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may_v stand_v s._n ambrose_n who_o faith_n be_v the_o general_a faith_n of_o christendom_n in_o his_o â—ayes_v &_o he_o do_v not_o only_o oftentimes_o repeat_v that_o by_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n utter_v by_o the_o priest_n upon_o the_o bread_n the_o nature_n &_o substance_n thereof_o be_v change_v into_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n but_o prove_v the_o same_o by_o example_n of_o all_o the_o miraculous_a mutation_n &_o conversion_n record_v in_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n prebemus_fw-la say_v he_o non_fw-la hoc_fw-la esse_fw-la quod_fw-la natura_fw-la formanit_fw-la 9_o sed_fw-la quod_fw-la benedictio_fw-la consecravit_fw-la maiorémque_fw-la vim_o esse_fw-la benedictionis_fw-la quam_fw-la naturae_fw-la quia_fw-la benedictione_n etiam_fw-la ipsa_fw-la natura_fw-la mutatur_fw-la let_v we_o prove_v then_o by_o all_o these_o other_o miracle_n that_o this_o which_o be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n be_v not_o that_o which_o nature_n do_v frame_v use_v bread_n and_o wine_n 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profitt_a come_v to_o we_o thereby_o etc._n etc._n and_o then_o s._n chrysostome_n declare_v at_o large_a how_o christ_n most_o miraculous_o above_o all_o human_a power_n give_v his_o body_n to_o be_v handle_v and_o eat_v by_o we_o â—n_o the_o sacrament_n so_o as_o we_o fasten_v our_o tooth_n in_o his_o flesh_n and_o that_o he_o do_v more_o than_o ever_o any_o parent_n do_v who_o many_o time_n give_v their_o child_n to_o other_o to_o be_v feed_v but_o christ_n feed_v we_o with_o his_o own_o flesh_n and_o with_o that_o very_a flesh_n by_o which_o he_o be_v our_o brother_n and_o unite_v unto_o we_o in_o flesh_n out_o of_o which_o discourse_n d._n westonâ—rged_v â—rged_z that_o for_o so_o much_o as_o christ_n be_v make_v our_o brother_n and_o kinsman_n by_o his_o true_a natural_a &_o organical_a flesh_n erge_n he_o give_v the_o same_o his_o true_a natural_a and_o organical_a flesh_n to_o we_o to_o be_v eat_v in_o the_o sacrament_n whereto_o cranmer_n answer_v i_o grant_v the_o 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that_o with_o our_o tooth_n or_o corporal_a mouth_n as_o s._n chrysostome_n say_v how_o can_v it_o be_v deny_v but_o that_o we_o eat_v his_o flesh_n real_o and_o not_o spiritual_o only_a if_o spiritual_o be_v opposite_a to_o real_o as_o in_o cranmers_n sense_n it_o be_v which_o understand_v spiritual_o and_o figurative_o to_o be_v all_o one_o but_o in_o our_o sense_n spiritual_o stand_v with_o real_o for_o that_o we_o hold_v christ_n body_n to_o be_v receive_v real_o and_o substantial_o in_o the_o sacrament_n but_o yet_o after_o a_o spiritual_a manner_n different_a from_o that_o which_o the_o capharnait_n do_v imagine_v of_o a_o gross_a carnal_a eatinge_v of_o christ_n flesh_n as_o other_o flesh_n be_v accustom_v to_o be_v eat_v wherefore_o to_o imagine_v that_o christ_n true_a natural_a or_o organical_a flesh_n be_v eat_v true_o in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o yet_o only_o absent_a by_o faith_n spiritual_o and_o in_o a_o figure_n be_v to_o speak_v contradictoâ—yes_n with_o one_o breath_n 23._o diverse_a other_o text_n and_o testimony_n of_o 〈◊〉_d chrysostome_n be_v allege_v by_o doctor_n weston_n reply_n â—o_o confute_v this_o ideacall_a fiction_n of_o doctor_n cranner_n as_o that_o for_o example_n homilia_fw-la 83._o in_o cap._n 26._o watch_n where_o he_o say_v among_o other_o thing_n â—eniat_fw-la tibi_fw-la in_o mentem_fw-la etc._n etc._n let_v it_o come_v into_o thy_o remembrance_n with_o what_o honour_n thou_o be_v honour_v in_o the_o sacrament_n what_o table_n how_o do_v enjoy_v for_o that_o we_o be_v nourish_v herein_o with_o the_o selfsame_o thing_n which_o the_o angel_n do_v behold_v and_o tremble_v at_o etc._n etc._n who_o shall_v speak_v the_o power_n of_o thy_o lord_n who_o shall_v declare_v forth_o all_o his_o praise_n what_o pastor_n have_v ever_o nourish_v his_o sheep_n with_o his_o own_o flesh_n etc._n etc._n christ_n feed_v we_o with_o his_o own_o body_n and_o conjoin_v &_o unit_v we_o to_o he_o thereby_o and_o
