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A62861 Anti-pædobaptism, or, The second part of the full review of the dispute concerning infant-baptism in which the invalidity of arguments ... is shewed ... / by John Tombs ... Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1654 (1654) Wing T1799; ESTC R33835 285,363 340

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is false that Christ founded his institution in the Jewish practise of baptizing proselytes and their children If he had done so he would have bid the Apostles baptize Disciples and their children as the Jews did There is not any thing that is brought by the Doctor that proves it yea if it were the minde of Chrst to baptize Disciples and their children as the Jews did Proselytes it would utterly overthrow all use of baptism of water after the first conversion of Progenitors to be Christs Disciples none but they and the children then born should be baptized all Disciples and their infants which descended from the first baptized should not be baptized with water being clean or holy without baptism For they baptized because they were unclean till baptized not because holy before Nor did they baptize any of the posterity of the first baptized though born but a few moneths after their first baptism So that this conceit of the Doctor would help much for the Socinian conceit as if water-baptism belonged onely to the age of the Apostles 2. It is false that there is any evidence in the Apostles words 1 Cor. 7. 14. of such a custom of baptizing Christians and their children as was among the Jews of baptizing the Preselytes and their infant's Nor do I think ever any of the Fathers did interpret the Apostles words as this Doctor doth Tertullians words in his Book de anima cap. 39. are not as the Doctor saith an exact parallel to the Apostles speech 1 Cor. 7 14. as the Doctor renders and interprets it The terms candidati sanctitatis or designati sanctitatis or candidati side● in Hieromes Epist. 153. to Paulinus do note not that they were baptized as the Doctor interprets Holy 1 Cor 7. 14. bu● that they were in expectation as they that were seekers for Offices in Rome while they stood for the Offices were candidati in Wh●e so the infants were as it were in expectation of being believers and baptized Quod veluti ambiunt expectant baptismum as Erasmus in his note on Hierom Ep. 153. to Paulinus or designed that is intended ●o be holy by the parents that is to ●e bred up to profess the Faith and so to be baptized Both which senses do indeed oppose the Doctors assertion and shew that they were not baptized in infancy And for that which the Doctor talks of Tertullian as saying they were holy that is baptized ex s●minis praerogativa from the praerogative of their birth it is a manifest mistake as the very reading the words shew For. 1. The holiness he ascribes to believers children was not onely by praerogative of birth but also ex institutions disciplina by the discipline of their instruction which is afore baptism 2. The praerogative of birth the very words of Tertullian shew to be no more but this that believers children were born without those idolatrous superstitions which were used in the birth of infidels children which he there particularly recites There is no one of the Fathers interprets Paul as the Dr. Ambrose and Hierom interpret the words of legitimation in birth Augustin what way soever he go ●aith expresly the words belong not to baptism 3. I is false that the Jewish practise in baptizing Proselytes and their children layd the foundation of infant-baptism neither the Scripture gives any hint thereof no● any of the Ancient Christian writers no not any of those the Doctor cites ever derives it from the Jewish practise But the speeches of Tertullian de bapt cap. 8. of Gregory Nazianzen Orat. 40. de baptismo disswading from it except in case of necessity by reason of apparent danger of death the very decree of the Council in Cyprians 59. Epistle the speeches of Augustin Hierom against the Pelagians the words of the counterfeit Authors of the Book of Questions and answers to the Orthodox imposed on Justin Martyr qu. 56. The questions ad Antiochum imposed on Athanasius qu 114. the words of the Author of the Ecclesiastick Hierarchy imposed on Dionysius Areopagita the story of the baptism of Gregory Nazianzen the intended baptism of Augustin when in da●ger of death tom 1. confess lib. 1. cap. ●1 and other evidences d● shew that the Fathers took the baptism of infants not to have foundation in the Jews practise but in the conceit they had that baptism did regenerate give grace and save and that it was necessary for them to enter into the Kingdom and that they were in danger of perishing if they were not baptized and therfore they practised baptizing of infants in that ca●e Which thing the Papists avouch at this day and in order thereto womens baptizing The Protestant reformers who composed the Common Prayer Book do appear to have had the like conceit in that in the preface before publique baptism they use the old reason from John 3. 5. Rom. 5. 12. for infant-baptism affirming infants to be regenerate and undoubtedly saved dying baptized allowing Midwives to baptize till the words lawfull Minister were added in the Rubrick after the conference at Hampton Court where had not King James over-ruled them the Bishops had not yelded to that reformation yet still they kept private baptism with that ridiculous use of propounding the questions of repentance and faith to the infant to which the sureties must answer in the childes behalf with profession of the childes desire to be baptized into the faith recited though the childe were then crying when the words were spoken and for the sureties they had no desire to be baptized and the Bishops and Presbyters requiring it would have censured them as Anabaptists had they indeed minded baptism according to Christs minde which thing was a meer mockery as Chamier calls it Yet in the Rubrick it self in the Common prayer Book in the title of Publique baptism it is confessed that the Ancient custom was of baptizing onely at Easter and Whitsuntide baptizing is acknowledged to have been by dipping sprinkling or pouring water on the face I do conjecture by reports and such writings as I have seen was most after the conference at Hampton Court Dr. Hammond himself in his Practic Catech. lib. 1. sect 3. pag. 23. saith All men were instructed anciently in the foundamentals of faith before they were permitted to be baptized And therefore for the present I shall put by the answering of the stale and rotten allegations out of the Fathers for infant-baptism brought by the Doctor because having sayd so much in my Examen part 1. and my Apology sect 16. I presume those that are not willing to be deceived will not be swayed with Dr. Hammonds Mr. Bs. Mr. Ms. friends or any other citations from them some being of meer counterfeit Authors as Justin Martyr Pope Hyginus Dionysius Areopagita Athanasius some suspected as Origens words some misinterpreted as Irenaeus and Tertullian some the very Authors shew that they maintained infant-baptism but in the case of danger of death as Tertullian and Nazianzen