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A88151 A battell with a vvaspes nest, or, A reply to an angry and railing pamphlet, written by Master Joseph Heming, called Judas excommunicated, or A vindication of the communion of saints &c. wherein his arguments are answered, his abuses whipt and stript, the question whether Judas received the sacrament debated, and the affirmative proved ... Lightfoot, Peter, 17th cent. 1649 (1649) Wing L2073; ESTC R42276 44,133 53

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enough for him to make quidlibet è quolibet as he can doe it most excellently 3. He concludes that Christ washed not his Disciples feet at Bethany but at the supper at Jerusalem the same night he was betrayed Joh. 13. This is written in a Gospel of his own making for it is not written in Joh. 13 so is his next conclusion That the sop was given at an ordinary common Supper which Christ had the same night before he ate the Passeover Let him find fair evidence for either of these in any of the foure Evangelists that we read and I will say I never read them Sure this man would make an excellent new Gospel And now let me use his owne style and conclude too I conclude against all he hath said or can say but beare witnesse I challenge none of his friends 1. That the supper in Joh. 13. at which Judas received the sop was before the Passeover festivall ver 1. 29. 2. That every night for five or six nights together before the Passeover Christ lodged in the mount of Olives and if Mr. Heming can tell where but at Bethany let him shew it Mat. 21.17 Mat. 11.19 and 13.1 2. Luk. 21.37 3. That two nights before the Passeover he supped at Bethany Mat. 26.2 6. 4. That from that supper Iudas began his treason Mat. 26.14 5. That hee began his treason upon Satans entring into him Luk. 22.3 4. 6. That Satan entred into him upon his receiving of the sop Iohn 13.27 Ergo. 7. That Judas received the sop at Bethany two dayes before the Passeover Now because Mr. Heming according to his common charity doth charge me for contra-conscientiously and wickedly wresting the Scripture for the maintaining of this my conclusion I shall desire the Reader equally and impartially to judge between us whether of us wrest these texts that we have had to deal with about he or I. 1. I say the supper Ioh. 13. was before the Passeover day because the text saith It was before the feast of the Passeover ver 1. Hee saith That supper Iohn 13. was on the Passeover night though the text doth say It was before the feast of the Passeover Whether of us doe more wrest this Scripture 2 I say that when some of the Disciples thought that Iesus bade Iudas buy something against the feast the Disciples knew that the feast was coming and it was not yet come Hee saith what the Disciples thought proceeded from their ignorance whether of us do more wrest and wrong this text and the Disciples 3. I say that that supper at Bethany Mat. 26. Mar. 14. was two dayes before the Passeover because the Evangelists doe presently before speak of two dayes before the Passeover He saith that supper at Bethany Mat. 26. Mar. 14. was six dayes before the Passeover though the Evangelists do presently before speak of two dayes before the Passeover Whether of us doe more wrest the Scripture here 4. I say the method and order in that place of Mat. 26. Mar. 14. is direct and I take the stories without misplacing them He saith the method and order there is not direct and hee doth misplace the stories Whether of us do offer the more violence to the Evangelists 5. I say the supper in Ioh. 12. and the supper in Mat. 26. Mar. 14. were two different suppers because one is dated six dayes before the Passeover and the other two the one was in the house of Lazarus the other in the house of Simon the leper at the one Christs head is anointed at the other his feet Hee saith the supper in Iohn 12. and the supper in Mat. 26. Mar. 14. is one and the same supper though one be dated six dayes before the Passeover and the other two though the one were in the house of Lazarus and the other in the house of Simon the Leper and though at the one Christs head were anointed and at the other his feet Let all the world judg whether he or I doe more wrest the Scripture My second Assertion is this That Judas received the Sacrament of the Lords Supper For the proof of which I produce Mat. 26.20 Mar. 14.17 where it is said That Jesus sate down with the twelve and hee taxeth Judas for treason Mar. 14.13 Luk. 22.21 To this Mr. Heming saith but what he had said before 1. 'T is true saith he he sate down at Jerusalem with the twelve of whom Judas was one in the common or ordinary supper 2. 'T is as true that there as Mr. Light-foote doth most righteously affirm for the truth to the deeper wounding of his cause he taxed Judas for treason gave him the sop and discovered him and not at Bethany two dayes before Repl. I thank you that you wil once grant I speak truth but you think it is for your own turne But I pray you how doth that that I affirm wound my cause I say Jesus taxed Iudas of treason at the Passeover supper and I say he taxed him of treason at the supper at Bethany two nights before what wound do I give to my cause by this If you find any advantage by it make use of it Wel He granteth Iudas was at the common supper but how missed he of the Sacrament why Mr. H. will tell you as directly as if he had been there that he was taxed for treason and the sop given him so he discovered and packt away before the Sacrament was in hand And thus he makes a story of his own head of the sop given at the Passeover supper which he will never be able to prove while his name is Mr. H. but the story of the Evangelist that determines the case he slippeth over and speaks not one word to it I cite Luke 22.21 to prove Iudas present at the Sacrament and this M. H. saw was like enough to wound his cause and therefore I shall commend his wit another time he answers it with grave silence not speaking one word to it It is apparent by Luke that Iudas was at Table after the giving of the Sacrament Consider his words Luk. 22. ver 19. And he took bread and gave thanks and brake it and gave unto them saying This is my body c. ver 20. likewise the cup after supper saying This cup is the new Testament in my blood which is shed for you ver 21. But behold the hand of him that betrayeth me is with mee on the table What say you to this Mr. Heming where was Iudas now I pray you when his hand was on the table Give me a direct clear answer to evidence that he was not at table at the delivering of the Sacramentall cup and I shall say you are an oracle indeed But let me have your answer out of the Gospel of Matthew Mark Luk or Iohn not out of a Gospel of your own making Can any thing be plainer for my assertion then this But behold spel me those two words let me see
