believe all baptiz'd Infants are regenerate But the truth is the inward state of none can be said either a falshood or reality to the Church following the Rule of the Word in dispensing of Ordinances for in the like neither regeneration nor non regeneration can be the object of the Churches discerning Also this is to be observed that Christ hath made the sounder part of the visible Church the Church in the actual exercise of Ordinances For 1. Christ never gave a power to erre or to sin to his Church visible or to any part thereof as Nature gave not a power to the locomotive faculty to halt but to move therefore he cannot have given a power to a Synod as many but as proceeding right and to Members as choosing discerningly not as erroneously 2. Those must be the Church to whom the Promise is made they fulfilling the condition to wit he must promise his presence to those that are convined in his Name But if the larger part be the Church visible because larger and more numerous to whom the Promise is made then when the major part errâ—s and meets not in his Name Christ should be obliged to fulfil the promise to them that fulfil not the condition and ought not to fulfil the promise to those who meet in his Name and fulful the condition of the promise which is abominable for very often the larger part erres and meets not in Christs Name and the lesser part meets in his Name and shall those who fulfil the condition be defrauded of the blessing promised because they are fewer Obj. But so no questions shall be determined in Church meetings for two may say they onely meet in Christs Name Ans. These are but words for if they not onely say so but it be a real truth and if all the rest erre in that act these two are onely the visible Church though men judge them turbulent Schismaticks Hence by the way a word of that necessary and judicious question moved by Calvin Matth. 18. 18. What ye binde on earth c. Since the Church tolerateth many hypocrites and absolveth and looseth many who do but counterfeit and fancy Repentance shall we say that such are loosed and pardoned in heaven Some say by heaven here is meant the visible Church and they distinguish between Sin and Scandal and therefore that by binding and loosing here is meant not forgiveness or justification or absolution from the guilt of sin in heaven or in the Court of God or condemnation for that sin but onely deliverance from scandal and the removing of scandal and admitting of the man into the visible Church as a Member suppose his repentance be but hypocritical yet when the Church proceedeth impartially according to the Rule of Christ the sentence is ratifiâ—d by God and the man is loosed from the scandal though not from the sin the sin is yet bound before God because he hath not really repented otherwise the Church who knows not heart-actings and who really repent who not though proceeding right according to the Rule of Christ should not have the promise of ratifying in heaven what they do on earth fulfilled to them which cannot be said But taking it for a good observation that Calvin hath here that Matth. 16. Christ speaketh of binding and loosing concional by the Word preached but here Matth. 18. he speaketh especially of binding and loosing juridical in the Court of the Church by Excommunication or Absolution from that Sentence In the former consideration the question is easie No Pastor in preaching Gospel-promises or threatnings can binde but conditionally If the party do not believe and repent the mans sin is bound in heaven if he do believe and repent his sin is loosed in heaven As to the other we finde in the Word no such signification of binding and loosing in regard of scandal but they are ever spoken of in regard of sin and the guilt thereof And therefore 1. Calvin saith well That the speech of Christ is directed to no other than to those who duly and sincerely do reconcile themselves with the Church and the Lord being willing to comfort trembling consciences is not setting down a Rule for comfoâ—…g of â—ypocrites But by the contrary because hypocrites Soldly provoke to the Tribunal of God when for gross scandals they are justly cast out our Saviour saith The sentence of Excommunication is ratified in heaven The Scripture-rule is for such as obey and for those who fulfil the condition non de obliquis As to the doubt That the Church often absolves such who really repent not how then can the hypocrite be loosed in heaven when the Lord knows he does but fancy Repentance Ans. Two things hère are to be distinguished 1. The Churches proceeding in the external Court as relating to them if they impartially according to the Rule of Christ proceed and be not sudden in re-admitting but see the incestuous man near swallowed up though one mans measure of visible repentance be not the Rule to all before they confirm their love to him and forgive him 2 Cor. 2. Suppose his repentance be but counterfeit or not saving and real as was that of Ahab yet are they to receive him and admit him to the Ordinances and the Lord ratifies what they do in heaven As 1. The Lord ratifies Philips baptizing of Magus and the Lord approves the Servants inviting to the marriage-supper the man that wanted the wedding-garment for what the Lord commands that he must approve and ratifie in heaven 2. What in charitable judgements is praise-worthy that God also must ratifie in heaven yea it is praise-worthy in the Disciples when they heard Christ say One of you twelve hath a Devil one of you shall betray the Son of Man every one suspected and feared himself none of the eleven suspected Iudas but gave him charity 3. Without this God should not approve the gathering of Churches nor the casting of the draw-net in the Sea nor the sowing of seed upon all sort of grounds the way side the thorny the rocky the good ground that the chosen who are yet in the state of nature may be brought in and effectually called But in receiving in Excommunicates the Church would not be sudden In the ancient Church Sacrificers to Idols were six years before they were received they that defiled themselves with Beasts were debarred from the Sacrament thirty years Adulterers seven women who made away their Births ten years such as uncompelled denied the faith twelve years What other years Burchardus and Gratianus have may be seen Something for edification sure there was here 2. There is another thing here which concerneth the conscience of him who is to be received and when the Church-Court applies the sentence to the conscience for his personal pardon sure whatever satisfaction the people have for removing of the scandal the sentence of Absolution so relating to him is concional not properly juridical
saith he but can there be no allusion to a Iudicature except the one to which allusion is made and that of which the present speech is have the like power Then cannot the Scripture allude to earthly Princes who place their greatest Courtier upon the right hand because earthly Princes have not the like power with the Father of Jesus Christ. This destroys all allusions which abound in the Scripture as Paul Rom. 10. 18. alludes to the Sun Malachi compareth Gospel-worship to the burning of Incense chap. 1. shall it then follow that the one is of the nature of the other That allusions bring little light is said without ground for they being grounded upon Metaphors often which bring light must bring much light 3. That Synagogues had no power to excommunicate seems to bring darkness and not light The contrary is Iob. 9. and 16. Though they abused that Ordinance Mr. H. It s in vain to send the plaintiff to a general Councel he might be dead before he be relieved and the Councel be gathered Ans. We send no man by a loup to a General Councel but the grieved man may appeal to the nearest Judicature and Mr. H. will have him to loup to a General Councel at the first being accused of a scandal which declares that he would elude all the Government of Christ between him and that Judicature 2. We do not maintain any Appeals whatsoever but onely righteous Appeals Illud tantum pâ—ssumus quod jure possumus 3. So may the plaintiff be buried before a Synod by way of consultation may be had the wayes of Discipline aâ— all Christs ordinary wayes in the Gospel may possibly never take effect in those to whom the word is a savour of death unto death but that doth not nullifie an Ordinance of God Mr. H. Our Saviour Mat. 18. points at a standing Tribunal of such a Church as is at hand whereof both parties were members Ans. It s a perverting of the words of Christ Mat. 18. that no man trespassing whom I must endevour to gain can be my brother but he who is a member of the same congregation of which I am a member This is to renounce and quit all brotherly communion with all Churches on earth but onely that single congregation of which I am a member when not one brother but twenty or many Churches of brethren without the congregation as false brethren of Iudea trespass against Antioch by perverse doctrine Act. 15. there is not a Judicature aâ— hand hath Christ provided to tell no Church and left no remedy to remove the greatest of scandals Mr. H. How could a Church in an Island or the first Church at Jerusalem Act. 1. 23. exercise discipline upon an offender upon this ground Ans. Why not since the purpose of Christ is That every Church even the less of one hundred and twenty Acts 1. and the greater of ten thousands Act. 2. 4. 6. should respectively purge themselves and when association of many Churches about shall be they should also purge those without the congregation Scandals fall out where many meetings are and one onely Presbytery over them as Mr. H. granteth to which of the meetings shall the plaintiffs complain The offenders are of divers Meetings or Churches that are not at hand Mr. H. The Sanhedrim is a mixt Iudicature partly of Ecclesiastical partly of Civil Iudges Deut. 17. 