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A04779 The right and iurisdiction of the prelate, and the prince. Or, A treatise of ecclesiasticall, and regall authoritie. Compyled by I.E. student in diuinitie for the ful instruction and appeaceme[n]t of the consciences of English Catholikes, co[n]cerning the late oath of pretended allegeance. Togeather with a cleare & ample declaratio[n], of euery clause thereof, newlie reuewed and augmented by the authoure Kellison, Matthew. 1621 (1621) STC 14911; ESTC S107942 213,012 425

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of their Kinglie Authoritie and if the woolfe come he may not only crie out against him by denouncing Gods law and Iudgements nor only strike him with his spirituall staffe but he may also vse euen the Temporall Club to chase him from the flocke and fould as many worthy Prelates of the Church haue done whose examples we shall anon alleadge And yet this not withstāding there shall still be a difference betwixt the Pope and the Temporall Prince because the Pope is to vse in the first place his spirituall glaiue and not to meddle with Kinges Regalities or temporall armes but onlie when it is necessarie for the good of the Church and when the Spirituall censures will no● suffice the Prince is to vse Temporall armes and not to meddle with the Spirituall at all 9. Mat. 18. The like Argument I deduce out of these wordes of CHRIST Si Ecclesiam non audierit sit tibi tanquam Ethnicus Publicanus If he will not heare the Church Chrysost in hunc locum let him be to thee as an Ethnike and Publican By the Church are vnderstood the Prelates of the Church and especially the Chiefe Prelate the Pope who gouerneth and commandeth in the Church and so this place is like to the former place of Deuteronomie Deut. 17 For as God there sayth that he that will not obey the high Priest shal be sentenced to death so here CHRIST sayth that he who will not obey the Pastours and especiallie the high Pastour shall be holden as an Ethnick and Publican that is by excommunication shal be cast out of all societie of the Church for with the Ethnikes and Publicans the Iewes had no commerce nor communication If then he contemne this censure of the Church the Chiefe Pastour may take his armes from him by which he molesteth her and seing that his Temporall power is that which is his Chiefest weapon the High Pastour may depriue him of it else the high visible Priest of the New law should be inferiour to the High Priest of the oulde law and MOYSES should be preferred before CHRIST and the Synagogue before the Church To make this deduction of more force I obserue that this place conuinceth that the Pastour of the Church may separate a disobedient Christian from the societie of the rest which is a Temporall punishment being a priuation of Temporall conuersation whence it followeth thar if the disobedience and default deserue it he may also depriue a Prince of his Crowne and Temporall Authoritie that being also a Temporall paine Which Argument shall be confirmed more hereafter 10. Many also and not improbablie alleage for proofe of that which hath bene said those words of our Blessed Sauiour to his Apostles Mat. 18. Whatsoeuer you shall binde vpon earth shall be bound also in heauen and what soeuer you shall loose vpon earth shal be loosed also in heauen For although this power of binding and loosing giuen to the Apostles and their Successours especiallie the Chiefe Pastour hath for her ordinarie functions loosing or detaining sinnes excommunicating or absoluing dispensing in vowes and oathes c. yet the wordes being generall VVhat soeuer you shall bind vpon earth it seemeth that they should not so be restrained but that they may be extended to loosing and absoluing euen from Temporall allegeance and obedience to the Prince when obedience to the Prince can not stand with the conseruation of the Churches right or faith for which that power was giuen And if the Pastour may free the subiects in this case from all obligation of obedience or dutie to the Prince he may make them no subiects and consequentlie the Prince no King nor superiour for the Prince and subiects are correlatiues which are of this nature that one cannot be without the other and one destroyed the other is destroyed VVherfore if the Chiefe Pastour of the Church can absolue the subiects from their allegeance be can make them no subiects if he can make them no subiectes he can make the Prince no Superiour and consequentlie depriue him of all Temporall Authoritie by which he is Superiour VVherevpon not only the learned writers of this time Cardinall BELLARMINE SVAREZ SCHVLKENIVS and others but