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A10973	Two dialogues, or conferences (about an old question lately renued, and by the schismaticall company, both by printed pamphlets, and otherwise to the disturbance of the Churches quiet, and of peaceable minds, very hotly pursued.) Concerning kneeling in the very act of receiuing the sacramental bread and wine, in the Supper of the Lord The former betweene two ministers of the word, the one refractarie, and depriued; the other not so. The latter betweene an humorous schismatike and a setled professor.	Rogers, Thomas, d. 1616.	1608 (1608)	STC 21241; ESTC S116109	75,976	132

admimistring the Sacraments then Christians haue Or be Christians in more bondage this way and restrained than the Iewes And might the Iewes vpon good considerations doe these things and may not Christians without sinne doe as they did Wee take therefore what you acknowledge though wee will not acknowledge it to be true namely that the manner of taking and receauing the Passe-ouer was altered the Iewes taking it at the first standing in processe of time sitting What gather you thereof Schis Hereby kneeling is conuinced as being a gesture altogether vnanswereable to eating Pro. Whereof is Kneeling conuinced Shew you haue not yet declared Or what maketh the Iewes sitting at the last or standing at the first to our Kneeling at the Communion Kneeling differeth from Sitting Standing Walking and the like but answereth to eating and drinking well enough For wee may eate to our mutual comfort if the common guise were not otherwise as well Kneeling as Sitting Standing or any other way which you cannot truly deny If ciuilly we may so doe at our common refreshings why not much more Ecclesiasticallie and sacramentallie at the Supper of the Lord Schis Because such Kneeling it darkeneth the counsell of God and being a signe of the greatest submission obscureth the reioycing familiaritie which the Lords Supper signifieth and sealeth Pro. Kneeling at the Communion darkeneth say you the counsell of God and obscureth the Reioycing familiaritie which the Lords Supper signifieth and sealeth For the ratifying of these your assertions you quote Scripture and bring a reason The places of Scripture which you quote be two the former out of Iob the latter from S. Paul Out of the booke of Iob the place is this Who is this that darkeneth the counsell by words without knowledge alledged onely for the phrase sake but concerneth the point in controuersie not a whit S. Pauls words bee these After the same manner also hee tooke the cuppe when he had supped saying this cuppe is the new Testament in my blood This doe as oft as you shall drinke it in remembrance of mee For as often as yee shal eat this bread and drinke this cup yee shew the Lords death till he come Now what is this also against our Kneeling They which worthily participate of the bread and wine though they Kneele doe as comfortably and familiarly Communicate in the blessings of God as they which in any other sort receiue the Sacraments Your reason that it obscureth the reioycing familiaritie which the Lords Supper signifieth and sealeth because it is a signe of the greatest submission is so farre from obscuring that it furthereth the same reioycing familiarity nothing more For who can receiue either to Gods glory more notably or to their owne soules ioy more comfortably then they which with the greatest signe of submission and that vnto the diuine Maiestie repaire vnto the holy Supper Afore you said and truely how kneeling was a signe of the greatest reuerence here you say It is the greatest signe of submission These are no reasons to driue vs from it but very forcible motiues to make vs with cheerefulnes and alacrity to continue our Kneeling Besides you argue me thinkes but from a particular as though spirituall familiaritie only and not other things besides and namely and especially a gratefull remembrance and thankefull acknowledgement of all Gods mercies and fauours which is best expressed by Kneeling were to be in our thoughts When there be many causes inducing vs to receiue the Sacrament if we chuse that gesture we aboue all may testifie our true humiliation and thankefulnesse vnto God rather then our reioycing familiaritie one with another blame vs not And yet is this corporall submission and submissiue thankefulnes at no time without much spiritituall ioy and it may be more encreaseth godly ioy in them which Kneele and in them too before whom they Kneele then your acknowledged lesse reuerent Sitting as at a common feast Schis Doewe not condemne the Papists for ministring the Communion in one kind because such an administration is against Christ his example and doeth not liuely demonstrate the Lords death Pro. The condemnation of the Papists is iust for their such