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A66526 VindiciƦ vindiciarum, or, A vindication of a late treatise, entituled, Infant-baptism asserted and vindicated by Scripture and antiquity in answer to Mr. Hen. D'Anvers his reply : to which is annexed, the Right Reverend Dr. Barlow (now Bishop-elect of Lincoln) his apologetical-letter : also An appeal to the Baptists (so called) against Mr. Danvers, for his strange forgeries, and misrepresentations of divers councils and authors, both antient and modern / by Obed Wills. Wills, Obed.; Barlow, Thomas, 1607-1691. Appeal to the Baptists against Henry D'Anvers, Esq. 1675 (1675) Wing W2868; ESTC R38662 92,093 163

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infant-baptism_n why_o that_o the_o baptise_a shall_v rehearse_v the_o article_n of_o the_o creed_n 2_o ed._n p._n 59_o but_o do_v they_o say_v that_o none_o must_v be_v baptise_a but_o such_o and_o why_o may_v not_o this_o intend_v only_o the_o adult_n as_o well_o as_o that_o above_o let_v mr._n danvers_n render_v a_o satisfactory_a reason_n against_o it_o if_o he_o can_v synodus_fw-la neocaesariensis_n last_o the_o neocaesarean_a council_n upon_o which_o mr._n danvers_n lay_v so_o much_o stress_n determine_v in_o the_o 6_o canon_n that_o a_o woman_n with_o child_n may_v be_v baptize_v because_o the_o baptism_n reach_v not_o her_o womb_n for_o in_o the_o confession_n make_v in_o baptism_n each_o one_o free_a choice_n be_v show_v hence_o mr._n danvers_n from_o mr._n tomb_n conclude_v against_o infants-baptism_n to_o this_o i_o answer_v in_o my_o infants-baptism_n assert_v etc._n etc._n that_o the_o canon_n respect_v pagan_n as_o mr._n marshal_v note_n from_o balsamon_n the_o glossator_fw-la who_o say_v such_o woman_n as_o go_v with_o child_n and_o come_v from_o the_o infidel_n and_o what_o be_v this_o to_o the_o question_n which_o be_v about_o child_n bear_v in_o the_o church_n of_o believe_v parent_n and_o balsamon_n himself_o upon_o this_o canon_n say_v with_o respect_n to_o these_o they_o may_v be_v say_v to_o answer_v by_o such_o as_o undertake_v for_o they_o but_o mr._n danvers_n out_o of_o self-opinion_n that_o he_o be_v still_o right_a in_o his_o baptismal_a notion_n and_o that_o no_o gloss_n can_v be_v good_a that_o thwart_v with_o he_o reject_v it_o and_o tell_v we_o we_o do_v miss_v the_o case_n but_o what_o think_v he_o of_o dr._n hammon_n he_o may_v be_v think_v to_o hit_v the_o case_n as_o likely_a as_o mr._n danvers_n the_o say_a dr._n speak_v of_o this_o cannon_n bring_v against_o the_o baptise_v the_o child_n of_o christian_n say_v be_v it_o far_o enough_o from_o it_o for_o as_o for_o the_o word_n of_o the_o latter_a part_n of_o the_o canon_n each_o one_o will_n or_o resolution_n which_o be_v profess_v or_o signify_v in_o the_o confession_n or_o profession_n for_o so_o he_o word_v it_o in_o his_o translation_n of_o the_o greek_a it_o import_v no_o more_o than_o that_o the_o confession_n or_o profession_n of_o a_o woman_n that_o be_v with_o child_n be_v baptize_v do_v only_o belong_v to_o herself_o not_o to_o the_o child_n and_o consequent_o that_o her_o baptism_n belong_v only_o to_o herself_o so_o as_o the_o child_n can_v be_v say_v to_o be_v baptize_v because_o the_o parent_n be_v and_o all_o say_v he_o that_o can_v be_v conclude_v from_o hence_o be_v that_o the_o child_n of_o such_o a_o parent_n that_o be_v baptize_v when_o that_o be_v in_o her_o womb_n must_v when_o it_o be_v bear_v have_v a_o baptism_n for_o itself_o and_o the_o baptism_n of_o the_o parent_n not_o be_v think_v to_o belong_v to_o it_o and_o this_o as_o he_o observe_v in_o opposition_n to_o the_o conceit_n of_o the_o jewish_a rabbi_n who_o say_v