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A12484 Of the author and substance of the protestant church and religion two bookes. Written first in Latin by R.S. Doctour of Diuinity, and now reuiewed by the author, and translated into English by VV. Bas.; De auctore et essentia Protestanticae Ecclesiae et religionis libri duo. English Smith, Richard, 1566-1655.; Bas., W. 1621 (1621) STC 22812; ESTC S117611 239,031 514

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his_o denial_n and_o vorstins_n in_o his_o antibellarm_n pag._n 464_o it_o be_v enough_o for_o the_o denier_n probable_o to_o deny_v wherefore_o in_o these_o kind_n of_o question_n protestant_n ought_v to_o be_v urge_v to_o perform_v their_o part_n that_o be_v to_o prove_v what_o they_o affirm_v to_o wit_n that_o before_o luther_n time_n their_o church_n be_v have_v pastor_n and_o the_o like_a which_o if_o they_o can_v do_v they_o must_v needs_o confess_v that_o in_o this_o debate_n they_o have_v lose_v their_o cause_n and_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o press_v we_o to_o prove_v that_o before_o luther_n their_o church_n be_v not_o have_v not_o pastor_n etc._n etc._n because_o as_o i_o say_v herein_o we_o be_v only_o the_o defender_n and_o denier_n 473._o tom._n 1._o foe_n 389._o 473._o and_o therefore_o it_o suffice_v for_o we_o to_o show_v that_o no_o reason_n which_o the_o protestant_n allege_v convince_v a_o reasonable_a man_n to_o believe_v that_o there_o be_v any_o such_o church_n 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sacramentary_n melancthon_n in_o his_o counsel_n part_v 2._o pag._n 152._o write_v 418._o see_v refut_n orthod_n consensus_fw-la pag._n 418._o i_o rejoice_v that_o you_o agree_v with_o we_o in_o the_o sum_n of_o doctrine_n i_o know_v the_o waldense_n be_v unlike_a and_o in_o carrion_n chronicle_n print_v at_o paris_n 1357._o he_o say_v that_o they_o sow_v error_n deny_v all_o oath_n and_o all_o form_n of_o prayer_n beside_o the_o lord_n prayer_n morgenstern_n in_o his_o forname_v book_n pag._n 79._o give_v this_o verdict_n of_o they_o they_o have_v proud_o neglect_v the_o light_n of_o doctrine_n which_o be_v kindle_v from_o heaven_n in_o this_o age_n &_o have_v with_o tooth_n and_o na●le_n by_o write_v among_o their_o own_o man_n secret_o defend_v those_o most_o gross_a erro_n which_o in_o the_o year_n 1523._o be_v discover_v by_o luther_n beside_o selnecer_n as_o he_o report_v affirm_v that_o they_o have_v gross_a error_n and_o such_o as_o be_v not_o to_o be_v bear_v withal_o 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themselves_o we_o abide_v in_o one_o opinion_n that_o the_o form_n of_o your_o confession_n can_v be_v absolute_o admit_v without_o danger_n and_o m._n jewel_n also_o in_o defence_n of_o the_o apology_n part_n pag._n 48._o say_v plain_o of_o the_o albigense_n they_o be_v none_o of_o we_o d._n humphrey_n to_o the_o three_o reason_n of_o f._n campian_n pag._n 371_o they_o be_v not_o whole_o we_o and_o osiander_n in_o his_o 13._o century_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 4._o pantaleon_n in_o his_o chronicle_n pag._n 98._o &_o melancthon_n in_o the_o foresay_a chronicle_n of_o carrion_n reckon_v they_o among_o heretic_n but_o the_o albigense_n be_v all_o one_o for_o religion_n with_o the_o waldense_n as_o d._n fulke_n say_v in_o these_o word_n lib._n the_o success_n pag._n 332_o that_o epistle_n of_o the_o archbishop_n do_v prove_v that_o the_o albigense_n &_o waldense_n be_v all_o one_o the_o same_o also_o confess_v illyricus_n in_o his_o catalogue_n in_o 4._o to_o pag_n 536._o where_o also_o pag._n 561._o he_o speak_v in_o this_o sort_n the_o waldense_n or_o albigense_n yea_o the_o waldense_n themselves_o in_o the_o bohemian_a confession_n if_o it_o be_v they_o do_v insinuate_v that_o they_o be_v condemn_v of_o the_o sacramentary_n whereas_o they_o say_v in_o the_o 13._o article_n that_o they_o who_o deny_v the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n to_o be_v the_o true_a flesh_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n do_v call_v they_o idolater_n antichrist_n and_o man_n brand_v with_o the_o mark_n of_o the_o beast_n beside_o illyricus_n in_o his_o forecited_a catalogue_n write_v that_o the_o thaborites_n who_o indeed_o say_v he_o follow_v the_o opinion_n of_o the_o waldense_n be_v grievous_o vex_v and_o persecute_v of_o rokesana_n and_o other_o hussite_n wherefore_o sith_o protestant_n common_o challenge_v the_o hussite_n for_o their_o brethren_n they_o ought_v not_o to_o claim_v also_o the_o waldenles_a who_o doctrine_n the_o hussite_n do_v persecute_v certain_o the_o confession_n of_o bohemia_n which_o be_v say_v to_o be_v they_o do_v plain_o distinguish_v they_o