was Iudas gone about his villany to get together his men to surprise his Master It is apparent in Luk. 22 that Iudas was as Table after the delivering of the cup let Mr. Heming cleare it that he did not receive the bread and the cup and let him shew that Iudas did not stay the singing of the Psalme as nice as he and his precious hearts make it to sing Psalmes in the Congregation because they will not sing with the prophane with all the skill all of them have they will not evade it but that Christ and the Disciples sung the hymne while Iudas was with them I say therefore according to the plaine Text of the Evangelists that Iudas received the sop and Satan with it before the Feast day of the Passeover came that before that day came he had contrived with the chiefe Priests for his Masters betraying that on the Passeover night he was one of the twelve that sate downe to supper that he was there at the common supper as Mr. H. calls it that he was there at the Paschall Lamb eating at the Sacrament delivering at the singing of the hymne and till all the Table rose and went out and then he slipt aside and gathered his cut-throats for the apprehending of his Master If I have not shewed this clearer from the Text and more free with●ut wresting of the Text then Mr. H. shewes the contrary let me in the eyes of all judicious and impartiall men beare the brand of so silly a foole as he would stamp upon me Pag. 1 And whereas he would affright me with Let Mr. Lightfoot take heed how he traduce Christ himselfe by affirming Iudas was one of that All he administred the seale and spake these words to 1. He might have done well to have given the Evangelists this caution for I speake but what they tell me One of them tells me that when Christ gave the cup Iudas was at Table and another tells that he bad them drinke all of it and what can I say lesse then I do If I have forged one tittle of mine owne head let me heare of it And 2. I pray you what injury is it to Christ to say he administred the seale to Judas shew me a reason why the seale might not be administred to him I say it might I say it may to a person that is not a Saint Cry not out here Heare Oh heavens c. but shew me a solid reason why it might not I say again It is no more traducing of Christ to say he administred the seal to Iudas then it is traducing of Christ to say he administred the Word to Iudas And if Mr. Heming can prove the Sacrament to be greater then the Word he may then say something against this my assertion but till he can do that he must give me leave to hold what I doe And here hath Mr. Heming spent all his shot he had to spend about the controversie between us namely concerning the time of Iudas receiving the sop and concerning his receiving of the Sacrament All the rest of his booke he shoots powder and he cares not how one while he talkes of the communion of Saints another while of gathering of Churches then of liberty of conscience c. which as they are besides our question so shal not I trouble my self with them But before we part let me againe thanke him for that favourable and Christian like conclusion that he makes with me as he made it his beginning when he faith thus I should abundantly wrong him if I should not ranke him among the vilest in the Kingdome for with them hee will have communion as a member of the same externall visible body by vertue whereof they are all his brethren and sisters so that he hath his brother drunkard brother theif brother murderer brother liar c. sister whore sister witch c. yea all that have been hanged at Tyburne and all other gallowes in England ever since he was borne and baptized into that fellowship he pleads for have been his brethren and sisters let him or any one else upon good ground deny it if he can Reply Here is excellent language I promise you and full of Christian meeknesse and charity I could not but repeat it againe This Gentleman calls God to record upon his soul that he hath spoken nothing in bitternesse and passion pag. 7. and if this be his calme language what do you thinke he speaks when he speaks in thunder sure his women Saints dictated this language to him for this is plain scolding and not arguing Whatsoever he disclaimeth of bitteresse and passion looke his whole discourse through and see what it breatheth of thorough out He begins it with the Title Precious Hearts A pretious tongue would have done well in the bargaine too But you see how impatient the man is to be crost whosoever cannot hold and speake and practice pointblank according to his humour must be ranked with all the whores theeves witches murderers and Tyburnians in England If you be so free from bitternesse and passion take heed I pray you M. H. of pride blinde-zeale and selfe-prizing You must needs thinke if these blind you not that others have studied the Scriptures as well as your selfe and understand reason and know the concernment of their soules and would gladly be saved as well as you and that hold their Tenents in Religion from a good conscience and would be as loth to deceive themselves in things of such weight as well as your selfe what reason or warrant have you to thinke that no man thinkes right but he that thinkes as you doe and none practiseth right but according as you practise and that none can walke to heaven but just in your steps and when a man from the bottom of his soul thinks that Iudas received the Sacrament and holds that it is better to receive the Sacrament with the Congregation though profane persons be there then either to refraine from the Sacrament or separate from the Congregation what reason or warrant have you in the world thus to vilifie him and to ranke him with so vile persons I cannot hold The communion of Saints to meane in your sense I cannot think the Sacrament was ordained onely for visible and reall Saints I cannot hold that it is to distinguish betwixt Christian and Christian I cannot either relinquish the Sacrament or the Congregation must I therefore be matcht with all the theeves whores witches and villaines of the gallowes If this be meeknesse charity and christianity it is so by some new-found or new-made bible for in that that I have alway studied this is held to be pride rashnesse passion and uncharitablenesse ●●e man hath fancied a communion of Saints and a reservednesse of the Sacrament which he will never be able to prove and because I and others cannot be of the same groundlesse judgment this is the charitable mans doom upon me Doubtlesse he would make a brave