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A97293 A sober reply to a serious enquiry. Or, An answer to a reformed Quaker in vindication of himself, Mr. G. Keith and others, for their conformity to the Church of England, against what I have written on that subject. By Trepidantium Malleus. Trepidantium Malleus. 1700 (1700) Wing Y88; ESTC R230924 4,979 18

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might he into one 1. The Assembly of Divines recommended the use of it and some do it to this day Mr. Shower and others 2. Yet secondly I must confess not only I think there is no command here but that it is not convenient to use it See my Answer to W. C. a Churchman his Trepidantium malleus intrepidanter malleatus in favour of G. Whitehead and the Quakers against me Mr. Keath and Mr. Lesly too And I add That tho our Bible I think is not only well but laudably translated yet on much and long consideration and enquiry I do aver That 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is not truly nor tolerably translated 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is no more daily than weekly or monthly And I boldly assert That Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie is a foul Translation tho used by Papists and Protestants If it be ask'd how must it be read I answer it is no easy Question Superessential supersubstantial Bread are not proper not being understood by the Vulgar tho Mr. Pool mentions them He was a famous Nonconformist by the way of whose Synopsis D. Barlow said Opus esset non unius viri sed totius saeculi si tu non suscepsses I think Tremellius gave the fairest stroak Panen nostrum necessarium da nobis hodie Give us this day our necessary Bread I humbly offer this to the consideration of such Dissenters as use this Form As for the Clergy their Ears are bor'd at the Prelates Doors that they are sworn to serve them for ever They dare not alter it but must keep to their old Mumpsimus notwithstanding my new Sumpsimus for fear of being excommunicated and sent as a Token to the Devil for this offence For my part one reason among others why I use it not is the great Superstition of some men so for this reason I sometimes put on my Hat in hearing and will justify this if occasion be You ask us Sir whether 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 be not a different word from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Yes Sir as Ensiis and Gladius but not a different thing And are indeed Bishops call'd Presbyters because once so Would it be proper to call my Lord Mayor Mr. Alderman because once so or a King Prince of Wales because so before Bishop is a name of Office Presbyter of Duty say you Learnedly distinguish'd say I. The naming of Timothy Bishop of Ephesus and Titus of Crete and Jerom's Authority are all of a piece as I have proved long since Whether K. James or Bp B. said first No Bishop no King is no matter being confuted in Scotland Aeirus his damnable Doctrine against the Trinity c. made him a Heretick not denying Episcopacy else Jerom had been one the Reformed Churches-abroad had been heretical What madness is this The Canons of the Apostles and Ignatius his Epistles are justly questioned whether legitimate or spurious by Protestants of all sorts Yet if Ignatius his Epistles were genuin a Bishop was but a Bishop of one Church one Altar In after Ages the difference was not of Order but of Degree Shew a new Ordination or Consecration Did St James make a Liturgy or Common Prayer-Book or One for him The Lord's Prayer and Creed p. 3. and 4. you prove every word by Scripture at large Do we deny it Was ever such mad work made till now The Query about sudden Death All Women labouring with Child c. is foreign to our business Are you and G. Keith on immediate Inspiration still that you say That the Petition in the Form of Marriage that they might live as Isaac and Rebecca not as Abraham and Sarah for he had a Hagar too not as Jacob and Rachael for he had a Leah too was from Inspiration from the Holy Ghost not human Invention Was Cristmas Man known of old There is Praying by the Spirit as to Gifts as well as Grace You commend him that called the Common Prayer-Book Optimmm Breviarium the worst name I think he could ever give it What is it the best Mass-Book Agreed One being ask'd how they could say of K. C. II. our most Religions King He said It is the most Religious King we have we have not a better So say I it is the best Breviary we have we have not a better The last Propositions in the third and last-part are common to all they can have no place here Now Reader if thou hast read my Snake caught thou canst not think this a Reply I am ready to prove 1. That it is more scandalous for Ministers to read other mens Prayers to God than read other mens Sermons to the People 2. That the Church of the Jews tho laden with Ceremonies every one of Divine Appointment had no Liturgies in this its Infancy and therefore worse is it now 3. That a Diocesan Bishop is not a Creature of God's making and can no more take upon him the sole Power of Ordination than of Baptizing or giving the Lord's Supper To say nothing of their lazy vain Lives 4. That to swear Canonical Obedience to such to read Writs of Excommunication against the best of men for Toys or Trifles or swear Church-wardens if occasion be to Articles none do keep or can keep c. is double-died Iniquity big-bellied Wickedness 5. That for these and other reasons Separation from the Church of England is no Sin but a Duty I wish your Mr. L. and our Mr. A. might meet together or Mr. K. and my self To Mr. KEITH SIR THE Air at Mortlock being good for Distempers in the Head as well as Body and therefore Lodgings are for a time here taken up by many Londoners I offer you the best Room in my House till you are cured Is it fair to imploy or help or countenance such a Bigot of yours as C. I. only that it might be said I was answer'd tho it matters not how You are Sir if ever man was what the Poet says Et tantum constans in levitate sua Ovid. Some of C. I. his Queries are as little to the Controversy as theirs who query of you 1. Whether you did not say You could better bear Death than Poverty and so conformed because your Turners-Hall Hearers and Mathematical Scholars dropt away and you saw you could not be the Head of a new Party 2. Whether before your Ordination you did not discourse according as your Company was about Conformity or Non-comformity Or if I should now ask 3. Whether the Apostles wore a black Gown c. What would you say of any of us at least that we were Impertinents Aut illud quod dicere nolo Juven Be not angry Sir if I tell you to answer such as he is but the work of one Afternoon without any Book by me but the censured Paper Many years have I been from my Study and to be plain in my present Circumstances care for none Farewel Mr. Changeable and yet Mr. Infallible I intend to answer every thing against me but not against other men I have been at great cost and Pains let others be so if occasion be Farewel London Farewel Controversies FINIS