from_o protestant_n especial_o from_o sacramentary_n for_o art_n 2._o they_o say_v we_o must_v keep_v the_o commandment_n in_o hart_n &_o deed_n art_n 5._o that_o those_o which_o repent_v must_v confess_v their_o sin_n to_o a_o priest_n and_o ask_v absolution_n of_o he_o art_n 9_o that_o priest_n ought_v to_o be_v single_a art_n 11._o that_o sacrament_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o be_v 13._o that_o the_o eucharist_n be_v the_o true_a body_n of_o christ_n as_o say_v they_o christ_n plain_o say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n of_o which_o word_n we_o ought_v to_o believe_v the_o plain_a sense_n not_o declime_v to_o the_o right_n or_o left_a whereupon_o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n that_o caluin_n in_o his_o 249._o epistle_n deni_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o christian_a man_n to_o embrace_v the_o waldense_n confession_n in_o these_o word_n consider_v you_o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o christian_a man_n 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fasten_v upon_o we_o only_o upon_o malice_n and_o envy_n neither_o be_v we_o call_v lutheran_n but_o of_o the_o papist_n false_a also_o be_v that_o which_o d._n fulke_n say_v the_o success_n pag._n 188._o that_o they_o acknowledge_v no_o other_o name_n proper_a to_o their_o religion_n but_o the_o name_n of_o christian_n and_o catholic_n these_o i_o say_v be_v false_a for_o luther_n who_o d._n whitaker_n account_v his_o father_n and_o the_o lutheran_n who_o he_o term_v his_o brethren_n in_o christ_n do_v call_v themselves_o so_o and_o be_v well_o please_v with_o that_o name_n beside_o they_o be_v so_o term_v of_o the_o sacramentary_n and_o common_a people_n and_o therefore_o not_o of_o papist_n only_o nor_o upon_o malice_n and_o envy_n but_o as_o graver_n say_v true_o for_o distinction_n sake_n and_o that_o most_o just_o for_o as_o s._n athanase_n say_v who_o derive_v the_o origin_n of_o their_o say_v from_o other_o then_o christ_n just_o carry_v the_o surname_n of_o their_o author_n but_o protestant_n as_o we_o have_v show_v confess_v that_o they_o derive_v the_o origin_n of_o their_o faith_n from_o luther_n therefore_o just_o they_o bear_v his_o name_n 8._o out_o of_o all_o which_o have_v be_v rehearse_v in_o this_o chapter_n i_o thus_o frame_v my_o nine_o demonstration_n of_o this_o matter_n if_o luther_n and_o many_o other_o famous_a protestant_n sometime_o indeed_o some_o time_n in_o plain_a word_n do_v confess_v that_o luther_n be_v the_o author_n of_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n he_o ought_v to_o be_v so_o take_v and_o esteem_v but_o they_o do_v so_o confess_v ergo._n the_o minor_n be_v evident_a by_o all_o that_o be_v say_v in_o this_o chapter_n and_o the_o mayor_n by_o what_o we_o say_v in_o the_o preface_n for_o so_o many_o and_o such_o principal_a protestant_n know_v well_o the_o origin_n of_o their_o religion_n and_o willing_o will_v not_o lie_v to_o the_o disgrace_n and_o overthrow_v thereof_o that_o protestant_n can_v prove_v their_o church_n to_o have_v be_v before_o luther_n time_n by_o any_o probable_a argument_n or_o sufficient_a testimony_n chap._n xv._o the_o ten_o and_o last_o demonstration_n for_o to_o prove_v that_o luther_n be_v the_o first_o author_n of_o the_o protestant_n church_n and_o religion_n i_o will_v take_v from_o hence_o that_o albeit_o protestant_n do_v sometime_o bold_o affirm_v their_o church_n and_o religion_n to_o have_v be_v before_o luther_n time_n yet_o they_o can_v never_o prove_v it_o by_o any_o reasonable_a argument_n or_o sufficient_a testimony_n which_o thing_n alone_o will_v suffice_v to_o show_v that_o as_o i_o say_v before_o it_o be_v a_o fable_n vain_o feign_v false_o affirm_v and_o fond_o believe_v it_o have_v be_v always_o the_o fashion_n of_o heretic_n bold_o to_o avouch_v any_o thing_n but_o few_o thing_n to_o prove_v even_o in_o show_n this_o s._n augustin_n do_v often_o observe_v in_o the_o manichee_n and_o donatist_n and_o some_o of_o his_o say_n we_o have_v allege_v before_o of_o eunomius_n s._n eunom_fw-la s._n lib._n 2._o cont_n eunom_fw-la basil_n note_v the_o same_o and_o s._n 118._o s._n serm._n 6._o in_o psal_n 118._o ambrose_n of_o all_o heretic_n say_v heretic_n be_v wolf_n they_o can_v howl_v but_o prove_v nothing_o and_o this_o do_v protestant_n confess_v for_o thus_o d._n whitaker_n count_v 2_o quest_n 5._o cap_n 18_o heretic_n be_v wont_a to_o boast_v and_o promise_v truth_n diatrib_n in_o diatrib_n but_o not_o to_o prove_v it_o of_o luther_n thus_o write_v zuinglius_fw-la tom_n 2._o fol._n 473._o and_o 509_o one_o argument_n he_o have_v in_o all_o these_o matter_n he_o say_v it_o and_o fol._n 447_o luther_n