also some of the auncients haue vnderstood this place of loosing in some case euen from Temporall allegeance S. GREGORIE the Seuenth who deposed HENRIE the fourth Emperour of that name in his depositiō which BARONIVS alleageth Baron tom 11. Anno 1080. num 11. calling vpon S. PETER and S. PAVLE sayth thus Agite nunc quaeso Patres Principes sanctissimi vt omnis mundus intelligat cognoscat quia si potestis in Coelo ligare obsoluere potestis in terra Imperia● Regna Principatus Ducatus Marchias Comitatus omnium hominum possessiones pro meritis tollere vnicuique concedere Goe to now I pray you ô most holy Fathers and Princes that all the world may vnderstand and know that if you can bynde and loose in heauen you can in earth take away according to their deserts from euerie one and giue to others Empires Kingdomes Principalities Dukedomes Marquisdomes Counties and all mens possessions So INNOCENT the fourth in the Councell of Lions and in the deposition of FREDERICK the second expoundeth the same and warranteth therby his authority in deposing And thus much concerning proofes of the Popes authority out of scripture for deposing Princes and punishing Hereticks and rebelles to the Church by Temporall chastisements CHAPTER IX By Theologicall arguments grounded in principles of faith and the Nature of the Church as it is an absolute Common wealth the same power of the Supreame Pastour is prooued 1. WHat proofe holie Scripture yeeldeth for this veritie we haue seene in ther former Chapter Now let vs see what proofe reason grounded in faith and the Churches Nature can afforde vs. My first Argument I deduce from the comparison before mentioned betwixt the Spirituall and Temporall power by which I haue made it manifest that the Spirituall power exceedeth the Temporall as in many other things so in inflicting penalties and punishments for the Temporall power can onlie punish the bodie the Spirituall can chastize the soule that power can only decree and indict Temporall penalties and mulcts this can lay spirituall Censures and bonds vpon the soule euen excommunication This power which the Church hath to excommunicate I haue aboue in part prooued out of diuerse places of Scripture which here with some others I shall alleadge againe for my present purpose For to omitt that S. PAVL excommunicated that Incestuous Corinthian 1. Cor. 5. 1. Tim. 1. Tit. 3. 2. Thes 3. 2. Ioan. 1 2. Cor. 10 as also Hyminaeus and Alexander he insinuateth the same power where he commands vs to shunne hereticks and not to say Aue vnto them As also where he sayth Arma militiae nostrae non carnalia sunt sed potentia Deo ad destructionem c. The weapons of our warfare are not
carnall but mightie to God vnto the destruction of Munitions destroying Councels and all loftinesse extolling it self against the knowledg of God and bringing into Captiuitie all vnderstanding vnto the obedience of Christ and hauing in a readinesse to reuenge all disobedience And a little after quam dedit nobis Dominus c. which power our Lord hath giuen vs to edification not to your destruction Vpon which places S. CHRYSOSTOME sayth Chrysost hom 22. in ep ad Cor. Ad hoc potentiam accepimus vt aedificemus Quod si quis obluctetur tum demum altera quoque facultate vtamur eum diruentes ac prosternentes To this end we haue receaued power that we may edifie But if so be any stand out or become obstinate then may we vse another meanes pulling him downe and prostratinge him Which place as some think prooueth that the Chiefe Pastour may inflict Temporall punishment euen on Princes And therfore S. Aug. ep 50. ad Bonifac. Augustine hence prooueth that hereticks may he punished Temporally But at least it prooueth that the Pastours and especially the Chiefe Pastour of the Church haue not onlie Authoritie to preach and minister Sacraments but also to chastise offenders by spirituall Censures which power CALVIN in his Commentaties on this place affirmeth to be grounded on the text of S. MATTHEW before alleaged Mat. 18. VVhatsoeuer you shall binde on earth c. to which purpose he applieth that place of HIEREMIE Hier. 1. Behold I hane appointed thee this day ouer the Gentils and ouer Kingdomes that thou mayst pluck vp and destroy and waste and dissipate and build and plant which wordes insinuate power to dispose euen of Temporall Kingdomes and Authoritie and at least by Caluins Confession signifieth power to excommunicate and to inflict Spirituall paines which excommunication is no lesse paine and punishment then a Spirituall band and chayne wherewith the soule is chayned then a banishment from the Church of God then a deliuerie vp to Satan then a cutting of from all communion with