12. 2 Chron. 19. Ergo allusion cannot be made thereunto Ans. The Consequence is naught 2. Mr. H. with the Prelates confound the Judicatures but they are clearly distinguished while one is appointed for the matters of the King another for the matters of the Lord 2 Chron. 19. 11. So are they distinguished The Priest or the Judge not the Priest and the Judge Diut 17. 12. Men might sinsully confound them but sin is no institution of the Lord. Mr. H. Arg. 2. The Church of believers is that which meets for prophecying and for praying but this Mat. 18. especially for binding and loosing and censures Mr. H. The Church of believers is assembled mainly for prophecying and praying yet not onely but for censures also the Word being ended Ans. That is indeed in question That men women and children meet ordinarily every Lords-day for to act in all Ordinances and after Sermon to leed witness binde and loose and that under the notion of believers for neither here nor in Scripture is there warrant for this Mr. H. Arg. 3. The Church Mat. 18. is such a superiour and judicial Seat as is to be obeyed in the Lord under the pain of excommunication But a multitude of believers are not such a seat So Mr. R. Mr H. The Major is the question and the Conclusion is to be proved whether a particular congregation be the highest Tribunal or the classical Church and Mr. R. takes one part of the Conclusion to prâ—ve the other If the congregation be not highest then the classical must be The Minor should have been proved not nakedly propounded Ans. I propound a Syllogism and for answer to the minor Mr. H. transforms my Argument which I dreamed not of and sayes I take one part of the conclusion to prove the other If the congregation be not highest then the classis is But Sir that is not one part of the conclusion to prove another but since you bring it it s a lawful Syllogism Either the congregation or the classis is the highest Tribunal But not the congregation Yet this is Mr. H. Arg. not mine The Church Mat. 18. is such a superiour seat as is to be obeyed as being over us in the Lord c. But no Scripture no Divine in the world saith That the multitude of believers I use not there the term Congregational Church at all is such a superiour Seat that is over the Guides and whom the Guides do obey in the Lord or disobey under the pain of Excommunication This minor of mine is not nakedly propounded The Scripture saith the officers are over the multitude of believers in the Lord 1 Thess. 5. 12 14. 1 Tim. 5. 17. Heb. 13. 17. But the contrary is never said they do not awake that say this is to take one part of a conclusion to prove the other for its a conclusion proved by a medium that is no part neither subject nor attribute of the conclusion Mr. H. Arg. 4. of Mr. R. Whatever the Church may excommunicate every member thereof convened with the Church may inflict all inferiour censures But all the members cannot inflict lesser punishment for neither women nor aged children nor the unofficed brethren can rebuks exhort or by the Word openly convince the officers Ans. The consequence is feeble as appears from the nature of delegated power which is committed by Christ to persons capable thereof which women for their sex children for the want of the exercise of understanding cannot do People have power to choose officers therefore women have power to put in
and predestinate to glory which if our brethren say of all the members of all these visible Churches suppose Magus and Iudas had been among them it is easie for any to prove the contrary 2. but if so be that these titles prove they were all internally converted and that our visible Church must be such or else they are falsly constituted then how shall Demas Magus find roome in the visible Church as true members since they were not such if it be said that the argument which proveth that they weremore may well prove the lesse and that they had all the visible Saintship that Magus Iudas had we shall grant that but then you must stand by this argument Such as were the members of the Churches of Corinth Rome Ephesus Thessalonica c. by these places cited by the discipline-book of new England chap. 3. sect 3. pag. 56. 57. 1 Cor. 12. 27. Ephs. 2. 22. 1 Cor. 3. 16 17. 2 Cor. 11. 2. 1 Cor. 1. 2. Galat. 1. 2. Math. 16. 16. to 19. such ought the members of our Church visible to be or then they are constituted of false matter But the members of these Churches by these places were really and internally converted and justified Ergo our Churches visible must also consist of these that are really and internally converted and justified or then they are constituted of false matter but the conclusion is false and absurd for so Christ and the Apostles erred even proceeding in a Church way in admitting Iudas Magus to be members for sure they were not internally and really converted and justified and yet M H. maketh them true members and his visible Saints it was wisdome therefore to M. H. to bury these arguments and to contradict his own book of discipline which page 57 saith that Christ taxeth the pastors by whose connivencei the man wanting the wedling garment came in friend how camest thou hither M. H. saith nay they were not taxed that man conveyed it so cunningly that onely the master of the feast pe â—â—ived it others did not discover it page 29. but all dependeth on the making good the assumption that these places prove that they were inwardly and really converted which I make good by these reasons 1. the Holy Ghost expresly saith they were the habitation of God through the spirit temples of the holy Ghost espoused to Christ as a chast virgin ergo they were really such to say that Paul speaketh according to the judgement of charity only and in a Church way is to beg the question there is not a word of any such judgement of charity in the Scripture and our brethren have no law to adde to the Scripture to help their own cause 2. If you adhere to this argument you must say with M. H. that Christ hoped and was bound to conceive by the fruits of Iudas his life that Iudas was a Saint and might have some seeds of some spirituall work of God in his soul and yet Christ saith have not I chosen you twelve and one of you hath a devill and this he knew from the beginning Iohn 13. 11 18. because Iesus not as God but in a Church-way dealt with Iudas and such I remit it to any man if Christ failed against charity except he believed Iudas to be a convert before he betrayed his hypocrisie what warrant in the Scripture for this 3. What ground that the Apostles in charity believed and said that Demas Magus were converts temples of the holy Ghost chosen to life as the Ephesians 1. 3. and Thessalonians 2 Thâ—s 2. 13. or then they had sinned in admitting them to the visible Church and baptizing them 4. Whereas he sayeth the Church judgeth not of things hid whether the Churches of New England do not judge and heavily censure though they will not give it that name all the baptized in their Church whom they exclude from Church-membership and the Lords supper all their life as if they were Pagans because they have not so much charity as to believe them to be visible converts judge reader But say they this will not prove that they were internally and really converted because Paul saith so of them to which I say then upon the same account must we expone these places Ephes. 2. 4. God rich in mercy hath loved us and when we Paul and converted Jewes and Gentiles were dead in sinnes hath quickened us together in Christ in the judgement of charity and in a Church way onely 6. and hath raised us up together and hath made us fit together in heavenly places in a Church-way verse 10 we are his workmanship created unto good works and we who verse 12. were sometimes without Christ strangers to the Common-wealth of Israel 13. are now made neare in the blood of Christ and verse 18. we who were strangers have accesse by Christ through one spirit unto the Father onely in a Church-way by politick guidance of our head Christ and the like must be said of all the reall internall work of the spirit upon the hearts of all the Saints at Ephesus Colosse Corinth Thessalonica c. so they were by this reason light in the Lord quickened had Christ dwelling in them by faith were sealed translated from death to life c. in a Church way and from none of these places can we conclude that they were really and internally converted for all these places and reall works of grace must agree to Iudas Magus and to all such visible Saints because all Churches visible rightly constitute must be made up by this argument of such visible Saints else they are false in the matter and not according to the pattern of Apostolick Churches 3. The assumption is made out also thus as the Apostle calleth them the body of Christ the habitation of God temples of the holy ghost so also he blesseth God and rendreth thanks to him that had chosen to life the Ephesians blessed them with all spirituall blessings in Christ bestowed on them adoption redemption forgiyenesse of sinnes the inheritance of glory Ephes. 2. 13 4. c. ordained the Thessalonians not to wrath but to obtain salvation by our Lord Iesus Christ 1 Thess. 5. 9. 4. had chosen them to salvation through Sanctification of the spirit and belief of the truth 2 Thess. 2. 13. and upon this buildeth their comfort and faith I Thes. 54. 9 10. 11. so Coloss. 1. 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14. now what joy comfort faith thanksgiving can have place if these places be not understood of such reall internall graces as election conversion c. as Iudas and Magus neither have nor can have otherwayes all the hypocrites as Magus and Iudas have a like lively consolation with all the chosen of God and Paul must blesse God because he had chosen called justified c. such as Magus and Iudas 4. I wonder the way of the Churches should cite 1 Cor. 3. 16. for visible Saintship which dependeth on