ministring And therefore the Scripture which you point vnto serueth verie aptlie to displaie their impietie which swarue from Christ his institution by ministring the Communion in one kinde but not against vs for Kneeling And their blame is the iuster and the more not so much because they swarue by their said ministring from his example which in some cases as afore hath beene showne is lawfull to be done as for that verie disobediently they transgresse the manifest Commandement of God which hath enioined the said Sacrament to be administred in both kindes Schis Heare a caueat is to be giuen that none take occasion by this discourse of mine to iustifie the childish pedagogy of signifying ceremonies deuised by man seeing Sitting was vsed by Christ the signification thereof is found in Scripture And therefore that childish pedagogie is not iustified by that worthy seruant of Christ M. Cartwright his iudgement viz. that Sitting doth signifie our rest in Christ Iesus Pro. Those children which allow and like of significant ceremonies may bee your Fathers in sound Diuinitie How and by whom such ceremonies are iustified it is needlesse to set downe but that they are iustified by most godlie and learned men their iudgement touching some ceremonies vsed euen at the Communion beare witnesse Greete yee one another with an holy kisse saith Saint Paul Erat elegans admonitio in osculo There was an elegant admonition in the kisse Nam coiunctionem intimam declarabat for it signified a most inward coniunction Also not onely a consent sed communionem sanctorum but the communion of Saints which they professed in doctrine and sacred ceremonies saith Arctius And of the same kisse Nec est dubitandum saith Peter Martyr it is not to bee doubted how in the primitiue Church Christians gaue one another the mutuall kisse of peace and consent before they went vnto the holy communion by which token their purpose was to admonish themselues of the communion of Saints celebrated in the mysteries The marginall annotation from Geneua vpon these words of the Apostle is How the Christians did so kisse in token of mutuall loue which thing was obserued in the primitiue Church when the Lords Supper was ministred Marke these things aduisedlie and you shall see First that to the administration of the Supper ceremonies as kissing more then euer Christ that wee know practised sure I am then hee euer prescribed were added Secondly how the said ceremonies were very elegant and significant And lastly that the said addition and ceremonies no not for their mysticall signification were neuer deemed either vnlawfull or childish as you childishlie doe call them but very highlie commended both by the Apostle and worthy interpretors in the Church of Christ. But to proceede still in the sacred Supper

to be receiued as the Lords supper on our part nor any part of the same Supper to bee performed with like ceremonies of zeale and deuotion as the verie taking and receiuing the bread and wine neither can wee so expresse and testifie the same reuerence as by Kneeling Your selfe afore saide then which you neuer spake truer words how the most solemne signe of reuerence is Kneeling The Sacrament is called you say The Communion be it so It is likewise called The new Testament and of the Fathers The Sacrament Eucharisticall or of Thanksgiuing and can we better manifest our thankfull hearts vnto our heauenly father then on bended knees And can there be no Communion euen at the Communion if we Kneele Doth the externall either Kneeling Sitting or Standing further or hinder our Communion betweene Christ and his Church These things dulie considered we ought not to imagine but that Christ aswell is honoured and better by Kneeling in the act of receiuing then by any other site or gesture of bodie whatsoeuer Schis That cannot be seeing it swarueth not onely from his example but also from the practise of all reformed churches except in England which the Papists themselues call Puritano-papisticall by retaining this and other Popish corruptions Pro. The swaruing from the example of Christ is no strong and true Argument that wee dishonour God in so doing For if that were true no Curch should bee pure from dishonouring God You cannot name a Church or companie of Christians in the whole world which in the ministring and receiuing the Supper of the Lord varieth not from Christ his example and that manifoldly which yet in their ministrations doe honour God If England herein doe swarue from all reformed Churches will you therefore conclude that the Church of England onely doth dishonour God We condemne not other Churches for their not Kneeling neither doth any Church nor should you Schismatikes condemne ours for our Kneeling And yet false is it that we Christians in England onely when we communicate do Kneele For