do_v use_v the_o example_n of_o our_o unity_n with_o god_n as_o though_o we_o be_v unite_v to_o the_o son_n and_o by_o the_o son_n to_o the_o father_n only_o by_o obedience_n and_o will_v of_o religion_n have_v no_o propriety_n of_o the_o natural_a conjunction_n by_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n lo_o here_o it_o be_v account_v a_o point_n of_o arrianisme_n by_o s._n hilary_n to_o hold_v that_o we_o be_v unite_v to_o christ_n only_o by_o obedience_n and_o will_n of_o relilion_n and_o not_o by_o propriety_n of_o natural_a communion_n with_o he_o by_o eatinge_v his_o flesh_n in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o his_o body_n and_o blood_n whereupon_o doctor_n weston_n urge_v often_o and_o earnest_o that_o not_o only_o by_o faith_n but_o by_o the_o nature_n of_o his_o flesh_n in_o the_o sacrament_n we_o be_v conjoin_v not_o spiritual_o only_a and_o by_o grace_n but_o natural_o and_o corporal_o whereunto_o cranmers_n answer_n be_v in_o these_o word_n i_o grant_v that_o cyrill_n and_o hilary_n do_v say_v that_o christ_n be_v unite_v to_o we_o not_o only_o by_o will_n but_o also_o by_o nature_n he_o be_v make_v one_o with_o we_o carnal_o and_o corporal_o because_o he_o take_v our_o nature_n of_o the_o virgin_n mary_n etc._n etc._n do_v you_o see_v his_o runninge_v from_o the_o sacrament_n to_o the_o nativity_n but_o hear_v out_o the_o end_n west_n hilary_n where_o he_o say_v christ_n communicate_v to_o we_o his_o nature_n mean_v not_o by_o his_o nativity_n but_o by_o the_o sacrament_n cran._n nay_o he_o communicate_v to_o we_o his_o flesh_n by_o his_o nativity_n west_n we_o communicate_v to_o he_o our_o flesh_n ibid._n when_o he_o be_v bear_v cran._n nay_o he_o communicate_v to_o we_o his_o flesh_n when_o he_o be_v bear_v &_o that_o i_o will_v show_v you_o out_o of_o cyrill_n west_n ergò_fw-la christ_n be_v bear_v give_v we_o his_o flesh_n cran._n in_o his_o nativity_n he_o make_v we_o partaker_n of_o his_o flesh_n west_n write_v sir_n cranm._n yea_o write_v and_o so_o end_v this_o encounter_n bring_v as_o you_o see_v to_o two_o absurditye_n on_o cranmers_n side_n the_o one_o that_o where_o s._n hilary_n speak_v of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n he_o fly_v still_o to_o the_o incarnation_n the_o other_o that_o he_o say_v christ_n to_o have_v impart_v his_o flesh_n to_o we_o in_o the_o incarnation_n wherein_o he_o take_v we_o wherefore_o doctor_n chadsey_n see_v the_o matter_n in_o this_o state_n interrupt_v they_o by_o accuse_v cranmer_n to_o have_v corrupt_v this_o place_n of_o s._n hilary_n in_o his_o book_n against_o the_o real_a presence_n translatinge_v these_o word_n nos_fw-la verè_fw-la sub_fw-la mysterio_fw-la carnenâ—corporis_fw-la svi_fw-la sumimus_fw-la we_o receive_v under_o the_o true_a mystery_n the_o flesh_n of_o his_o body_n whereas_o he_o shall_v have_v say_v we_o do_v receive_v true_o under_o a_o mystory_n or_o sacrament_n the_o flesh_n of_o his_o body_n which_o â—raud_n cranmer_n can_v by_o no_o other_o way_n avoid_v but_o by_o say_v that_o his_o book_n have_v vero_fw-la and_o not_o verè_fw-la which_o john_n fox_n say_v be_v a_o small_a fault_n and_o yet_o you_o see_v it_o alter_v all_o the_o sense_n as_o if_o a_o man_n shall_v say_v pistor_n for_o pastor_n 31._o the_o next_o conflict_n to_o this_o be_v between_o doctor_n yonge_n and_o doctor_n cranmer_n wherein_o yonge_n accusinge_v he_o first_o for_o denyinge_v of_o principle_n and_o consequent_o that_o they_o can_v hardly_o go_v forward_o with_o any_o fruitful_a disputation_n except_o they_o agree_v upon_o certain_a ground_n he_o make_v sundry_a demand_n unto_o he_o as_o first_o whether_o there_o be_v any_o other_o natural_o true_a body_n of_o christ_n but_o his_o organical_a or_o