26 27. Rom. 10. 9. 2. If this be a Gospel ordinance give us Scripture for it 3. Dissolved members are never loosed from Church-warning comforting rebuking otherwise they were not to gaine their brethren 4. Christ by no hint or shadow layes the duty of gaining a brother upon our membership with single Congregations a thing of order and providential necessity but upon brotherhood Mat. 11. If thy brother trespass against thee c. Now he is as near my brother who is of another Congregation or a dissolved member as he who is my Congregational Brother 5. The inclosed gainable trespassing bretheren within the pinfold of a single Congregation seem to make onely the Congregation the visible Kingdom of Christ the Scripture teaching Nations the Kindreds and Kingdoms of the world to be his Rev 11. 15. Rev. 2. 1 2 3. Ps. 22. 27 28. Ps. 72. 3 4 5 6. Ps. 2 8 9. Isa. 60. 1 2 3 c. It is true Christ exerciseth his Ministerial power as King in Congregations yea and in Synods also saith Mr. Cotton 2. The oneness of his visible body is larger then a Congregation 1 Cor. 10. 17. 1 Cor 12. 12 13 c. Mr. H. That a Minister swear an oath of fidelity saith Mr. R. to the flock a Father a Master to discharge duties to Children and Servants is lawful but to tye the essence of a Minister Father Master to this oath so that he is no Minister before he thus swear is to lay bâ—nds where Christ hath laid none and will-worship Ans. The instance of a Father because it results upon a rule of nature without any free consent required is not to the purpose the other two cuts the throat of Mr. Râ— cause can any charge another to be his servant without mutual engagement that which makes a man a Pastor to this people is the free choice of the people we do not make the swearing to do our duty to be our covenant a witness ties himself by oath to tell the truth in a Court here is no covenant between man and man at all Those are to be distinguished 1. An agreement of persons to combine and associate 2. The doing of these duties 3. The swearing they will do them the first is the form of the Corproation the other two may be done after they be combined Ans. 1. The instance brought by me is as well of a moral father as a natural father and his either agreeing by promise or oath to the people makes him not a Pastor a Pastor to them is another thing nor doth the election of the people make a Pastor the ordination of the Elders by prayer makes him a Pastor Act. 6. 6. 1 Tim. 5. 22. 2 Tim. 2. 2. 2. The being a Pastor to the people doth not make a Pastor for it is but actus secundus the exercise of his calling not the essence of the Minister 3. The man doth tender the Lords Supper which is a specifick and proper act of a Pastor and that warrantably to these who are of another Congregation and never chused him for their Pastor 2. The other two hurt not the truth I desire not to plead mine own cause a man is made a servant to a master by mutual agreement true Ergo a Minister is made an Embassador Pastor and Servant of Christ by the election of the people it follows not for were he a servant in relation to the people onely this were something but the peoples chusing of him hath not any influence at all in the essence of a Pastor 3. My Argument proves that swearing as it includes a free agreement to the duties of a Father Moral or Officer or Master or Pastor doth not make the man a Father a Master a Pastor especially when the man is Father servant of Christ and Pastor habitu and actu primo to all the Churches on earth before he agree to be Father and Pastor to this Congregation as I thus illustrate a free City appoint four men fearing God to be Rulers or Bailiffes to them the City divides it self into four quarters the first quarter agreeth with such a man to rule them The next quarter agreeth with the second to rule and so do the rest Now no man can say this first quarter made the man a Magistrate for the whole City made all the four of private men to be publick Magistrates and quarters by agreement did only appropriate their labours to them So Titio covenants with a Mason with a Gardener to build him a House and plant him a Vineyard yet this agreement makes neither the one a Mason nor the other a Gardener for they were such before nor doth the sick mans chusing of such a Physician to cure him make the man a Physician Any man knows that the people call and chuse Epaphroditus not that they may make him a gracious and an able Minister but because they discerned him to be such therefore they chused him 4. A Witness who swears to tell the truth engageth covenant-wise to tell the truth though the engagement be put upon him by the command of the Judge Mr. H. Neither the incestuous Corinthian 2 Cor. 2. 73 74. saith Mr. R. nor these 3000. Act. 2. nor Samaria nor any planted Churches of Ephesus Acts 19. of Corinth Acts 18. Berea Philippi Thessalonica Rome give any hint of a Church-covenant Ans. The Churches forgiving and confirming of their love to the incestuous Corinthian was a receiving of him of new to covenant had his profession at large made him a member he had been a member whether the Church received him or not or had baptism made him a member that remaining he should have been a member a disfranchised man is so received by Covenant anew to City-priviledges Ans. 1. Nothing is answered to these celebrious Samplar-Churches planted without this new covenant 2. One excommunicate for a particular scandal as the incestuous Corinthian was retaining some profession retaineth some membership and is onely deprived of Church-honour and of some Ordinances 3. But of Baptism before 4. The forgiving of that man may say somewhat to the restoring of him to the priviledges of the Covenant of Grace but nothing of a Church-covenant 5. The civil Corporations way of re-admitting disfranchised members is no binding Rule to the Church of God Mr. H. There is no word of Church-covenant in these places Acts 2. it follows not Ergo it is not in the word Ans. The consequence is not valid from particular Negatives but if there be no Covenant in any place where mention is made of planting of Churches it holds well Heb. 7. 14. Moses who in his writings speaks of all sorts of Priests spake nothing concerning Priesthood in the Tribe of Iudah Ergo there is no Priest of that Tribe And there is no hint in Scripture where the sacrifice of Christ is spoken of that there is any ungodly sacrifice Ergo say our Divines the sacrifice of the Mass
people left to my pastoral care then as a Christian over these of another Province whom I am occasionally only to gain and whose faces I never saw Ans. Mr. H. leaves out the words in point of conscience to answer for them to God Which I have Otherwise in regard of using of more means he is obliged to more constant feeding by word seals dayly watching over the single flock then over all Christians on the other side of the Sea and some thousand miles distant from him But if the foundation of governing classical Churches be the love and union of the members of one body of Christ then there is much care onerousness and labour which is required in brotherly consociation to help as the care onerousness which is required in officership Mr. H. Ans. The proposition hath no truth because I love all consociated in one Synod whom I never saw and with whom I could never meet to do good or receive good But if I should be bound to put forth the like onerous and laborious care for their spiritual good as for these to whom by way of office I am bound in the same Congregation Then officers must either do too little or be bound to do too much Ans. This is neither my Argument nor my words my words are Par. 1 pag. 332. Now if we distinguish ONEROUSNESS CARE and LABOUR by way of jurisdiction the former is as GREAT IN FORO DEI in the Court of conscience as the latter These words are left out by Mr. H. qua fide let the Reader judge for the toil care onerousness and labour in point of conscience in the kind and sphere I urge in both by necessity of a divine command but the like care onerousness and labour in quantity in the use of more means in constant preaching personal comforting to all the Christians on earth as to the single congregation I utterly deny But can Mr. H. deny but the Apostles and Brethren Act. 15. did ow as much care onerousness and labour in a binding conscientious way in laying on synodical burdens which bind not onely saith Mr. Cotton materially for the weight of the matter imposed by divine precept but also formally from the authority of the Synod upon the Churches of Ierusalem Antioch Syria Cilicia as any pastor ows to his single flock and that because these Churches are all one consociated body and yet Elders of the Synod were never to see the faces of all these members of the Churches And I put this quere to the Brethren what warrant of Christ is there that a member of an Independent Church ow Church-care to watch teach admonish rebuke comfort as Col. 3. 16. Heb. 3. 13. 