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A27112 Certamen religiosum, or, A conference between the late King of England and the late Lord Marquesse of Worcester concerning religion together with a vindication of the Protestant cause from the pretences of the Marquesse his last papers which the necessity of the King's affaires denyed him oportunity to answer. Bayly, Thomas, d. 1657? 1651 (1651) Wing B1507; ESTC R23673 451,978 466

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to_o procure_v one_o that_o be_v baptise_a remission_n of_o sin_n without_o this_o confession_n either_o in_o re_n actual_o perform_v or_o in_o voto_fw-la in_o desire_n as_o bellarmine_n do_v expound_v it_o who_o also_o stick_v not_o to_o say_v that_o in_o all_o selutio_fw-la the_o scripture_n there_o seem_v not_o to_o be_v any_o promise_n of_o for_o givenesse_n of_o sin_n make_v to_o those_o that_o confess_v their_o sin_n unto_o god_n which_o be_v a_o most_o impudent_a assertion_n for_o david_n have_v say_v i_o acknowledge_v my_o sin_n unto_o thou_o and_o my_o iniquity_n have_v i_o not_o hide_v i_o say_v i_o will_v confess_v my_o transgression_n unto_o the_o lord_n and_o thou_o forgave_v the_o iniquity_n of_o my_o sin_n he_o add_v immediate_o for_o this_o shall_v every_o one_o that_o be_v godly_a make_v his_o prayer_n unto_o thou_o etc._n etc._n psal_n 32._o 5_o 6._o beside_o 2._o aquinas_n and_o bonaventure_n two_o prime_a schoolman_n hold_v that_o under_o the_o law_n it_o be_v not_o ordinary_o require_v of_o people_n to_o confess_v in_o particular_a unto_o a_o priest_n bonaventure_n also_o cite_v austin_n say_v oblatio_fw-la sacrificiorum_fw-la fuit_fw-la confessio_fw-la peccatorum_fw-la the_o offering_n of_o sacrifice_n be_v the_o confession_n ibid._n of_o sin_n whence_o he_o infer_v that_o therefore_o it_o seem_v there_o be_v no_o other_o confess_v of_o sin_n but_o the_o offering_n of_o sacrifice_n for_o those_o two_o place_n of_o scripture_n cite_v by_o the_o marquesse_n neither_o they_o nor_o any_o other_o do_v speak_v of_o such_o a_o confession_n as_o they_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v contend_v for_o bellarmine_n hold_v that_o their_o sacramental_a confession_n as_o they_o call_v it_o viz._n that_o 20._o confession_n which_o they_o make_v a_o part_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n be_v not_o institute_v till_o after_o christ_n resurrection_n and_o therefore_o he_o say_v it_o be_v no_o marvel_n if_o as_o ambrose_n observe_v we_o read_v of_o peter_n tear_n but_o not_o of_o his_o confession_n that_o the_o jew_n therefore_o when_o they_o be_v baptize_v of_o john_n confess_v their_o sin_n mat._n 3._o 5_o 6._o be_v not_o enough_o to_o prove_v that_o confession_n which_o we_o now_o dispute_v of_o although_o it_o do_v appear_v that_o the_o confession_n there_o speak_v of_o be_v a_o particular_a confession_n which_o yet_o appear_v not_o cardinal_n cajetane_a say_v it_o be_v but_o a_o general_a confession_n neither_o indeed_o in_o probability_n can_v it_o be_v any_o 18._o more_o for_o how_o shall_v john_n have_v be_v able_a to_o hear_v such_o multitude_n as_o come_v unto_o he_o to_o be_v baptize_v jerusalem_n and_o all_o judea_n and_o all_o the_o region_n round_o about_o jordan_n mat._n 3._o 5._o confess_v all_o their_o sin_n in_o
testament_n be_v but_o shall_v be_v perform_v in_o every_o place_n as_o well_o in_o one_o place_n as_o another_o this_o be_v that_o which_o our_o saviour_n say_v to_o the_o woman_n of_o samaria_n woman_n believe_v i_o the_o hour_n come_v when_o you_o shall_v neither_o in_o this_o mountain_n nor_o yet_o at_o jerusalem_n worship_v the_o father_n the_o hour_n come_v and_o now_o be_v when_o the_o true_a worshipper_n shall_v worship_v the_o father_n in_o spirit_n and_o in_o truth_n etc._n etc._n joh._n 4._o 21_o 23._o s._n paul_n also_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n i_o will_v therefore_o that_o man_n pray_v every_o where_o lift_v up_o holy_a hand_n etc._n etc._n 1_o tim._n 2._o 8._o this_o be_v that_o incense_n and_o pure_a offering_n which_o the_o prophet_n malachy_n say_v shall_v be_v offer_v unto_o