instrumental_a body_n item_n whether_o sense_n and_o reason_n ought_v not_o dispute_v to_o give_v place_n in_o this_o mystery_n to_o faith_n further_o whether_o christ_n be_v true_a in_o his_o word_n &_o whether_o he_o mind_v to_o do_v that_o which_o he_o speak_v at_o his_o last_o supper_n and_o final_o whether_o his_o word_n be_v effectual_a and_o wrought_v any_o thing_n or_o no_o to_o all_o which_o doctor_n cranmer_n answer_v affirmative_o grant_v that_o the_o say_v word_n of_o christ_n do_v work_v the_o institution_n of_o the_o sacrament_n whereunto_o doctor_n yonge_n reply_v that_o a_o figurative_a speech_n wrought_v nothing_o ergò_fw-la it_o be_v not_o a_o figurative_a speech_n when_o he_o say_v hoâ—â—st_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la and_o albeit_o d._n cranmer_n seek_v bâ—_n two_o or_o three_o struglinge_n to_o slip_n from_o this_o inference_n say_v that_o it_o be_v sophistry_n yet_o both_o doctor_n yonge_n and_o doctor_n weston_n who_o come_v in_o still_o at_o his_o turn_n say_v stick_v to_o this_o argument_n it_o be_v a_o figurative_a speech_n ergo_fw-la it_o work_v nothing_o that_o quick_o they_o bring_v doctor_n cranmer_n in_o plain_a word_n to_o grant_v that_o a_o figurative_a speech_n work_v nothing_o whereof_o they_o infer_v the_o contrary_a again_o on_o the_o other_o side_n a_o figurative_a 30._o speech_n say_v they_o work_v nothing_o by_o your_o confession_n but_o the_o speech_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o supper_n as_o you_o now_o grant_v wrought_v somewhat_o to_o wit_n the_o institution_n of_o the_o sacrament_n ergo_fw-la the_o speech_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o supper_n be_v not_o figurative_a which_o be_v the_o overthrow_n of_o the_o foundation_n of_o all_o sacramental_a buildinge_n 32._o and_o here_o you_o must_v note_v by_o the_o way_n that_o fox_n do_v not_o crown_v the_o head_n of_o this_o syllogism_n with_o any_o baroco_n or_o bocardo_n in_o the_o syllogism_n margin_n as_o he_o be_v common_o wont_a to_o do_v with_o the_o rest_n for_o that_o it_o please_v he_o not_o wherefore_o â—o_o leave_v he_o we_o shall_v pass_v to_o doctor_n cranmer_n himself_o who_o answer_n you_o shall_v hear_v in_o his_o own_o word_n i_o answer_v say_v he_o that_o these_o be_v mere_a sophism_n for_o speech_n do_v not_o work_n but_o christ_n by_o speech_n do_v work_v the_o sacrament_n i_o look_v for_o scripture_n at_o your_o hand_n for_o they_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o â—isputations_n so_o he_o and_o you_o may_v see_v by_o this_o his_o speech_n that_o he_o be_v entangle_v and_o will_v glad_o be_v rid_v of_o that_o he_o have_v grant_v for_o that_o both_o the_o mayor_n and_o minor_fw-la proposition_n be_v of_o his_o own_o grauntinge_v and_o the_o sillogisme_n good_a both_o in_o mood_n and_o form_n though_o the_o conclusion_n trouble_v both_o he_o and_o fox_n and_o the_o refuge_n whereunto_o both_o of_o they_o do_v run_v in_o this_o necessity_n the_o one_o in_o the_o text_n the_o other_o in_o the_o margin_n be_v very_o fond_a saying_n that_o not_o the_o speech_n of_o ghrist_n but_o christ_n do_v work_v as_o though_o any_o man_n will_v say_v that_o a_o speech_n work_v but_o by_o the_o virtue_n of_o the_o speaker_n and_o consequent_o if_o christ_n do_v work_n by_o a_o figurative_a speech_n then_o do_v a_o figurative_a speech_n work_v by_o his_o power_n and_o virtue_n and_o so_o waâ—_n it_o fondy_v grant_v by_o cranmer_n before_o that_o the_o figurative_a speech_n of_o christ_n in_o institutinge_v the_o sacrament_n for_o of_o that_o be_v the_o question_n do_v not_o work_v and_o it_o be_v a_o simple_a evasion_n now_o to_o run_v from_o christ_n speech_n to_o christ_n himself_o as_o though_o there_o can_v be_v a_o diversity_n every_o man_n may_v see_v these_o be_v but_o evasion_n 33._o but_o now_o further_o doctor_n yonge_n refute_v large_o this_o assertion_n that_o christ_n speech_n work_v not_o out_o of_o diverse_a and_o sundry_a