all the Churches in Basill Saxonie Denmarke and many in Germanie by the orders of their seuerall Churches at the Communion as well as wee in England doe kneele Either therefore those Churches be not in the number of Churches reformed in your iudgement or they dishonour God by their said Kneeling so well as wee the former of which you will not I thinke say and if you should all Gods faithfull seruants thorowout the world will condemne you for your headie and vncharitable iudgement the latter you should not without blushing affirme and wee are so farre from imagining that thereby wee dishonour God as wee are of minde that God is by no externall site or gesture of bodie at the Communion so honoured as by Kneeling What the Papists thinke of and terme the Church of England wee are not ignorant neither doe regard But how Popish they thinke our Kneeling at the holie Communion to bee iudge by their wordes expressing their thoughts of the holy Supper which they terme A peeuish Supper fitter for Pagans than Christians more meete for dogges then men proceeding directly from the Diuell Can any man thinke our kneeling to bee a Popish corruption either hearing these things or reading them either in Popish writings or truly cited out of Popish bookes They abhorre our bread and wine as Schismaticall as hereticall as leading the high way to Gods wrath and indignation to hell damnation It is no Popish corruption which they so abhorre much lesse abhorre they our Kneeling as Popish yea they abhorre it because it is not Popish They are simple and verie strangers from the Papists opinions of our Church and her ceremonies which so thinke and speake Schis Such Kneeling may be an argument especially to a Papist not vnderstanding our tongue that we haue Communion with Antichrist and his Synagogue at least in the Idolatrie of bread-worship which our failng or carelesnesse to auow our Communion with Christ and his Church and not abhorring all Communion with Antichrist and his Synagogue cannot be without grieuous sinne Pro. If what last I said be true as no right Papist whether he vnderstand our tongue or not cannot bee doubtfull of our Kneeling cannot possiblie bee any Argument of Communion with Antichrist and his Synagogue in Idolatrie Besides what Papist is there but knoweth that the bread wine at the Altar once consecrated by their doctrine are transubstantiated forthwith into the verie bodie and blood of Christ and being so transubstantiated by and by as the onely begotten Sonne of God both of Priest and people vnder the paine of the Pope his curse with diuine honour and worship to be adored To haue these thoughts and to exhibit this adoration vnto the elements this is to communicate with Antichrist and his Synagogue but our reuerend and humble Kneeling at the taking and receiuing the bread wine in a thankfull remembrance of the death of Christ and of all the benefits we are partakers of by his passion that without althought or shew of adoring the bread and wine this is no communicating with Antichrist his Synagogue Hauing these cogitations though we Kneele wee haue Communion with Christ and his Church and hauing not these thoughts wee haue no Communion at all with his Church though wee Sit and Kneele not As therefore it is not the Kneeling but the impious conceits wherewith their hearts bee possessed and replenished when they approch to the Sacrament that maketh the Papists to be Idolaters so neither doth our Kneeling exclude vs from all Communion with Christ and his Church nor your Sitting that ioyneth you in fellowship with the same As grosse Idolatrie may you commit in not Kneeling as any persons euer did or as the Papists now doe in Kneeling But we charge not you as you do vs yet very vncharitably whose part were rather to conceiue better of them whose doctrine in the most principal points of Religion about the Sacrament especially is one and the same with yours light being not more contrarie to darknesse nor heauen to hell then what both ye which Sit and wee which Kneele doe hold therein is opposite and contrarie to the doctrine of the Synagogue of Rome Wherefore as we say not that yee differing from vs that Kneele haue no Communion with Christ and his church because ye Sit and doe commit a grieuous sinne did yee not offend against publique order for that with vs yee Kneele not no more should ye haue so much as an imagination that we haue Communion with Antichrist and his Synagogue because wee Kneele and doe commit a grieuous sinne for that with you we Sit not when wee doe receiue especially seeing God doth not forbid and Christian authoritie commandeth vs to Kneele Sittng kneeling are but outward ceremonies nothing to the substance of Religion concerning the true communion with Christ and his Church at all and of themselues indifferent did not the