rely_v only_o upon_o his_o ●oyes_n and_o devise_n fol._n 395_o thou_o put_v forth_o whatsoever_o the_o motion_n of_o thy_o affection_n do_v appoint_v and_o when_o a_o reason_n of_o thy_o say_n be_v exact_v of_o thou_o thou_o stand_v naked_a unarm_v and_o of_o the_o lutheran_n thus_o write_v erasmus_n they_o say_v it_o and_o for_o that_o alone_o they_o will_v be_v believe_v of_o the_o sacramentarye_n in_o like_a manner_n luther_n write_v in_o defence_n verb._n coenae_fw-la tom_n 7._o fol._n 384._o one_o word_n not_o easy_o overturn_v all_o these_o thing_n for_o if_o you_o deny_v they_o then_o as_o butter_n melt_v in_o the_o sun_n so_o they_o quail_v and_o the_o same_o be_v evident_a to_o all_o that_o read_v the_o book_n either_o of_o lutheran_n or_o sacramentarye_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n they_o cry_v to_o we_o that_o that_o pythagorical_a word_n he_o say_v it_o have_v no_o other_o place_n but_o in_o 3._o in_o whit_n lib._n 2._o the_o script_n cap._n 10._o sect_n 5._o bullenger_n in_o comp_n l._n 1._o c._n 3._o christ_n and_o the_o scripture_n that_o in_o other_o it_o be_v the_o proper_a argument_n of_o 468._o of_o vorstius_n antibel_n p._n 468._o fool_n that_o to_o affirm_v any_o thing_n beside_o scripture_n be_v to_o 19_o to_o powel_n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr antic_a c._n 19_o trifle_v that_o till_o we_o prove_v our_o affirmative_a they_o will_v stand_v in_o their_o 437._o their_o luth._o tom_n 2._o fol._n 437._o negative_a and_o exact_a 74._o exact_a vorstius_n l._n cit_fw-la fulke_o the_o success_n p._n 74._o demonstration_n that_o be_v either_o express_a testimony_n of_o scripture_n or_o forcible_a reason_n deduce_v from_o thence_o now_o we_o say_v the_o same_o to_o they_o they_o affirm_v their_o church_n to_o have_v be_v before_o luther_n time_n we_o deny_v it_o until_o they_o prove_v it_o neither_o let_v they_o affirm_v it_o only_o which_o be_v the_o proof_n of_o fool_n &_o wilful_a man_n but_o if_o they_o can_v bring_v demonstration_n thereof_o at_o least_o let_v they_o produce_v some_o credible_a testimony_n or_o some_o effectual_a reason_n and_o argument_n otherwise_o their_o belief_n in_o this_o matter_n 11._o scorp_n c._n 11._o be_v as_o say_v tertullian_n a_o perverse_a belief_n which_o will_v not_o believe_v thing_n prove_v and_o believe_v thing_n which_o can_v be_v prove_v 2._o that_o in_o this_o matter_n they_o be_v destitute_a of_o all_o credible_a testimony_n appear_v sufficent_o by_o what_o have_v heretofore_o be_v rehearse_v of_o their_o own_o confession_n and_o now_o we_o will_v show_v that_o they_o want_v also_o all_o probable_a reason_n or_o argument_n for_o all_o their_o argument_n herein_o be_v reduce_v to_o this_o one_o our_o doctrine_n be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n therefore_o our_o church_n be_v always_o since_o christ_n for_o thus_o agree_v d._n whitaker_n count_v 2._o q._n 5._o c._n 3._o p._n 498_o i_o use_v this_o argument_n what_o church_n soever_o keep_v the_o doctrine_n &_o preach_v of_o the_o apostl_n she_o be_v the_o apostolical_a church_n but_o our_o church_n do_v so_o therefore_o etc._n etc._n of_o the_o mayor_n say_v he_o no_o controversy_n can_v be_v make_v and_o cap._n 5._o p._n 505_o it_o be_v our_o church_n which_o be_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o afterward_o unto_o the_o apostasy_n but_o how_o do_v we_o prove_v this_o by_o this_o reason_n that_o our_o church_n keep_v the_o same_o faith_n and_o doctrine_n which_o the_o church_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o afterward_o keep_v and_o count_v dureum_fw-la sect_n 1_o if_o thou_o hold_v christ_n doctrine_n thou_o be_v a_o catholic_a and_o sect_n 2_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n which_o keep_v &_o conserve_v christ_n doctrine_n deliver_v in_o his_o word_n dancus_fw-la cont_n 3._o pag._n 388._o with_o we_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n because_o we_o restore_v the_o true_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n lubbertus_n lib._n 5_o de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 1_o if_o the_o doctrine_n which_o our_o church_n profess_v be_v the_o same_o which_o christ_n deliver_v than_o our_o church_n be_v that_o which_o christ_n institute_v d._n fulke_o lib._n the_o success_n pag._n 27_o see_v we_o be_v