god_n in_o every_o place_n this_o incense_n and_o pure_a offer_v be_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n revel_v 5._o 8._o and_o all_o spiritual_a sacrifice_n which_o christian_n offer_v acceptable_a unto_o god_n through_o jesus_n christ_n 1_o pet._n 2._o 5._o what_o be_v this_o to_o prove_v that_o christ_n be_v true_o and_o proper_o sacrifice_v in_o the_o eucharist_n it_o be_v true_a the_o 35._o father_n sometime_o apply_v that_o place_n of_o malachy_n to_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n but_o not_o as_o if_o christ_n be_v there_o in_o that_o sacrament_n true_o and_o proper_o sacrifice_v nor_o as_o if_o that_o place_n concern_v this_o sacrament_n more_o than_o any_o other_o spiritual_a worship_n now_o to_o be_v perform_v under_o the_o new_a testament_n irenaeus_n in_o one_o chapter_n apply_v it_o to_o the_o sacrament_n and_o in_o the_o very_a 33._o next_o immediate_o after_o he_o apply_v it_o to_o prayer_n have_v cite_v the_o word_n of_o malachy_n in_o every_o place_n incense_n be_v offer_v to_o my_o name_n and_o a_o pure_a offering_n immediate_o he_o add_v now_o john_n in_o the_o revelation_n say_v that_o incense_n be_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n so_o also_o 1._o hierome_n in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o the_o word_n of_o malachy_n now_o the_o lord_n direct_v his_o speech_n to_o the_o jewish_a priest_n who_o offer_v the_o blind_a and_o the_o lame_a and_o the_o sick_a for_o sacrifice_n that_o they_o may_v know_v that_o spiritual_a sacrifice_n be_v to_o succeed_v carnal_a sacrifice_n and_o that_o not_o the_o blood_n of_o bull_n and_o goat_n but_o incense_n that_o be_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v offer_v unto_o the_o lord_n and_o that_o not_o in_o one_o province_n of_o the_o world_n judea_n nor_o in_o one_o city_n of_o judea_n jerusalem_n but_o in_o every_o place_n be_v offer_v a_o offering_n not_o impure_a as_o be_v offer_v by_o the_o people_n of_o israel_n but_o pure_a as_o be_v offer_v in_o the_o ceremony_n or_o service_n of_o christian_n here_o it_o be_v very_o observable_a that_o hierome_n write_v profess_o upon_o the_o place_n of_o the_o prophet_n to_o show_v the_o meaning_n of_o it_o be_v so_o far_o from_o think_v it_o to_o be_v peculiar_o mean_v of_o the_o eucharist_n that_o he_o do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o mention_v that_o sacrament_n otherwise_o than_o it_o be_v comprehend_v in_o those_o spiritual_a sacrifice_n which_o he_o say_v be_v here_o speak_v of_o but_o as_o he_o say_v that_o spiritual_a sacrifice_n in_o general_n be_v here_o signify_v so_o particular_o he_o apply_v the_o word_n of_o the_o prophet_n unto_o prayer_n say_v that_o it_o be_v the_o incense_n which_o the_o prophet_n speak_v of_o the_o other_o place_n of_o scripture_n viz._n luke_n 22._o 19_o be_v as_o little_a to_o 12._o the_o purpose_n though_o bellarmine_n also_o do_v allege_v and_o urge_v it_o in_o the_o same_o manner_n say_v that_o christ_n do_v not_o say_v vobis_fw-la datur_fw-la frangitur_fw-la effunditur_fw-la sed_fw-la pro_fw-la vobis_fw-la be_v give_v break_v shed_v to_o you_o but_o for_o you_o but_o what_o of_o this_o we_o know_v and_o believe_v that_o christ_n body_n be_v give_v and_o his_o blood_n shed_v for_o we_o on_o the_o cross_n in_o remembrance_n whereof_o according_a to_o christ_n institution_n we_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n but_o do_v it_o therefore_o follow_v that_o christ_n be_v proper_o offer_v and_o sacrifice_v in_o the_o sacrament_n the_o ground_n ibid._n of_o this_o conceit_n be_v that_o the_o word_n be_v in_o the_o present_a tense_n datur_fw-la be_v give_v not_o in_o the_o future_a dabitur_fw-la shall_v be_v give_v but_o this_o be_v too_o weak_a a_o foundation_n to_o build_v upon_o for_o bellarmine_n can_v deny_v but_o that_o in_o the_o scripture_n ibid._n the_o present_a or_o the_o preter_fw-la tense_n be_v often_o put_v for_o the_o future_a and_o well_o may_v it_o be_v so_o here_o christ_n be_v now_o ready_a to_o be_v offer_v he_o institute_v the_o sacrament_n the_o same_o night_n that_o he_o be_v betray_v 1_o