1 Thes. 5 14. to a fellow member of the same congregation only and ow no Church-care to another brother dwelling in the same house with him having with him the same faith the same baptism the same Lord the same covenant of Grace the same Saviour only because he is a member of another Independent Church Mr. H. Arg. 5. If they be Pastors over all the Congregations of the circuit then they were new chosen by the Congregations or not c. Ans. This is a repeated blast of an old horn there is this required that Churches about by their silence approve him as Pastor to one single Congregation but that all Congregations make a special election of him to be their fixed Pastor is no more required then that the Churches of Antioch and Ierusalem chose the Apostles and Elders who yet Act. 15. exercise pastoral and official acts over them by the grant of Mr. Cotton and our Brethren They are Elders of Ephesus i. e. of enery Congregation of the combination as all the Kings if they were met in one royal Court to govern the Nations in things of common concernment to all yet are called the Kings of the Nations These are words saith Mr. H. to darken the Elders met here have a new power distinct from the power over their several Congregations a Commission i. e. a new Creature The Kings if so convened have a joynt power of confederate Princes to act in things of common concernment and if that power were distinct from the particular power that they have over their own territories the comparison were parallel Ans. We may suppose such a convention of Kings the Commissioners or Mâ—ssengers of the Churches have no new office but only are met to determin of such a thing as disturbs the Churches Act. 15 5. they differ as Elders and such Elders sent and nominate by the Church and act as Elders by the same official power common to Elders that are not sent and are called by the Church Apostles and Elders Act. 15. 23. 16. 4. 21. 18 25. then sending and commissionating is a condition of order appointed by the God of order no devise of men and the Churches submit to them as to no new office But 1. as to the messengers of the Church and gracious and sound Elders 2. If they speak according to the Law and the testimony not otherwise and the answer is as much against Act. 15. and against Mr. Cotton and all that are for Synods either juridical or consultative as against Mr. R. for they go to Synods who so go by a new power of order not by a new office Mr. H. This course nullifies the power of Elders and proplâ—â—f a Congregation and their proceeding in a righteous way for the Classis may judge a member to be excommunicated whom the Congregation judgeth and that truely not worthy of that censure here the power of Elders and people which act in a way of Christ is wholly hindered Ans. This weak Argument is fully answered by me before That Government which of its own nature hinders and nullifies the righteous proceeding of the Congregation is not a power from Christ. True but now the assumption is false for the presbyterial power added to the just power of a Congregation does strengthen and not nullifie the power of the Congregation That Government which by accidâ—nt and abuse of their power in over voting two Elders who proceed according to the rule of Christ hinders and nullifies right proceeding in onâ— single act is not from Christ is most false For because an abused power and abused government is not from Christ it follows not that the power and government it self is not from God I added an answer to this in my Book which Mr. H. passeth over in silence Suppose the Congregation and Synod agree in the truth as they do Act. 15. Will you say that Peter Paul and Iames their power is nullified and their three votes are swallowed up in that greater convention because to their power is added in this dogmatical determination the power and voices of the rest of the Apostles and Elders yea and some say of the whole Church Act. 15. 2 6 25. 16. 4. 21. 18 25. So say
to be false with the same Argument Because many better Reasons may haply be given which is bad Logick for other Reasons may be given and Separatists Morellius Anabaptists and Prelatical men have besieged but never taken in this Text but if this be the onely seeming and apparent reason given for popular jurisdiction yea or that can be given the consequence is not proved by Mr. H. his Adverb haply which implies No as well as I. And when Mr. R. saith the Reasons against our sense are Sophisms it s not an answer to say I. but stronger arguments haply may be rendred by others such as never were alledged before What if one should say stronger Reasons and clearer Scriptures yet than ever have been alledged may haply be rendred for unwritten Traditions Image worship Praying to the Dead Papists should be little stronger than they are 2. The Argument is but this If the word Church in all the Scriptures so often mentioned be never taken for the Elders onely it a strong suspicion it is not so taken in this place Matth. 18. But the word Church is such 1. The major is denied All the judiciouâ— Interpreters finde a word onely in this sense in this place and that it cannot bear sense according to the analogie of faith but in this sense onely as scope matter and circumstances of the place inforce and yet the same word must be otherwise taken in many other places And when all is done the conclusion of the apparent reason amounts but to a suspicion and Mr. H. of his own addes the qualification of strong suspicion and Mr. R hath leave upon better grounds to adde that his own suspicion is weak Mr. H. wrongs that eminently learned and godly man Mr. Ball who proves the Elders here must be meant and no other Church and Mr. H. touches not with one finger his reasons 2. I retort the Argument If the word Church of the Redeemed meet to partake of all Ordinances Word Seals Censures c. often mentioned in Scripture be never taken for Brethren onely excluding believing women sons come to age of 15 or 16 years which are the far larger number of the Redeemed confederate visible Church called sanctified as 1 Cor. 1. 1. 2 Cor. 1. 1. Eph. 1. 1. Col. 1. 2. 1 Thess. 1. 1. 2 Thess 1. 1 c. then can it not be so taken Mat. 18. and the Assumption must be as strong That the word Church in this sense is destitute of the least loving look of the allowance of any Text that might be a second in the field as is the Rhetorication in place of Disputation of Mr. H. therefore we desire a parallel place for the acception oâ— the word Church or onely male-Church of Redeemed meeting for all Ordinances Mr. H. answers not when he tells us that Women for their sex and children for want of the exercise of understanding are excluded from governing Ans. That is another question whether they be excluded from governing from this what is the notation of the word Church Mat. 18. and whether women children come to age and servants be not essential parts and the far larger part of the Church of believors fed redeemed of the Church which Chrâ—st hath instituted in the Gospel that is saith the Discipline of N. E. of a combination of faithful godly persons meeting for that end to partake of all the Ordinances of God in one place-built on the Rock Mat. 16. If such a signification of the word Church be not in all the Scripture is not this to have in the bag a stone a stone when we say Tell the Church and if he hear not the Church Mat. 18. is the Church-meeting in one place for hearing the Word receiving the seals professing the faith of Peter built upon the Rock which essentially includes women aged children servants but yet Tell the Church is not Tell the women aged children and servants for they are excluded from governing say they true but they are not excluded from being members of the Church Mat. 18. which in its proper signification as our Brethren say signifieth only this redeemed visible Church built on the rock meeting in one place c. 3. The word Church 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 must in Scripture be restricted to the subject matter and the end wherefore the convention is instituted and seldom is it taken but it excludes some such as Act. 19. it cannot signifie the Church of Christ but a civil tumultuary meeting The town Clerk dismissed the Church 2. Eph. 5. 26. Christ loved his Church and gave himself for her The Church there is such a Catholick body visible or invisible as he shall present without spot or wrinkle and excludeth rotten members professors as Magus who are no more but visible members but includeth all real Saints Men Women Infants Jews Gentiles c. 3. It notes these who convene in the same place to be fed with Word Seals Censures Act. 11. 26. a whole year they assemble with the Church 1 Cor. 14 4. he that prophecieth edifieth the Church It must exclude Infants who though members of the visible Church yet cannot be edified by prophecying but cannot but include Women more aged children and servants and say there were but one place in all the World where the Church came together for the hearing of the Word receiving of the Lords Supper that one place were sufficient to teach what the word Church notes in that place And so here Mat. 18. is the like case 4. Tell the Church must be tell the Church that hath power to bind and loose on earth and which if the offender hear not he must be declared a heathen but this is neither women children nor servants by our Brethren 2. The binding and loosing here is to be expounded of the specifick acts of office never given to any by other Scriptures but only to officers 2 Thes. 5. 12 14. Luke 10. 16. Heb. 13. 17. 1 Tim. 4. 14. 1 Tim. 5. 17 20. Act 20. 28. Rom. 12. 7 8. Mat. 16. 17. 1 Pet. 5. 1 2. Tit. 2. 5. Ioh 21. 15. Ephes. 4. 11 12. Is. 6. 5. Ier. 3. 15. 5. Tell the Church if he hear not the Church shall be by us gladly expounded of both Rulers and Professors in their own kind 1. Let him be to thee as a Heathen that is to the whole Church women and servants by withdrawing from his company Puâ—ge out all ye who have been puffed up and mourned not and such were women and so men also to whom he writeth 1 Cor. 1. 1. And women were a part of the lump in danger to be infected and upon that hazard were not to eat drink with an excommunicated man 1 Cor. 5. 6 12. and were not to be mixed but to eschew scandalous persons 2 This. 3. 14 Rom. 16. 17. nor receive such a man unto their house nor bid him God speed 2 Ioh 10. 11. Tit. 3. 10. which the women were to