plain_a testimony_n oâ—_n the_o father_n which_o there_o open_o he_o cause_v to_o be_v read_v and_o namely_o s._n ambrose_n as_o well_o in_o hiâ—_n book_n de_fw-fr initiandis_fw-la as_o de_fw-fr sacramentis_fw-la where_o he_o handle_v this_o matter_n of_o purpose_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o speech_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n to_o witâ—_n hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la do_v work_n &_o convert_v breaâ—_n and_o wine_n into_o flesh_n and_o blood_n and_o prove_v the_o same_o by_o many_o other_o example_n of_o scripture_n sermo_n christi_n say_v he_o 〈◊〉_d nihilo_fw-la facere_fw-la initiantur_fw-la â—nd_fw-la non_fw-la erat_fw-la non_fw-la potâ—st_fw-la ea_fw-la quâ—_n sunt_fw-la in_o id_fw-la mutare_fw-la quae_fw-la â—n_fw-la erant_fw-la the_o speech_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v able_a to_o make_v of_o nothing_o that_o which_o be_v not_o before_o shall_v it_o not_o be_v able_a to_o change_v those_o thing_n that_o be_v before_o into_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o and_o to_o the_o same_o effect_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr sacramentis_fw-la ergo_fw-la sermo_fw-la christi_fw-la hoc_fw-la conficit_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la 4._o qui_fw-la sermo_fw-la nempè_fw-la be_v etc._n etc._n therefore_o the_o speech_n of_o christ_n do_v make_v this_o sacrament_n
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6._o the_o oper_n sex_n dieâ—um_fw-la damascen_n l._n 2._o cap._n 7._o of_o the_o activity_n of_o accident_n be_v separate_v from_o their_o substance_n the_o word_n sacrament_n explicate_v the_o other_o word_n of_o type_n figure_n etc._n etc._n explicate_v note_v this_o example_n two_o signification_n of_o the_o word_n sacramental_o and_o both_o against_o the_o sacramentarye_n 1._o 2._o what_o the_o word_n spiritual_o signify_v in_o this_o mystery_n our_o heretic_n cavil_v like_a to_o that_o of_o the_o arrian_n council_n trâ—_n dent_fw-la sess_v 13._o canâ—â—_n d._n them_o 3._o part_n q._n 80._o art_n 1._o 1._o cor._n 11._o aug._n l._n 5._o the_o â—apt_a cap._n 8._o aug._n epist_n 162._o &_o in_o psalm_n 10._o aug._n tract_n 25._o in_o joan._n aug._n ep_v 49._o q._n â—_o 1._o cor._n 8._o matth._n 22._o tertul_n l._n the_o resur_n caro_fw-la â—â—ter_n in_o ep_v ad_fw-la pamachiâ—m_fw-la matth._n 11._o guitmundus_n lib_n 2._o &_o algerus_n leb_n 2_o cont_n berengarium_fw-la tert_n lib._n do_v carn_v christ_n &_o theod._n l._n 4._o haeret_fw-la faehul_n &_o euagr._fw-la l._n 1._o hist._n c._n 2._o notethese_n two_o example_n the_o first_o effect_n of_o sacrifice_n the_o second_o effect_n of_o sacrifice_n with_o 3._o degree_n thereof_o two_o thing_n to_o be_v consider_v di_fw-it di_fw-it it_o be_v grant_v sa_fw-it sa_fw-it it_o be_v true_a natural_o mis._n mis._n but_o you_o may_v be_v supernatural_o dam_fw-ge dam_fw-ge that_o be_v by_o course_n of_o nature_n ri_fw-it ri_fw-it true_a i_o i_o true_a natural_o natural_o it_o be_v true_a according_a â—â—_o the_o ordinary_a nature_n of_o a_o soul_n soul_n the_o one_o and_o the_o other_o may_v be_v by_o god_n omnipotency_n omnipotency_n true_a according_a to_o their_o ordinary_a course_n of_o nature_n nature_n christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n fill_v no_o place_n basilius_n basilius_n this_o be_v fall_n for_o fox_n his_o soul_n be_v in_o his_o foot_n and_o head_n and_o yet_o not_o god_n ro_o co_fw-la co_fw-la naturally_n fe_o sti_fw-la sti_fw-la this_o be_v false_a no._n fe_o fe_o this_o grant_v sti_fw-la sti_fw-la it_o be_v true_a de_fw-fr facto_fw-la in_o heaven_n but_o not_o in_o the_o sacrament_n no._n no._n true_a as_o it_o be_v circuscribe_v dam_fw-ge dam_fw-ge true_a natural_o but_o not_o supernatural_o ri_fw-it ri_fw-it true_a though_o a_o body_n be_v 〈…〉_o quantity_n but_o a_o substance_n that_o have_v quantity_n i_o i_o non_fw-la soquitur_fw-la aug._n l._n 21_o de_fw-fr civit._n