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A33521 A word to the upright for help and preservation in these erring dayes by errours detected, in a book, called, A testimony for the truth, Christ and his light, by some that go by the name of Quakers, wherein they manifest their foundation for salvation, which they call, the Christ of God / by him who seeks the well-fare of all men, Robert Cobbet. Cobbet, Robert. 1668 (1668) Wing C4775; ESTC R40844 31,405 34

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give salvation but for a director unto him whom God hath sent into the world for salvation who when he was in the world preacht not obedience to the light of conscience but to himself as Saviour from that that he redeemed them that by his own blood and they having their consciences convinc ' that he was the Messiah but wilfully opposed him that was and is the truth who cried O Jerusalem how often would I have gathered thee as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings but thou would'st not therefore thy destruction is of thy self and some of them whose hearts had been touched to confess him to be the Lord and Christ turned away from him by reason of Moses his Law so it is plain that the office of the light in conscience is but as Paul speaks of the Law a School-Master to bring man unto Christ for saith he If the Light in you be darkness how great is that darkness Now if the light in conscience was Christ as you falsly so say then must it follow that the light in man being Christ Christ may be darkness therefore I conclude him to be Christ whom the Apostles saw and bore record unto who saw him ascend up into his Glory into the Majesty at the right hand of God from whence he gives gifts to men as being exalted far above all Heavens and all Principalities that he may fill all things and thence if the Heavens themselves are filled from his fulness that filleth all things your Opinion of the light in conscience being Christ is out of door and for the creture to look into the creture for Christ being risen and ascended far above all Heavens you direct your Disciples wrong in directing to his measure in your hearts but this I say 't is written My Son give me thy heart therefore man is to wait in heart for the fulfilling of the promise that God hath made to man by Covenant in Christ to renew the heart that so in heart he may obey the Doctrine of faith that by it the heart may be fill'd with his spirit which the heart having received inlightens the heart to the believing on him by whom he is sent therefore your directing the mind to the light in conscience which serves but to condemn for unbelief or to justifie the creture in his obedience of the faith misplaceth the mind from the right object and placeth it upon a wrong for Christ being the end of the Law for Righteousness to them that believe to direct unto the Law the light in conscience is to bring the Creture man again into bondage when the Lord of Life hath set them free But my Brethren you are bought with a price not of blood of Bulls and Goats nor Heifers of a year old but by the blood of God for you know that it is written that faith comes by hearing and hearing of the word of God but how saith he shall they hear without a Preacher and how shall they preach without they be sent Now Brethren if the light within you be Christ it is but looking into your hearts turning your eye inwards and you are in your way you need no preacher sent to you for your director to lead you to Christ by faith to wait for the promise the receiving of the spirit but you being ignorant of the new Covenant that saith I will write my Law in your hearts and put my fear into your inward parts and will pour out my spirit upon you who shall be in you that you shall not depart from me the Lord which Covenant of Grace standing not upon works you make void by your centring upon works to the denying the Lord that hath bought you and from the Covenant of works of which in shew you are zealous of though I know you what you are and that in most things to it are contrary yet in opinion being zealous of it set up by opinion your own righteousness by which you fall short of the righteousness of God and do not only fall short of it but also do deny it stumbling at the Covenant of promise and you being become the preachers up of works to the light of nature are become so naturalized to your Opinions that Christ the Authour of Redemption by his blood do not only deny but also reject in down-right terms testifying that by it man is not atoned for with God Now would I know of thee whether the Law given by Moses did determine Israel in it self that by it they might have life or whether it did not direct Israel to Christ to come in flesh verily to Christ who was to come in flesh as Moses their Law-giver hath wrote who said to them The Lord your God shall raise up to you from amongst your Brethren a Prophet-like unto me him shall you hear in all things and that soul that will not hear that Prophet shall be cut off from amongst the people And ye blind guides was not the sacrifices that God appointed to the people to offer up to him types to Christ that offering of acceptable price in that he did the Fathers will which was the redemption of man which the sacrifices that typified unto him could not do for that they were not of force to take away sin wherefore God had no pleasure in them but prepared a body for him by which he would do his will which body was Christ who having done the will of God by the body of his flesh in reconciling us to God by that body of his flesh in that day he offered it up by the Eternal Spirit to the death of the Cross to the pouring out of his soul to death by which blood he sanctified the true things of the Heaven as the blood of the Oblations sanctified the patterns of the true which puts it out of doubt that God gave not the Law to Israel for justification but as the Apostle saith it came in because of transgression that sin might appear more sinful but when the deliverer of Sion came in form and fashion of a man they despised him the Lord of Glory and put him to open shame Crying His blood be upon us and upon our Children which is upon them unto this day and you from your unbelief and impenitensie of your hearts do with the unbelieving Jews put away from you the just one Crucifying the Lord afresh in your spiritual City as you call it which is spiritually Sodom and Aegypt but in that it is certain that that that with God for man made peace was the blood of Christ in which is the Covenant of reconciliation that is the Author of Eternal Salvation unto all them that obey him according to Gods requiring of faith who being that sacrifice that at once for ever offered up himself for the sins of the world needed not daily as the Priests of the Law first for their own sins and then for the people for this he did once when he offered up