may excommunicate all officers and whereas he so much contends for the signification of the word Church Let him answer what is meant there 1 Cor. 11. 16. If any man seem to be contentious we have no such custom neither the Churches of Christ. If the meaning be that the congregations meeting in the same place contend not among themselves what if they so should do who should right them by our Brethrens way and if that be the Church that meets in one place onely when shall the Church Catholick which Christ loved and gave himself for meet not until the day of Judgement and did the Brethren testifie of the charity of Gaius 2 Ioh. 16 before the Church was that in the convened together congregation or was it not before the men of the Church And 1 Cor. 11. When ye 〈◊〉 together to the Church Was not this to the meeting of men and women except women be debarred from the Lords Supper And when Saul made havock of the Church he must persecute only the binding and loosing Church but the Scripture saith he persecuted both men and women Act. 8. 3. 9. 2. Mr. H. Arg 11. The Church which the Plaintiff must tell is to admonish publickly the offender But this is the Church of Elders 1. Thes 5. 12. 13. 1 Tim. 5. 20. Luk. 10. 16. for they onely are to receive publick complaints Tit. 1. 13. 1 Tim. 5. 19. 2 Tim. 4. 2. Ans. Complaints are to be given to the Elders that they may prepare them for the congregation and lend the action Tâ—â—â—efore the incestuous Corinthian 〈◊〉 said to be râ—… of many and so judged of many not by the judgement only of discration for so they might judge these that were without but legally Ans. Mr. H. answers not one word of Scripture for telling the complaints to the Elders Christ saith Tell the Church that is tell all the visible Saints say our Brethren 2. That the incestuous Corinthian was rebuked legally of many that is of the Elders and Brethren or Male-Church only that is said not proved If we speak of judging by the judgement of discretion he was rebuked of Elders Brethren Women aged Children Servants for it concerned them in conscience to have knowledge of it and to yield to withdraw from him and to forgive him upon his repentance to joyn with him else their obedience must be blind 2. The minor is false 1. For though they judge Heathen with the judgement of discretion it follows not that therefore Brethren Women aged Children and Servants should not also judge an excommunicate person by the same judgement 2. The probation is faulty for I appeal to the conscience of our Brethren whether there be not sundry kinds of judgement of discretion and whether Church-members have not one kind of judgement of discretion toward the excommunicate man who is now under a medicinal Church-cure and another judgement of discretion toward them that are without and were never members Mr. H. to Mr. R. his twelfth Argument It hath received an 〈◊〉 out of a mistake because neither women alone nor children will make a Church nor have any publick power put into their hands for that purpose Ans. I never said in any Argument that women and children there alone maâ—e a Church nor spake I of womens ruling there But yet I say women children of years of discretion servaâ—â—s being the Lords freemen and professing the faith Arg. 1. The essential parts and largest part of the Congregationâ—… Church of Believers professing the faith of Peter builded upon the rock Mat. 18. â—â—â—ting every Lords day to partake of all the Ordinances and therefore if the Church Mat. 16. signifie such a Church 〈◊〉 â—hat which you say women and such children and servants must especially be understood as parts thereof under the name of the Church tell the Church and if so the Church to which we complain doth not bind and loose by your own grant 2. What ground is there in the Word that the Brethren alone because men should only be mooned by the name of the instituted Church in the Gospel or the 〈◊〉 Church of Believers partakers of all the ordinances excluding women and such children and servants since there 〈◊〉 neither made nor female bound nor free to be regarded in the condtion of believing visible Saints Gal. 3. 28. 〈◊〉 9. 14. 1 Cor. 7. 21 22. So is not this very like to the respect of persons condemned by the Apostle Iâ—… ch 2 3 4 5. when brethren because of their sex and heads of families must be the only Church of believers built upon the rock the Body of Christ the Kingdom of Christ the Redeemed of God partakers of all the precious ordinances and the only visible Church above all the officers women children servants 3. Nor hath such a Church of only few any such power put in their hand and so to say because it is said Tell the Church except Mr. H. prove them to be the governing Church above the Officers is to beg the question for Mr. Cotton and Mr. Burroughs say without officers the brethren can exercise nâ— jurisdiction no excommunication one of the highest acts of rude in the Church they have nothing without the officers saith Mr. Burroughs but brotherly admonition no jurisdiction And Mr. H. is to give a parallel place in old and new Testament if he hear not the Church id est the male-Church of Brethren let him be cast out Mr. H. Arg. 13. Not only the Church must convene to worship God in Spirit and Truth but that they bind and loose by the Pastoral Spirit of Paul and officers in their convention Ans. The Church met hath power to execute all acts of discipline as well as doctrine 2. The Church of Corinth is blamed because without the knowledge of Paul or his authority as they ought to have done they did not excommunicate the incestuous person only for their encouragement he expresseth his consent and the concurrence of his spirit Ans. That the Church of Believers without the pastoral spirit and authority of Paul or any other officer and excluding the tacit consent of women children of age and believing servants could exercise all acts of Discipline and Doctrine that is of pastoral preaching destroyes Mr. H. his principles for who can preach but sent Pastors Rom. 10. 14. not unofficed brethren And as to the point of Jurisdiction Mr. Cotton and Mr. Burroughs with me deny it and Mr. H. nakedly saith it That the Church of Corinth was rebuked for not excommunicating the man is true But 1. what means he by the Church rebuked 1. All that were rebuked must be the Church can Mr. H. deny but women children of years servants were rebuked as those who were puffed up and mourned not ver 1 2. 2. And as those who were a part and the largest part of the lump that is of the body of the people in danger to be leavened with that
CHAP. IV. Mr. Ruthurfurd's Arguments that prove that the People are not the first subject of the Keyes are vindicated from the unsatisfying Answers of Mr. Hooker MR. H. That is not to be held that is neither in Scripture directly nor by consequence But that belivers lay hands on men for the Ministery or receive witness or have in them any such power of Government is such So Mr. R. c. Ans. The first three Arguments touch not the question for office-power is formally in some select persons who have a Ministerial spirit and gifts Mr. Robinson saith The Government before and under the Law and in the Apostles time and still now is not in the multitude but in some chief men But it follows not because office-power which is a little part of the power of the Keyes is in officers therefore the power of the Keyes is firstly in the officers but firstly in them who gave both the power and the office and therefore had a power before they gave it and therefore can take it away Ans. Mr. H. hath quickly expeded my Arguments with Veni vidi vici It is a scorn to say without all proof that the office-power is a little part of the power of the Keys For the includent by no Logick is a part of the thing included the City is not a part of the House which is a part of the City but the contrary now the office-power in Rulers includes preaching administrating of the seals as Mr. H. grants and also it includes a power of binding and loosing and of ordaining since the holy Ghost gives rules of right ordaining of Elders to Timothy and to Teachers 1 Tim. 3. 1 2 3 10. 1 Tim. 5. 17 18 22. 2 Tim. 2. 2. Tit. 1. 5 6 7 c. as to Pastors not as to Believers and by this to rebuke censure shall be no ruling at all if Mr. H. deny ruling power to agree to Pastors as Pastors or to be a part of office-power because ruling power in officers is common to both officers and brethren 1. He begs what is in question for the brethren are ruled and to obey and not Rulers 2. If it be said ruling power is not office-power it s replied that Mr. H. saith that the Elders are superiour to the Brethren or male-Church in regard of office rule act and exercise Now if ruling be common to both officers and the Brethren or such a male-Church of the redeemed then are not the officers as officers superiour to this Church in rule yea this Church giveth power and taketh away the power of governing by way of censure from the officers and so the brethren in ruling must be above the Officers as for the superiority official in preciding and managing the actual dispensing of censures as Mr. H violently alledges Heb. 13. 