dâ—â—_n cap._n â—1_n philâ—_n of_o his_o styire_n in_o the_o convocation_n house_n about_o this_o argument_n fox_n pag._n 1288._o 1._o tim._n melancth_v epistola_fw-la ad_fw-la martâ—â—um_fw-la 〈◊〉_d to_o the_o first_o argument_n to_o the_o second_o to_o the_o three_o to_o the_o four_o to_o the_o five_o to_o the_o sixth_o to_o the_o seven_o to_o the_o eight_o basilius_n ro_o co_fw-la s._n augustine_n sentence_n of_o drink_v christ_n blood_n aug._n in_o exposit_n isalm_n 33._o in_o psalm_n â—5_n tract_n 31._o in_o joan._n de_fw-fr utilâ—t_fw-la paenit_fw-la c._n 1._o lib._n 2._o contra_fw-la advers._n leg_n &_o proph_n c._n 9_o fe_o fe_o without_o all_o quantity_n ri_fw-it ri_fw-it not_o without_o all_o quantity_n â—_o fox_n paâ—_n 1327._o a_o comical_a divise_n of_o john_n fox_n fox_n ibid._n dam_fw-ge ri_fw-it ri_fw-it false_a &_o foolish_a i_o i_fw-mi ri_fw-it ri_fw-it false_a nor_o be_v these_o proper_o quality_n â—_o â—_o suâ—ra_o mâ—â—se_a decembri_n fe_o fe_o it_o be_v deny_v â—i_fw-it â—i_fw-it and_o the_o like_a follow_v of_o the_o real_a presence_n without_o transubstantiation_n son_n ca_n ca_n true_a fruitful_o â—es_n â—es_n fruinteful_o they_o hâ—ue_v not_o tres_fw-la 1._o cor._n 12._o cypr._n sorâ—â—_n de_fw-fr lapsis_fw-la aug_n â—_o count_n fulgent_n donatist_n cap_n 6._o lib._n 2._o cont_n petâ—lian_n cap_n 11._o &_o in_o psalm_n 10._o &_o serm_n 11_o de_fw-fr verbis_fw-la domini_fw-la &_o 1._o de_fw-fr adulter_fw-la conâ—â—g_a c._n 17._o &_o tra_v 50._o in_o joan._n aug._n l_o 2d_o de_fw-fr cuâ—t_v des_fw-fr cap._n 31._o ican_n 6._o 6._o non_fw-fr sacrament_n tenus_fw-la matth._n 20._o math._n ibid._n box_n pag._n 1466._o â—a_n â—â—_o â—â—_o bornwell_n see_v this_o argument_n urge_v by_o causton_n higb_v and_o other_o foxian_a martyr_n pag._n 1400._o etc._n etc._n car_n do_v joan._n 20._o joan._n 16._o 7._o fox_n pag._n 11â—1_n 11â—1_n meâ—sâ—_n decemâ—r_n first_o objection_n fox_n pag._n 1400._o zuingl_n l._n da_o verâ—_n &_o fall_v religcap_n de_fw-fr euchar_n the_o auâ—swere_v aug._n &_o cyril_n in_o joan._n joan._n 6._o 6._o lib._n 3._o in_o â—p_n ad_fw-la rom._n capâ—_n â—_z â—_z serm._n de_fw-fr caena_n dom._n dom._n onâ—â—es_fw-fr onâ—â—es_fw-fr â—â—hunc_fw-la â—â—hunc_fw-la locum_fw-la 6._o loan_n m._n guest_n argument_n against_o the_o real_a presence_n fox_n pag._n 1258._o col_fw-fr 2._o num_fw-la 80._o gâ—n_n 2._o d._n perne_n fox_n paâ—_n 1261._o col_fw-fr 1._o num_fw-la 8._o guest_n second_o argument_n fox_n pag._n 1259._o lib._n primo_fw-la generate_v &_o lib._n 3._o phys._n pilkintonâ—_n second_o argument_n pilkintons_n three_o argument_n pilkintons_n four_o argument_n joan._n 12._o joan._n 17._o m._n philip_n his_o argument_n fox_n pag._n 1283._o matth._n 11._o jean_n 12._o aug._n tract_n 50._o in_o loan_n tract_n 70_o in_o leaâ—o_v aug._n ibid._n pag._n 1283._o in_o margin_n fox_n pag._n 12._o 4._o â—l_o 2._o num_fw-la 10._o philâ—otts_n first_o argument_n fox_n pag._n 1287._o &_o 1288._o the_o answer_v to_o m._n cheneyes_n argument_n about_o mitrition_n &_o generation_n certain_a place_n of_o father_n explain_v fox_n pag._n 1250._o col_fw-fr 2._o tert._n lib._n 4_o cont_n martion_n c._n 40._o magd._n câ—nt_fw-la 2._o cap._n 4._o old_a hetetike_n have_v frame_v some_o particular_a heresy_n out_o of_o the_o father_n by_o their_o misunderstandinge_v their_o meaning_n ambr._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr sacraâ—â—_n cap._n 4._o s._n ambrose_n expound_v himself_o against_o the_o protestant_n aug._n tract_n 25._o in_o joan._n the_o conclusion_n of_o this_o chapter_n the_o miserable_a case_n of_o sectarye_n with_o out_o any_o sure_a ground_n to_o icane_n unto_o disputation_n in_o the_o convocation_n house_n fox_n pag._n 1287._o col_fw-fr 2._o num_fw-la 30._o philpott_n first_o point_n to_o be_v observe_v the_o second_o point_n to_o be_v observe_v the_o three_o point_n considerable_a the_o 4._o point_n of_o note_n d._n glyâ—â—e_v his_o first_o discourse_n joan._n 6._o ibidem_fw-la