the Church For as they who are obedient Children of the Church are partakers of three communions and communications Aug. li. 1 cont aduers legis proph cap. 17. Aug. ser 68. de verbis Apost habetur c. Omnis Christia nus 11. quast to wit of conuersation one with another of Sactaments and of suffrages prayers satisfactions and merites so he that is excommunicated is depriued of all these three goods Wherefore S. AVGVSTIN sayth that it is grauius malum excommunicarià Sacerdotibus Dei quàm si quis gladio feriretur flammis absorberetur aut ferisobijceretur It is a greater ill to be excommunicated by the Priests of God then if a man were kild by the sword consumed by fire or cast vnto wild beasts to be deuoured And againe Omnis Christianus qui à sacerdotibus excommunicatur Sathanae traditur c. Euery Christian that is excommunicated by the Priests is deliuered vp to Satan How so Because out of the Church is the Diuell as within the Church Christ and so hereby he is as it were deliuered vp to the diuell who is separated from Ecclesiasticall communion and societie Hence I deduce this Argument The Chiefe Pastour of the Church can excommunicate a Rebellious Prince and by excommunicating him depriue him of all the Spirituall Treasures of the Church as Sacraments suffrages merites and satisfactions yea he can cut him cleane from the Church and deliuer him vp to Satan ergo he can when it is necessarie for the good of the Church depriue him of Temporall goods and euen of his Kingdome I prooue the consequence because he that can inflict the greater punishment can inflict the lesser but it is a greater punishment to be cut of from the Church and to be depriued of her spirituall goods and graces then to be depriued of Cities countries and Temporall Kiugdomes ergo the Chiefe Pastour that can cast a Prince out of the Church can cast him out of his Kingdome 2. I know our Aduersaries will deny for all this my consequence as VViddrington doth because not alwayes he that can do more can do lesse but onlie then when the more and the lesse are of the same kinde and nature As for example he that can carrie fiftie pound weight can carrie fiue and twenty pownd weight and yet he that can discourse and reason which is more can not flye which is lesse because reasoning and flying are not of the same kinde and nature But yet for all this my illation and consequence is like to that of the Apostle S. PAVL 1. Cor. 6. which can not be denyed For sayth he If the world shall be iudged by you are you vnworthie to iudge of the least thinges know you not that we shall iudge Angels how much more secular things And the self same Argument vseth GREGORIE the seuenth to prooue that he might depose HENRIE the fourth for in the Instrument of that Emperours deposition speaking to the Apostles S. PETER Vide Baron tom 11. an 1080. n. 11. and S. PAVL he prooueth that they by him and he by authoritie receaued from them may depose the aforesaid Emperour because sayth he you by Popes your successours haue often taken Patriarchships Primacies Archiepiscopall and Episcopall Dignities from the wicked and vnworthy and haue bestowed them on Religious men Si enim spiritualia iudicatis quid de secularibus vos posse credendum est si Angelos dominantes omnibus superbis Principibus iudicabitis quid de illorum seruis facere potestis For if you iudge spirituall things what may we thinke you can do concerninge things that be secular and temporall And if you shall iudge Angels that haue dominion ouer all proud Princes what may you do with those that be their seruants and inferiours Where we see that not onlie GREGORIE the seuenth but also S. PAVL do vse the like Argument to that which I vsed and prooue that they who can iudge of spirituall matters may much more of temporall For although it doth not alwaies follow in good consequence that a man can do the lesser because he can do the greater as besides the alleaged example manie others do conuince for a man can speake which is more and yet he can not barke like a dog which is lesse yet when the things are of the same nature or at least not altogether disparate and independent the Consequence is good VVherfore seing that Temporall things are ordained to a spirituall end if not of their owne nature yet by God his institution who hath ordained vs vnto a supernaturall end as aboue I haue declared and consequentlie are subordinate and as it were meanes to a further end it may be sayd by good consequence as S. PAVL and S. GREGORIE the seuenth say The Chiefe Pastour can iudge and dispose of Spirituall things ergo he can iudge and dispose of Temporall things when they are necessarie to conferue the spirituall and