neither_o do_v any_o man_n feel_v or_o perceive_v himself_o to_o have_v be_v a_o member_n of_o such_o a_o church_n before_o that_o time_n wherefore_o as_o he_o shall_v manifest_o play_v the_o sophister_n who_o will_v go_v about_o to_o prove_v by_o scripture_n that_o the_o sun_n appear_v at_o midnight_n so_o likewise_o do_v he_o who_o out_o of_o scripture_n endevore_v to_o prove_v that_o there_o be_v a_o protestant_n church_n before_o luther_n because_o all_o man_n sense_n convince_v the_o one_o as_o well_o as_o the_o other_o beside_o protestant_n write_v that_o though_o faith_n command_v we_o to_o believe_v thing_n which_o we_o see_v not_o yet_o it_o do_v not_o command_v we_o not_o to_o believe_v that_o which_o we_o see_v for_o otherwise_o faith_n shall_v be_v contrary_a to_o sense_n and_o none_o shall_v become_v faithful_a but_o he_o shall_v first_o be_v senseless_a but_o sure_o wonderful_a be_v the_o blindness_n or_o wilfulness_n of_o sacramentary_n who_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o eucharist_n against_o the_o most_o express_a word_n of_o scripture_n will_v endeavour_n to_o prove_v by_o sense_n that_o there_o be_v not_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n when_o as_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n there_o be_v not_o sensible_a and_o here_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o existence_n of_o their_o church_n before_o luther_n out_o of_o some_o apparent_a show_n of_o scripture_n against_o the_o most_o manifest_a sense_n of_o all_o man_n will_v prove_v that_o it_o be_v before_o luther_n time_n when_o as_o a_o church_n be_v a_o sensible_a thing_n and_o can_v be_v feel_v either_o of_o other_o or_o at_o least_o of_o they_o who_o be_v of_o it_o how_o much_o better_a and_o more_o reasonable_o shall_v they_o proceed_v if_o in_o the_o eucharist_n where_o christ_n body_n be_v not_o sensible_a they_o will_v rather_o give_v ear_n to_o the_o most_o express_a word_n of_o scripture_n then_o to_o the_o suspicion_n of_o their_o sense_n which_o can_v judge_v of_o nothing_o but_o of_o sensible_a 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to_o prefer_v before_o this_o most_o ancient_a most_o glorious_a church_n another_o new_o start_v up_o many_o age_n lurk_v know_v to_o none_o not_o to_o her_o own_o and_o destitute_a of_o pastor_n flock_n seat_n and_o appearance_n and_o in_o truth_n feign_v and_o devise_v and_o to_o omit_v all_o other_o proof_n wound_v deadly_a with_o so_o many_o confession_n of_o her_o own_o champion_n and_o prove_v by_o one_o only_a vain_a fallacy_n what_o other_o thing_n be_v it_o then_o to_o prefer_v lie_n before_o truth_n darkness_n before_o light_n death_n before_o life_n the_o synagogue_n of_o satan_n before_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o final_o wilful_o to_o cast_v himself_o headlong_o into_o hell_n what_o he_o must_v observe_v who_o will_v answer_v the_o foresay_a demonstration_n chap._n xvi_o see_v i_o have_v yield_v so_o much_o to_o protestant_n &_o condescend_v to_o so_o unequal_a condition_n as_o that_o i_o have_v undertake_v to_o prove_v that_o luther_n be_v the_o author_n of_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n by_o the_o only_a confession_n of_o luther_n and_o other_o protestant_n it_o be_v reason_n that_o if_o any_o one_o of_o they_o go_v about_o to_o answer_n my_o foresay_a demonstration_n he_o hold_v observe_v these_o most_o just_a law_n which_o i_o will_v here_o set_v down_o and_o which_o themselves_o have_v prescribe_v to_o other_o 2._o 643._o see_v jewel_n defence_n apol_n par_fw-fr 2._o c._n d._n 5._o kemnice_n exam._n tit_n de_fw-fr script_n epist_n monit_fw-la p._n 145._o calu._n count_v seruet_fw-la p._n 643._o first_o therefore_o touch_v the_o word_n of_o protestant_n which_o i_o have_v allege_v let_v he_o either_o confess_v that_o they_o be_v true_o cite_v by_o i_o or_o if_o he_o deny_v that_o let_v he_o not_o say_v it_o only_o but_o let_v he_o show_v that_o they_o be_v suppose_v falsify_v or_o so_o change_v as_o that_o the_o sense_n which_o i_o
liar_n they_o gainesayd_a themselves_o may_v a_o man_n accuse_v of_o crime_n expound_v figurative_o his_o open_a confession_n of_o that_o crime_n because_o at_o other_o time_n he_o deny_v it_o again_o protestant_n themselves_n reject_v this_o kind_n of_o proof_n for_o as_o we_o do_v see_v the_o minister_n of_o the_o prince_n electour_n do_v reprehend_v those_o of_o the_o duke_n of_o saxony_n because_o they_o avoid_v luther_n testimony_n by_o oppose_v other_o place_n of_o he_o and_o the_o minister_n of_o saxony_n pag._n 303._o say_v it_o be_v a_o frivolous_a kind_n of_o argument_n he_o say_v well_o sometime_o therefore_o here_o beside_o it_o will_v be_v as_o equal_v for_o i_o to_o infer_v that_o protestant_n in_o those_o testimony_n which_o he_o produce_v do_v speak_v figurative_o because_o in_o those_o which_o i_o allege_v they_o manifest_o say_v the_o contrary_n for_o to_o use_v luther_n word_n 220._o tom._n 2._o fol._n 220._o by_o this_o rashness_n and_o licence_n you_o give_v your_o adversary_n leave_v to_o turn_v it_o against_o you_o certain_o