si_fw-la gravida_fw-la fiat_fw-la proselyta_fw-la adeoque_fw-la lavacro_fw-la suscipiatur_fw-la proli_fw-la ejus_fw-la baptismo_fw-la opus_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la that_o be_v if_o a_o woman_n great_a with_o child_n become_v a_o proselyte_n and_o be_v baptize_v her_o child_n need_v not_o baptism_n but_o if_o this_o will_v not_o satisfy_v mr._n danvers_n i_o must_v tell_v he_o that_o the_o magdiburgs_n do_v question_n if_o i_o understand_v they_o aright_o whether_o that_o council_n ever_o make_v this_o canon_n canon_n concilii_fw-la neocaesariensis_n si_fw-la unquam_fw-la fuit_fw-la permittit_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o certain_o those_o excellent_a historian_n as_o mr._n danvers_n call_v they_o will_v never_o have_v put_v such_o a_o if_o to_o it_o if_o they_o have_v want_v ground_n for_o so_o do_v and_o mr._n d._n can_v be_v ignorant_a how_o usual_a it_o have_v be_v to_o have_v canon_n foist_v in_o by_o other_o that_o be_v never_o think_v one_o by_o the_o council_n themselves_o nay_o i_o think_v i_o have_v more_o reason_n to_o deny_v the_o very_a be_v of_o this_o council_n than_o mr._n danvers_n have_v that_o of_o cyprian_n 66_o bishop_n for_o neither_o eusebius_n nor_o socrates_n nor_o theodoret_n nor_o sozomen_n nor_o evagrius_n those_o ancient_a ecclesiastical_a historian_n make_v any_o mention_n of_o it_o that_o i_o can_v find_v nor_o our_o modern_a collector_n of_o the_o council_n sympson_n but_o however_o suppose_v there_o be_v such_o a_o council_n and_o that_o they_o make_v such_o a_o canon_n just_a as_o mr._n danvers_n word_n it_o there_o be_v nothing_o positive_a against_o infant-baptism_n which_o certain_o there_o will_v have_v be_v have_v their_o judgement_n be_v against_o it_o and_o mr._n danvers_n only_o gather_v it_o by_o consequence_n because_o they_o say_v that_o confession_n and_o free-choice_n be_v necessary_a to_o baptism_n but_o this_o be_v not_o sufficient_a for_o our_o saviour_n tell_v we_o that_o he_o that_o believe_v not_o shall_v be_v damn_v which_o be_v as_o much_o against_o the_o salvation_n of_o infant_n as_o these_o word_n of_o the_o council_n against_o their_o baptism_n and_o yet_o mr._n d._n will_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o some_o infant_n be_v save_v and_o why_o may_v not_o the_o other_o expression_n be_v as_o well_o take_v in_o a_o limit_a sense_n but_o suppose_v not_o mr._n d._n must_v remember_v that_o he_o tell_v we_o in_o his_o second_n ed._n p._n 65_o that_o austin_n say_v that_o none_o without_o due_a examination_n both_o as_o to_o doctrine_n and_o conversation_n aught_o to_o be_v admit_v to_o baptism_n and_o yet_o austin_n be_v for_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n and_o why_o may_v not_o this_o council_n be_v suppose_v to_o be_v as_o inconsiderate_a certain_o they_o be_v corrupt_a eonugh_o in_o mr._n d_n judgement_n to_o take_v up_o such_o a_o antichristian_a error_n as_o he_o be_v please_v to_o call_v it_o for_o the_o one_a canon_n be_v against_o minister_n marriage_n the_o second_o be_v for_o penance_n the_o 3d._n against_o often_o marriage_n and_o penance_n for_o the_o same_o etc._n etc._n thus_o far_o we_o have_v try_v mr._n danvers_n his_o strength_n and_o let_v the_o reader_n judge_n upon_o the_o whole_a whether_o he_o have_v any_o ground_n to_o conclude_v himself_o free_a from_o prevarication_n both_o in_o council_n as_o well_o as_o father_n for_o after_o all_o this_o clutter_n and_o great_a noise_n of_o council_n and_o father_n he_o have_v not_o produce_v so_o much_o as_o one_o man_n that_o deny_v and_o condemn_v the_o practice_n of_o infants-baptism_n nor_o one_o canon_n that_o ever_o be_v