17. to this purpose it is a ruling over the ruling of the Brethren the like whereof was never heard the mouth of a Judicature ordereth but judgeth not the ruling and judging of the Judges Again if officers be both officers in teaching administrating the seals watching over the manners of the people and also in dispensing censures with the Elders then must office-power take up and include both official acts and also judicial acts and power in governing Ergo the power of office is not a part of the power of the Keys but the whole power of the Keys 2. It is not to the purpose to say that Government is not in the multitude as in the first subject for then the multitude and Church of Redeemed that meets in the same place for all the ordinances is not the instituted Church to which the offended must complain by Mat. 18. nor is it the first subject of the keys Expound to us then Matth. Tâ—ll the Church i. e. tell some select persons the Church of some males only excluding women aged children servants alas that is not the Church Mat. 18. nor the New England instituted Church which is defined to us in the first words of their Book of Discipline for that is not a Church of selected persons but includes men women servants children of age as I demonstrate from their words 1. The Church which Christ in his Gospel hath instituted to which he hath committed the Keys of his Kingdom the power of binding and loosing the tables and seals of the covenant the officers and censures of his Church the administration of all his publique worship and ordinances Is costus fidelium a company of believers These are their words But I assume some select Brethren only is no Church 1. To whom Word and Sacraments onely are due 2. Such only are not such a Church as the Church of Corinth justified sanctified 3. Such only is not the company that meets in the same place to partake of all ordinances as they teach for women aged children servants were justified sanctified partakers of ordinances as well as select Brethren Ergo the visible Church instituted by Christ is not the first subject of the power of the Keys except you mean the virtual subject then it is not the first formal subject as fire is of heat nor is the complete virtual subject But Mr. H. saith cap. 11. sect 2. page 192. The power of the Keyes is committed to the Church of confederate believers as the first and the proper subject thereof Pro. 1. page 193. That the power of the Keyes is seated in the Church as the proper subject is no novel opinion â—b We will suffer years to speak a little in this place The place of those that Peter sustained in Mat. 16. to them the keys were given But Peter speaks in the name and sustained the place of the Church as the Antients Origen Hillary Augustine frequently troops of our Divines say Ans. I pray our Brethren do the Fathers mean the Church of visible Saints the multitude of Believers or go our Divines in troops along with them in the formal first and proper subject of the Keys as fire is the first formal subject of heat As Mr. H. page 193. Now I judge Mr. H. means his own only instituted visible Church in the new Testament that meets together in one place for the ordinances if I should say the whole element of fire is the first proper and formal subject of heat and yet exclude four quarters or parts of this body as utterly uncapable of heat were I worthy to be called a Philosopher But the same way Mr. H. maketh the Church confessing as Peter Mat. 16. such a formal subject and saith the fourth part of this subject women children of age c. are not capable of the Keys if it be said the organical body is the proper subject of seeing of hearing c. yet neither legs nor hands are capable of either seeing or hearing I answer Then 1. the organical body is not the first and formal subject of seeing but Arms and Legs are capable of touching but women
nor receive witnesses as Paul Titus Timothy then are they not the first subject of the power of the Keys Ans. The consequence is false for ruling Elders cannot so lay on hands nor so receive witnesses as teaching Elders do yet they have the power of the Keys Ans. The Argument is not mine in that place I neither call the organick Church the subject nor the first subject but only say since the world was the people are never Key-bearers nor so called the Presbytery layes on hands 1 Tim. 4. 14. the Apostles Act 6. 6. Timothy a Pastor 1 Tim 5. 22. for to bear the Keys is borrowed from a Steward Oeconomus as all agree both Fathers and latter Divines As to bind and loose is borrowed from such as command Gâ—ols as Pareus observeth Ps. 105. 18 20. 2 Kings 25. 27. Ps 149. 8. Act 12. 6. but no official power nor act of office as of a Steward or Jaylor is given to the people And it is like much Logick I have here met with the ruling Elders cannot so lay on hands and so receive witnesses as the teaching Elders Ergo teaching and ruling Elders for all that may well be the first subject of the Keys my meaning is they lay not on hands so that is by any pastoral teaching power But as for the people they bear not the Keys at all over themselves nor are they in any sort Stewards to feed themselves and therefore they are no more the subject of the Keys then private servants of the house to exercise the Keys authoritatively the Ethiopian is not white at all Ergo he is not so white as a Raven Mr. H. To whomsoever Christ giveth the Keys to them he gives a ministerial spirit by way of special Embassage to remit or retain sin Ans. This is unsound for the Keys are given to ruling Elders who have no such ministerial spirit it is not enough to say that power of preaching is not formally given to ruling Elders yet it is effective given in the fruit to them as Mr. R. saith for they who receive the same commission or equal power of the same commission must receive the power of the keys formally Ans. The Keys in a ministerial way of special Embassage to remit and retain sins are given to teachers by a concional way of remitting and retaining sins and to both teachers and ruling Elders effectually saith Mr. R in the judicial and authoritative application in the external Court of Christs Church but believers as believers and as visible Saints confederate have no such power judiciall formally or effectively Let Mr. H. prove this and it shall be seen there it sticks hic haeret ei aqua nor is it denied but ruling Elders have the same power of the Keys formally as touching the judicial application of the word preached in the external Court For the whole Court Teachers and Elders do formally in a judicial way apply to the conscience of the incestuous Corinthian his sin thus Thou by name hast committed incest we by the formal power and ministerial spirit given to us by Christ deliver thee to Satan c. All have alike formal and effective and so causal influence in this sentence 2. I also thus frame the Argument To whatsoever society Christ hath given the Keys to some of that society he hath given the spirit to remit and to retain sin by way of concional preaching the Gospel Iohn 20. 21 22. Matth. 28. 20. Mark 16. 15 16. for there is a binding and loosing chiefly in the preached Word and to all of them he hath given a formal power of binding and loosing in the Court of Christ conjoyned with the former binding and not to be separated from it Give us in the word Excommunication separated from the preaching of the Word But Christ hath given no power judicial of this kinde to excommunicate all the officers to ordain all the officers to the society of brethren destitute of Pastors And give us leave to keep this ground of vantage we can produce Scripture for this practise that the Elders laid on hands and ordained Elders Act. 6. 6. 1 Tim. 4. 14. 5. 22. 2 Tim. 2. 2. Tit. 1. 5. Let our Brethren shew where the male-Church of onely unofficed brethren did the like and give precept or promise and we are silent We may justly ask By what power unofficed men may make officers there must be an institution for this and its hard to prove positive institutions by far off consequences Mr. H. Ruling Elders do not effectually he should say effectively as I do which is a far other term apply the word in the external Court why because the application of the word thus dispensed implies that it is issued and ended Ans. If the meaning be the Sermon is closed and done and the incestuous man repents not therefore all place for judicial application of the Word to the conscience of the scandalous man in the Court of Discipline is ended How weak and watery is such a consequence except we say that the whole Court of Teachers and Elders do not apply medicinally to the man in the externall Court the Word preached which to say were to destroy all Church-discipline Mr. H. There is a Iudicial power in making application of the word preached by any of the members who have power to admonish judicially Ans. That is to beg the question for none have power to admonish judicially as the Church but the officers and those that are stewards who bear the Keyes otherwise women have power to apply the Word and to rebuke and to exhort 2. This contradicts the former just now spoken The Elders cannot effectively apply in the Court the Word preached why the Word dispensed and preached is ended But here every member may judicially apply out of the Court though the Word dispensed be ended Mr. H. Mr. R. Arg. 4. The government of the Church is complete in officers their number their dispensed censures of binding and loosing without any power of the keyes in the people and therefore it is superfluous yea if the believers have power there alone to excommunicate all the officers as Mr. H. saith the Elders in governing must be as superfluous as the sixth finger in the hand Ans. Though the people have power of judging yet they have not power of office which is necessary Ans. Power of office is necessary to the preaching of the Word and to the administrating of the Seals of which we now speak not I hope Mr. H. questions not the necessity of a standing Ministery to the end but since officers are created and all the officers may be excommunicated by the onely brethren as Mr H. saith contrary to Mr. Cotton and the Word now ordaining of pastors and excommunicating of them are the highest acts of Rule then the Elders are as superfluous as the sixth finger to the hand in the highest point of Ruling and officers must be onely necessary