joan._n 1._o the_o jew_v equal_a to_o we_o by_o the_o sacramentary_a doctrine_n joan._n 6._o fox_n pag._n 1253._o adoration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n aug_n in_o psalm_n 98._o chrysost._n hom_n 60._o ad_fw-la pop_n antioch_n psalm_n 9â—_n s._n ambrose_n and_o s._n austen_n handsome_o shift_v of_o d._n glyns_n reply_n fox_n pag._n 1254._o a_o strange_a shiftinge_n of_o the_o authoritye_n of_o father_n fox_n paâ—_n 1â—54_n col_fw-fr â—_o num_fw-la 3._o fox_n pag._n 1254._o s._n chrysostome_n shift_v of_o matth._n 11._o how_o s._n john_n baptist_n be_v elyas_n joan._n 1._o langdale_n dispute_v fox_n pag._n 1256._o col_fw-fr 1._o num_fw-la 43._o fox_n ibid._n m._n sedgewicke_n his_o disputation_n m._n ridley_n his_o own_o contradiction_n fox_n ibid._n m._n yonges_n disputation_n the_o confutation_n of_o â—_o after_o ridiâ—yes_n evasion_n about_o saint_n cyprian_n fox_n pag._n 1300._o fox_n pag._n 1326._o matth._n 2d_o marc_n 14._o luc._n 22._o fox_n pag._n 1_o 302._o col_fw-fr 1._o num_fw-la 70._o â—_o chadsoys_n first_o argument_n sup._n cap._n 3._o the_o second_o argument_n fox_n pag._n 1302._o aug_n 1._o â—â—_o unitat_fw-la ecil_n cap._n 10._o 3._o argument_n chrysost._n hom_n 61._o ad_fw-la pop._n antiâ—ch_n fox_n pag._n 1303_o col_fw-fr 2._o num_fw-la 1._o 4._o argument_n or_o reply_n in_o psal._n 50._o chrysost._n hom_n 38._o in_o matth._n fox_n pag._n 1303._o chrysost._n hom_n 29._o in_o 2._o cor._n 13._o fox_n pag._n 1233._o col_fw-fr 1._o 〈◊〉_d 74._o 5._o argument_n chrysost._n hom_n 34._o d._n weston_n do_v urge_n eager_o urgo_fw-la hec_fw-la urgo_fw-la hâ—c_fw-la fox_n pag._n 1233._o 6._o argument_n d._n chadsey_n tertull._n l._n the_o restrict_a carneâ—_n c._n 8._o cranmers_n shift_v of_o tertulliâ—â—_n tert._n ibid._n fox_n pag._n 2305._o 7._o argument_n out_o of_o s._n hilary_n d._n tressaâ—_n joâ—n_n 6._o fox_n pag._n 1306._o hilar._n l._n 8._o do_v trunt_fw-la bucer_n l._n count_n abrincensem_fw-la fox_n pag._n 1306._o hilar._n ibid._n fox_n ibid._n d._n yonge_n dispute_v fox_n pag._n 1307._o col_fw-fr 2._o num_fw-la 30._o fox_n angry_a with_o a_o syllogism_n amb._n the_o eâ—_n qui_fw-la initiantur_fw-la ambr._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr sacram._n cap._n 4._o s._n ambrose_n most_o clear_o against_o cranmer_n and_o fâ—x_n s._n ambrose_n correct_v by_o fox_n how_o cranmer_n shift_v of_o saint_n ambrose_n fox_n pag._n 1308_o col_fw-fr 1._o num_fw-la 7â—_n ambr._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr sacram._n cap._n 5._o ambr._n l._n 6._o de_fw-fr sacram._n cap._n 1._o the_o testimony_n of_o s._n justine_n examine_v justin._n apol._n 2._o iren._n lib._n 5._o cap._n 2._o cont_n haeres_fw-la diverse_a corruption_n object_v to_o cranmer_n fox_n pag._n
after_o his_o ascension_n illâ—_n spiritus_fw-la veritatis_fw-la docebit_fw-la vos_fw-la omnem_fw-la veritatem_fw-la that_o spirit_n of_o truth_n shall_v teach_v you_o all_o truth_n 27._o and_o these_o be_v all_o the_o argument_n of_o peter_n martyr_v register_v by_o fox_n who_o conclude_v in_o these_o word_n and_o thus_o brief_o we_o have_v run_v over_o all_o the_o argument_n and_o authoritye_n of_o peter_n martyr_n in_o that_o disputation_n at_o oxford_n with_o doctor_n tresham_n 11â—1_n chedsey_n and_o morgan_n before_o the_o king_n visitour_n above_o name_v anno_fw-la 1549._o so_o he_o and_o for_o so_o much_o as_o he_o set_v down_o no_o solution_n unto_o these_o argument_n we_o may_v imagine_v that_o he_o hold_v they_o for_o insoluble_a and_o then_o if_o you_o consider_v how_o weak_a and_o vain_a they_o have_v be_v and_o how_o easy_a to_o answer_v you_o will_v thereby_o see_v how_o sure_a ground_n this_o poor_a apostatafriar_n martyr_n have_v to_o become_v a_o sacramentary_a &_o to_o leave_v his_o former_a religion_n which_o have_v endure_v in_o christ_n church_n for_o so_o many_o age_n before_o yea_o and_o to_o oppose_v himself_o against_o doctor_n luther_n in_o this_o point_n of_o the_o