discharge_v against_o it_o three_o in_o regard_n i_o except_o only_o against_o four_o of_o those_o eminent_a man_n beforementioned_a as_o not_o baptize_v till_o aged_n though_o bear_v of_o christian_a parent_n as_o mr._n danvers_n will_v have_v it_o and_o they_o be_v constantine_n nazianzen_n chrysostom_n and_o austin_n he_o therefore_o triumph_n and_o say_v he_o have_v six_o 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be_v nevertheless_o origen_n and_o cyprian_n tell_v we_o that_o even_o in_o the_o apostle_n day_n infant_n be_v baptise_a and_o that_o it_o be_v evident_a from_o the_o apostle_n write_n that_o infant_n be_v not_o exclude_v from_o baptism_n which_o word_n be_v conceal_v by_o mr._n danvers_n show_v he_o to_o be_v as_o guilty_a of_o substraction_n in_o this_o latter_a as_o of_o addition_n in_o the_o former_a have_v mr._n d._n say_v they_o only_o find_v they_o baptise_a the_o adult_n i_o shall_v have_v let_v it_o pass_v because_o there_o be_v no_o particular_a example_n thereof_o upon_o record_n but_o there_o be_v a_o vast_a difference_n between_o that_o and_o they_o find_v they_o baptise_a only_a such_o the_o first_o leave_v room_n for_o infants-baptism_n for_o a_o non_fw-la dicto_fw-la ad_fw-la non_fw-la factum_fw-la nonꝰvalet_fw-la consequentia_fw-la but_o the_o latter_a be_v total_o exclusive_a thereof_o can_v mr._n d._n find_v it_o but_o he_o be_v as_o unable_a to_o do_v that_o as_o to_o prove_v the_o magdeburg_n say_v so_o and_o yet_o he_o will_v have_v his_o reader_n believe_v it_o be_v most_o manifest_a that_o i_o be_o a_o injurious_a man_n in_o charge_v this_o falsehood_n of_o my_o own_o make_n upon_o he_o there_o be_v no_o such_o word_n in_o his_o book_n though_o but_o three_o line_n after_o he_o full_o acknowledge_v what_o i_o charge_v he_o withal_o as_o may_v be_v see_v p._n 31_o of_o his_o reply_n where_o he_o say_v my_o word_n be_v express_o thus_o that_o in_o this_o age_n they_o find_v they_o baptise_a only_a the_o adult_n and_o now_o let_v any_o sober_a man_n in_o his_o sense_n to_o use_v mr._n d_n own_o word_n judge_v whether_o indeed_o i_o have_v do_v he_o injury_n in_o charge_v this_o upon_o he_o or_o those_o minister_n he_o inform_v we_o of_o who_o say_v upon_o the_o read_n thereof_o he_o want_v morality_n in_o so_o deal_v with_o author_n a_o second_o falsehood_n for_o which_o i_o censure_v he_o be_v for_o say_v the_o magdeburg_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o custom_n of_o dip_v the_o whole_a body_n in_o water_n be_v change_v into_o sprinkle_v a_o little_a water_n in_o the_o face_n in_o the_o first_o century_n whereas_o they_o say_v no_o such_o thing_n in_o this_o century_n nor_o any_o of_o those_o that_o follow_v so_o that_o i_o charge_v he_o with_o a_o double_a falsehood_n 1._o for_o represent_v they_o as_o if_o they_o assert_v the_o ceremony_n of_o baptism_n be_v only_o by_o dip_v which_o they_o do_v not_o but_o the_o contrary_n 2._o in_o affirm_v that_o the_o rite_n be_v change_v in_o that_o century_n from_o dip_v into_o sprinkle_v let_v we_o now_o observe_v how_o mr._n danvers_n vindicate_v himself_o as_o to_o this_o 1._o he_o say_v the_o magdeburg_n own_o word_n will_v clear_v he_o for_o dip_v and_o refer_v we_o to_o cent._n 1._o c._n 6_o p._n 148._o where_o they_o speak_v nothing_o at_o all_o of_o this_o matter_n indeed_o i_o find_v in_o cent_z 1._o lib._n 2._o c._n 6._o p._n 497._o we_o have_v these_o word_n as_o to_o the_o place_n of_o baptism_n it_o be_v as_o occasion_n be_v offer_v in_o river_n and_o fountain_n and_o the_o manner_n be_v thus_o minstrum_fw-la baptismi_fw-la in_o aquam_fw-la baptizandos_fw-la immersisse_fw-la seu_fw-la lavasse_fw-la in_o nomine_fw-la patris_fw-la