if_o they_o clear_o have_v say_v both_o we_o can_v deny_v but_o they_o think_v both_o or_o you_o must_v confess_v that_o your_o pleasure_n shall_v be_v the_o rule_n and_o square_a to_o know_v what_o they_o speak_v proper_o &_o what_o figurative_o moreover_o protestant_n cry_v that_o the_o holy_a father_n contradict_v themselves_o how_o often_o say_v luther_n do_v the_o father_n fight_n with_o themselves_o institut_fw-la tom._n 2._o assert_v art_n 2._o &_o count_v cochleum_n praefat._n institut_fw-la they_o be_v man_n that_o fight_v against_o themselves_o we_o find_v the_o father_n to_o have_v teach_v contraries_n to_o have_v slumber_v and_o caluin_n the_o father_n do_v often_o skirmish_v among_o themselves_o and_o sometime_o fight_v with_o themselves_o the_o like_a say_v melancthon_n come_v 1._o lutheri_fw-la fol._n 341._o jacobus_n andreae_n cont_n hosium_n pag._n 282._o beza_n praefat._n in_o nowm_fw-la testamentum_fw-la and_o in_o schusselburg_n lib._n 4._o theol._n caluin_n art_n 32_o pareus_n lib._n 2_o de_fw-fr grat._n &_o lib._n arbit_n cap._n 14._o &_o lib._n 4._o cap._n 4._o polanus_fw-la part_n 1._o thes_n de_fw-fr notis_n eccles_n apologia_fw-la anglica_n and_o d._n whitaker_n lib._n 5._o cont_n dureum_fw-la wherefore_o either_o they_o must_v show_v some_o privilege_n whereby_o protestant_n be_v more_o except_v from_o contradict_v themselves_o than_o the_o holy_a father_n in_o their_o opinion_n be_v or_o they_o must_v not_o infer_v that_o they_o say_v not_o that_o which_o they_o do_v in_o place_n by_o i_o allege_v because_o other_o where_o they_o say_v the_o contrary_n furthermore_o 460._o hosp_n to_o 2._o foe_n 12._o beza_n in_o conspicil_n zue_v to_o 2._o fol._n 412._o 458._o 460._o because_o both_o the_o father_n and_o protestant_n also_o as_o i_o show_v in_o the_o preface_n do_v teach_v that_o heretic_n be_v wont_a to_o contradict_v themselves_o and_o the_o sacramentary_n both_o say_v and_o show_v by_o many_o example_n that_o luther_n oftentimes_o have_v gainsayd_v himself_o and_o of_o sacramentary_n schusselburg_n lib._n 1._o theol._n caluin_n art_n 20._o write_v that_o it_o be_v their_o property_n to_o contradict_v themselves_o 7._o last_o touch_v the_o weight_n of_o the_o protestant_a confession_n which_o we_o produce_v let_v he_o not_o think_v that_o it_o be_v any_o way_n impair_v in_o that_o they_o have_v at_o other_o time_n say_v the_o contrary_a as_o if_o in_o this_o matter_n they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v believe_v because_o they_o have_v be_v take_v in_o two_o tale_n for_o the_o confession_n of_o those_o that_o be_v accuse_v be_v of_o great_a force_n against_o themselves_o because_o as_o i_o say_v no_o man_n willing_o lie_v against_o himself_o neither_o can_v these_o be_v discredit_v by_o any_o word_n of_o they_o speak_v in_o their_o own_o behalf_n for_o what_o will_v it_o avayle_v a_o criminal_a person_n if_o he_o deny_v a_o hundred_o time_n the_o crime_n which_o he_o once_o open_o confess_v and_o protestant_n have_v not_o once_o but_o oftentym_n most_o plain_o most_o open_o most_o free_o confess_v those_o thing_n which_o i_o allege_v again_o though_o no_o credit_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o a_o liar_n who_o gainsayth_v himself_o in_o matter_n for_o his_o own_o behalf_n or_o against_o any_o other_o nevertheless_o in_o a_o matter_n against_o himself_o the_o great_a yea_o even_o the_o devil_n open_a &_o free_a confession_n aught_o more_o to_o be_v credit_v then_o any_o other_o man_n testimony_n whatsoever_o wherefore_o we_o allege_v protestant_n say_n not_o as_o testimony_n but_o as_o confession_n neither_o produce_v they_o as_o witness_n but_o as_o criminel_n confess_v the_o truth_n against_o themselves_o and_o as_o saint_n ambrose_n say_v ●●uctis_fw-la serm._n 5._o de_fw-fr ●●uctis_fw-la i_o admit_v not_o the_o devil_n testimony_n but_o his_o confession_n so_o i_o accept_v not_o the_o protestant_n testimony_n but_o their_o confession_n let_v their_o testimony_n be_v of_o no_o credit_n either_o for_o themselves_o or_o for_o other_o or_o against_o other_o undoubted_o it_o be_v of_o great_a force_n against_o themselves_o as_o the_o latin_a orator_n say_v thy_o testimony_n which_o in_o another_o man_n matter_n will_v be_v light_n be_v in_o thy_o own_o matter_n because_o it_o be_v against_o thg_a self_n most_o weighty_a beside_o protestant_n cric_n that_o it_o be_v find_v to_o produce_v the_o criminel_n as_o witness_n in_o their_o own_o cause_n and_o that_o any_o witness_n in_o his_o own_o cause_n be_v to_o be_v reject_v 2._o vorstius_n antibel_n pag._n 44●_n 456._o ju●●_n def._n part_n 2._o c._n 3._o d._n 5._o whitak_n count_v 4._o q._n 6._o c._n 2._o &_o q._n 4._o c._n 2._o whereupon_o in_o