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A90953 A breife relation, of some of the most remarkable pasages of the Anabaptists in high and low Germany in the year, 1521. &c. Gathered out of the writings of Sleyden, Antonius, Servanus, Lambertus, John Gastio, and others who write of their practises. And Bullinger, Luther, Melancthon, Calvin, Vrsinus, and others who write against their heresies. By George Pressick, of Dublin in Ireland. Pressick, George. 1661 (1661) Wing P3295; Thomason E1047_5; ESTC R208094 24,194 24

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we demand if that body of Jesus Christ which was in the stomacks of the Apostles if it did also sweat drops of bloud and was apprehended and buffeted by the souldiers for if it did sweat drops of bloud and was apprehended under the species in the stomacks of the Apostles it was passable and also the souldiers that must buffet it must be put under the same species but if it did not sweat nor was not apprehended nor buffeted under these kinds then there as wat the same time a lesus Christ suffering and a Jesus Christ not suffering and so by consequence who was not our Saviour Fifthly the body of Jesus Christ celebrating the Sacrament was weak passable and mo●●●…l but the body which the Apostles received of him was impassible and could suffer nothing Let our adversaries prove if any ought to receive their opinion which giveth unto Jesus Christ at the same time two bodies of contrary natures or at least one body contrary to it self Sixthly when Victor the 3 Pope of that name was poysoned in the Challice and Henery the 7. in the Host we demand what that was which was poysoned for to say the body of Jesus Christ was poysoned is to prophane his body what was it then with which they killed a Pope and a good Emporour let them answer c. Seventhly but seeing we and you both agree that Jesus Christ at the institution of this Sacrament he did eat and drink with his disciples We demanded did Jesus Chist eat his own body and what profit that would be either to him or us but if there be a corporall bodily substantiall presence of Christs body and bloud in the Sacrament by a change or conversion of the bread and wine into the same body and bloud after the words of Consecration as you say there is then he must needs eat his own body and drink his own bloud which we put you to prove if you say the outside of the body is within the body it s all one as if you should say the sheath is within the sword c. Eighthly if Christs body be eaten corporally in the Sacrament and that all that eate his flesh and drink his bloud have eternall life as John 6.54 which you apply to the Sacrament then should wicked men as well as the faithfull have eternall life for they eat that which you say is the flesh and bloud of Christ as well as the faithfull if there be a corporal presence in the Sacrament Christ said his body was the bread his bloud it was the wine they eat they drank yet he their shewed their feeding was divine Ninthly we demand how you prove it lawfull to pray in a language not understood of him that prayeth seeing the Apostle in the 1 Cor. 14.19 saith I had rather speak five words with my understanding that by my voyce I might teach others than ten thousand words in an unknown tonge and vers 14.15 If I pray in an unknown tongue my spirit prayeth but my understanding is unfruitfull therefore I will pray with the spirit and will pray with understanding also c. Tenthly we demand how you prove that we ought to adore the Crosse with the same odoration that God is worshipped withall as Thomas and many other Doctors of the Church of Rome teacheth and if when the Preists saith to the Cross All hale triumphal wood that wood understands what the Preist saith seeing he speaks to the wood and where God hath commanded us to honour him thus Eleventhly we demand how you prove it lawfull to have the Image of God or of the Trinity in Churches represented in stone or in pictures seeing God hath forbidden it Deut. 4.15 16. Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horch out of the midst of the fire Lest you corupt your selves and make you a graven image the likenesse or simil●tude of any figure the likenesse of male or female c. Twelfly seeing the Church of Rome holdeth that Infants which dye shortly after Baptisme go straight way into paradise We demand whence it commeth that the Preists takes money to pray and say Masses for them and what profit redoundeth thereof unto their children Thirtenthly where is it that God hath Commanded that we should offer Iesus Christ as a Propitiatory sacrifice for the quick and dead seeing that you say the Priests calling is that they are established to sacrifice Jesus Christ Wee demand where in what Scripture God hath established them sacrificers seeing that Jesus Christ doth not give that quality to his disciples and the new Testament doth not in any place call the pastors of the Church Sacrificers 14ly We demand if in the holy Scriptures there be any command not to eat flesh on Friday c. seeing that Friday was the day in which Jesus Christ did eate the pascall lamb and that the Apostle in the 1 Tim. 4.1 3. sayes they are seducers and calls it the doctrine of the devil to forbid marriages and command Abstinence from meates which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving 15ly When there were many Popes at once and the strongest Pope carryed it how will you prove that the strongest was the lawfull Pope for if you prove not that the succession hath often been interrupted and they that followed are successors of usurping Popes being chosen by Cardinalls created by the preceding Pope who not being the lawfull Pope had no Just authority to create Card●nalls nor those Cardinalls to chose a Pope 16ly How do you prove that the blessed Virgin Mary was rapt up in body into heaven and there crowned Queen of heaven for seeing she is so represented in your Churches and the people taught so we demand how you prove it to be so 17ly We say that the Munks and Friars as they stand at this day are those the Apostle foretold of Col. 2.18 that do in voluntary humility worship angels and pray to them not holding the head which is Christ and therefore not holding the head there is no salvation to be had in any other they also teach the people in some things touch not tast not handle nor which all are to perish though they have a shew in will-worship and humility and neglecting of the body to the satisfying of the flesh By George Pressick