reall-presence_n who_o be_v their_o prophet_n and_o have_v first_o of_o all_o open_v unto_o he_o &_o other_o the_o gap_n to_o his_o apostasy_n and_o final_o what_o good_a assurance_n a_o man_n may_v have_v to_o adventure_v his_o soul_n with_o these_o companion_n in_o such_o a_o quarrel_n as_o cranmer_n ridley_n latymer_n rogers_n hooper_n and_o other_o do_v who_o have_v be_v cath._n priest_n for_o many_o year_n do_v first_o of_o all_o other_o embrace_v in_o england_n these_o new_a opinion_n of_o peter_n martyr_n which_o yet_o be_v so_o young_a and_o green_a as_o himself_o be_v scarce_o settle_v in_o they_o when_o he_o first_o enter_v in_o to_o that_o island_n as_o in_o his_o decemâ—r_n story_n more_o particular_o we_o have_v declare_v wherefore_o to_o leave_v he_o we_o shall_v now_o examine_v some_o other_o argument_n allege_v by_o other_o after_o he_o especial_o by_o those_o that_o be_v actor_n in_o the_o former_a ten_o disputation_n at_o oxford_n cambridge_n and_o london_n which_o be_v not_o much_o few_o in_o number_n than_o these_o allege_v already_o of_o peter_n martyr_n the_o four_o sort_n of_o argument_n allege_v by_o other_o after_o peter_n martyr_n §._o 4._o 28._o and_o of_o these_o the_o first_o shall_v be_v your_o of_o causon_n and_o higbed_n in_o their_o confession_n to_o b._n bonner_n â—nno_fw-la domini_fw-la 1555._o the_o flesh_n profit_v nothing_o say_v objection_n christ_n joan._n 6._o ergo_fw-la christ_n have_v not_o give_v his_o flesh_n to_o be_v eat_v in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o diverse_a other_o do_v 1400._o object_n the_o same_o as_o a_o great_a argument_n yea_o zuinglius_fw-la himself_n call_v this_o argument_n a_o brazen_a brickwall_n euchar_n and_o a_o most_o strong_a adamant_n that_o can_v be_v â—oken_v but_o the_o ancient_a father_n thaâ—_n know_v more_o than_o zuinglius_fw-la do_v easy_o break_v this_o adamant_n and_o brazen_a wall_n givinge_v diverse_a solution_n auâ—swere_v thereof_o as_o first_o that_o if_o we_o take_v these_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n to_o be_v speak_v proper_o of_o his_o flesh_n then_o must_v the_o sense_n be_v that_o his_o only_a flesh_n without_o his_o soul_n &_o divinity_n prosit_v not_o to_o our_o salvation_n and_o so_o do_v expound_v the_o place_n both_o s._n augustine_n and_o s._n cyrill_n for_o that_o joan._n otherwise_o no_o man_n can_v deny_v but_o that_o christ_n flesh_n with_o his_o soul_n and_o divinity_n do_v profitt_a great_o even_o in_o the_o sacrament_n it_o self_n for_o that_o christ_n in_o the_o selfsame_o chapter_n of_o saint_n john_n say_v he_o that_o eat_v my_o flesh_n have_v life_n everlasting_a 6._o second_o other_o father_n more_o to_o the_o literal_a sense_n do_v interpret_v those_o word_n the_o flesh_n profit_v nothing_o not_o that_o christ_n flesh_n do_v not_o profitt_a but_o that_o the_o carnal_a understand_v of_o that_o speech_n of_o christ_n about_o his_o flesh_n to_o be_v eat_v in_o the_o sacrament_n such_o as_o the_o capharnaiâ—e_n have_v who_o he_o refute_v profit_v not_o to_o ouâ—_n salvation_n but_o require_v a_o more_o spiritual_a and_o high_a understand_v to_o wit_n that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v eat_v in_o another_o manner_n under_o the_o form_n oâ—_n bread_n and_o wine_n and_o this_o be_v the_o exposition_n both_o of_o â—_z origen_n dom._n s._n cyprian_n onâ—â—es_fw-fr s._n chrysostome_n â—â—hunc_fw-la â—heophilact_v loan_n euâ—himius_n and_o other_o and_o be_v thâ—_n more_o plain_a and_o manifest_a sense_n of_o that_o place_n 29._o master_n guest_n one_o of_o the_o protestant_a opponent_n in_o the_o first_o cambridge_n disputation_n presence_n against_o doctor_n glyn_n urge_v again_o and_o against_o this_o argument_n that_o which_o christ_n take_v he_o bless_v that_o which_o he_o bless_v he_o break_v that_o which_o he_o break_v 80._o he_o give_v but_o he_o take_v bread_n ergò_fw-la he_o give_v bread_n tâ—_n which_o argument_n doctor_n glyn_n answer_v by_o a_o like_a