cor._n 11._o 23._o the_o night_n before_o he_o suffer_v and_o therefore_o cardinal_n 11._o cajetan_n be_v much_o more_o ingenuous_a than_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n for_o upon_o 1_o cor._n 11._o 23._o he_o note_v that_o both_o the_o evangelist_n and_o also_o paul_n relate_v the_o word_n of_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n use_v the_o present_a tense_n be_v give_v or_o break_v and_o be_v shed_v because_o when_o christ_n do_v institute_v the_o sacrament_n though_o his_o body_n be_v not_o yet_o crucify_v nor_o his_o blood_n shed_v yet_o the_o crucify_a of_o his_o body_n and_o the_o shed_n of_o his_o blood_n be_v at_o hand_n and_o in_o a_o manner_n present_a yea_o the_o time_n of_o christ_n suffering_n he_o say_v be_v then_o present_a as_o be_v then_o begin_v and_o therefore_o as_o when_o the_o day_n be_v begin_v we_o may_v signify_v in_o the_o present_a tense_n whatsoever_o be_v do_v that_o day_n so_o the_o day_n of_o christ_n passion_n be_v begin_v the_o jew_n beginning_n the_o day_n at_o the_o evening_n all_o his_o passion_n may_v be_v signify_v by_o a_o word_n of_o the_o present_a tense_n the_o present_a be_v take_v gramatical_o not_o for_o a_o instant_n but_o for_o a_o certain_a time_n confuse_o present_v the_o ancient_a writer_n also_o have_v expound_v the_o present_a tense_n use_v in_o the_o word_n of_o the_o institution_n by_o the_o future_a hear_v christ_n himself_o say_v 8._o origen_n say_v unto_o thou_o this_o be_v my_o blood_n which_o shall_v be_v shed_v etc._n etc._n so_o also_o 7._o tertullian_n rehearse_v christ_n word_n thus_o this_o be_v my_o body_n which_o shall_v be_v give_v for_o you_o and_o even_o the_o vulgar_a latin_a translation_n mat._n 26._o 28._o &_o mar._n 14._o 24._o have_v it_o in_o the_o future_a tense_n effundetur_fw-la and_o so_o luke_n 22._o 20._o fundetur_fw-la shall_v be_v shed_v and_o 1_o cor._n 11._o 24._o tradetur_fw-la shall_v be_v give_v now_o for_o the_o father_n who_o the_o marquesse_n allege_v as_o be_v of_o their_o opinion_n i_o answer_v the_o father_n indeed_o do_v frequent_o use_v the_o word_n sacrifice_n and_o offer_v when_o they_o speak_v of_o the_o eucharist_n but_o it_o do_v not_o therefore_o follow_v that_o according_a to_o their_o opinion_n there_o be_v a_o true_a and_o proper_a sacrifice_n offer_v in_o the_o eucharist_n for_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o they_o do_v also_o frequent_o use_v the_o same_o word_n when_o they_o speak_v of_o those_o thing_n which_o the_o romanist_n themselves_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v no_o sacrifice_n proper_o so_o call_v even_o as_o the_o scripture_n speak_v of_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o prayer_n psal_n 141._o 2._o of_o praise_n heb._n 13._o 15._o of_o alm_n heb._n 13._o 16._o of_o our_o own_o self_n rom._n 12._o 1._o and_o where_o the_o father_n as_o the_o marquesse_n observe_v call_v the_o eucharist_n a_o unbloodly_a sacrifice_n they_o sufficient_o show_v that_o proper_o christ_n be_v not_o sacrifice_v in_o it_o for_o as_o bellarmine_n himself_o do_v tell_v we_o all_o sacrifice_n proper_o so_o call_v that_o the_o 2._o scripture_n speak_v of_o be_v to_o be_v destroy_v and_o that_o by_o stay_v if_o they_o be_v thing_n have_v life_n and_o if_o they_o be_v solid_a thing_n without_o life_n as_o fine_a flower_n salt_n and_o frankincense_n they_o be_v to_o be_v destroy_v by_o burn_v beside_o i_o have_v show_v before_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o lombard_n that_o the_o father_n sometime_o express_o speak_v of_o christ_n be_v sacrifice_v in_o the_o eucharist_n in_o that_o there_o be_v a_o commemoration_n and_o remembrance_n of_o the_o sacrifice_n which_o christ_n upon_o the_o cross_n do_v offer_v for_o we_o 2._o bellarmine_n object_n that_o baptism_n do_v represent_v the_o death_n of_o christ_n and_o yet_o none_o of_o the_o ancient_n do_v ever_o call_v baptism_n a_o sacrifice_n and_o therefore_o the_o representation_n of_o christ_n death_n alone_o can_v not_o be_v the_o cause_n why_o they_o call_v the_o lord_n supper_n a_o
