prophet_n in_o thy_o presence_n be_v fullness_n of_o joy_n psal._n 16._o 11._o be_v not_o mean_v of_o the_o godhead_n of_o christ_n but_o of_o the_o glory_n which_o his_o manhood_n be_v to_o receive_v at_o his_o resurrection_n 3._o b._n p._n 165._o 165._o here_o he_o confess_v there_o be_v glory_n due_a unto_o christ_n as_o god_n and_o glory_n which_o he_o receive_v as_o man_n but_o else_o where_o he_o deny_v that_o there_o be_v one_o kingdom_n that_o be_v glory_n due_a unto_o christ_n as_o god_n a_o other_o as_o he_o be_v the_o messiah_n 2._o b._n p._n 201._o 201._o 24._o he_o say_v that_o there_o be_v a_o plain_a distinction_n between_o the_o holy_a ghost_n etc._n etc._n and_o christ_n not_o in_o person_n only_o etc._n etc._n but_o in_o nature_n also_o i_o mean_v his_o divine_a nature_n 3._o b._n p._n 95._o but_o afterward_o he_o better_o remember_v himself_o say_v i_o distinguish_v only_o the_o person_n of_o christ_n from_o the_o holy_a ghost_n ibid._n p._n 96._o 96._o 25._o he_o say_v man_n perfect_a redemption_n be_v purchase_v by_o his_o precious_a death_n upon_o the_o cross_n 3._o b._n p._n 155._o 155._o and_o yet_o in_o a_o other_o place_n he_o thus_o write_v our_o whole_a and_o
allege_v that_o impertinent_a addition_n much_o less_o in_o heaven_n where_o there_o be_v fullness_n of_o joy_n for_o the_o question_n be_v for_o who_o those_o sorrow_n be_v loose_v i_o think_v he_o will_v not_o say_v for_o any_o that_o be_v in_o heaven_n there_o be_v then_o no_o injury_n do_v unto_o the_o confuter_n in_o the_o omit_v of_o those_o word_n the_o replyer_n shall_v have_v have_v more_o advantage_n in_o set_v they_o down_o 2._o the_o obiector_n indeed_o first_o say_v that_o the_o soul_n by_o a_o synecdoche_n be_v take_v for_o i_o but_o the_o confuter_n also_o have_v these_o very_a word_n the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n be_v not_o whether_o the_o soul_n join_v with_o the_o body_n may_v be_v take_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o the_o whole_a man_n live_v in_o which_o sense_n it_o can_v not_o be_v deny_v but_o it_o be_v take_v in_o diverse_a place_n of_o scripture_n 1._o b._n p._n 7._o the_o replyer_n then_o corrupt_v not_o his_o word_n but_o the_o refuter_fw-la deny_v his_o own_o word_n and_o that_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v only_o use_v in_o that_o place_n by_o himself_o not_o by_o the_o obiector_n 3._o the_o whole_a sentence_n be_v this_o it_o be_v a_o general_a axiom_n in_o theology_n among_o divine_n that_o the_o word_n of_o holy_a writ_n be_v always_o to_o be_v take_v and_o understand_v according_a to_o their_o native_a and_o proper_a signification_n but_o only_o when_o there_o follow_v some_o manifest_a and_o apparent_a absurdity_n what_o fraud_n now_o or_o legerdemain_n be_v there_o in_o omit_v of_o the_o first_o clause_n which_o be_v but_o a_o flourish_n to_o the_o sentence_n no_o substantial_a part_n thereof_o the_o replyer_n be_v not_o bind_v to_o rehearse_v all_o his_o idle_a word_n but_o such_o as_o be_v material_a to_o the_o purpose_n but_o the_o legerdemain_n that_o here_o be_v be_v find_v only_o in_o the_o confuter_n who_o false_o charge_v the_o replyer_n for_o reject_v of_o this_o axiom_n whereas_o he_o admit_v it_o and_o upon_o that_o ground_n prove_v these_o two_o point_n that_o the_o word_n sheol_n and_o nephesh_a do_v sometime_o proper_o signify_v the_o life_n and_o grave_a and_o if_o they_o do_v not_o yet_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o absurdity_n and_o inconvenience_n ensue_v a_o figurative_a sense_n of_o those_o word_n shall_v be_v acknowledge_v 4._o to_o