Pagans O Scriptureless cruelty to make God to break the covenant first the parents continuing in covenant-obedience and suffering for Christ Mr. H. Men of approved piety in covenant with God visibly are to be admitted to the seals saith Mr. R. but saith Mr. H. gracious men be pertinacious Ans. Pertinacy in a scandal marrs approved piety but because they approve not your way are they therefore pertinacious Mr. H. To be a member of the visible Church in general and have no particular existence of membership in any particular congregation is a fansie as to say there is a part of manhood not existing in John Thomas or any Individuals Ans. Mr. H. fansies there is a promise of continuing on the Rock made to the congregation in general and yet this or that congregation falls off the Rock 2. Mr. R. his Church-general is no abstract generick nature but an individual integral Catholick body existing in all the earth and one is baptized a member to all congregations jure and exists and dwells in one only as a man may have right to all City-priviledges and yet may reside and actually enjoy only the City priviledge of London Mr. H. imagines that our Catholick integral Church is genus and the Congregation species and if so the Church of Boston should be the whole integral Catholick Church and the little finger the whole body of Iohn CHAP. IX A new device of Mr. H. his two sentences the official and dogmatical sentence of officers yet not concional nor juridical and another juridical of the male-Church is examined MR. H. It is the office of Rulers dogmatically to discover the mind of God and the mind of Christ in convincing by witnesses the offenders and preparing the cause And the brethren have no more power to oppose the sentence of the Censure thus prepared and propounded by the Elders then they have to oppose their Doctrine for the Elders may preach it as the word of God by vertue of their office Ans. 1. Scripture tells us nothing of two sentences 2. Two Judicatures which lead witnesses 3. Two sorts of binding Judges This then is will-worship 2. No Scripture tells us of leading of witnesses to convince Delinquents concionally by way of preaching Old or New Testament not Mr. H. must here speak Rev. 2. 2 14 20. Acts 15. Matth. 18. 1. 1 Cor. 5 1 2. 1 Tim. 5. 22. and elsewhere we read of but one juridical censure by the whole Court and of one sentence If he hâ—aâ— not the Church c. they are not Apostles but lyers Rev. 2. 2. Iezabel should not be suffered to teach Who can dream that these wâ—… first concluded dogmatically or ought to have been so câ—…ded by the officers in one Court and then were concluded juridically by the male Church 3. These words Tâ—â—l the Church whether must they be then tâ—…ll the Officers that they may dogmatically determine or tell the male-Church that they may juridically determine and yet one of these bear the name of the Church by our Brethrens way Or 3. Tell the Church of Redeemed ones which is their only Church The first is our Church of Rulers which they cannot endure the other two cannot subsist 4. Who gave ruling Elders a joynt power to preach juridical sentences which must binde the unofficed brethren as the preached Word of God for they have no calling to labour in the word and doctrine 1 Tim. 5. 17 and how can they preach except they be sent Rom. 10. 14 15 5. How can rude and unlettered men who labour not in the word and doctrine by vertue of their office dogmatically resolve deep points of Heresie more than unofficed brethren and predetermine their conscience should the ruling Elders lips that way preserve knowledge and should they as the Messengers of the Lord of Hosts with the pastors carry the Word of God so binding others What they do in Synods is a far other thing for there they act juridically rather than dogmatically and joyntly with Pastors and Doctors 6. This sentence must lay bands upon the consciences of the male Church so that there is nothing left to them but to obey and can obeying and submitting to the Word leave any room to judging in an authoritative way sure by this they must either hear and believe after a popular judging or then reject and so must women and children of age and what place then is left to juridical sentencing by the Elders or Brethren yea so the Churches freedom of judging is none at all when the Church may no more oppose that dogmatick sentence than they may oppose the Word of God in the mouth of their officers and what greater power can be given to any then what is given to this Independent Eldership 7. When there is a contradiction between the two sentences which of the Judicatures must be supreme If the dogmatick be supreme they may dogmatickly determine that the fraternity ought to be excommunicated for opposing the Word of God in their sentence and who can excommunicate an Independent Church And again when the Elders themselves turn Wolves who then can give out an official and dogmatick sentence against them that must be wanting and hath not the like of this brought forth among Brownists reciprocal excommunications CHAP. X. Of Synods and their Power MR. H. Synods are necessary for union in the Churches In the multitude of Counsellors there is safety Acts 15. Prov. 16. Ans. Union in truth and peace among Churches say these Churches must make one visible Body then ruptures rentings scandals must say there is in this body visible a necessity of Government and Jurisdiction must be incident to that visible body which they deny for this union must be a professed union to speak and think the same thing Phil. 2 2. c. 4. and this is visible union and so they must meet not in their members that is unpossible and here is a visible Church meeting for Civil it is not debating advising about matters of government of the House of God So strong is truth Mr. H. There are associations of divers sorts Classis Synods Provincial National Oecumenick Ans. 1. A general Councel is before mocked as a nothing and the Brethren bring arguments against the being and nature of Synods Commissioners Representees The contrary is here asserted Mr. H. The acts must t is saith Mr. R. 〈◊〉 Ecclesiastick Decrees Ans. Ambignity darkness to binde as a part of Scripture is 1. That which is contained and clearly deduced from Scripture Or 2. that this act of decreeing issuing from the immediate revelation and assistance of the Spirit maketh that which is decreed to be Scripture in the former sense acts tie as good advice and counsel onely in the latter they tie not as Scripture Ans. No man I do not say its done consultò more darkens I brought three members to clear the matter Mr. H. leaves out the third and darkens all for acts of Synods
all Gospel-vows to be unnecessary and will worship under the New Testament Whereas Papists tell us in the Mass they make a general vow of obedience to God See Durantus and Gab. Biel. Mr. H. For if the Magistrate were bound to follow the judgement of the Churches and Ministry if they should judge a toleration of all Religions lawful or judge the false to be true he then were bound to nurse the false Religion and false Churches Ans. 1. No shadow of consequence is here for neither Magistrate nor people can be bound to follow the judgement of the Churches or Ministry farther then they follow the Rule of the Word they follow their judgement conditionally not absolutely and simply and it is a great calumny of Mr. Burton and our Brethren that we lay bands on the consciences of Prince and people to follow the acts and determinations of the Church be they true or false and that there is no place left to appeal to the next or a better informed Synod and to the consciences of the collective Church of the godly judicious professors and to protest and deny obedience to erring Assemblies If it be said but where is there a Iudge to determine whether this or another well informed Synod or the conscience of the collective body of the godly be right This argument falls with equal weight upon all Judicatures all Judges Parliament Prince and Councellors with him upon all Assemblies for what they determine be it toleration of all blasphemies or a strictest uniformity in Worship and Religion it hath no power to bind the conscientious and moral practices of Prince or people more then to bind their conscience by this for the Fraternity and whole Church is tyed to follow the dogmatick determination of officers in preaching or in sentencing delinquents without gain-saying what the officers decree saith Mr. H. it is to all as the word of God But Mr. H. must answer us Churches and Ministry are bound either absolutely or conditionally to follow the Judgement of the King who judgeth popery is the only true Religion to which he can tender protection If the former what Tyranny are we under who must submit to the Religion of the Prince or be denuded of all protection and exposed to fire and sword If the latter be said to wit that Churches and Ministry are only conditionally to follow the judgment of the King so they find it agreeable to the Word otherwise not then it must be false which Mr. H. said that the Prince is the only supreme Judge of all true and false Religions to say they must either obey or suffer saith that Christ exposed all to Martyrdom Mr. H. If it be in the Magistrates power lawfully to forbid and hinder then it is not in the power of the Churches to do lawfullye for then the same thing should be in the same regard both lawful and unlawfulâ—… and the rules of providence shall be opposite one to another but the supreme Magistrate may hinder any of another Nation to come into his Kingdom or his own subjects to go out otherwise he should want power to oppose them who come to lay waste the State and should not have power to require homage of his own people Ans. 1. The probation of the proposition is most false for the power of the Magistrate is not to forbid or command what he pleaseth but according to the rule of the Word and the Churches power is the same if both the powers be lawful their objects cannot be contradictory for God hath not given to two lawful powers any lawful liberty that