collection_n out_o of_o the_o scripture_n that_o which_o goâ—_n 2._o take_v out_o of_o adam_n side_n be_v a_o rib_n but_o what_o he_o take_v that_o he_o bring_v and_o deliver_v to_o adam_n for_o his_o wise_a ergò_fw-la he_o deliver_v he_o a_o rib_n for_o his_o wife_n which_o answer_n though_o it_o make_v the_o auditory_a tâ—_n laugh_v yet_o master_n perne_n come_n to_o answer_n perne_n for_o the_o protestant_a party_n upon_o the_o three_o day_n oâ—_n disputation_n will_v needs_o urge_v the_o same_o argument_n again_o in_o his_o preface_n which_o master_n vavisour_n that_o dispute_v against_o he_o repeat_v public_o give_v the_o like_a answer_n about_o the_o ribbâ—_n out_o of_o genesis_n wherewith_o fox_n be_v angry_a make_v this_o note_n in_o the_o margin_n a_o unsaverâ—_a comparison_n perhaps_o for_o that_o he_o hold_v thâ—_n 8._o rib_n for_o rot_a which_o so_o long_o ago_o be_v take_v out_o of_o adam_n side_n for_o that_o otherwise_o i_o dâ—_n not_o see_v what_o evil_a savour_n fox_n can_v find_v therein_o but_o the_o effect_n of_o the_o answer_n stand_v in_o this_o that_o as_o god_n take_v a_o rib_n and_o make_v thereof_o our_o mother_n eva_n so_o christ_n take_v bread_n and_o thereof_o make_v his_o body_n though_o in_o a_o different_a manner_n the_o matter_n or_o substance_n remain_v in_o the_o one_o change_n but_o not_o in_o the_o other_o 30._o the_o same_o guest_n in_o the_o same_o disputation_n make_v this_o other_o argument_n against_o the_o reall-presence_n argument_n the_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v not_o generate_v or_o beget_v in_o the_o sacrament_n ergò_fw-la it_o be_v not_o in_o the_o sacrament_n 1259._o whereunto_o doctor_n glyn_n answer_v you_o impugn_v a_o thing_n you_o know_v not_o what_o call_v you_o generation_n guest_n generation_n be_v the_o production_n of_o accident_n glyn._n a_o new_a definition_n of_o a_o new_a philosopher_n thus_o they_o two_o and_o no_o one_o word_n more_o about_o this_o argument_n nor_o do_v guest_n reply_v either_o in_o jest_n or_o earnest_n but_o leap_v present_o to_o his_o former_a argument_n again_o that_o which_o he_o take_v he_o bless_v that_o which_o he_o bless_v he_o break_v that_o which_o he_o break_v he_o give_v etc._n etc._n wherefore_o to_o answer_v guest_n objection_n we_o say_v first_o that_o generation_n be_v not_o the_o production_n of_o accident_n as_o fond_o he_o affirm_v which_o production_n of_o accident_n appertain_v rather_o to_o alteration_n augmentation_n and_o local_a motion_n as_o aristotle_n teach_v phys._n whereas_o generation_n be_v the_o production_n of_o a_o substance_n and_o not_o of_o accident_n second_o we_o say_v that_o christ_n body_n in_o the_o sacrament_n be_v there_o not_o by_o generation_n nor_o creation_n but_o by_o another_o miraculous_a operation_n of_o god_n call_v transubstantion_n which_o be_v a_o 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equivocation_n in_o the_o
to_o doctor_n chadsey_n stick_v to_o those_o word_n of_o tertullian_n as_o fox_n 2305._o affirm_v it_o be_v like_o that_o the_o foresay_a tale_n of_o urge_v urge_v feign_v of_o he_o be_v mean_v at_o this_o tyme._n but_o if_o it_o be_v the_o reader_n may_v easy_o see_v that_o he_o have_v more_o to_o urge_v against_o his_o adversary_n than_o a_o port_n at_o his_o elbow_n and_o so_o shall_v you_o see_v by_o that_o which_o be_v to_o ensue_v wherefore_o let_v we_o pass_v yet_o somewhat_o further_o in_o this_o combat_n 27._o doctor_z cranmer_z have_v breathe_v a_o little_a hilary_n upon_o the_o former_a sharp_a onsett_a of_o chadsey_n and_o weston_n one_o doctor_n tressam_fw-la begin_v very_o grave_o and_o moderate_o to_o urge_v a_o new_a argument_n and_o discourse_n which_o seem_v very_o important_a and_o after_o it_o be_v urge_v do_v more_o strain_n and_o press_v the_o defendant_n than_o any_o thing_n before_o dispute_v the_o argument_n be_v found_v upon_o a_o place_n tressaâ—_n of_o s._n 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