be spoken against and is not this Child the Babe born of Mary which saith Luke grew and waxed strong in spirit filled with wisdom and the Grace of God was upon him Blush you Atheistical and notional men that for a covering to your errours for that the Scriptures of truth rebukes you to shame for to hide your selves in your fallaciousness say that Christ was him that was in the person Jesus but at length through the Grace of God for the sake of his Son who is the truth you have unmasked your selves for a gloss tell us Israel drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them which Rock was Christ not distinguishing him as he was the word that made the all things from his capacity as he became flesh for Redemption of all things and thence being deceived deceive but we tell you that the Word who would become man in Christ became the arm and strength to Moses who he chose to be the Angel of his presence that saved them saved them by the hand of Moses from destruction from Pharoah and his Host by which bringing to them deliverance from the waves of the Sea and showing them his power by destroying the Aegyptian force obliged them to the obedience to Moses that God had made the Captain of their Host who being saved by his so wonderful power rejoyced in their salvation and sang the Song of Moses the Angel of Gods presence unto the Glory of God who was their Rock of power in his invisible strength being their salvation they drank of its salvation which obliged them to Moses and this is the meaning of the Apostle in his directing his Discourse to the Church which word of God being become our Redeemer in Christ as he saved Israel by the Angel of his presence from destruction of the waves and Pharoah's wrath to the intent they might possess the Land that he to Abraham had promised who being by what he appeared to Moses without the Creture type to himself what he would be in Christ within the Creture that as he led Israel by the hand of Moses into the Canaan Land to possess the fruits of this life figured to himself what he would bring his children unto by Christ in the City of God which was typ't by Israels Canaan of Rest But what shall be said to the scoffing Saducse more then that the stone that the builders refuse is become the chief corner stone and the head of the building But what makes this for your Opinion that the light in the conscience is Christ the light in their conscience saved them not neither is it said that they drank of the light Christ in conscience but of the rock that followed them which rock was Christ and if that the light in conscience could either have saved them out of the destruction of Pharoah and his Host they needed not the Angel of Gods presence Moses and the rock that followed them for their help likewise if the light in the conscience could have saved the world from sin there had been no need for God to have sent his Son the love of his bosom to dye for the world that they might be saved who being the promised one that God to Adam made when he said The Seed of the Woman shall break the Serpents head Is He the Lord and Saviour and not another but in that I am not ignorant of the strange conceptions that you have of the Seed and as monstrously speak of it am willing to present you with the truth you know that it is written That the Seed of the Woman shall break the Serpents head and the Scriptures declare that that Seed is Christ to whom the Covenant was made by God as written My Covenant shall be unto thee and unto thy Seed and to thy Seeds Seed so long as Sun and Moon shall endure who being the Seed promised it saith That if the Lord had not left us a Seed we had been as Sodom and Gomorrah who being him that was promised to Abraham that should come of his flesh came of his flesh from his Liniage of the Lines of Mary who being that holy thing that was begotten by the Holy Ghost of his Mother Mary for the Saviour saveth man from their sins through his sufferings and death to whom the Law Psalms Prophets and Apostles declares unto as their writings at large doth shew who being him that God promis'd for the Messiah that should save his people Israel from the hands of all their Enemies that they being delivered from fear might serve him all the dayes of their life and Christ being him to whom the promised are made in him they are Yea and Amen and Christ being the Seed God promised to Adam for his Salvation and his Seed the Word incorporates himself with and in that Christ that by that Christ salvation may be brought to light who being his power by which Christ repell'd the tempter with his temptation when tempted by him when led for that end into the wilderness and was his strength to undergo the wrath of God when he drank the Cup of his wrath and sustained him upon the Cross by whom he offered up his body unto death upon the Cross for reconciliation by whom he the word that reconciled the world unto himself by himself as it is written God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself not imputing to them their sins and Christ the Serpent breakers head God makes a promise unto that his children that he should beget by his power unto God should be concerned in the Covenant of life and peace in the Kingdom that he prepared for him who knowing who they were that believed on him prays his Father that he would keep them by his own name saying that while he was with them he had kept them but going to the Father from his children saith Father I pray not for the world but for those that thou hast gave me out of the world for they have loved me and have kept my word and believe that I came down from thee and that thou hast sent me and not for these alone but for those also that shall believe on me through their word which the parable he speaks doth clear for saith he the Seed of the Kingdom sown in the heart is the word and he that sows it is the Son of man and the children begotten by the word are the Seed of the Kingdom canst thou believe that thy eye may be inlightned to see the truth if so it be thy portion thou wilt see I have told thee the truth for it is written Thou art my Son This day have I begotten thee that thou shouldst be the light of the Gentiles and the glory of the people Israel who being begotten by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin his Mother Mary is and was that Seed of the Woman the breaker of the Serpents head So my conclusion is that the Seed Christ that is the Saviour is Christ in
