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justice._n by_o this_o the_o 91._o wealth_n and_o honour_n of_o the_o realm_n will_v be_v increase_v and_o contention_n brawl_n and_o unnecessary_a plea_n will_v be_v prevent_v idle_a man_n of_o all_o sort_n may_v be_v set_v in_o order_n and_o the_o poor_a man_n great_o comfort_v the_o nobility_n 91._o and_o commonalty_n may_v have_v their_o right_n man_n will_v 76._o not_o grudge_v at_o trifle_a charge_n for_o war_n soldier_n 77._o will_v be_v make_v obedient_a to_o their_o captain_n patient_a 78._o and_o courageous_a it_o 79._o will_v bring_v strength_n and_o victory_n and_o keep_v 91._o out_o of_o king_n dominion_n ignorant_a wicked_a and_o flatter_a man_n here_o out_o of_o the_o defence_n of_o ecclesiastical_a government_n pag._n 121._o 122._o 123._o 127._o 134._o whereof_o epi._n come_v it_o that_o arrian_n valentinian_o and_o anabaptiste_n with_o other_o detestable_a heretic_n be_v so_o rise_v in_o many_o place_n in_o this_o land_n be_v it_o not_o thereof_o that_o there_o be_v 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