the_o question_n of_o supremacy_n they_o refuse_v the_o testimony_n of_o all_o pope_n though_o never_o so_o ancient_a never_o so_o learned_a never_o so_o holy_a how_o much_o better_a may_v we_o reject_v the_o testimony_n of_o protestant_n when_o they_o speak_v in_o behalf_n of_o their_o religion_n and_o yet_o admit_v their_o confession_n when_o they_o speak_v against_o it_o these_o therefore_o law_n of_o answer_v so_o just_a so_o equal_a and_o approve_v of_o the_o protestant_n themselves_o if_o he_o will_v not_o keep_v who_o go_v about_o to_o answer_n my_o foresay_a argument_n it_o will_v easy_o appear_v that_o in_o very_a deed_n he_o can_v not_o answer_v they_o and_o if_o none_o endeavour_v to_o answer_n they_o it_o will_v yet_o more_o appear_v that_o they_o can_v no_o way_n answeate_v they_o &_o that_o this_o kind_n of_o deal_n with_o protestant_n out_o of_o their_o own_o confession_n be_v the_o fit_a of_o all_o to_o stop_v their_o mouth_n finis_fw-la the_o translator_n to_o the_o reader_n the_o author_n adjoin_v hereto_o a_o catalogue_n of_o the_o protestant_a book_n with_o their_o several_a impression_n out_o of_o which_o he_o gather_v the_o testimony_n by_o he_o allege_v but_o because_o i_o think_v it_o not_o needful_a for_o those_o that_o read_v this_o english_a copy_n i_o have_v omit_v it_o the_o reader_n if_o he_o please_v may_v see_v it_o in_o the_o author_n latin_a copy_n the_o index_n or_o table_n of_o the_o chapter_n contain_v in_o these_o book_n the_o first_o book_n of_o the_o essence_n or_o substance_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n and_o religion_n chapter_n 1._o that_o sometime_o protestant_n admit_v very_o few_o into_o the_o ch●rch_n and_o ●equire_v very_o many_o thing_n to_o the_o make_n of_o a_o member_n thereof_o chap._n 2._o that_o at_o sometime_o protestant's_n account_v papists_n to_o be_v of_o the_o church_n chap._n 3._o th●t_v sometime_o protestant_n acknowledge_v all_o that_o deny_v either_o fundamental_a or_o other_o article_n of_o faith_n heretic_n schismatic_n and_o their_o profess_a enemy_n to_o be_v member_n of_o their_o church_n chap._n 4._o that_o sometime_o they_o do_v grant_v idolater_n infidel_n atheist_n and_o antichrist_n himself_o to_o be_v member_n of_o their_o church_n chap._n 5._o that_o protestant_n sometime_o account_v all_o their_o brethren_n who_o under_o the_o name_n of_o christian_n oppose_v themselves_o against_o the_o pope_n chap._n 6._o that_o it_o be_v necessary_o require_v to_o a_o protestant_n that_o he_o believe_v justification_n by_o only_a special_a faith_n chap._n 7._o that_o it_o be_v also_o necessary_a to_o a_o protestant_n to_o believe_v all_o the_o fundamental_a point_n of_o protestancy_n chap._n 8._o which_o be_v the_o fundamental_a point_n of_o protestancy_n and_o what_o a_o protsteant_n be_v the_o second_o book_n of_o the_o author_n or_o beginner_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n and_o religion_n chap._n 1._o that_o protestant_n confess_v that_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n be_v substantial_o perish_v when_o luther_n begin_v chap._n 2._o the_o shift_n wherewith_o protestant_n will_v delude_v their_o confession_n of_o the_o substantial_a destruction_n of_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n refute_v chap._n 3._o that_o protestant_n confess_v that_o all_o and_o every_o one_o follow_v a_o different_a church_n and_o religion_n from_o ●_z before_o luther_n begin_v to_o preach_v chap._n 4._o that_o protestant_n grant_v that_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n be_v quite_o invisible_a b_o before_o luther_n appear_v chap._n 5._o those_o which_o say_v there_o be_v any_o visible_a protestant_n before_o luther_n refell_v chap._n 6_o that_o the_o church_n can_v be_v so_o invisible_a as_o protestant_n confess_v they_o to_o have_v be_v before_o lut_n e_o s_o tyme._n chap._n 7._o that_o protestant_n acknowledge_v that_o there_o be_v no_o protestant_a pastor_n before_o luther_n chap._n 8._o that_o the_o church_n can_v be_v without_o pastor_n chap_n 9_o that_o the_o protestant_a church_n be_v no_o where_n before_o luther_n arise_v chap._n 10._o the_o sophistries_n wherewith_o some_o protestant_n will_v seem_v to_o prove_v that_o in_o time_n past_o the_o protestant_n church_n be_v in_o popery_n refute_v chap._n 11._o that_o all_o the_o first_o know_v protestant_n have_v be_v papist_n before_o time_n chap._n 12._o that_o no_o auncient_a protestant_a then_o luther_n step_v forth_o and_o adjoin_v himself_o to_o luther_n company_n when_o he_o preach_v secure_o chap._n 13._o that_o the_o protestant_a church_n &_o religion_n be_v new_a chap._n 14._o that_o protestant_n do_v in_o plain_a term_n confess_v that_o luther_n be_v the_o author_n and_o beginner_n of_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n chap._n 15._o that_o protestant_n can_v prove_v by_o any_o sufficient_a witness_n or_o any_o probable_a argument_n that_o their_o church_n be_v before_o luther_n chap._n 16._o what_o he_o must_v observe_v who_o will_v undertake_v to_o answer_n this_o worke._n finis_fw-la
