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the_o pagan_n say_v in_o their_o heart_n why_o forsake_v we_o our_o god_n see_v the_o christian_n themselves_o worship_v they_o as_o well_o as_o we_o and_o again_o behold_v against_o what_o true_a god_n thou_o do_v offend_v while_o thou_o fall_v down_o before_o false_a go_n s._n augustine_n speak_v not_o one_o word_n in_o all_o that_o sermon_n of_o ceremony_n or_o any_o thing_n else_o take_v from_o the_o gentiles_n and_o by_o christian_n convert_v to_o other_o use_n much_o less_o of_o any_o such_o matter_n as_o we_o have_v new_a in_o question_n and_o therefore_o you_o do_v but_o abuse_v the_o reader_n by_o recite_v certain_a word_n of_o s._n augustine_n without_o the_o circumstance_n which_o open_v the_o true_a meaning_n of_o they_o i_o praise_v your_o wit_n for_o say_v that_o such_o thing_n may_v be_v convert_v to_o private_a use_n for_o deny_v that_o as_o s._n augustine_n plain_o do_v and_o i_o shall_v be_v find_v unto_o you_o that_o your_o doctrine_n shall_v have_v the_o few_o fautor_n by_o 3._o part_n for_o sure_o many_o that_o condemn_v your_o opinion_n in_o heart_n for_o hope_n of_o private_a commodity_n that_o may_v come_v unto_o they_o by_o the_o dissolution_n of_o college_n church_n etc._n etc._n do_v seem_v very_o well_o to_o like_v of_o they_o wherefore_o teach_v they_o if_o you_o be_v wise_a that_o such_o thing_n may_v be_v convert_v to_o their_o private_a use_n whatsoever_o augustine_n say_v to_o the_o contrary_n augustine_n say_v also_o that_o they_o may_v be_v convert_v in_o honorem_fw-la dei_fw-la unto_o the_o honour_n of_o god_n what_o say_v you_o to_o that_o as_o for_o your_o deny_v that_o that_o use_n be_v in_o distinguish_v either_o the_o minister_n from_o other_o man_n etc._n etc._n because_o it_o be_v but_o your_o bare_a denial_n against_o all_o the_o proof_n allege_v i_o will_v with_o affirm_v the_o contrary_a pass_v it_o over_o chap._n 5._o the_o four_o division_n answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 58._o sect._n 2._o 3._o peter_n martyr_n in_o the_o epistle_n before_o mention_v touch_v this_o matter_n martyr_n p._n martyr_n write_v on_o this_o sort_n but_o let_v we_o consider_v your_o other_o argument_n that_o be_v to_o say_v it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o use_v these_o kind_n of_o vesture_n because_o they_o be_v invent_v by_o the_o pope_n tyranny_n in_o this_o point_n i_o do_v not_o well_o perceive_v how_o it_o may_v be_v affirm_v for_o a_o surety_n that_o we_o can_v use_v nothing_o that_o pertein_v to_o the_o pope_n and_o be_v use_v in_o god_n temple_n of_o idol_n conver_n t_v to_o the_o wor_n ship_n of_o god_n popery_n true_o we_o must_v take_v good_a heed_n that_o we_o bring_v not_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n into_o such_o bondage_n that_o it_o may_v not_o use_v any_o thing_n that_o the_o pope_n use_v it_o be_v very_o true_a that_o our_o forefather_n take_v the_o temple_n of_o idol_n &_o turn_v revenue_n revenue_n they_o into_o holy_a church_n where_o christ_n shall_v be_v worship_v and_o they_o take_v also_o the_o salary_n and_o revenue_n consecrate_v to_o the_o idol_n of_o the_o gentiles_n to_o their_o wicked_a show_n and_o play_n and_o to_o their_o holy_a votary_n virgin_n and_o transpose_v it_o to_o find_v the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n and_o yet_o all_o these_o thing_n do_v not_o only_a service_n unto_o antichrist_n but_o unto_o the_o devil_n yea_o the_o holy_a ecclesiastical_a poete_n phrase_n of_o poete_n writer_n do_v not_o stick_v to_o take_v the_o verse_n of_o poete_n which_o have_v be_v dedicate_v to_o muse_n and_o to_o other_o diverse_a god_n and_o goddess_n for_o to_o be_v play_v in_o play_n and_o speak_v in_o show_n to_o obtain_v the_o favour_n of_o their_o god_n i_o say_v they_o do_v nothing_o stick_v or_o fear_v to_o use_v they_o when_o it_o seem_v to_o they_o convenient_a imitate_v paul_n the_o apostle_n who_o stick_v nothing_o at_o all_o to_o rehearse_v for_o his_o purpose_n menander_n aratus_n and_o epimenides_n and_o that_o he_o do_v in_o entreat_v the_o 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which_o be_v consecrate_v unto_o idol_n be_v well_o use_v tertullian_n answer_v in_o the_o same_o book_n whereout_o a_o number_n of_o these_o be_v take_v when_o he_o say_v that_o we_o ought_v to_o admit_v a_o participation_n of_o those_o thing_n which_o bring_v either_o a_o necessity_n or_o profit_n in_o the_o use_n of_o they_o but_o we_o deny_v these_o thing_n thus_o use_v be_v either_o necessary_a or_o profitable_a and_o therefore_o in_o stead_n of_o temple_n tithe_n wine_n etc._n etc._n if_o you_o will_v have_v match_v the_o surplice_n well_o you_o shall_v have_v say_v sensor_n taper_n holy_a bread_n holy_a water_n and_o such_o like_a io._n whitgifte_n master_n martyr_n use_v these_o example_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o surplice_n and_o other_o apparel_n of_o minister_n now_o use_v for_o that_o be_v the_o matter_n he_o handle_v