the one may command what is lawful and the other what is unlawful for then he should give a power to command unlawful things and the command of a created power should make it lawful which is blasphemous this argument falls with weight upon the Independent way There is a Iezabel in the Independent Church of Thyatira and another Iezabel in the Church of Pergamus each Church say our Brethren hath an immediate Independent Church-power to excommunicate Thyatira useth their power and excommunicates Iezabel which is under them Pergamus absolves and defends their Iezabel Both powers are highest and immediate and countable to no juridical power on earth both are lawful powers Then must it follow if it be in the power of the one Church to wiâ— of Pergamus lawfully to forbid and hinder the excommunication of their equally guilty Iezabel and the câ—…ning of her blasphemous Doctrine for Pergamus absolves their â—…l and commends and defends her Doctrine as soâ—…d and â—…g then it shall not be in the power of Tâ—… lawfully to excommunicate their Iezabel and condemn heâ— plasphemous Doctrine for it shall follow that the same Doctrine must be in the same regard both lawful and sound and edifying saith the lawful power of Pergamus and 〈◊〉 unlawful and unsound and destructive to souls saith the lawful power of Thyatira 2. The probation is feeble and wacery the King hath sufficient power to oppose wasters of his Kingdom and to require homage of his subjects Suppose he have not an unlimited power to forbid these of other Nations and Churches and his own to go to a Synod within or without his Nation for the setling of the Churches in necessary peace and truth if the Churches must seek liberty and counsel for their soules good and edification nor hath he any lawful power from God to hinder his own subjects to send Commissioners to sound and godly Synods for counsel and synodical light more then Ieroboam could lawfully forbid the people to go and worship at Ierusalem upon pretence that they might be perswaded to cleave to Rehoboam their lawful Prince and waste his new Kingdom nor hath the Prince an unlimited and absolute power to exact such absolute homage of his people nor such a power over their moving from place for so the Church Independent of Ierusalem confisting of ten thousand if not more should have no intrinsecal power to meet for the publick worship of God but the Prince must have a lawful power to hinder their meeting or then the Church cannot have a lawful power to meet for the convening of ten thousands if abused is as dangerous for wasting of a Kingdom in its own way as the convening of a national Synod is or may be destructive to peace Mr. H. To appoint such solemn publick Assemblies is an act meerly civil Ergo the Prince may do it A civil act belongs not to an Ecclesiastick power A right opinion rectus de Deo sensus cultus of God and a right worship of God is a meerly civil act Ans. There is nothing here sound but evil and worse Christ â—…h given an Ecclesiastick intrinsecal power to his Church to meet it being a part of his free Kingdom and he himself a free King Suppose the Princes of the earth oppose Ps. 2. 1 2 3 4 5 6. Ps. 110. 1 2 3.
onerousness of answering to God for duties the like conscience the like sincerity the like faith of giving an account to God is required in the one as in the other And he leaves upon this account out the word in way of conscience or in fore Dei and saith my words are imperfect but wherein they are imperfect he sheweth not which maketh his own words imperfect and therefore he turneth my Negative That we are to do no more in governing sister-Churches than in counselling and brotherly advising into an Affirmative never dreamed of by me That brotherly association tieth us to do as much as if we had no further warrant and tâ—… we are to do by his way as much in brotherly duties to all Christians in other Provinces or Nations in France Germany Holland with whom we can by no physical possibility be present and whose faces we never saw as we are to do by fixed office to the single congregations to which we have a providential call by the election and choise of the people for whom we are to search the Scriptures and study pleasant words and for whose souls we are to give an account But 1. It s a fruitless dispute to prove in sundry pages what Mr. R. grants 2. If he proved from my words from his own he may that these are necessary consequences he had done as became a Refuter 3. He cannot from what I say deny but granteth That brotherly consociation tieth teaching Elders to do no more in governing neighbouring Churches than brotherly advising teaching admonishing tieth us unto in point of onerousness and laborious care and so it well follows That there is no more laid upon Presbyterial Elders in governing neighbouring Churches than is laid upon their counselling and brotherly advising Elders in point of daily occurring scandals as is clear in the Rise of Familists Anabaptists Antinomians c. and many scandalous persons arising in sundry Churches lying together 4. The care and onerousness in brotherly watching essentially formally in rendring an account to God as being keepers to our Brethren all the world over with whom we converse in other congregations haply at our door and occasionally is as binding before God as the care of teaching Elders in exercising power of Jurisdiction in Collegio and in things common to divers Churches but it follows not that Christian love tieth me to all the positive means of warning my brother to go to Germany to America to try and admonish all the scandals that are committed there 5. This same Argument is thus retorted upon Mr. H. if the Apostles as Church-members as Believers be obliged all the world over to eat the Lords Supper as Paul did at Troas Acts 20. 11. aâ— Corinth 1 Cor. 10. 17 and in all the Churches on earth to eat and receive the Loâ—… Supper not as an Apostle with an Apostolick but with a faith common to all Christians then must he be obliged as a Christian with the like care and onerousness to leave his calling of an Apostle to go to all places on earth to remember the Lords death and as a Christian to lay down preaching planting of Churches working of miracles and to teach rebuke as a Christian in all places It s not enough to say That the Apostles 1. Were priviledged persons and so might eat the Lords Supper all the world over for they eat not the Lords Supper as Apostles but as believers who were to try and examine themselves and so dâ—â—ncerningly to remember the Lords death until he come again as other believers were 2. Is it enough to say They were occasionally onely to discharge these Christian duties as they should be locally present for so are teaching Elders to perform official duties to these neighbour Churches with whom they occasionally converse in the occasional emergency of scandals and if Pastors were in Africa or America they might without any new ordination or official call preach and govern as Physicians of souls But by Mr. H. his way the Lord in the day of Judgment might say Thou wast a member of that body with which thou hadst a right to â—at the Lords Supper in all Churches on earth therefore I require at thy hand the blood of them that are lost in America because thou watched not over all the Christians on earth which is physically impossible And I require at Paul preaching in the the Wâ—st thâ— blood of such as perished when he was 300 miles absent from them for Paul had an officiall call to all the believers on earth As Mr. H. saith our Presbyterial Elders must give an account for souls that are lost in all the Presbyterial Provincial and National Churches on earth and go all the world over to cure scandals leaving their own calling of Merchandize But by this saith Mr. H pag. 115. a pastoral care is fâ—r more enerous and laborious than Christian and brotherly care in some sense I grant all and there is nothing proved against me who say that this ties teaching Elders to no more in governing Sister Churches in point of binding the conscience to answer for them as far as they have power in matter of common concernment for the wel being of all the near hand associated Churches then brotherly consociation can do And Mr. H. page 112. saith this is true and yet in some sense pastoral care is far more onerous and laborious to wit in using more means in watching fixedly over a Congregation by constant preaching in season and out of season in standying pleasant words administring the Sacraments c. Nor did I ever say any thing to the contrary Mr. H. An eminently gifted man in an Island where no Pastors are is no less saith Mr. R. tyed in conscience in the extraordinary imployment of his calling then if he were formally ordained and chosen their Pastor In some extraordinary cases a gift and Christian love ties even as much to onerousness in using means to save at the office it self See what I add in that place Mr H. saith then this gifted man in an Island in using his generall calling as a Christian destroyes his particular as a Merchant and turn Minister 2. This is to confound the general and particular calling Ans. Not at all for in this case the extraordinary necessity of gaining souls when other Pastors cannot be had and ordination and election by that means are invincibly wanting hic nunc turns his Christian calling in place and room of the particular calling of a Pastor and so Mr. R. said well that in some extraordinary case like this The naked Râ—lation of Iurisdiction addeth nothing to care and onerousness in point of labour by preaching the Gospel Mr. H. If we have a divine command saith Mr. R. to be our brethrens kâ—epers then our Christian watch in that regard requires as much onerousness and care as office watch It follows not saith Mr. H. am I bound by office to watch no more over the