the_o waldense_n and_o therefore_o the_o bohemian_a confession_n be_v not_o the_o waldense_n confession_n nor_o albeit_o therein_o be_v mention_n of_o justification_n by_o only_a faith_n can_v it_o be_v infer_v that_o therefore_o the_o waldense_n do_v believe_v it_o final_o as_o i_o have_v often_o say_v and_o it_o must_v be_v always_o inculcate_v i_o regard_v not_o who_o any_o one_o say_v to_o have_v be_v protestant_n but_o who_o he_o prove_v to_o have_v be_v such_o neither_o who_o he_o can_v prove_v to_o have_v be_v protestant_n in_o part_n and_o in_o some_o sort_n but_o who_o he_o can_v prove_v to_o have_v be_v absolute_o and_o whole_o protestant_n at_o least_o for_o the_o substance_n of_o protestancy_n neither_o will_v it_o avail_v any_o whit_n to_o complain_v that_o we_o have_v burn_v the_o writing_n of_o the_o waldense_n by_o which_o they_o may_v prove_v that_o they_o be_v true_a protestant_n for_o if_o they_o have_v nor_o wherewithal_o to_o prove_v they_o be_v true_a protestant_n they_o in_o vain_a do_v feign_v it_o beside_o we_o ask_v of_o luther_n &_o his_o follower_n to_o produce_v one_o man_n waldensian_n or_o other_o who_o have_v be_v a_o true_a protestant_n before_o luther_n preach_v for_o which_o end_n there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o writing_n but_o of_o live_a man_n protestant_n wiclif_n be_v no_o true_a protestant_n 6._o in_o like_a sort_n i_o prove_v that_o wicliffe_n and_o his_o follower_n be_v not_o true_a and_o absolute_a protestant_n first_o because_o the_o wiclifist_n be_v by_o name_n condemn_v together_o with_o other_o heretic_n of_o protestant_n in_o their_o apology_n of_o the_o confession_n of_o auspurg_n chap._n of_o the_o church_n in_o these_o word_n we_o have_v plain_o enough_o say_v in_o our_o confession_n that_o we_o disallow_v the_o donatist_n and_o wiclifist_n second_o because_o neither_o in_o wiclif_n book_n nor_o of_o any_o of_o his_o scholar_n be_v there_o any_o sign_n of_o sole_a justify_n faith_n neither_o do_v ever_o any_o catholic_a writer_n contend_v with_o they_o there_o about_o three_o because_o as_o melancthon_n write_v in_o his_o epistle_n to_o myconius_n in_o his_o 1._o tom_fw-mi print_a at_o bustle_n pag._n 416_o wiclif_n neither_o understand_v nor_o hold_v the_o justice_n of_o faith_n yea_o husse_v his_o principal_a follower_n as_o we_o shall_v anon_o rehearse_v believe_v that_o work_n do_v justify_v and_o wiclif_n himself_o in_o thomas_n walden_n tom_n 3._o tit_n 1._o cap._n 7._o bid_v every_o one_o hope_n in_o the_o proper_a justice_n of_o his_o life_n and_o man_n to_o trust_v in_o their_o merit_n which_o thing_n alone_o do_v separate_v he_o far_o enough_o from_o the_o protestant_n camp_n four_o because_o the_o wiclifist_n be_v reckon_v among_o heretic_n of_o many_o protestant_n as_o of_o schusselburg_n tom_n 3._o catal_a pag._n 190._o of_o kemnice_n in_o fundament_n be_v coenae_fw-la pag._n 114._o of_o pantalcon_n in_o his_o chronicle_n and_o of_o mathias_n hoe_n disput_fw-la 27._o they_o be_v term_v most_o monstrous_a monster_n and_o d._n cay_n in_o his_o 2._o book_n of_o the_o antiquity_n of_o cambridge_n object_v wicliffe_n to_o the_o oxford_n man_n as_o a_o slay_v of_o their_o university_n five_o wiclif_n teach_v diverse_a thing_n which_o protestant_n dislike_v and_o to_o omit_v these_o thing_n which_o catholic_n object_v unto_o he_o lectionum_fw-la canisius_n to_o 3_o antiq_n lectionum_fw-la rokesana_n prince_n of_o the_o hussite_n in_o his_o dispute_n with_o catholics_n before_o the_o king_n of_o bohemia_n have_v these_o word_n these_o be_v the_o article_n of_o wiclif_n that_o tithe_n be_v mere_a alm_n that_o the_o clergy_n ought_v to_o have_v no_o civil_a government_n if_o a_o king_n be_v in_o mortal_a sin_n that_o he_o be_v no_o more_o a_o king_n which_o last_o article_n osiander_n in_o his_o 15._o century_n repeat_v thus_o there_o be_v no_o temporal_a lord_n no_o prelate_n no_o bishop_n while_o he_o be_v in_o mortal_a sin_n and_o melancthon_n in_o his_o foresay_a epistle_n wiclif_n do_v plain_o sophistical_o and_o seditious_o wrangle_v upon_o civil_a dominion_n and_o in_o his_o dispute_n of_o the_o right_n of_o magistrate_n wiclif_n be_v mad_a who_o think_v the_o wicked_a to_o have_v no_o dominion_n and_o in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o aristotle_n politic_n wiclif_n will_v have_v those_o who_o have_v not_o the_o