have gone all Ireland over a publique Communion was celebrated of above four thousand men but at that time the King accused a man of treason and cut off his head with his own hand and with that bloudy hand he tooke upon him to administer the Sacrament being assisted by the Queen sometime wife to the lying Prophet John Matthias who then did the office of a minister after supper the King asked them if they were all willingly disposed to do the will of God and to suffer dy for the faith they answered they were all of that minde then Tuscocorer their Prophet read a note the names of those he said God had chosen for that legation of whom himself was cheife they were twenty six seaven were sent to Osneburg six to Cockswold five to Warendorp and eight to Suzat these new Apostles went crying in the streets of these Cities that the people should repent and joyne with them or else they should shortly perish with that noyse they raised tumules and were apprehended and brought before the Magistrates to whom they sayed they were sent of the Father to offer them peace when it was but John of Leyden that sent them which peace they said if they refused Gods wrath would follow for their hardnesse of heart and ungratefullness this was just like our Quakers doctrin now and they affirmed that the time was come fore prophesied of that the whole world should follow righteousness which God would work by their King and then he should deliver up the kingdom to his Father and being questioned before the Magistrates about their faith they said that none in the world had the true doctrine but they which they would seale with their bloud and that since the Apostles time till then the word of God had not been purely preached that there was four great Prophets in the world two good which was David of Delft and John of Leyden and two bad the Pope and Luther Being asked by what Scripture they could justifie their deposing so many good men from their houses and goods and make so bold with their wives they answered that the meek should inherit the earth and that in the same manner God gave the Egyptians goods to the Jsraelites a mongst goods they reckoned wives and that they might lawfully have as many as they pleased so that when one was with child they might take another in her stead and they put away barren women and past childe bearing as useless and that they knew by revelation that their King wuld shortly be King of the whole earth denyed all other Magistrates but their own King for which they were put to death and here was the end of their Apostleship that should have preached a gospell of rebellion and licentiousnesse over all the world this was in December 1534. To draw towards the last Act of that wild King among the Prophets that were taken on Henery Hilversum was saved by the Bishop in sallying out of the Citty who let him go and he returned into Munster 1535. and said God had delivered him out of prison by an Angel and told the King that God had given him three rich Cities that should imbrace his party namely Amsterdam Deventer and Wessel for which newes the King made him one of his Court and dispatched away one James of Kemp to Amsterdam to bring it to his obedience soon after the King hearing that many of his sect were in Holland and Frize in great troops as sheep without a shepherd he sent one John Giles with a great summe of money that he like another Moses should be their leader through the wildernesse to bring them to Canaan that was to Munster but when much time was past and he heard nothing of these Jsraelites nor their Moses he sent the Prophet Hilversum and one John Nortell to Holland and Frize to hasten them or to raise new troops and for that expedition he loaded Hilversum with as much gold as he could well beare It seemes he prophesied for gold and he had now gotten it therefore he went no further than the Bishops camp there stayed writ a letter to the people in Munster that his former prophesies were impostures exhorting them to open their eyes and see how they were deluded by acompany of rascalls and what beastly lives they led and how near they were to destruction John Nortell went as farre as Deventer and soone after returned without effect this letter moved some of the people for their community of goods was violated they had their bread by weight but their King still feasted Which one of his wives disliking said she thought it not pleasing to God in such a publique misery while some pined with hunger others should surfet with plenty the King being told it brought her to the market place with his other wives made her kneel down and cut off her head and made his other wives to sing and give praise to their heavenly Father at the same time two young men were taken running away and brought to the King who killed them both with his owne hands and to appease the people he told them that he would not have thought that they being borne again by a new baptisme would shew themselves so impatient in their suffering for Gods cause whereas they should with Paul suffer hunger cold and nakednesse to attaine salvation But Easter came at which time their King had promised them deliverance but his disciples he had sent to Hollond and Frise not the rabbel route he expected came not which put the Prophet King to a plunge he shut up himself six dayes and fained himself sick and then came forth to the people and said God had in his sicknesse set him upon a blind asse and layed upon him the sinnes of the whole multitude whereby they were freed from their sinne and this was the deliverance God had promised them at Easter this poor Lord of Misrule King John all his hopes being frustrate could no longer pacifie the people for famin was so feirce that horses dogs cats were consumed the grasse and the very root were picked out of the ground in that extremity the King commanded the gates to be set open and that so many as would should go forth so that in one day a thousand of all ages and sexes went out and yielded themselves to the Prince who received them sed them and let them go A few dayes after the King proclaimed that as many as wanted faith in Gods help should avoyd the towne but withall he said those that would forsake the faith should be forsaken of God many were so blindly zealous his speeches stayed them yet many were so fed with starved mice broiled shoes lean prophesies they took the safety prosered them Antomius Corvinus a Lutheran divine writes that he had seen books when the town was taken whose covers were eaten in the famine Children half eaten were found yet the King had six moneths