it a wrong done to you when you say that the light in conscience that every man is enlightened with that comes into the world is Saviour Advocate Redeemer Mediator and Christ as your Book wrote to Priests and Professors as you term them to scorn called The Great Mistery of the Great Whore doth frequently declare this being your assertion and that we have no Redemption by what done for man by Christ and that he died not for a Saviour but for an Example by what he did in doing the requirings of the Law that as he did by himself fulfill all righteousness according to the requirings of the Law so was he only our example that if we for our selves fulfil not the law we have no salvation by him by what he hath done suffered these being your principles your own confessions shall be my justifier that I have not wronged you in saying you center in Nature instead of Grace but in that the Covenant of Grace that God hath made for man in Christ which God calls his new Covenant stands upon the blessing of blessedness God not imputing to men their sin being that foundation for salvation to which the will of God is our obedience of faith as said Christ to his Disciples that this is the will of God that you believe on him whom God hath sent the conclusion is that he that believeth shall be saved but he that believeth not is condemned already Now then Christ as he is the word and maker of all things is not the light in conscience but the word that was God and with God without whom nothing was made that was made in him was life and the life was the light of men and he it is that enlightens every man that comes into the world now mark here is the word in whom is the life which life is the light of men and this word is God that enlighteneth every man that comes into the world which word being the womb that the life is in the word is one thing the light another which light of men being but an efflux of the life in the word is not the word nor is it God for that it is but a propertie sent forth from him the word who being goodness it self sends forth his love into the heart to wit his life which shed in the heart is to the heart a light and this he calls his spirit of which he gives his Children to partake at times for relief in their pilgrimage state which light is not Christ though of his Nature no more then the light of the Sun is the Sun it self And if the light in conscience as you say it is be Christ then so many men as are in the world so many Christs For that that is in conscience is circumscribed by conscience and if circumscribed a distinct part from the whole as a tree whose womb is the Earth out of which it comes forth a tree as a tree a distinct particular from the earth in its own particular root from whence it hath its growth so that the light in conscience is not Christ no more then the beam of the Sun that incorporates with the radical moisture of the earth is the Sun but I am not ignorant whereto this opinion tends Now then Christ as he is the word and maker of all things is called God but in that he hath the power to give out of himself life that is in himself promises to give forth out of himself his life which is his spirit to them that do believe on him which life as before told you is the light of men which life when beam'd into mans heart no more abides to the satisfying of the heart then while it is a living motion which when the word with-holds his breathing as to the cretures sense is dead as you have an instance in fire which you see lies in the wood but till the wood be set on fire the fire doth not appear and thence the wood gives no warmth and when the wood is kindled that the fire flames forth you see it doth no longer abide then it hath matter for when the wood is burnt the fire goeth out and who of you that have experience that knoweth not the thing I speak therefore the light in conscience not Christ though a measure of his nature for as the fire lies occult in the wood and is not manifest so is it with the light in conscience which lies in conscience as dead till quickened by Christ from motion by his spirit and hence my conclusion is that the spirit of man being his internal light hath no more power to give salvation to the soul then the soul hath to save it self but in that it being a sparkling glimps in the soul doth convince the soul of what is good and what is done amiss which discerned by the soul serves for a director to the soul to go to Christ where only lies its help which spirit of man saith the Scriptures is the candle of the Lord by which he searcheth the inmost parts of his belly which spirit or light in man coming down with every man from Adam by Generation is the instinct in Nature that doth incline the creture naturally to call on God the instance hereof we have in Babes that when themselves can express in their mouths is found the Name of God which being but the light of nature in that mans spirit is a being from nature and not the light of life that Christ gives to his Saints through their believing on his name and if so it had been that the light in conscience had been Christ that could have saved them and given to them the power to become the Sons of God it had been little to us the promise of God to send his spirit to us for another comforter Be not deceived this light of conscience cannot lead the follower of its dictates farther then unto its own center which is the center of Nature and its power felt but the power of the center of nature and if you was not so highly exalted from your own conceits you might come to a understanding of your spirits and the center of your life being from the property of fire thence t is you cast forth flames from out of your mouths to devour all that doth oppose you in your errours And for your attributing to the light in every mans conscience the power to give wisdom righteousness sanctification redemption let me tell you is a doctrine not what declared by Scriptures nor known by the experimental traveller that waits for the salvation of God and your assertion that by believing in it the power known and the feeling it the witnessing the breaking of the Serpents head is a Doctrine that nulls the purpose of God in sending Christ the womans seed who was the breaker of the Serpents head who had he not broke it when he was in this world in a body of flesh could