holy_a ghost_n to_o loose_v their_o dominion_n so_o that_o i_o marvel_v how_o d._n andrews_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o apology_n of_o bellarmine_n can_v say_v that_o it_o be_v a_o slander_v that_o wiclif_n teach_v so_o when_o as_o not_o only_a catholik_o but_o even_o hussite_n and_o protestant_n do_v affirm_v it_o moreover_o wiclif_n as_o osiander_n report_v in_o the_o place_n aforecited_a do_v condemn_v lawful_a oath_n and_o teach_v that_o all_o thing_n fall_v out_o according_a to_o absolute_a necessity_n and_o melancthon_n in_o his_o say_a epistle_n give_v this_o sentence_n of_o he_o i_o have_v look_v into_o wiclif_n but_o i_o have_v find_v in_o he_o many_o other_o error_n faith_n wiclife_o hold_v not_o justice_n of_o sole_a faith_n by_o which_o one_o may_v judge_v of_o his_o spirit_n he_o at_o all_o understand_v not_o nor_o hold_v the_o justice_n of_o say_v he_o fond_o confound_v the_o gospel_n and_o politic_a affair_n will_v have_v priest_n to_o have_v nothing_o proper_a etc._n etc._n and_o in_o his_o common_a place_n chap._n of_o ecclesiastical_a power_n that_o superstition_n of_o wiclif_n be_v pernicious_a and_o seditious_a which_o drive_v the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n to_o beggary_n and_o deny_v that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o they_o to_o hold_v any_o thing_n proper_a m._n stow_n also_o in_o his_o chronicle_n anno_fw-la 1376._o write_v that_o he_o teach_v that_o neither_o king_n nor_o lay_v man_n can_v give_v any_o thing_n to_o the_o church_n for_o perpetuity_n final_o vadianus_n in_o his_o fi●t_z book_n of_o the_o eucharist_n pag._n 168._o confess_v that_o in_o many_o thing_n he_o foul_o err_v protestant_n hussite_n no_o protestant_n 7._o husse_v likewise_o and_o his_o partner_n we_o prove_v not_o to_o have_v be_v true_a and_o absolute_a protestant_n first_o because_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v that_o they_o hold_v the_o foresay_a article_n of_o justification_n by_o only_a faith_n and_o the_o other_o fundamental_a point_n of_o protestancy_n second_o because_o husse_v be_v by_o name_n reject_v of_o luther_n who_o in_o the_o defence_n of_o his_o 30._o article_n tom_n 2._o thus_o write_v of_o he_o he_o agree_v not_o with_o i_o he_o give_v not_o a_o little_a to_o the_o idol_n of_o rome_n he_o seem_v not_o to_o repugn_v against_o the_o pope_n monarchy_n and_o upon_o the_o 2._o psal_n tom_fw-mi 3._o fol_z 395_o husse_n do_v not_o condemn_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o mass_n as_o we_o do_v and_o upon_o the_o 9_o chapter_n of_o isaias_n tom_n 4._o fol._n 108._o he_o say_v that_o husse_v hold_v a_o doctrine_n most_o pestilent_a most_o pernicious_a horrible_a and_o whole_o impious_a yea_o very_a devilish_a and_o in_o his_o lypsicall_a dispute_n tom_n 1._o fol._n 260_o i_o know_v and_o that_o very_a well_o that_o a_o evil_a prelate_n be_v not_o to_o be_v reject_v and_o therefore_o i_o damn_v the_o article_n of_o husse_n and_o both_o there_o and_o other_o where_o 251._o tom._n 1._o foe_n 30._o 291._o 292._o 251._o oftentimes_o deni_v himself_o to_o be_v a_o bohemian_a by_o which_o he_o mean_v a_o hussite_n and_o in_o his_o table-talkes_a chapter_n of_o s●ermers_n say_v husse_v believe_v that_o work_n with_o faith_n do_v justify_v which_o point_n alone_o exclude_v he_o from_o the_o number_n of_o protestant_n faith_n husse_o believe_v not_o sole_a faith_n and_o in_o the_o chapter_n of_o antichrist_n husse_n depart_v not_o one_o jot_n from_o the_o papist_n but_o only_o reprove_v vice_n and_o naughty_a life_n which_o also_o affirm_v hierome_n of_o prage_n husse_v his_o fellow_n in_o m._n fox_n upon_o the_o 11._o chapter_n of_o the_o apocal._n where_o also_o m._n fox_n himself_o write_v that_o husse_v agree_v with_o the_o papist_n touch_v transubstantiation_n mass_n vow_n predestination_n free_a will_n form_v faith_n cause_n of_o justification_n and_o merit_n of_o work_n which_o plain_o declare_v how_o little_o he_o hold_v of_o protestancy_n last_o when_o bellarmine_n write_v that_o there_o be_v not_o in_o the_o world_n when_o luther_n begin_v any_o religion_n but_o paganism_n judaisme_n mahometisme_n grecisme_n nestorianisme_n hussite_n heresy_n and_o the_o roman_a faith_n d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 3._o pag._n 502._o deny_v these_o to_o have_v be_v all_o for_o say_v he_o our_o church_n be_v then_o in_o which_o word_n he_o profess_v the_o protestant_n to_o be_v a_o different_a church_n from_o the_o hussite_n junius_n also_o lib._n 4._o de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 6._o acknowledge_v that_o some_o protestant_n deny_v hussite_n to_o be_v of_o their_o church_n and_o luther_n upon_o the_o 53._o