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A94140 To all, paupertatis ergò nè peream famè to some. gratitudinis ergò ne peream infamiâ whether it be better to turn Presbyterian, Romane, or, to continue what I am, catholique in matter of religion? By Thomas Swadlin, D.D. Swadlin, Thomas, 1600-1670. 1658 (1658) Wing S6229; Thomason E935_4; ESTC R207706 7,485 15

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To ALL Paupertatis ergò Nè peream famè To SOME Gratitudinis ergò Ne peream infamiâ WHETHER It be better to turn PRESBYTERIAN ROMANE Or to continue what I am CATHOLIQUE In Matter of RELIGION By Thomas Swadlin D. D. LONDON Printed for the Author and are to be sold by Michael Burges at the little North Doore of St. Pauls Church 1658. I. Whether Presbyterian IT is a Thriving way and I am poor the tentation therefore is strong but better enjoy peace of Conscience than the spoiles of violence I shall yet propose some cases of conscience and upon their true Resolves I shall either shake hands with him or continue what I am 1. Whether I do not believe That Christ taught his Apostles to pray and say Our Father which art in heaven 2. Whether I do not believe That the Apostles did pray and say as Christ taught them Our Father which art in heaven 3. Whether I have done well to expunge and obliterate that Prayer Our Father which art in heaven 4. Whether I do not believe That Christ sent his Apostles as his father sent him Joh. 20.21 5. Whether I do not believe That the Father sent Christ to be the chief Bishop of our Souls 1 Pet. 2.25 6. Whether I do not believe both these missions to be jure Divino 7. Whether I do not therefore believe Episcopacy to be Jure Divino 8. Whether I do not believe 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to be a different word from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 9. Whether I do not believe Bishop to be the name of Office and dignity Presbyter to be a name of order and duty 10. Whether I do not believe Bishops are sometimes called Presbyters because they were Presbyters before they were Bishops 11. Whether I do not believe Presbyters qua Presbyters are never called Bishops 12. Whether I do not believe that St. Paul spake and did divinely when he constituted Timothy Bishop of Ephesus and Titus Bishop of Creete to over see and if need were to rebuke the Presbyters there 13. Whether I do not believe St. Ierome spake piously when he said Nisi exors quaedam ab omnibus eminens potestas Episcopo ducetur tot essent Schismata quot Sacerdotes That unlesse an extraordinary and peerlesse preheminence were given to the Bishop there would be as many Schisms as Priests 14. Whether I do not believe King Iames spake politickly and prudently when he said no Bishop no King 15. Whether I do not believe the Primitive Church and so the Church successively untill of very late years one century and lesse than an half was governed by Episcopacy 16. Whether therefore I do not believe I have done very ill to shoulder out Episcopacy that I might get into his Chair 17. Whether I do not believe That Thebulis and Aerius were therefore called Hereticks because they would have had an ecclesiastical parity Bishop and Presbyter all one 18. Whether I do not believe The Canons of the Apostles distinguished the three degrees of Bishops Presbyters and Deacons and gave the superiority to Bishops Can. 4.6 7. 19. Whether I do not believe Thebulis and Aerius did therefore phansie an ecclesiastical parity because they could not be made Bishops which they earnestly affected Epiphan Haeres 75. 20. Whether I do not believe the Church of Jerusalem was called a Virgin Church and never corrupted untill by Thebulis because he was not made a Bishop Eus l. 4. c. 22. 21. Whether I do not believe Ignatius lived in the Apostles dayes and saw Christ in the flesh and being yet a Presbyter writ to the Antiochians to remember Evodius their Bishop who first from the Apostles received the superiority above the Presbyters and after being Bishop himself and going to suffer under Trajan writ to the Clergy and Presbyters there That they would be diligent in feeding their flock untill God did show unto them Him that should rule over them after his death And in another Epistle ad Sard. thus Presbyters be obedient to your Bishops Deacons be obedient to your Presbyters Laymen be obedient to all And after all concludes thus My soul for theirs that observe this order The Lord be with them 22. Whether I do not believe Aerius was the first that voted down all Fasts Vigilantius the first that voted down all Feasts appointed by the Church both Hereticks and therefore whether I may not fear I am something Heretical in following their steps 23. Whether I do not believe that St. James set out a Lyturgie or book of Common Prayer for the Church in his time St. Basil the like in his time St. Chrysostome the like in his time and so downwards untill Mr. Iohn Calvins time 24. Whether I do not believe that Mr. Iohn Calvin himself thought well of Common Prayers and particularly of our Common Prayer Book when he said Quod ad formam precum Ritum ecelesiae valde probo ut certa illa extet à qua pastoribus in sua functione discedere non licet Concerning a Form of Prayer and Ecclesiastical Rites I very well like that they be a certain and constant one from which the Pastors of the Church may in no wise depart or vary 25. Whether I do not believe That every word in the Common Prayer book is in the Bible either literally or rationally deduced thence v. g. for the Confession Almighty God Gen. 17.1 And most mercifull Father Exod. 34.6 We have erred and strayed from thy ways like lost sheep Psal 119.176 We have followed too much the devises and desires of our own hearts Jer. 18.12 We have offended against thy holy laws Mat. 7.8 We have left undone those things which we ought to have done 1 Sam. 15.24 And we have done those things which we ought not to have done 1 Sam. 24.5 2 Sam. 12.13 And there is no health in us Psal 38.3 But thou O Lord have mercy upon us miserable offenders Luk. 18.13 Spare thou them O God which confesse their faults Prov. 28.13 Restore thou them that be penitent Ezek. 18.31 According to thy promise declared unto mankinde in Christ Iesus our Lord Mat. 11.18 And grant O most mercifull father for his sake Joh. 16.23 That we may hereafter live a godly righteous and sober life Titus 2.12 To the glory of thy holy Name 1 Tim. 6.16 26. Whether I do not believe the Absolution Almighty God the father of our Lord Iesus Christ be grounded upon Joh. 20.23 27. Whether I do not believe the Lords Prayer with the Doxology Thine is the Kingdom Power and Glory is verbatim in Mat. 6. and without that Doxology in Luk. 11. 28. Whether I do not believe those Versicles O God make speed to save us be not in Psal 102.13 Open thou my lips O Lord. And my mouth shall shew forth thy praise Psal 51.15 I might be endless to Answer therefore some of your grand Objections I ask 29. Whether I do not believe Remember not Lord our Offences nor the