what_o purpose_n shall_v the_o replyer_n have_v add_v that_o clause_n and_o thus_o ancient_a learned_a etc._n etc._n see_v the_o refuter_fw-la only_o name_v certain_a father_n in_o the_o margin_n upon_o this_o point_n as_o augustine_n euthimius_n damascen_n but_o produce_v not_o their_o testimony_n for_o the_o huntsman_n lose_v but_o his_o labour_n in_o trace_v the_o hare_n unless_o he_o find_v she_o sit_v in_o her_o form_n or_o can_v find_v she_o out_o by_o she_o send_v and_o as_o wearisome_a a_o thing_n it_o be_v to_o follow_v the_o father_n in_o the_o large_a field_n of_o their_o write_n the_o particular_a place_n be_v not_o note_v 5._o true_a it_o be_v that_o the_o confuter_n make_v a_o double_a antithesis_fw-la between_o christ_n and_o david_n a_o general_a between_o their_o person_n in_o these_o word_n thou_o will_v not_o leave_v my_o soul_n in_o hell_n as_o he_o read_v and_o a_o particular_a in_o his_o incorruption_n resurrection_n and_o a_o scension_n which_o last_n the_o refuter_fw-la call_v the_o true_a antithesis_fw-la the_o replyer_n then_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o make_v mention_n of_o that_o general_n antithesis_fw-la 1._o because_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o true_a antithesis_fw-la which_o the_o refuter_fw-la himself_o say_v do_v consist_v in_o those_o three_o point_n before_o mention_v and_o this_o he_o affirm_v not_o only_o in_o his_o simple_a text_n but_o in_o his_o frivolous_a marginal_a note_n that_o herein_o the_o true_a antithesis_fw-la consist_v between_o christ_n and_o david_n in_o his_o incorruption_n resurrection_n ascension_n 2._o neither_o will_v his_o general_a antithesis_fw-la help_v he_o 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d tell_v he_o his_o fault_n as_o the_o geneva_n translation_n and_o great_a bible_n read_v 2._o b._n p._n 67._o 67._o &_o yet_o he_o himself_o translate_v the_o same_o word_n 13._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d tell_v thy_o neighbour_n round_o of_o his_o fault_n ibid._n p._n 71._o 71._o 10._o he_o say_v that_o faithful_a perseverance_n in_o piety_n be_v the_o final_a possession_n of_o the_o land_n of_o promise_n 2._o b._n p._n 113._o 113._o and_o yet_o else_o where_o he_o deny_v that_o the_o true_a joy_n of_o heaven_n may_v be_v in_o this_o world_n 2._o b._n p._n 207._o 207._o for_o if_o a_o man_n by_o faithful_a perseverance_n have_v in_o this_o life_n a_o sure_a hope_n and_o by_o hope_n possession_n of_o heaven_n how_o have_v he_o not_o some_o true_a
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36._o 36._o 2._o you_o conceal_v my_o meaning_n imputation_n and_o corrupt_v my_o word_n for_o it_o be_v the_o obiecter_n not_o i_o that_o so_o take_v it_o namely_o the_o soul_n for_o the_o whole_a person_n 2._o b._n p._n 143._o 143._o 3._o you_o cut_v off_o all_o the_o first_o part_n of_o my_o sentence_n here_o enclose_v it_o be_v a_o general_a axiom_n of_o theology_n among_o all_o divine_n etc._n etc._n thereby_o to_o cover_v your_o legerdemain_n lest_o the_o reader_n shall_v see_v to_o your_o shame_n your_o contemptuous_a rejection_n of_o one_o common_a receive_v axiom_n in_o divinity_n etc._n etc._n 2._o b._n p._n 120._o 120._o 4._o you_o clip_v my_o word_n in_o the_o latter_a and_o thus_o ancient_a godly_a and_o learned_a father_n have_v expound_v it_o 3._o b._n p._n 6._o 6._o 5._o what_o dishonest_a deal_n be_v this_o in_o you_o first_o to_o corrupt_v my_o word_n and_o then_o to_o affirm_v that_o i_o make_v no_o opposition_n between_o christ_n and_o david_n save_v only_o in_o 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