etc._n etc._n probat_fw-la verbum_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o mr._n danvers_n thus_o translate_v the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v immersion_n or_o dip_v in_o water_n thus_o far_o he_o be_v right_a prove_v that_o the_o minister_n of_o nonsense_n baptism_n do_v dip_v the_o baptise_a wash_v they_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n which_o be_v a_o very_a corrupt_a translation_n of_o the_o word_n as_o all_o scholar_n know_v for_o it_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v translate_v the_o minister_n of_o baptism_n do_v dip_v or_o wash_v they_o according_a to_o the_o genuine_a signification_n of_o the_o word_n as_o they_o give_v it_o we_o cent._n 1._o lib._n 1._o c._n 4._o p._n 152._o vocabulum_fw-la baptismus_fw-la significat_fw-la tinctionem_fw-la seu_fw-la lavationem_fw-la a_o graeco_fw-la verbo_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o mar._n 7._o 4._o say_v they_o for_o it_o be_v take_v a_o judaica_n l●tione_fw-la the_o jew_n wash_v which_o be_v otherwise_o beside_o dip_v the_o word_n of_o mark_n be_v the_o yeat_a not_o except_o they_o wash_v how_o now_o can_v mr._n danvers_n justify_v himself_o to_o represent_v they_o as_o restrain_v the_o word_n only_o to_o dip_v when_o they_o give_v we_o to_o understand_v it_o signify_v any_o kind_n of_o wash_v rinse_n or_o cleanse_v as_o a_o man_n will_v wash_v his_o hand_n as_o well_o by_o pour_v water_n on_o they_o as_o by_o dip_v 2_o king_n 3._o 11._o here_o be_v elisha_n which_o have_v pour_v water_n on_o the_o hand_n of_o elijah_n be_v his_o servant_n as_o it_o be_v note_v in_o the_o margin_n 1._o the_o other_o falsehood_n be_v for_o say_v that_o the_o magdeburg_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o custom_n of_o dip_v the_o whole_a body_n be_v 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study_v as_o he_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v as_o to_o the_o time_n when_o child_n shall_v be_v baptize_v what_o in_o the_o last_o place_n he_o speak_v of_o hilary_n that_o none_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o western_a church_n but_o the_o adult_n be_v confront_v in_o the_o beginning_n where_o we_o have_v show_v that_o he_o have_v no_o such_o say_n in_o lib._n de_fw-fr trinitate_fw-la the_o book_n refer_v to_o and_o how_o he_o himself_o be_v for_o infants-baptism_n from_o his_o second_o epistle_n to_o austin_n as_o for_o his_o other_o witness_n munzer_n and_o john_n of_o leyden_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o that_o faction_n though_o he_o do_v pertinacious_o persist_v against_o the_o clear_a evidence_n in_o palliate_v or_o rather_o deny_v the_o horrid_a crime_n lay_v to_o their_o charge_n and_o withal_o very_o disingenuous_o reflect_v dishonour_n upon_o those_o of_o the_o reformation_n i_o shall_v not_o be_v at_o so_o much_o expense_n of_o time_n and_o paper_n as_o to_o expose_v his_o gross_a aberration_n herein_o but_o quiet_o permit_v he_o to_o enjoy_v the_o comfort_n and_o honour_n of_o such_o witness_n finis_fw-la preface_n to_o the_o reply_n synodus_fw-la 4tae_fw-la carthaginensis_n cent._n 4._o cap._n 9_o pag._n 873._o laodicens_fw-la concilium_fw-la cent._n 4._o cap._n 9_o p._n 833._o common-prayer_n book_n last_o edit_n dip_v by_o wash_v be_v nonsense_n nonsense_n dr._n richard_n allestree_n the_o worthy_a provost_n of_o eaton-colledg_n eaton-colledg_n in_o his_o book_n entit_fw-fr more_o proof_n of_o infant_n church-membership_a pag._n 343._o 343._o in_o his_o treatise_n of_o baptism_n london_n 1674._o pag._n 65_o 66._o 66._o anno._n 1656._o 1656._o pag._n 343._o of_o his_o book_n before_o cite_v ☞_o ☞_o ☜_o ☜_o