and_o bellarmine_n pretend_v that_o athan._n the_o chaldie_n paraphra_v and_o the_o rabbin_n do_v expound_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d gehinnom_n which_o signify_v the_o place_n where_o the_o damn_a be_v in_o torment_n but_o 1._o if_o it_o be_v so_o this_o be_v nothing_o to_o that_o limbus_n which_o they_o contend_v for_o 2._o neither_o be_v it_o true_a that_o those_o author_n do_v usual_o so_o expound_v the_o word_n for_o the_o chaldie_n paraphra_v for_o the_o most_o part_n keep_v the_o hebrew_n word_n sheol_n itself_o only_o sometime_o it_o be_v a_o little_a change_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d shiol_n and_o many_o time_n do_v he_o use_v the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d kebura_n or_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d keburta_fw-mi that_o be_v the_o grave_a to_o express_v the_o hebrew_n sheol_n by_o or_o which_o be_v the_o same_o in_o effect_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v keburta_n or_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i._o e._n the_o house_n of_o the_o grave_a as_o job._n 7._o 9_o and_o 14._o 13._o and_o 17._o 13._o and_o 16._o psal_n 89._o 48._o and_o 141._o 7._o and_o eccles_n 9_o 10._o in_o all_o these_o place_n do_v the_o chaldie_n pharaphra_v render_v the_o hebrew_n word_n sheol_n the_o grave_n or_o the_o house_n of_o the_o grave_n let_v any_o romanist_n show_v that_o he_o render_v it_o so_o often_o by_o that_o word_n which_o signify_v the_o place_n of_o torment_n though_o as_o i_o say_v before_o that_o be_v nothing_o to_o their_o limbus_n patrum_fw-la and_o thus_o also_o do_v the_o rabbin_n interpret_v the_o word_n sheol_n r._n levi_n say_v that_o sheol_n do_v signify_v the_o grave_a and_o that_o therefore_o it_o be_v put_v for_o death_n 2_o sam._n 22._o 6._o 10._o so_o also_o r._n nathan_n mordecai_n in_o his_o hebrew_a concordance_n say_v that_o the_o interpretation_n of_o sheol_n be_v the_o grave_a aben_n ezra_n also_o say_v the_o same_o in_o his_o commentary_n on_o gen._n 37._o 35._o and_o moreover_o he_o tax_v the_o vulgar_a latin_a translator_n for_o interpret_n sheol_n there_o hell_n suppose_v he_o to_o have_v mean_v the_o hell_n of_o the_o damn_a kimchi_n likewise_o say_v that_o those_o word_n psal_n 16._o 10._o thou_o will_v not_o suffer_v thy_o holy_a one_o to_o see_v corruption_n be_v but_o a_o repetition_n of_o that_o which_o go_v before_o thou_o will_v not_o leave_v my_o soul_n in_o hell_n which_o show_v that_o he_o take_v sheol_n there_o render_v hell_n for_o the_o grave_a it_o be_v true_a sometime_o the_o rabbin_n expound_v sheol_n by_o gehinnam_fw-la i._n e._n hell_n the_o place_n of_o torment_n but_o they_o do_v not_o hold_v that_o to_o be_v the_o simple_a and_o genuine_a signification_n of_o the_o word_n as_o appear_v by_o r._n solomon_n on_o gen._n 37._o 35._o who_o say_v that_o sheol_n there_o according_a to_o the_o literal_a exposition_n be_v the_o grave_a and_o that_o 35._o jacob_n meaning_n be_v that_o he_o will_v go_v mourning_n to_o the_o grave_a and_o will_v not_o be_v comfort_v but_o that_o according_a to_o the_o mystical_a exposition_n by_o sheol_n there_o be_v mean_v gehinnam_fw-la the_o hell_n of_o the_o damn_a so_o kimchi_n upon_o those_o word_n psal_n 9_o 17._o 17._o the_o wicked_a shall_v be_v turn_v into_o hell_n where_o the_o hebrew_n be_v sheol_n interpret_v it_o let_v the_o wicked_a be_v turn_v into_o the_o grave_a and_o afterward_o add_v that_o mystical_o there_o by_o sheol_n be_v understand_v gehinnam_fw-la the_o place_n of_o torment_n obj._n but_o they_o say_v that_o in_o these_o word_n thou_o will_v not_o leave_v my_o soul_n in_o hell_n the_o grave_n can_v be_v mean_v by_o hell_n because_o the_o grave_n be_v not_o a_o place_n for_o the_o soul_n but_o for_o the_o body_n answ_n the_o word_n soul_n be_v sometime_o put_v for_o the_o body_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o for_o man_n consider_v in_o respect_n of_o the_o body_n as_o gen._n 46._o 26._o all_o the_o soul_n that_o come_v with_o jacob_n into_o egypt_n which_o come_v out_o of_o his_o loin_n etc._n etc._n 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