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A51652 Motives and reasons for dissevering from the Church of Rome and her doctrine wherein after the declaration of his conversion, he openeth divers absurdities practised in that Church, being not matters of report, but such things whereof he was an eye and ear witness / by Chr. Musgrave, after he had lived a Carthusian monk for twenty years. Musgrave, Christopher, fl. 1621 1688 (1688) Wing M3143; ESTC R28845 14,573 39

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But they were not accepted by the Visitors and both the Vicar and the other two religious men were censured by the Visitors to be imprisoned for defaming of their Prior and the Vicar and one of the two were both put in Prison but the third was not because a Canon of Gant who was his Kinsman did write a very threatning Letter unto the chief Visitor warning him not to meddle with his Cousin nor to punish him any way because if so be that he should do it he would easily prove that business whereof the Prior was accused to be true both to the Visitors and Priors shame and ignominy of the whole Order Notwithstanding the Prior was borne out by the Visitor and the poor Vicar being innocent was cast into Prison and lost his place and the Visitor whom otherwise I did know to be a very honest man yet at that time and in that business dealing not honestly being demanded by a Friend wherefore he did so much oppress the Vicar his answer was Propter honorem Ordinis to save the Honour and Reputation of their Order Thinking it better to offend God by violently oppressing a poor honest man then that the abuses and absurdities of that Order which indeed is accounted most strict and holy in outward shew howbeit full of secret and hidden sins from the sight of men though not from the Eyes of God should be manifested and made known unto the World. And thus much I can say and justifie upon my Conscience that Father Anthony à Fine who had been twenty years Prior of the Carthusian Monastery of Lyre and died Vicar of the same House did tell me the Womans Name to wit Petronilla which had that Child by the Prior of Martins Busse Again Johannes Briall being instituted Prior of the Carthusians of Liege after a year or two of his Residency gave himself unto all lasciviousness of living and especially to continual Feastings and Banquetings in so much that many complaints were made of him unto the Visitors and also unto the General of the whole Order And I being then at Liege and seeing his bad and irreligious Life was much offended and scandalized and so much the more in respect that the Prior having been professed in great Carthusia which is the chiefest House of the whole Order and where regular Discipline is most strictly observed was expected to be most exemplar and proved most debauch'd and irregular making no more scruple of Drunkenness then as if it had been no sin at all He continuing in this course and presuming altogether upon the favour of the General had danted all the Monks of that House that except one few there were that durst write or complain against him because they had no hope to obtain Justice At length I my self did inform against him unto the General and did urge the business so far that the General sent a Commission unto the Prior of Gant being then newly instituted Visitor of that Province that he should come to examine the business and do Justice But Jacobus Dionysii for that was his Name being a most corrupt man both in Body and Mind and being himself in danger to lose his place because he had been accused by his Vicar for frequenting of Bawdy-houses at Midnight when as he should have been at Mattens with his Monks to get favour at the Generals hands by favouring the Prior of Liege whom he knew very well to be much respected by the General coming to Liege to examine the business would not examin any such as he thought would truly and justly give Testimony against the Prior but by his own Authority would give sentence for the Prior against me howbeit both my self and others had been Eye-witnesses of the Priors often Drunkenness and that great notice was taken in the City of the Priors misbehaviour in that point as a Proctor of Liege Brother-in-Law unto Father Henry Christian a Monk of that Monastery did with great grief of Mind certifie and tell him of Besides the Popes Nuntio having heard of that Priors bad Life was ready by the Popes Authority to have deposed the Prior from his Office notwithstanding the General and the Visitor did so much and so long support him that he became shameless quia peccator cum in profundum venerit contemnit and in fine did fall into such gross and enormous yea indicibilia peccata sins not to be nominated that he was glad to fly and leave both the Monastery of Liege and also his Priorship Howbeit that before not only my self but also Johannes Aucelinus and Peter Latermius both Priests and Monks of that House had been much oppressed and punished for writing and complaining of his wicked and most unchristian Life These are the proceedings of that holy Order wherewithal the Eyes of the whole are blinded the Superiours being for the most part both Licentious and Covetous and the Inferiours Envious and Contentious CHAP. IV. Containing the dislike taken from the point of Transubstantiation FOrasmuch as the things before mentioned spectant mores non fidem are matters of Manners and not of Faith to give and manifest the reasons and motives that moved me to alter my Opinion in matters of Faith I must acknowledge that finding such deformity of Manners and Conversation even in the first-born and fairest Flowers of the Church of Rome I was much afraid and not a little danted fearing that I had built my House upon the Sand and not upon a Rock and that the Tree that bears such rotten fruit must of necessity be rotten at the root I mean that the Doctrine of the Church of Rome could hardly be Authentical seeing that the Conversation of her holiest Children was so Diabolical And upon this fourth Consideration I began to reflect upon those points of Controversie wherein we and the Church of Rome do most differ and dissent And beginning with the point of Transubstantiation howbeit the Papists are not ashamed to affirm that the true Church hath always taught that as soon as the Priest hath pronounced the words of Consecration that the former substance of Bread and Wine is changed into the Body and Blood of Christ so that no other substance remains but only Christs Body and Blood the accidents remaining without a Subject both Scripture it self and also the use of the Primitive Church and Opinion of the most ancient Fathers do contradict this Opinion for in Scriptures we find that even after that blessing which Christ himself gave over the Bread and Wine he termed it the Cup of the New Testament And also it is most different from the Doctrine of antient Fathers for St. Augustine in his Book de Doctrina Christiana Liber tertius cap. 16. saith that these words Except you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood c. are a Figure commanding us to partake of the Passion of Christ and profitably to remember that his flesh was crucified for us