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confident_o avouch_v that_o which_o you_o can_v prove_v the_o distribution_n of_o the_o cup_n in_o the_o lord_n supper_n be_v command_v in_o manifest_a and_o express_v word_n as_o a_o part_n of_o the_o supper_n but_o you_o can_v show_v i_o the_o like_a commandment_n that_o only_o a_o minister_n shall_v celebrate_v baptism_n or_o else_o that_o it_o be_v no_o baptism_n we_o know_v that_o circumcision_n the_o figure_n of_o baptism_n be_v minister_v sometime_o by_o such_o as_o be_v no_o priest_n and_o yet_o right_a and_o true_a circumcision_n chap._n 5._o the._n 6._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 114._o sect._n 1_o and_o for_o as_o much_o as_o s._n paul_n say_v that_o a_o man_n can_v preach_v which_o be_v not_o send_v text_n send_v this_o be_v add_v to_o the_o text_n no_o not_o 10._o rom._n 10._o although_o he_o speak_v the_o word_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o interpret_v they_o so_o i_o can_v see_v how_o a_o man_n can_v baptise_v unless_o that_o he_o be_v send_v to_o that_o end_n 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man_n may_v not_o preach_v the_o word_n upon_o occasion_n and_o so_o consequent_o baptise_v chap._n 5._o the._n 7._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 114._o sect._n 1_o i_o know_v there_o be_v diverse_a difficulty_n diverse_a the_o more_o to_o blame_v you_o be_v without_o proo_o to_o enter_v into_o such_o difficulty_n difficulty_n in_o this_o question_n and_o therefore_o i_o be_v sooth_n to_o enter_v into_o it_o but_o that_o the_o answerer_n set_v down_o so_o confident_o that_o it_o make_v no_o matter_n for_o the_o truth_n of_o baptism_n whether_o he_o be_v minister_v or_o no_o minister_n and_o so_o whether_o one_o have_v a_o calling_n or_o no_o calling_n wherein_o notwithstanding_o he_o do_v not_o only_o by_o his_o often_o handle_v of_o one_o thing_n confound_v his_o reader_n but_o himself_o also_o and_o forget_v that_o he_o be_v in_o a_o other_o question_n than_o which_o be_v propound_v for_o although_o it_o shall_v be_v graunce_v he_o that_o the_o sacrament_n do_v not_o depend_v upon_o 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so_o according_o and_o therefore_o there_o be_v no_o like_a peril_n in_o the_o one_o as_o there_o be_v in_o the_o other_o ¶_o of_o the_o party_n that_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v chap._n 4._o the_o first_o division_n admonition_n ▪_o that_o the_o party_n to_o be_v baptize_v if_o they_o be_v of_o the_o year_n of_o 6._o of_o math._n 6._o discretion_n by_o themselves_o and_o in_o their_o own_o person_n or_o if_o they_o be_v infant_n by_o their_o parent_n in_o who_o rooine_n if_o upon_o necessary_a occasion_n they_o be_v absent_a some_o one_o of_o the_o congregation_n know_v the_o good_a behaviour_n and_o sound_n faith_n of_o the_o par_fw-fr tes_z may_z both_o make_v rehearsal_n if_o their_o faith_n and_o also_o if_o their_o faith_n be_v sound_o &_o agreeable_a to_o holy_a scripture_n desire_v to_o be_v in_o the_o same_o baptise_a and_o final_o that_o nothing_o be_v do_v in_o this_o or_o any_o other_o thing_n but_o that_o which_o you_o have_v the_o express_a warrant_n of_o god_n word_n for_o answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 111._o sect._n 1._o 2._o i_o muse_v what_o you_o mean_v to_o say_v on_o this_o sort_n the_o party_n to_o be_v baptize_v baptize_v of_o those_o that_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v if_o they_o be_v of_o the_o year_n of_o discretion_n etc._n etc._n you_o know_v that_o in_o this_o church_n of_o england_n none_o tarry_v for_o baptism_n so_o long_o except_o it_o be_v in_o some_o secret_a congregation_n of_o anabaptiste_n the_o place_n allege_v out_o of_o the_o three_o of_o matthew_n tell_v how_o they_o that_o be_v baptize_v confess_v their_o sin_n it_o speak_v nothing_o of_o any_o confession_n of_o faith_n it_o be_v well_o that_o you_o admit_v some_o to_o answer_v for_o the_o infant_n in_o the_o child_n of_o the_o parent_n answer_v or_o their_o child_n absence_n of_o the_o parent_n and_o why_o not_o in_o his_o presence_n to_o what_o scripture_n have_v you_o that_o the_o parent_n at_o the_o baptise_v of_o his_o child_n shall_v make_v a_o rehearsal_n of_o 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